Ben: Hey, what's up? Holo everyone and welcome back to another episode of Simply Podlogical a Simply Nailogical podcast Cristine: A cat's podcast
Ben: The whole family is here today Cristine: They just couldn't help themselves Ben: So Cristine, last week we talked about your business, Holo Taco and it reminded people that you are a YouTuber, a crime statistics analyst for the Canadian government and you also run a nail polish line Cristine: And I'm a podcaster
Ben: Yeah okay not to rub it in But whenever we talk this talk about the fact that you do all these things we always get these comments about like uh we don't know how you do it like that's crazy, you're crazy Cristine: You're a psycho, yes i've heard that Ben: And that's what we're gonna find out today! Today we're gonna take a test to find out if we or you are a psychopath
Cristine: Thank you, everyone for your confidence in my abilities Ben: I mean this is just kind of a cheeky thing we're doing this for fun but there's actually research that shows that really successful people or like ceo ceos of uh multinational very valuable companies have it, are more likely to have psychopathic tendencies than the general population or their reference group for example Cristine: And i guess the reason why that is is because they can take emotion out of the equation when it comes to business decisions so there may be a little cutthroat a little shark tank Ben: MmHmm and we've talked about like when we've done personality tests in the past i think it's pretty it's been pretty well established that Cristine's very much a problem solver a rational person and not overly emotional if someone has a problem she's telling them how to fix it not just empathizing with them and one of like the sort of major traits these tests are self-reporting tools for psychopathy and sociopath tests a lot of it is just about your ability to empathize with other people Cristine: Or not empathize
Ben: Or to yeah, it's a measure of the degree to which you are not an empathetic person
Cristine: Yeah and we will just say that obviously we are not medical practitioners or anything of the kind of that sort and psychopathy is not even a medical disorder recognized by the dsm. It's a trait that is i guess um characterize alongside some other traits of recognized like personality disorders
Ben: Yeah i think my understanding is even like the distinction between sociopath and psychopath it's kind of blurred in the literature and like you just mentioned these aren't really diagnoses people even really use in a serious way for the most part
Cristine: No it's like even like oh you're a psychopath is something that i heard you know in csi shows from 10 years ago when they talk about serial killers Ben: Exactly people immediately just think of serial killers things like that so yeah we don't want to make light of a topic related to mental health we're not going to be playing uh scary music and speculating about who may or may not be a sociopath or psychopath but we thought if we're just using this tool on ourselves it's just some uh just for fun or education
Cristine: Just some light-hearted fresh conversation so we found this tool it's called the levinson self-report psychopathy scale a test of sociopathy so even this one is sort of blurring the distinction
Cristine: So, yes the psychopathy scale comma a test of sociopathy
Ben: Yeah and most of these tests and i think even our memory from briefly learning about this in criminology, a lot of these tools are more diagnostic tools like if you're actually determining trying to determine whether someone is a sociopath or not it's not like fill in this questionnaire Cristine: No, it's a checklist usually that the clinician uses to assess their client like the the pclr 20 or something
Ben: yeah yeah, I remember that
Cristine: That's what i think that's what's in my head from like eight years ago from psych class
Ben: I think it was a Canadian one but uh..
Cristine: Oh maybe Ben: uh no no i think it was well known but here's one of the few ones we found that is for someone to just fill out themselves and it plots you on a scale so uh here is the introduction psychopathy is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of empathy for others uh this one was developed in 1995 for use in psychological research it measures on two scales primary psychopathy, so psychopathic emotional affect and secondary psychopathy for psychopathic lifestyle Do you have a psychopathic today lifestyle? Click to find out!
Cristine: We'll find out today, on this episode of Simply Podlogical Ben: So the test consists of 26 statements that could possibly apply to you. You must rate each one on how much you agree with it on a scale of strongly disagree, disagree, neither agree nor disagree agree, or strongly agree Most people will complete the test in five minutes or so
Cristine: Not us
Ben: It'll probably take us an hour This test is offered only for educational use it is not a diagnostic tool or psychological advice of any kind Additionally survey responses on this implementation may be recorded for research purposes
Cristine: And i just want to underscore that this test, we'll leave the link below just for fun, not that we actually endorse it or any other test you take on the internet should not be used as anything of value to diagnose yourself with anything obviously please talk to a real clinician uh if that's a concern of yours, i like do not i don't put much weight in these things is what i'm saying
Ben: Well yeah okay there's our disclaimer and we found this on openpsychometrics.org we'll leave the link down below and uh i would also just add to that disclaimer like tests like this are often being done by researchers at universities
Cristine: who are collecting data
Ben: who are collecting data to like to learn more about a topic so also i would encourage people not to just do these tests frivolously and answer without actually taking it seriously because it can actually throw off...
Cristine: I'm sure they control for that Ben: Ohh yeah well of course. They look for people who just click the first answer and everything Cristine: And probably eliminate them Ben: Remember like when we in in first year crim we would have had to take a few psych courses Cristine: Yeah
Ben: And i thought i remember part of one of them encouraged you i don't think they made you participate in some like grad student and psychology sort of research work so you we would participate in something and you'd have to like sign your informed consent and you can't really know what the experiment's about while it's going on because that could bias it but they need to like follow this procedure of making sure you actually consent to your involvement
Cristine: Yeah i think you could get i don't know if it was extra credit or extra marks just for participating in that kind of stuff i can't remember. I did one once for my honors paper in undergrad like i ran it and then my survey was distributed to first year psych classes Ben: Oh wow
Cristine: Yeah
Ben: Look at you
Cristine: It was fun Good times. This format like reminds me of doing a test for university just like the times new roman the bolded headers
Ben: Yeah we're about to...
Cristine: It's making me nervous Ben: do an exam All right let's start
Cristine: I'm scared, I didn't study for this one man Ben: You've been studying your whole life All right so we're both going to do it so first statement success is based on survival of the fittest and i'm not concerned about the losers Cristine: This sounds like someone who's been on tv lately um okay so it's from disagreed to agree and neutrals in the middle
Ben: I mean what if i agree that success is very much based off survival of the fittest but i am concerned about the losers Cristine: Yeah i don't know if we're supposed to spend, this is like the political...
Ben: Please don't do this again where you wanted to talk about like each one for five minutes
Cristine: Okay so i'm gonna put neutral because
Ben: You're neutral?
Cristine: I can make an argument either way Ben: Well oh
Cristine: about either part of the sentence, let me clarify
Ben: Actually before we continue Cristine: What?
Ben: We're both doing this
Cristine: What Ben? Ben: Who do you..
Cristine: Who's gonna bias each other?
Ben: I don't think it's gonna like the result's just gonna put us on a scale it's not gonna say you are a psychopath or not
Cristine: But it can tell us who is more of a psychopath Ben: But it is.. yeah. Do you have any predictions now? Cristine: I think that you think it's gonna be me and..
Ben: I can speak for myself Cristine: and that's the real tea, we don't even need to do this just Ben: Okay there we go uh whoever's more psychopathic is cooking dinner tonight, how about that? Cristine: um you want holo chocolate?
Ben: I slightly disagree with this because i am concerned about the losers
Cristine: Well so am i Ben: Well you're neutral on it so you just don't care about the losers
Cristine No, I said i guess but i'm neutral on the question Ben: All right next statement uh i find myself in the same kinds of trouble time after time Cristine: I completely disagree
Ben: I'm going to slightly agree with this Cristine: What trouble are you getting in?
Ben: Well i just think people are very much creatures of habit and as much as we try to grow and develop we often find our character flaws continue to express themselves in your life repeatedly
Cristine: Like what? Your hummus addiction?
Ben: My addiction to hummus Okay you strongly disagree?
Cristine: But like if it's trouble change it. Do you know what i mean? Ben: Yeah i understand, problem solver
Cristine: That's why i disagree Ben: Third statement for me what's right is whatever i can get away with Cristine: Jesus Christ. This is this question is so like who answers this honestly first of all? Ben: We're answering honestly
Cristine: I know but this is not a well-written question to get past social desirability is what i'm saying like it's not a good question Ben: I'm gonna slightly agree because i don't believe in an objective uh morality as much as i agree we should live our lives as if there is that Cristine: What? it sound like you just explained how to imprint chocolate with holo. Okay i'm gonna completely completely disagree
Ben: Okay I am often bored. Cristine are you ever bored?
Cristine: Completely disagree Always quick quick let's do this test, we got something else to do Ben: uh yeah i'm gonna disagree as well just not as strongly
Cristine: What? What are you bored doing?
Ben: I feel boredom at times
Cristine: oh i got things for you to do Ben: I bet you do uh i like being but i think it's important not to do stuff all the time so i'm not even saying boring is a bad thing
Cristine: Sounds boring to me Ben: In today's world i feel justified in doing anything i can i can get away with to succeed
Cristine: It's the same thing as question number three Ben: Well yeah we know how these tests work a lot of them are just a reification of one kind of concept they're getting at Cristine: I know i'm just pointing it out because i'm a smart ass
Ben: Thank you Cristine Cristine: Things i learned in first year university Ben: uh i disagree with this
Cristine: I completely disagree Ben: Cristine completely disagrees
Cristine: Why aren't you taking hard stances here, Ben? Ben: Because i see a lot of gray. I don't see the world in black and white like you Cristine: What?
Ben: I find that i am able to pursue one goal for a long time What do you think, Cristine?
Cristine: Uh almost fully agree Ben: Yeah, yeah. I i think i agree with that too uh my main purpose in life is getting as many goodies as i can Cristine: As many nail polishes as i can Ben: Yeah, are you agreeing with this? I mean there's...
Cristine: I mean it's not the main purpose in life but it's a fun one Ben: I don't know what the i've i don't i'm gonna be neutral on this because it just
Cristine: Yeah Ben: I don't really think there is a purpose to life, it's the purpose is... Cristine: I'm sorry, what?
Ben: The purpose...
Cristine: There's no purpose to life? Ben: The purpose to life isn't some external thing abstract thing just hanging in the air it is whatever you determine it to be for you whatever meaning you you give yourself so i'm neutral on the question Cristine: I'm gonna disagree minus one because that's not my main purpose is to get as many goodies it's basically like saying how much money i have is another synonym there
Ben: I mean my main purpose is if i had to pick is to just eat as much hummus as i can so
Cristine: Okay Ben: Next one i don't plan anything very far in advance Cristine: Disagree
Ben: Alright
Cristine: Always plan Ben: Strong disagree or?
Cristine: Strong.
Ben: Strong disagree i'm gonna strong disagree as well, i like planning things i like planning things more than doing them in some cases
Cristine: Yeah like vacations Ben: Yeah planning a vacation is kind of like just as fun as actually going on vacation uh making a lot of money is my most important goal
Cristine: Sounds like a YouTuber. It is December ad revenue after all Ben: I'm gonna like slightly disagree but it is important Cristine: Yeah i'll pick the same
Ben: You're copying my homework
Cristine: Yeah Ben: uh i quickly lose interest in tasks i start Cristine: I mean if you were gonna lose interest in it because you don't like it Ben: I've kind of lost interest in this test Cristine: Ben! No i always like to see things through but i pick tasks i know i want to do so i also wouldn't pick something to do if i knew i didn't want to see it ithrough
Ben:, I'm pretty neutral, you disagree Cristine: Yeah
Ben: Uh i let others worry about higher values my main concern is with the bottom line Cristine: Sounds like a financial advisor
Ben: I let other people worry about values for me, no i i think we disagree with this
Cristine: I disagree
Ben: Yeah uh most of my problems are due to the fact that other people just don't understand me hashtag not relatable
Cristine: This sounds yeah sometimes you know when there's always problems and the common denominator is you? This sounds like that's what that kind of person would say
Ben: Yeah i think so Most of my problems are i think i'm just a little too abrasive at times that's i mean uh so Cristine: I would strongly disagree
Ben: I think i will as well it's all my fault
Cristine: I think i'm pretty well understood Ben: Are you? Do you feel understood?
Cristine: i think so, i got no complaints Ben: uh people who are stupid enough to get ripped off usually deserve it Cristine: oh my god that's so mean like think of my grandma My grandma, she got ripped i mean like many older people have gotten ripped off by internet scams but she yeah she did fall for a few of them one time we were with her in Florida and had to take the phone away from her because it was some guy trying to get her bank account Ben: Yeah that is really sad yeah that people scammers often prey on old people who don't understand technology
Cristine: because they don't understand so did she deserve it because she's stupid? absolutely not there's just some people that are easier to take advantage of for whatever situation, so i would disagree Ben: Yeah i agree with you uh before i do anything i carefully consider the possible consequences
Cristine: That sounds like a very smart thing to do Ben: Yeah i think we're both people who overthink things if anything uh looking out for myself is my top priority um..
Cristine: I'm gonna put neutral
Ben: I think slightly disagree because i think looking out for you is my top priority. You agreed though right? Is that what you said?
Cristine: I said neutral because i'm like one away because you need to you need to care about yourself in order to care about others
Ben: Well yeah like in the event of an emergency on a plane you got to put your mask on first before your child
Cristine: So am I your child? Ben: yeah uh i have been in a lot of shouting matches with other people Cristine: uh no i probably ran away from shouting matches with other people Ben: Yeah i don't.. when was the last time you screamed at someone? i mean you scream at me a lot
Cristine: IS IT REAL HOLO? Ben: Where's my tea?! I tell other people what they want to hear so that they will do what i want them to do Do you manipulate people by telling what they want to hear to get things? Cristine: No
Ben: No i think if anything were too honest maybe uh so disagree
Cristine: yeah Ben: um when i get frustrated i often let off steam by blowing my top Cristine: [gasps] that's rated R
Ben: I mean i think there's something to this for you
Cristine: oh, weightlifting?
Ben: to let off steam it's yeah weightlifting but also even your videos where like in the holo chocolate video you just posted right you're acting like crazy in that and i think like deliberately not understanding what i was trying to explain to you about the holo
Cristine: Is that blowing my top? Like that sounds like a very aggressive response Ben: Blowing your top is excessive
Cristine: Am I punching walls? Ben: But you're the kind of person who is very pretty even a lot of the time but then it's like we're filming a video and you're all the way up here Cristine: But that's part of a performance too Ben: Well yeah Okay you don't think that's a useful...
Cristine: I don't think this question is about performance it's about you're so frustrated you have to like punch a wall Ben: yeah well is your weightlifting doing that to some degree?
Cristine: No i just like like it i like throwing around the hundreds of pounds Ben: I'm not trying to make you sensitive about it
Cristine: No, this is in the context of when you're so frustrated that you need to do something like aggressive i don't think that's how i i perceive my exercise
Ben: It's not how you cope. Alright, uh i would be upset if my success came at someone else's expense Cristine: Yeah
Ben: Yeah i think we both strongly agree with that uh love is overrated uh strongly disagree. What do you think? Cristine: I mean i think the romanticization of like oh love it's the most wonderful thing can be really annoying Ben: Sure
Cristine: so in that sense i like you know inclined to somewhat agree but i think like if you just look at love...
Ben: Should I be concerned?
Cristine: No! But it's the the fetishization of that as an as an experience when someone doesn't have it and they're like oh all i want is love in my life and it's like that's not really how that's not the motivation to get there is what i'm trying to say
Ben: Sure sure, I hear you
Cristine: So in that sense it's overrated but in the real sense where you don't even need to talk about it or brag about it it's not overrated
Ben: Okay so where do you land on this, Cristine?
Cristine: Sorry i'm thinking about it too much Ben: I mean your inclination was to agree, i think
Cristine: I think i'll say neutral because i think the question is asking it more from the angle of the the former that i just described
Ben: Okay uh next one i often admire a really clever scam Cristine: I mean i think you could appreciate the cleverness of how someone thought something out. Does that make it right for them to have gone through with it? No Ben: Yeah for me the i think a big factor is who is being uh defrauded or who is being scammed Is it a little old lady who's confused or you know when someone figures out how to break a game at a casino and casinos mostly exist and profit off of the misery and addiction to gambling of sad people i'm kind of okay with that and i can appreciate that
Cristine: I would admire that Ben: Yeah actually you know what's a funny example um you know like air miles programs? Cristine: Yes
Ben: Some guy years, i don't even know if this i'm not sure if this is a scam or not but when someone finds a loophole like this i find it fascinating and i admire it he basically there was some promotion going on at a grocery store that certain products just got you a certain number of air miles and he just figured out what the lowest value product was that got that promotion and it was pudding and he bought like thousands and thousands of orders of pudding and him and his family are flying for free for the rest of their life because they realized..
Cristine: How much in pudding did he spend? Ben: He probably spent like a couple grand on pudding but now he's like super platinum status with some airline and he's just flying for free around the world and...
Cristine: Did they catch him or cancel it or anything, or no? Ben: People are aware of this, there's art.. you could research. I'm maybe not getting all the details right or i didn't get into it that much but i think it's kind of brilliant when someone figures out something like that Cristine: I admire that Ben: Yeah so i'm gonna...
Cristine: It's like extreme couponing
Ben: I i agree i do admire a clever scam as long as it's not like defrauding like poor sick people or something Cristine: Sometimes some of those scams like you just described like that would be legal what he did Ben: Sure
Cristine: Like it's not a violation of the law what he did so it's depends how you define scam
Ben: Okay uh next one i make a point of trying not to hurt others in pursuit of my goals Cristine: So you prioritize not hurting others over your goals? Ben: I mean do our goals usually involve hurting others?
Cristine: No Ben: How often are you in that position?
Cristine: No Ben: Uh I guess i make a point of it if that's a thing you have to think about. Okay i enjoy manipulating other people's feelings Cristine: Well this is like this is a psychopath right there. No! Ben: Yeah they're not they're not burying the intention there. Strong disagree Cristine: This isn't a very good self-report survey
Ben: Well you take it up with Levinson uh three statements left i feel bad if my words or actions cause someone else to feel emotional pain Cristine: Yeah
Ben: Uh even if we were trying very hard to sell something i wouldn't lie about it Cristine: ah it's like being an influencer yo this is that that'll catch a lot of people
Ben: Well you have a very good track record here i would say, Simply Cristine: Hm thank you sir Ben: Not just promoting awful products or services just because people were throwing money at them Cristine: I've definitely turned down a lot of types of teas that are for weight loss
Ben: I know you have so uh i think we're strongly disagreeing for you
Cristine: Yeah Ben: i'm disagreeing as well Last one, cheating is not justified because it is unfair to others Cristine: Cheating is not okay because it's unfair Ben: Yes Cristine: Correct, yes then agree sorry i agree there's a few negatives in that so i'm like let me make sure i pick the right side
Ben: I agree as well but i just want to apologize uh to my friend Alex. When we were 12 years old we were playing monopoly and while you looked away for a second i just stole one of your 500 dollar bills and uh yeah i just would like to say i'm very a very sincere apology to you for that Cristine: I wonder what the full house lady would say to this Ben: The full house lady?
Cristine: The girl who just the woman who went to prison for her kids for getting them into school Ben: Oh!
Cristine: What's her name? Laurie? Loughlin.
Ben: Her kid just went on that uh talk show
Cristine: The Red Table Yeah. Interesting
Ben: I tried watching that it was just pretty i don't know it was such a bizarre conversation i thought Cristine: It felt a little planned It's hard to say
Ben: It makes sense
Cristine: Well yeah i guess but like almost screw not scripted but like rehearsed anyways!
Ben: Anyways! Okay we have completed the personality test, the first part of this
Cristine: Alright Ben: uh where your answer is accurate and can they be used for research? Cristine: I like how that's two questions in one so they force you to say yes Because if they ask me separately i'd be like answers are accurate no you can't use it for research and they know that's what people are going to do
Ben: So do we want to do the second half of the test that is more about uh uh our lifestyle what was it psychopathic lifestyle i think it was
Cristine: I think so Let's see how we live
Ben: Yeah you want to keep going? Okay Alright, let's continue.
Cristine: Uh oh, there's no turning back now, Ben Ben: Alright, thank you for agreeing to complete the optional survey we are conducting research on how people think about words and your data will be helped uh will help to make a new test we are working on your answers will be anonymous because no new information could be reasonably used to identify you will be collected uh yadda yadda continue uhh.. woah
Cristine: Ohhh what? Ben: This is strange. So it's showing like... Alright i think we're gonna have to skip through this because it's basically just showing made up words and it's like what does the above word in red sound like it means so it's t-h-a-a-tha and it's like do you think that means small or large? Cristine: So answer Ben: You you want me to do this?
Cristine: Yeah Ben: I have no thoughts on this. This doesn't make any sense to me at all
Cristine: It's like a first thing it's a first thought experiment Ben: A thought seems small to me Cristine: Just do...
Ben: okay i'll do mine. There's 24. This is not going to be interesting to listen to..
Cristine: It's supposed to be quick. Just say them out loud
Ben: Chai is short term dub sounds uh fast to me like dubstep hesh is uh is it sophisticated or rugged hesh sounds rugged. Evade sounds more angular than round fwop sounds slow not fast gob sounds short term not long term gu guit sounds pretty bright not dark alderth sounds sophisticated not rugged saw sounds large not small dao is fast not slow budge is dark not bright fwah is angular not rounded do duy is uh small not large noga is sophisticated not rugged is uh
Cristine: goy goy goy Ben: short term not long term hilk is a rugged not sophisticated doug he is rounded not angular gudge is uh large not small c is rounded not angular theft is dark not bright faf is fast not slow evalore is bright not dark nog is short term
Cristine: Eggnog Ben: oh is english your native language? uh have you provided accurate data we can use sure go for it Do you actually want to go through that too with yours?
Cristine: yeah i guess i have to to complete the test
Ben: We literally might like skip through this quickly but uh okay Cristine... geik angular or rounded Cristine: Angular groit is bright not dark. Duy is slow not fast. Faf is bright not dark hesh is slow not fast in todd is uh short term not long term pong is rounded non-angular shish is short-term not long-term buy is dark not bright Ben: buying things is dark?
Cristine: yeah bye-bye-bye fa is sophisticated not rugged rap is small not large shift is rounded not angular bum is short term not long term Ben: your bum is long
Cristine: vec is fast not slow dud is rugged not sophisticated bomb is short term not long term faff is sophisticated not rugged ooled is large not small voyal is fast not slow cool i have no idea that is small not large fash is dark not bright ngud is rugged not sophisticated i wet is small not large and pav is rounded not angular yes english is my native language and yes you can use my really valuable data i just provided there Ben: So like i quickly screened this test before
Cristine: And it didn't have that Ben: And i clicked through and that didn't happen
Cristine: So what's going on here?
Ben: I don't really know But okay!
Cristine: When i screened it too and the second set of questions was very much like the first it was just a survey questionnaire Ben: It was just more tests...
Cristine: So are they playing us? Ben: Are we going crazy?
Cristine: What is going on here? Maybe we got like the third magic test because whatever we answered on the first one actually thinks that we're closer to the deciding factor
Cristine: Oh so they're very interested in this because we're displaying some psychopathic tendencies
Cristine: It's like when you progress to the next level of the french exam they only give you the next questions if you're close enough to them having to decide between levels Ben: Okay so is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Cristine: I mean i don't know Ben: Alright but okay now here's the results for the actual test. You have completed the Levinson self-reports psychopathy scale it measures two scales scores range from one which is low to five which is high uh your score from primary psychopathy for me is calculated as 2.2 For Cristine, it's calculated as 2 Cristine: So i'm less of a psychopath. Wooo! You making dinner tonight!
Ben: So what does primary psychopathy mean? Is the effective aspects of psychopathy so the lack of empathy for other people and tolerance for antisocial orientations Cristine: So we're both at a 2 or 2.2 out of 5 and 2 is on the lower side Ben: Okay and then for the secondary psychopathy scale i've been calculated as a 1.7 And Cristine has been calculated as a 1.4 out of 5
Cristine: I win again Ben: So..
Cristine: I did really good at the words. The words that made no sense Ben: i guess i'm cooking dinner tonight. So secondary psychopathy is the anti-social aspects of psychopathy so rule breaking and a lack of effort towards socially rewarded behavior Cristine: There's probably some like that second test we did was probably about implicit bias that we weren't fully appreciating because you're doing it fast and the whole point is to catch these things when you associate a word that sounds like something else that you're not realizing with a negative thing it may think okay closer to psychopath Ben: Maybe. Okay that yeah actually that makes a lot of sense. Alright so with the two scores the results of the lsrp are very suitable for being plotted below is the distribution so they have a chart and a sort of heat map of where most people stand and it seems like a lot of people are basically at like between a one and a two on both of those scales i would say would be the most common thing so i'm kind of getting the sense we're a little bit more psychopathic
Cristine: Than average Ben: Than the general population
Cristine: It says right underneath that Ben's score for primary psychopathy was higher than 53 percent of people who have taken this test Ben: ohhh but for secondary psychopathy it was only higher than 13 percent of people who take the test Cristine: So you're pretty on par with the average Ben: Okay
Cristine: Well a little bit above but you're much higher on the primary
Ben: Yeah well a little bit higher than the middle
Cristine: Yes, sorry Ben: So for you you're at 45 percent for primary psychopathy so you are are less psycho than the average person uh and 4.6 percent for the secondary psychopathy test relative to people have taken the test it's not like it's to people who have it's not like the entire world right Cristine: Yeah but we both still scored higher, right? Because it says my score for primary psychopathy was higher than 45 percent of people Ben: Well that means 55 percent of people who took it no, you're less
Cristine: I wish that they would have said this in a better way like actually plotted us on the map or something
Ben: I think this m.akes sense You're right they don't actually like plot you on their heat map but uh...
Cristine: So i'm less psycho than the average person
who took this test and.. Ben is more Ben: What do you want a cookie or something? Cristine: Actually i'd like you to make me dinner i believe that was the arrangement we can rewind to the beginning of this podcast Ben: okay i will make you dinner tonight Cristine: That's very sweet of you Ben: And i won't do anything crazy i mean uh.. Cristine: so what do you think?
Ben: where do we go from here?
Cristine: Are you gonna give much weight to these? Why do you think you scored higher than i did? Ben: I'm not sure... did i ...
Cristine: I was the one taking like harder decisions like completely disagree with that Ben: uh i'm not sure, Cristine
Cristine: Maybe it's because you think that there's gray area in more things so you're less likely to make a hard decision and maybe they're using that as some kind of proxy for...
Ben: Good point Cristine: being able to see oh maybe i'll manipulate this person
Ben: Yeah there were a few statements that are are very clearly you should be disagreeing with them and i maybe only disagreed with them and not strongly disagreed with them because i...
Cristine: Should have taken a firmer stance
Ben: You're right i do...
Cristine: Should have been a better person Ben: So what do you want for dinner tonight? More holo chocolate or something? Cristine: I want a garbage bowl.
Ben: We should try making holographic chocolate again i'm really mad at myself that i wasn't able to temper chocolate
Cristine: I mean no one expected you to temper chocolate Ben: I don't like failing Cristine: I don't think anyone cares. So you're sounding a little more psychopathic
Ben: I want to manipulate people into thinking i'm an excellent chocolatier
Cristine: Well we have a lot of leftover chocolate so if you'd like to do that we don't want to waste it
Ben: Yeah yeah Cristine: We don't have a lot of film though because that film was expensive and we only got like one sheet finally in the mail Ben: Yeah it was hard to get. So the foil in that video was uh we were waiting weeks for that
Cristine: I think i cut that out of the video yeah fun fact if you're listening here anyways, the diffraction film i ordered from three different suppliers a month ago and it took so long to get just one of them and when i got it i thought it would be like a full roll because i paid like i think 40 bucks for it
Ben: It's just like a tiny sheet
Cristine: It's just a tiny one sheet so yeah
Ben: yeah but we saved it and you can just like wash it off and reuse it i'm not sure if that was clear from the video
Cristine: But it gets kind of um like cloudy Ben: Yeah but you can clean it, use it again you can make new glasses new logan paul glasses
Cristine: i should find those
Ben: We could just do this test again pretending to be other people for fun Cristine: Yeah it's like what would logan paul say? Ben: We'll do some role role playing i'll pretend to be jeffree star and take the test Cristine: i don't think so, Ben I wonder if there was maybe a better test out there that did a better job at capturing um responses without them seeming so leading because i think a lot of these questions were like basically are you a psychopath so like that's that's not really a good self-report survey Ben: I think that's the idea though why like, to actually judge something like this isn't reliant on self-reporting tests it's reliant on a more clinical diagnostic tool, right?
Cristine: And i guess that's the moral of the story. Is that you shouldn't use online tests to give much weight to anything like this although they may be fun to do to pass the time i understand yeah i've taken some buzzfeed tests i'm not gonna lie Ben: Actually speaking of psychopaths, did you see they recently solved one of the zodiac killers uh ciphers
Cristine: No Ben: I'm not sure if people are aware of this he was a serial killer who killed some people in the bay area back in the 60s and he sent these messages to newspapers while he was killing people that had like hidden codes in them that he was like daring them to publish in the paper so people it was basically like a sick game he was playing but even though this was like 50 years ago someone like only just solved one of them like last week Cristine: Really?
Ben: Yeah
Cristine: We were just watching Zodiac like the movie Ben: We watched, so there's a David Fincher movie with Jake Gyllenhaal and Robert Downey jr, it's a it's a good movie, it's pretty.. Cristine: So wait what exactly did they solve? Ben: So he would send...
Cristine: His message? Ben: to newspapers he would send this like it was like a grid of symbols and if you can figure out or like like letters all jumbled up and basically if you can figure out like that the a actually represents a t you can start guessing what words and message he's actually spelling out but it's like like like experts in uh i don't know what the discipline of trying to solve these ciphers is but the first one is kind of like easily solved by just some like amateur and then they got progressively harder one of the reasons they were harder is because there's spelling mistakes in them so people thought like even if you thought you'd figured it out if it's dependent on figuring out a word but the word was spelled wrong it actually makes it much harder to my to my understanding and there's still some of them that aren't solved actually there's a couple more that people still haven't figured out and no one knows for sure who it was although people have their theories
Cristine: that's what i was gonna ask, was there any new information revealed from solving that about the killer or the crimes?
Ben: No. So there's two more and perhaps one of those reveals his identity what he, what the revealed cipher and the FBI confirmed like the accuracy of it maybe they figured it already
Cristine: What does it say? Ben: It was it's pretty dark it basically suggests uh someone had called into a television station pretending they were the killer and i guess the message starts out with him saying like by the way that wasn't me and that conversation with the fake person focused on the death penalty and he said i'm not worried about the death penalty because i think he thought everyone he killed would be his slaves in the afterlife and that's basically the content of the message Cristine: What?
Ben: Yeah pretty uh it's pretty gruesome stuff eh?
Cristine: How.. how does that make sense is that particular belief? Ben: I mean, Cristine he's guy who's going around killing people, i don't know what to tell you
Cristine: No but like, why why did do people assume that that's what he meant Ben: Well no in the message he sends it like well it kind of says like don't worry i'm gonna have all sorts of slaves in the afterlife i don't care if i get caught and executed
Cristine: OOhh Interesting
Ben: And i think there was some reason to believe he thought the people he killed if he killed them they would be his slaves in the afterlife Cristine: Is there any connection to some form of religion? Ben: i don't think so, i hope not. I don't know Anyway, it's an interesting case interesting movie
Cristine: Should talk about that next time it's more interesting than us who aren't very psychopathic apparently
Ben: Well like this test i think we decided maybe isn't the best uh measure and maybe next time we just get a a doctor on and we uh
Cristine: Just evaluate us Ben: To evaluate us on the podcast Cristine: Who should evaluate us? Comment down below
Ben: Yeah i'm not sure but apologies to Katie Morton, we were gonna have her on today
Cristine: She was gonna evaluate us Ben: Cue the scary music uh but thank you for tuning in Cristine: Hope you have a fantastic Taco Tuesday We are going to be doing a holiday themed episode soon Ben: Are we? Cristine: Christmas with no h. Maybe talk about some Christmas stories Ben: Yeah, what do you want us like our childhood memories. Did we celebrate Christmas growing up? Could get into religion there too. Cristine: What was in our stockings How big was our stockings?!
Ben: You will have to put a tweet out for uh questions Cristine: Yeah but i've seen a lot of tweets from you guys asking like can you do a Christmas themed podcast so you know you might think that'll be nice and wholesome but uh we'll see Ben: Probably not
Cristine: I think it would be a fun thing though and then you guys can put that on while you're at home just you know chilling enjoying the holidays
Ben: yeah
Cristine: practicing social distancing and doing everything that you know the responsible people are supposed to do. I know it's it's been tough this year maybe to not see as much family as you wanted to us as well i haven't seen any family that like lives in Toronto. Most of my family's in Toronto i haven't seen them since 2019. Ben: Yeah
Cristine: So but I have BEN every every day
Ben: you sound so excited about it
Cristine: every day i have been there all the time so Ben: yeah maybe uh we still have the holographic chocolate in the fridge Cristine: Do you want to eat it?
Ben: Maybe we can yeah or we can make cookies
Cristine: out of oh what if oh my god Ben: oh my god!
Cristine: I just had a really...
Ben: Okay you chop up the chocolate Cristine: wait wait wait..
Ben: bake it into the cookie
Cristine: So you made a compound cookie no a garbage cookie. what do you call them?
Ben: Compost cookies? Cristine: Compost...
Ben: Compound chocolate is what we use to make the holographic chocolate Cristine: Ben has made compost cookies before. I think he made them in a video Ben: So they're cookies that just have like pretzels, potato chips...
Cristine: it's like a garbage cookie Ben: Yeah it's just put a bunch of stuff in whatever you had in your pantry
Cristine: So what if we make those but cut up the holo chocolate and then you have holo pieces of chocolate sticking out from the cookie. Wait is the holo gonna melt? Is the holo gonna melt in the oven? Ben: I suspect as soon as you melt that chocolate it's going to lose the the print...
Cristine: Lose the holo?
Ben: because nothing transferred from the foil to the chocolate Cristine: Well it obviously did. What if it burns?
Ben: oh my god we' talked about this off-camera
Cristine: What if it explodes? What if we put...
Ben: Nothing. You're doing this just to bother me i know you are Cristine: No I'm not! Ben: Nothing transferred from the foil to the chocolate
Cristine: You say that but i.. Ben: shaped the chocolate
Cristine: You say that but like you saw the video Ben: Ok i'm gonna make chocolate chip cookies with that chocolate just to see what happens
Cristine: It's gonna explode in the oven Ben: Just rainbows start shooting out of the oven
Cristine: It's just gonna explode Ben: Alright. See you next..
Cristine: Thanks so much...
Ben: Taco Tuesday Cristine: Hope you guys have a really good Taco Tuesday. This is your weekly reminder that it is Tuesday. Thank you guys so much for watching Don't forget to subscribe. Why do i sound like an official podcaster? Ben: Alright...
Cristine: We've done this 41 times now, Ben! I'm getting too good at this. Someone better fire me Ben: Alright, see y'all later.
Cristine: Thanks so much for watching! See y'all later! byyyeee
