WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT. IT'S RELATED IN A WAY. PRETTY INCREDIBLE VIDEO WE WANT TO SHOW YOU. IT'S AN EVANGELICAL PASTOR DELIVERING A FORCEFUL SERMON DENOUNCING WHAT'S BECOME KNOWN AS THE TRUMP BIBLE AS BLASPHEMOUS AND DISGUSTING. IN MARCH, TRUMP BEGAN SELLING A $64 GOD BLESS THE USA BIBLE COMPLETE WITH COPIES OF THE NATION'S FOUNDING DOCUMENTS. THE SERMON BY REVEREND LIVINGSTON IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA, HAS GONE VIRAL, DRAWING MILLIONS OF VIEWS SO FAR. TAKE A LOOK. >> WHEN YOU DON'T READ AND PRAY, YOU SAY, WOW, THERE'S A BIBLE OUT NOW THAT INCLUDES THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS. ISN'T THAT WONDERFUL? NO! NO! IT'S DISGUSTING! IT'S BLASPHEMOUS. IT'S A PLOY. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? SOME OF YOU ARE SO ENCOURAGED BY THAT? LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING. THE GOSPEL IS NOT AN AMERICAN GOSPEL! IT IS THE GOSPEL OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! [ APPLAUSE ] >> BUT PASTOR, I BOUGHT THE BIBLE. REALLY? YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT YOU'RE ENCOURAGED BECAUSE SOMEONE TOOK A GOVERNMENT U.S. CONSTITUTION, A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS WE ARE OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE. AND YOU HAVE PUT IT RIGHT BESIDE THE WORD OF GOD, WHICH IS ETERNAL, UNCHANGING, WHICH SAYS OF HIM, BY HIM, THROUGH HIM, TO HIM, FROM HIM ARE ALL THINGS. AND YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THOSE TOGETHER AND BE HAPPY ABOUT IT? GOD FORBID. NOW, YOU CAN GET MAD IF YOU WANT TO, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. IF YOU GLORY IN THAT KIND OF THING, YOU DON'T HAVE A PRAYER LIFE. IF YOU GLORY IN THAT KIND OF MESS, POLITICAL MESS, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE WORD OF GOD SAYS. >> LET'S BRING IN RUSSELL MOORE, THE EDITOR AND CHIEF OF "CHRISTIANITY TODAY." WE ALSO HAVE STILL WITH US DAVID FRENCH. RUSSELL, BEFORE ANYONE GETS CONFUSED, THIS GENTLEMAN IS NOT GOING TO BE A DEMOCRATIC DELEGATE TO THE CHICAGO DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION. HIS POSITIONS ON ABORTION AND LGBTQ ISSUES AND MANY OTHERS WOULD NOT COME CLOSE TO FITTING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S MESSAGE ON THOSE BELIEFS. THAT SAID, THAT ACTUALLY MAKES THAT A MORE STEAMING INDICTMENT AMONG REPUBLICAN EVANGELICALS, I THINK, WHAT HE JUST SAID. TAKE US THROUGH WHAT HE JUST SAID AND HOW IT ALIGNS WITH SO MUCH OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE AND DAVID AND I BELIEVE. >> WELL, WHAT HE SAID SHOULDN'T BE CONTROVERSIAL OR EVEN REMARKABLE AT ALL. IT WAS AN OLD-FASHIONED SERMON AGAINST IDOLATRY. IT'S THE FACT THAT WE'RE LIVING IN SUCH STRANGE TIMES THAT WE EVEN TAKE NOTICE OF THIS. WHAT I NOTICE ABOUT THIS MAN IS HE'S NOT SCARED. I DON'T KNOW HIM, I'VE NEVER HEARD HIM BEFORE, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE SCARED OF THEIR AUDIENCES THAT THEY'RE AFRAID OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I GUARANTEE YOU THIS GUY WAS BEING STOPPED ON THE WAY OUT OF THE CHURCH TO SAY HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE TRUMP? HE'S ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THIS IS NOT ONLY DESTROYING OUR POLITICS, BUT ALSO OUR RELIGION. WE HAVE PEOPLE SELLING PRODUCTS TO US WITH OUR OWN SACRED TEXT MIXING THEM IN SOME POLITICAL MARKETING CAMPAIGN. THAT IS DOING SOMETHING REALLY SICK TO ALL OF US. I THINK THIS PASTOR RECOGNIZES DONALD TRUMP HAS A LOT OF BRANDED PROPERTIES WITH HIS NAME ON THEM. THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST SHOULDN'T BE ONE OF THEM. >> WHAT'S SO EXTRAORDINARY ABOUT THAT CLIP IS THAT WE DON'T SEE MORE OF IT. WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF WHY THAT IS? IS IT A FEAR OF THE CONGREGATION IN THE SAME WAY THAT POLITICIANS FEAR TRUMP VOTERS? >> YOU HAVE POLITICIANS WHO FEAR THEIR AUDIENCES ACROSS THE BOARD. IN SOME WAYS, IT IS WHAT WE SEE WITH FACULTY MEMBERS SAY TO CAMPUS ADMINISTRATORS YOU CAN'T BE SCREAMING ANTI-SEMITIC REMARKS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO LOSE THEIR BASE. SAME THING HAPPENS, SADLY, IN CHURCHES. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO GET THE ANGRY CONVERSATIONS THAT COME IF THEY CRITICIZE A FAVORED CANDIDATE IN THEIR CHURCHES. SOME OTHER PEOPLE THINK IF WE SIMPLY RIDE THIS OUT, IT WILL GO AWAY. WE'RE EIGHT YEARS IN. IT'S NOT GOING AWAY. WE HAVE CHURCH ATTENDANCE PLUMMETING. WE HAVE PEOPLE WILLING TO CALL THEMSELVES EVANGELICALS PLUMMETING. WHAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT? PEOPLE SEE IT AS JUST ANOTHER FORM OF POLITICS. WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE WILLING TO SAY, NO, THE GOSPEL IS ACTUALLY MORE THAN THAT. >> DAVID FRENCH, I WONDER IF YOU'RE SENSING WHAT I'M SENSING. AGAIN, I THINK I'M ALWAYS A LITTLE TOO OPTIMISTIC. BUT I'M HEARING PASTORS PREACH SERMONS THIS YEAR IN CHURCHES THAT FOUR YEARS AGO WERE ALL IN. THEY MAY NOT SAY VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP, BUT THEY WERE ALL IN. I'M HEARING THIS MESSAGE MORE FROM PASTORS IN VERY CONSERVATIVE CHURCHES SAYING, LET'S DO THIS. LET'S KEEP POLITICS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH DOORS AND LET'S JUST LET IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. LET'S FOCUS ON THAT FOR A WHILE PEOPLE. WHAT A RADICAL CONCEPT. I'M PICKING THAT UP IN SOME CONSERVATIVE PLACES I'M GOING TO CHURCH. I WONDER IF YOU ARE AS WELL. >> A LITTLE BIT, JOE. I'M GOING TO BE A LITTLE LESS OPTIMISTIC. WHAT I'M SENSING MORE OF IS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TIRED OF THE TRUMP PHENOMENON ARE JUST DROPPING OUT, THE EXHAUSTION FACTOR MORE THAN THE PUSHBACK. I WAS SO HAPPY TO SEE THAT CLIP. IT WAS SO POWERFULLY STATED. ONE REASON IT WENT SO VIRAL IS BECAUSE IT IS SUCH THE EXCEPTION RATHER THAN A RULE. I'M SEEING PEOPLE WHO ARE TIRED OF TRUMP WHO ARE MUCH MORE APT TO CHECK OUT THAN RISE UP IN OPPOSITION TO IT. THEY'LL RETREAT KIND OF BACK INTO THE BUSHES RATHER THAN ACTIVELY OPPOSE IT. THERE'S THIS SENSE OF HOPEFULLY THIS WILL PASS AND BE OVER. THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING. THIS CLIP, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL MAKE A PERSON SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. SO EVERY ONE OF THESE CLIPS WHERE A PERSON HAS THE GUTS TO STAND UP AND SAY OBVIOUSLY TRUE THINGS SO WELL, THOSE THINGS HELP. BUT AS FAR AS THE MATH, WHEN PEOPLE ARE UPSET WITH TRUMP, THEY'RE CHECKING OUT, NOT OPPOSING HIM AS MUCH, AT LEAST WHERE I AM. >> FINALLY, I'VE GOT TO SAY, UNFORTUNATELY, TOO MANY PASTORS OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS HAVE BEEN SCARED TO TELL THEIR CONGREGATIONS THE TRUTH. THEY'VE TOLD YOU THAT QUIETLY. I'VE HAD PASTORS QUIETLY TELLING ME THAT. MEANWHILE JUST THE HATRED AND VENOM INSIDE OF THESE CHURCHES IS SHOCKING. TIM ALBERTA TOLD HIS STORY OF BEING AT HIS DAD'S FUNERAL AND THE RECEIVING LINE COMING IN AND PEOPLE ATTACKING HIM FOR REPORTING ON DONALD TRUMP. I TOLD THE STORY BEFORE ABOUT BEING AT MY MOM'S FUNERAL SHAKING HANDS WITH PEOPLE THAT I WENT TO CHURCH WITH FOUR TIMES A WEEK AT FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH IN PENSACOLA, COMING UP TO ME SAYING THEY'RE PLAYING FOR ME AND GOD IS NOT PLEASED BECAUSE I'M NOT SUPPORTING DONALD TRUMP. MY MOM'S CASKET TWO FEET BEHIND ME. WHAT DO YOU SAY OTHER THAN WHAT I SAID TO HER, WHICH IS, I WANT YOU TO KNOW I WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOU TONIGHT AND PRAYING THAT JESUS CHRIST WILL FIND HIS WAY BACK INTO YOUR HEART, BECAUSE HE'S NOT THERE RIGHT NOW. IT'S SHOCKING. THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT OF JEREMIAH AND THE WORSHIPPING OF IDOLS. THIS IS NOT ABOUT DO YOU VOTE FOR TRUMP OR BIDEN. THIS IS ABOUT WHAT GOES ON INSIDE OF THE CHURCH. IS IT AN ARM OF A POLITICAL PARTY, OR IS IT THE ALTAR OF JESUS CHRIST? IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE, ISN'T IT? >> IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE, BUT WHEN A POLITICIAN BECOMES THE RELIGION, THEN WHO'S IN AND WHO'S OUT IS DEFINED BY HOW ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORT THE POLITICIAN. THAT'S WHAT'S SO TRAGIC ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF PASTORS WHO HAVE BEEN PROFILES IN COURAGE, SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAND OUR BIBLES OVER TO A POLITICAL MOVEMENT. A LOT OF THOSE PASTORS AREN'T IN MINISTRY ANYMORE, PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THE BACKLASH THEY'VE HAD. A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T ON BOARD ARE JUST CHECKING OUT AND LEAVING. THAT MEANS PEOPLE REALLY HAVE TO STAND UP AND SAY WE HAVE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO HAND TO OUR CHILDREN AND
