PLAY GOLF LATER ON. THANK YOU. >>> JOINING IN STUDIO IS A POLITICAL INVESTIGATIONS REPORTED WITH THE GUARDIAN, AND ATTORNEY AND HOST OF THE KATIE PHANG SHOW, KATIE PHANG. CUSTODIAL WITNESSES, STORMY DANIELS, YOU WERE THERE IN COURT , GIVE US A SENSE OF DANIELS' DEMEANOR, THE REACTIONS FROM DONALD TRUMP, AND HOW ENGAGED THE JURY WAS LISTENING TO STORMY DANIELS AS COMPARED TO OTHER WITNESS TESTIMONY. LOOK, THE SALACIOUS NATURE OF HER TESTIMONY CANNOT BE IGNORED. >> SHE TESTIFIED FOR TWO DAYS AND THE FIRST DAY WAS VERY INFORMAL, AND THAT HAD AN EFFECT OF HUMANIZI HER AND MAKING IT ACCESSIBLE. ON THE FLIPSIDE, IT MADE IT SOUND LIKE IT WAS A GOSSIP SESSION SHE WAS TRYING TO TRASH DONALD TRUMP. ON THE SECOND DAY ON THE CROSS- EXAMINATION, THE LAWYER FOR DONALD TRUMP WAS SO AGGRESSIVE AND TRY TO POKE HOLES IN HER STORY, ALMOST AS IF HER SYMPATHY GOES BACK TO STORMY DANIELS. SHE WAS PRESSING STORMY DANIELS ON, DID YOU HAVE DINNER WITH DONALD TRUMP? A LONG TIME ON THAT. THAT HAD TWO EFFECTS, FOR THE JURY, IT MAY STORMY DANIELS MORE SYMPATHETIC. SECOND, IT OPENED THE DOOR FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO START QUESTIONING STORMY DANIELS ON THINGS THE DEFENSE WAS NOT EXPECTING. >> INTERESTING, KATIE, THE PROSECUTION GOT INTO THESE LURID DETAILS OF STORMY DANIELS ALLEGED SEXUAL ENCOUNTER WITH DONALD TRUMP IN 2006. WHEN SHE WAS 27 AND HE WAS 60 YEARS OLD. HE WROTE ABOUT THE ICK FACTOR OF THE TESTIMONY AND YOU SAY IT IS RELEVANT. WHY DID IT HAVE TO BE SO DETAILED? >> THE HEADLINE IS MISLEADING, WHEN I SAY THE ICK FACTOR, NOT HER TESTIMONY BUT HOW ICKY IT FELT WHEN A 60-YEAR-OLD MAN IS ANSWERING THE DOOR INSIDE PAJAMAS AND IS IN BOXERS AFTER SHE COMES OUT OF THE BATHROOM LAYING IN WAIT FOR STORMY DANIELS. THE ICK FACTOR, EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR IT, YOU HEARD IT. NOBODY WANTS TO BE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND HAVE POSSIBLE VOTERS HERE THAT. THE TIMING IS IMPORTANT, THIS CONVERSATION, THIS INCIDENT DID NOT HAPPEN IN A VACUUM. IN TERMS OF WHEN IT WAS LEAKED. WE HAVE THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD TAPE THAT COMES OUT IN 2016 ON THE EVE OF THE NOVEMBER ELECTION. THAT IS WHEN STORMY DANIELS IS PAID TO BE SILENT BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP AND HIS CAMPAIGN DID NOT WANT PEOPLE HEARING WHAT THE JURY HEARD. EVERYBODY KNEW THAT STORMY DANIELS WAS GOING TO BE A PART OF THIS CASE FOR THE PROSECUTION AND WAITING TO HEAR FROM HER. SHE DELIVERED TO THE PROSECUTION. SUSAN, THE DONALD TRUMP LAWYER, DID NOT DEAL WITH THAT ICK FACTOR , SHE LEANED INTO IT AS THERE WAS A MISTRIAL MOTION MADE ON TUESDAY AT THE CLOSE OF THIS TESTIMONY OF STORMY DANIELS ON HOW IT WAS PRESIDENTIAL ABOUT DONALD TRUMP TELLING STORMIE THAT HE REMINDED HER OF HIS DAUGHTER, GROSS. INSTEAD OF STAYING AWAY FROM IT AND FOCUSING ON THE FACT THAT STORMY DANIELS DID NOT HAVE PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE FALSIFICATION AND NOT PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS FROM DONALD TRUMP TO MICHAEL COHEN , THEY LEANED IN, THE DEFENSE LEANED IN THEREBY HIGHLIGHTING IT AND THAT IS WHAT THE PURPOSE OF MY ARTICLE WAS, TO SAY THAT YOU DID NOT OBJECT IF YOU WERE THE DEFENSE, THEY RULED AGAINST THE DEFENSE FOR A MISTRIAL AND THE FAILURE TO OBJECT IS A PROBLEM FOR THE DEFENSE COMING OUT OF THE STORMY DANIELS TESTIMONY. >> DOES THE JURY NEED TO BELIEVE STORMY DANIELS HAD SEX WITH DONALD TRUMP FOR HIM TO BE FOUND GUILTY? >> NO, THEY JUST NEED TO BELIEVE THAT THE IDEA OF HIM HAVING SEX WITH STORMY DANIELS AND A GETTING OUT MOTIVATED THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN TO PAY OFF STORMY DANIELS THROUGH MICHAEL COHEN. THAT PROVIDES THE BRIDGE. >> THIS IS LIKE THE DOORMAN STORY. WHICH WAS FALSE. BUT THEY PAID TO MAKE SURE IT DID NOT GET OUT. >> YES, A GREAT EXAMPLE. THE DOORMAN, THE EVEN SAID IT WAS NOT TRUE, BUT THEY PAID HIM TO SHUT UP. IF STORMY DANIELS STORY WAS NOT TRUE, THEY STILL PAID HER TO SHUT UP. YOU ARE PAYING PEOPLE TO SHUT UP SO THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT YOU IN A WAY YOU THINK WILL BE NEGATIVE. NOT BECAUSE, HE DID NOT TELL HER TO BECOME MITCHELL IN 2006 WHEN THEY HAD SEX, NOT WORRIED ABOUT HIS WIFE, AS HE SAID THEY LIVED IN SEPARATE BEDROOMS. ON THE EVE OF THE ELECTION HE SAID, SHUT UP, DON'T TALK ABOUT IT. >> IN THE CROSS-EXAMINATION, OF STORMY DANIELS, A ATTORNEY FOR DONALD TRUMP REALLY TRIED TO PAINT STORMY DANIELS AS SEEKING MONEY AND FAME, REFERENCING HER MEMOIR, A COMIC BOOK, MERCHANDISE, A SAINT OF INDICTMENTS DEVOTIONAL CANDLE WITH HER PICTURE ON IT. CELEBRATING THE ITEMS FROM THE STORE, SHE RESPONDED, NOT UNLIKE DONALD TRUMP. DESCRIBE THE DEFENSE TEAM CAPTAINS -- TACTICS AND HOW STORMY DANIELS HANDLE THOSE QUESTIONS. >> THE TACTIC WAS TO SAY THAT THE STORY HAD CHANGED FOR STORMY DANIELS FIRST TOLD IN 2011 THROUGH MAY 2018 INTERVIEW SHE DID WITH ANDERSON COOPER. LOOK, YOUR TESTIMONY HAS CHANGED SO OFTEN AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH CLIENTS WHO TELL THEIR STORY OVER AND OVER, DEFENSE LAWYERS LOVE IT BECAUSE THEY CAN PULL UP INCONSISTENCIES. ONE THROUGH LINE IN ALL OF THESE INSTANCES, IT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT, SHE HAS HAD SEX WITH DONALD TRUMP. THE INCONSISTENCIES WERE MINOR IN COMPARISON. SHE WAS GETTING CALLED UP, YOUR 2011 INTERVIEW WITH A MAGAZINE, YOU DID NOT DESCRIBE CERTAIN DETAILS. YOU DIDN'T DESCRIBE, IN YOUR TRIAL TESTIMONY, THAT YOU KISSED DONALD TRUMP. THAT SHOWS THAT YOU'VE BEEN MAKING UP YOUR STORY. THE LAWYER SAID, YOU'RE MAKING UP THE STORY, STORMY DANIELS SAID, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THESE INCONSISTENCIES WERE TINY AND DON'T MATTER TO THE MAIN STORY AND WHAT WAS REVEALING. YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE MAGAZINE STORY WAS, SMALL SIDEBAR IMPRINT , IT SAYS IT HAS BEEN EDITED FOR CLARITY AND LENGTH. >> THE DEFENSE DRILLED IN A HEART ON STORMY DANIELS AND ONE POINT IN WHICH THE LAWYER ASKED , YOU WERE SELLING YOURSELF AS SOMEONE WHO HATED PRESIDENT TRUMP, SOMEONE WHO CAN GET PRESIDENT TRUMP INDICTED, RIGHT? SHE ANSWERS, I WAS NOT SELLING MYSELF TO ANYONE. OVERALL, WAS THIS A WINNING APPROACH FOR THE DEFENSE? WAS THE PROSECUTION CORRECT IN BRINGING STORMY DANIELS TO THE STAND? >> YES, THE PROSECUTION WAS RIGHT TO BRING STORMY DANIELS, THE FAILURE WOULD HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM, NOT CALLING KAREN McDOUGAL, WHICH THE PROSECUTION ANNOUNCED, MAKES SENSE, THE CRUX OF THE FAMILIES DONALD TRUMP IS CHARGED WITH THE WITH THE PAYMENTS TO STORMY DANIELS, NOT TO KAREN McDOUGAL. KAREN McDOUGAL IS AN EXAMPLE LIKE THE DOORMAN, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A SILENCING OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE HARM TO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN IN 2016. THE DEFENSE, THE STRATEGY TO SLOT GAME -- SHAME STORMY DANIELS, DONALD TRUMP IS THE KING OF GRIFT. HE SELLS BIBLES FOR $59. THAT IS A PART OF WHAT THE JURY ALREADY KNOWS, AS A TRIAL LAWYER, DO NOT INSULT THE JURY DO NOT INSULT THE COMMON SENSE OF A TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE STORMY DANIELS IS DOING THING YOUR CLIENT DOESN'T DO. STORMY DANIELS HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE BREAK ON WEDNESDAY, NO TRIAL ON WEDNESDAY, SO DONALD TRUMP 10 CAMPAIGN. THE BREAK FROM TUESDAY TO THURSDAY REGULATE BRAND-NEW STORMY DANIELS ON THE WITNESS STAND ON THURSDAY, COMPOSED AND MEASURED, ZINGERS THAT WERE GOOD TO COUNTER WHAT THE DEFENSE WAS TRYING TO DO ON CROSS. WHEN SHE LEFT THE STAND COME ON REDIRECT, SHE SAID I DID NOT MAKE IT UP. TO HUGO'S POINT, THE CONSISTENT POINT, SHE HAD SEX WITH DONALD TRUMP. >> WE HAD THE CUSTODIAL WITNESSES THIS WEEK, A FEW PARALEGALS, A COUPLE OF TELECOM EMPLOYEES AND THE LIKE. LET'S TALK ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN AND THE WAY HE HAS BEEN DEPICTED IN THE TRIAL. HUGO? >> WE HAVE HEARD AND SEEN SNIPPETS OF MICHAEL COHEN INVOICES HE SUBMITTED TO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. SO, I THINK WHEN MICHAEL COHEN FINALLY TESTIFIES , WE EXPECT NEXT WEEK , MONDAY, TUESDAY, IT WILL BE A BIG MOMENT AND A BIG MOMENT IN MULTIPLE WAYS BECAUSE IT TIES THE FINAL PIECE TOGETHER, BUT BECAUSE MICHAEL COHEN IS A CRUCIAL WITNESS IN THIS CASE. THE INFORMATION THAT MICHAEL COHEN CAN PROVIDE IN THIS TESTIMONY IS GOING TO BE THE LINK FROM THE FALSIFICATION OF BUSINESS RECORDS TO TRUMP. WE HAVE NOT HAD A WITNESS TO SAY I HAVE DEALT WITH DONALD TRUMP AND HE SAID, ENTER THESE AS LEGAL EXPENSES FALSELY COME AT MICHAEL COHEN IS THE WITNESS THAT CAN PROVIDE THAT BRIDGE. THE FALSIFICATION OF BUSINESS THAT YOU BASICALLY MAKES IT PRIOR FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE OR CAUSE SOMEONE ELSE TO COMMIT A FALSE ENTRY IN BUSINESS RECORDS IF MICHAEL COHEN CAN PROVIDE THAT LINK AND SAY, I ARRANGE THIS WITH DONALD TRUMP SO I WOULD SEND THESE SHAM INVOICES AND DONALD TRUMP WOULD RECORD THEM ON THE GENERAL LEDGER AND THE DONALD TRUMP ORGANIZATION WOULD PUT THEM ON THE LEDGER AS BUSINESS EXPENSES, MICHAEL COHEN PR
