Somerset Maugham interview (1955)

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THIS SYMBOL AT THE ENTRANCE TO W. SOMERSET MAUGHAM'S VILLA IS A MOORISH SHIELD AGAINST EVIL. IT APPEARS AS AN ORNAMENT AND TALISMAN IN SUCH FAMOUS BOOKS OF HIS AS OF HUMAN BONDAGE,</i> CAKES AND ALE,</i> AND THE MOON AND SIXPENCE.</i> CAP FERRAT, WHERE HIS HOUSE STANDS, REACHES OUT FROM THE FRENCH RIVIERA TO THE MEDITERRANEAN. MAUGHAM'S LIFE IN LITERATURE AND IN DRAMA GOES BACK TO THE GREATS OF MODERN ENGLISH LETTERS: KIPLING, SHAW, ARNOLD BENNETT, MAX BEERBOHM AND SCORES OF OTHERS. HERE MAUGHAM CONVERSES WITH HIS FRIEND, ALAN PRYCE-JONES, FORMER EDITOR OF THE LONDON</i><i> </i>TIMES</i> LITERARY SUPPLEMENT AND NOW A LONDON DRAMA CRITIC. IT'S JUST THIRTY YEARS, WILLY, SINCE I FIRST CAME AND STAYED WITH YOU IN THIS HOUSE AND I SUPPOSE THAT THIRTY YEARS AGO YOU WERE JUST ABOUT THE SAME AGE THAT I AM NOW. HAVE YOU FOUND THAT LIFE BECAME MORE INTERESTING, MORE FASCINATING BETWEEN, SAY, FIFTY AND EIGHTY? I SHOULD SAY THAT ON THE WHOLE I DON'T KNOW MUCH MORE ABOUT LIFE THAN I KNEW THIRTY YEARS AGO. AFTER ALL, REMEMBER THAT THIRTY YEARS AGO I WAS ALREADY AN ELDERLY MAN. I AM CONSCIOUS OF THAT MYSELF BUT I AM HOPING THAT ONE DOES LEARN A BIT MORE IN THE DECADES TO COME. NO, I THINK PROBABLY AS ONE REACHES MY ADVANCED AGE ONE CARES MUCH LESS THAN ONE DID WHEN ONE WAS YOUNG WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK OF ONE. YOU'VE JUST MADE A LONG JOURNEY THROUGH THE FAR EAST; NOW DID YOU TAKE A NOTEBOOK WITH YOU? DID YOU MAKE ANY PLANS FOR USING THAT JOURNEY? NO, NO, INDEED NOT. WHEN THE PRESS DISCOVERED THAT I WAS GOING TO TAKE THIS JOURNEY, ON ALL SIDES I HAD MUNIFICENT OFFERS TO WRITE ABOUT IT BUT I REFUSED EVERYTHING. I JUST WANTED TO GO TO ENJOY MYSELF BUT FOR SOME REASON THE PRESS DESCRIBED IT AS A SENTIMENTAL JOURNEY AND IT WASN'T ANY MORE SENTIMENTAL THAN GOING DOWN TO BRIGHTON FOR A WEEKEND REALLY. DID YOU TAKE A LOT OF BOOKS WITH YOU? DO YOU NOW READ A GREAT DEAL? OH, I ALWAYS TRAVEL WITH A LOT OF BOOKS. YEARS AGO - I MEAN 35, 40 YEARS AGO - I USED TO TRAVEL WITH A HUGE BOOK BAG FULL OF BOOKS. IN FACT I CALLED A STORY THE BOOK BAG.</i> AT THAT TIME ALL MY STORIES WERE PUBLISHED IN THE</i> COSMOPOLITAN</i> BY RAY LEUNG AND THE</i> BOOK</i> BAG</i> WAS THE ONLY STORY I WROTE HE EVER REFUSED. HE WROTE TO ME AND SAID "I'VE GONE FURTHER WITH YOU THAN WITH ANY OTHER AUTHOR BUT WHEN IT COMES TO INCEST I HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE." IT MUST HAVE BEEN VERY DIFFICULT, WASN'T IT, TO DECIDE WHICH FORM TO ADOPT WHEN YOU HAD AN IDEA FOR A PLOT? OH, I DON'T THINK IT WAS AT ALL. IDEAS COME TO YOU ALREADY WITH A CERTAIN SHAPE AND YOU USE THEM EITHER TO MAKE INTO A NOVEL OR SHORT STORY OR PLAY. BUT SOMETIMES YOU VARIED A LITTLE BIT. I REMEMBER AT THE BEGINNING OF CAKES AND ALE </i>YOU SAID YOU JUST THOUGHT OF IT AS A VERY SHORT STORY AND THEN IT TURNS INTO THIS WONDERFUL NOVEL. I SUPPOSE THAT HAPPENED IN THE ACT OF WRITING? IN THE ACT OF WRITING, YES. AS ONE WROTE ONE THOUGHT OF MORE AND MORE THINGS. IT IS EASY, REALLY, I HAVE NEVER WRITTEN ANYTHING SO EASILY OR WITH SO MUCH PLEASURE. HOW ABOUT OF</i><i> </i>HUMAN</i> BONDAGE</i> - WAS THAT A VERY DIFFICULT BOOK TO WRITE? WELL, YOU SEE, IT WAS WRITTEN NEARLY 40 YEARS AGO, MORE PROBABLY. BECAUSE I REMEMBER I CORRECTED THE PROOFS IN FLANDERS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FIRST WORLD WAR, SO IT MUST HAVE BEEN WRITTEN TWO OR THREE YEARS BEFORE THAT. AND IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE I HAD RECOLLECTIONS WHICH TORMENTED ME AND I DID WHAT I ALWAYS DO IN SUCH A CASE - I WROTE THEM OUT IN A BOOK AND AFTER THAT THEY CEASED TO TORMENT ME... SIMPLE. YES, BUT IT'S SUCH A WONDERFULLY COMPLEX, LARGE BOOK. I WONDER IF THAT CAME STRAIGHT THROUGH YOUR NATURAL PROCESSES OF INVENTION OR RECOLLECTION OR WHETHER IT INVOLVED A LOT OF WORKING OUT. OH, I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK IT CAME STRAIGHT THROUGH. WHEN YOU WERE A YOUNG MAN YOU WERE A MEDICAL STUDENT AND THEN A DOCTOR, WEREN'T YOU? I WAS INDEED, AND I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT DURING THOSE FIVE YEARS I WAS AT ST. THOMAS' HOSPITAL I LEARNED EVERYTHING I KNOW ABOUT HUMAN NATURE. BECAUSE NORMALLY, AS WE KNOW, PEOPLE WEAR A MASK, BUT WHEN THEY ARE ILL AND AFRAID TO DIE THEY DROP THE MASK AND YOU SEE THEM AS THEY ARE. AS FAR AS BOOKS GO, AM I RIGHT IN THINKING THAT YOU PUT MOBY DICK</i> AND HUCK</i><i> </i>FINN</i> AND LEAVES OF GRASS</i> ABOVE ALL THE OTHERS? YES I THINK SO, I THINK SO, AND EXCEPTING FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS</i><i> </i>IS EXTREMELY NEAR. YOU ARE AN ADMIRER OF HEMINGWAY. I AM A GREAT ADMIRER OF HEMINGWAY. I'VE READ I THINK ALL HIS SHORT STORIES AND ALL HIS NOVELS AND I THINK HE IS A VERY GOOD WRITER INDEED, AND HE'S ALWAYS READABLE. YOU KNOW SOME BOOKS ARE EXCELLENT WITHOUT BEING READABLE, HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT? HOW ABOUT WILLIAM FAULKNER? WELL, I ONLY KNOW HIS SHORT STORIES, WHICH I LIKE. THEY'RE GOOD BUT I HAVEN'T READ HIS NOVELS. WHAT IS INTERESTING IS THE ABSOLUTE DIVERGENCE OF OPINION BETWEEN FAULKNER AND YOURSELF IN ONE RESPECT BECAUSE YOU'VE LIVED MOST OF YOUR LIFE OUT OF YOUR HOME COUNTRY AND HE'S LIVED MOST OF HIS LIFE IN THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI. DO YOU REGRET HAVING LIVED SO MUCH ABROAD? WELL, YOU SEE, I NEVER REALLY HAD A HOME BECAUSE I WAS MADE AN ORPHAN AT A VERY EARLY AGE AND I'VE BEEN EITHER HUSTLED AROUND AND GONE ABOUT PLACES OF MY OWN FREE WILL ALL OVER THE WORLD AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER. AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE FEELING OF HAVING, SO TO SPEAK, CUT YOURSELF OFF FROM YOUR GRASS ROOTS BY LIVING IN THE SOUTH OF FRANCE RATHER THAN LIVING IN THE SOUTH OF GREAT BRITAIN? OH, THAT IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. I WOULDN'T HAVE EVER SETTLED HERE IF I HADN'T REALIZED THAT MY WRITING CAREER WAS COMING TO AN END. I DON'T THINK A WRITING CAREER EVER COMES TO AN END. IT HAS</i> COME TO AN END. I WILL BELIEVE THAT WHEN I SEE IT. DO YOU EVER SUFFER FROM SELF DOUBT, OR DO YOU KNOW FROM THE BEGINNING THAT YOU CAN DO JUST WHAT YOU WANT? OH NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, THE FIRST WRITING IS UNSATISFACTORY AND I WRITE IT AGAIN. I GENERALLY WRITE IT THREE TIMES UNTIL I'VE REACHED A POINT WHERE I SAY TO MYSELF IT MAY BE ALL WRONG BUT IT'S THE BEST I CAN DO. AND YOU DO THIS BY HAND? ALL BY HAND. WHEN YOU WERE AT THE HEIGHT OF YOUR OUTPUT DID YOU ENJOY WRITING FICTION AS MUCH AS WRITING THEATER, FOR EXAMPLE? YES, I THINK SO. DO YOU KNOW, IT WAS AWFULLY HARD IN THOSE DAYS TO GET A PLAY PRODUCED - I'M SPEAKING OF FIFTY YEARS AGO AND MORE BECAUSE THE THEATER WAS IN THE HANDS OF THREE OR FOUR MEN WHO WROTE A PLAY ONE EVERY YEAR AND FOR AN OUTSIDER TO COME IN WAS, WELL, EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. BUT YOU DIDN'T REMAIN AN OUTSIDER FOR LONG. WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS I'D WRITTEN PLAYS THAT NO MANAGER WOULD ACCEPT AND THEN WHEN I WAS 34 ONE OF THESE PLAYS WAS ACCEPTED BY PURE ACCIDENT. INSTEAD OF LASTING FOR SIX WEEKS IT LASTED OVER A YEAR AND WITHIN THREE OR FOUR MONTHS I HAD FOUR PLAYS RUNNING IN LONDON. WHICH IS YOUR FAVORITE AMONG THEM? OH, CERTAINLY THE CIRCLE</i><i> </i>AND I STILL THINK IT'S THE BEST PLAY I WROTE AND I THINK THE PUBLIC IN GENERAL ARE AGREED ON THAT POINT. IF YOU LIKE WRITING PLAYS SO MUCH WHY DID YOU STOP WRITING THEM? WELL, I DIDN'T STOP UNTIL I WAS SIXTY YEARS OLD, YOU MUST REMEMBER, AND I'D COME TO A CONCLUSION THAT PLAYS DEPEND LARGELY - I MEAN, THE SORT OF PLAYS I WAS WRITING ARE PLAYS DESIGNED TO INTEREST AND AMUSE - DEPEND ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE DAY AND THAT MEANS THAT IN ORDER TO WRITE THEM YOU HAVE TO LIVE THE LIFE OF THE DAY. WELL, AT THE AGE OF SIXTY I FELT I COULDN'T AND SO I DECIDED TO WRITE FOUR MORE PLAYS AND STOP, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I DID. YOU'VE KNOWN WHAT'S CALLED "EVERYBODY" ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ATLANTIC, AND I SUPPOSE ALL OVER THE WORLD, FOR A LONG TIME. ARE THERE ANY OF YOUR CONTEMPORARY WRITERS THAT YOU LOOK BACK TO WITH SPECIAL ADMIRATION? FOR EXAMPLE, MAX BEERBOHM OR ARNOLD BENNETT OR KIPLING? WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CERTAIN SPACE BETWEEN ADMIRATION AND AFFECTION. AND I ADMIRED RUDYARD KIPLING VERY MUCH BUT I CAN'T SAY I HAD ANY AFFECTION FOR HIM AND I THINK ITS REALLY TRAGIC NOW IN POLITICAL CIRCUMSTANCES HE'S ENTIRELY NEGLECTED. AS PERHAPS YOU KNOW A LITTLE WHILE AGO HIS DAUGHTER WAS UPSET BECAUSE NO ONE IS BUYING HIS BOOKS ANYMORE AND ASKED ME IF I WOULD MAKE A SELECTION OF HIS BEST STORIES AND WRITE A PREFACE. I DID THAT AND I DID PUT IN A NUMBER OF STORIES WHICH ARE EXTREMELY READABLE BUT NOBODY WOULD READ THEM. AND IT'S POLITICAL AFFAIR. YOU SEE, HE IS AN IMPERIALIST. IMPERIALISM IS OUT OF FASHION NOW BUT HE IS THE BEST SHORT STORY WRITER THAT EITHER ENGLAND OR THE UNITED STATES HAVE PRODUCED, AND EVENTUALLY HE MUST COME BACK. AT LEAST HE HAS STRONG SUPPORT FROM YOURSELF AND FROM T.S. ELIOT AND THAT GIVES HIS REPUTATION SOMETHING TO RELY ON. AND NOW SHOULD WE TALK ABOUT MAX BEERBOHM FOR A MOMENT? WELL, HE WAS ALSO AN OLD FRIEND BUT HE, AS YOU KNOW, PRODUCED EXTREMELY LITTLE. THE LAST TIME I SAW HIM JUST BEFORE HE DIED HE SAID TO ME "I LOVE TO DRAW, BUT TO WRITE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A TORTURE TO ME". DID YOU FIND HIS CONVERSATION VERY AMUSING? HE WAS CHARMING, HE WASN'T AWFULLY AMUSING, HE WAS CHARMING. AND HOW ABOUT SOME OF THE AMERICAN WRITERS FOR EXAMPLE, SINCLAIR LEWIS... YOU MUST HAVE KNOWN HIM VERY WELL, DIDN'T YOU? I DID INDEED. HE WAS AN INTIMATE FRIEND OF MINE AND I'D KNOWN HIM FOR YEARS. HE USED TO COME TO LONDON A GOOD DEAL AND, OH, HE WOULD LUNCH ME PERHAPS TWO OR THREE TIMES A WEEK AND HE WAS AWFULLY GOOD COMPANY. AND EVENTUALLY OF COURSE HE RETURNED TO THE UNITED STATES AND WHEN HE ARRIVED IN NEW YORK THE REPORTERS ALL CAME ON BOARD AND ASKED HIM WHAT HE THOUGHT ABOUT ENGLAND. AND HE SAID, "WELL, THE ENGLISH NOVELISTS ARE LOUSY AND THEIR COCKTAILS ARE WARM". WELL, I DIDN'T IN THE LEAST MIND HIS SAYING THAT THE NOVELISTS WERE LOUSY BUT I DID RESENT HIS SAYING THE COCKTAILS WERE WARM BECAUSE HE HAD DRUNK A GREAT MANY IN MY HOUSE WITH, AS FAR AS I COULD JUDGE, A GREAT APPRECIATION. EVER MOVE MUCH AMONG PAINTERS? WELL, I HAVE LIVED AMONG PAINTERS, BUT OF COURSE YEARS AND YEARS AGO, AND I'VE HAD MY PORTRAIT PAINTED AND SCULPTURED OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL I'M BLUE IN THE FACE AND I ENJOY THEIR COMPANY. THE TROUBLE OF COURSE WITH SOME CONTEMPORARY PAINTERS IS THAT THEY MAY MAKE ONE LITERALLY BLUE IN THE FACE. YOU'VE GOT A LOVELY PORTRAIT ON THE OTHER HAND, HAVEN'T YOU, OF GRAHAM SUTHERLAND'S? YES. THAT WAS A GOOD ONE AND, OH, SEVERAL PAINTERS. SIR GERALD KELLY DID A LOVELY ONE OF YOU. YES, THAT IS A GOOD ONE. I WONDER IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO TELL YOU ABOUT MARIE LAURENCIN WHO WROTE TO ME ONE DAY AND SAID TO ME "I'D LIKE TO PAINT A PORTRAIT OF YOU" AND I WROTE BACK AND SAID I'D BE EXTREMELY FLATTERED BUT I THOUGHT I OUGHT TO REMIND HER THAT I WASN'T A YOUNG MAN WITH GREAT SLOE-LIKE EYES AND BIG CHEEKS AND A RED MOUTH BUT AN OLD GENTLEMAN WITH WRINKLES. TO WHICH SHE ANSWERED "I DON'T MIND ABOUT THE WRINKLES BUT DON'T COME IN A COAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PAINT A COAT". AND SO I WENT IN A DRESSING GOWN AND I SAT FOR FOUR DAYS AND SHE TOLD ME THE WHOLE STORY OF HER LIFE AND I HAD A WONDERFUL TIME AND AT THE END SHE LOOKED AT THE CANVAS AND SHE SAID "YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ALWAYS COMPLAIN THAT MY PORTRAITS AREN'T LIKE THE CITY'S AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW LITTLE I CARE". AND SHE TOOK THE CANVAS OFF THE EASEL AND SAID "THERE'S A PRESENT FOR YOU". AND I HAVE IT HERE UPSTAIRS ONLY SHE PAINTED A YOUNG MAN WITH BEAUTIFUL BLACK EYES, A WHITE COMPLEXION AND RED LIPS. THE PICTURE OF CHARLES STRICKLAND WHICH YOU GAVE IN THE MOON AND SIXPENCE</i><i> </i>SUGGESTS THAT YOU KNOW A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THE PROCESSES OF PAINTING. HAVE YOU EVER PAINTED YOURSELF? NO, NO, AND I HAVEN'T GOT ANY GIFTS IN THAT DIRECTION AT ALL. HAVE YOU FOUND THAT YOUR TASTE ALTERED MUCH WITH THE YEARS? THAT'S TO SAY PEOPLE LIKE PICASSO AND SO FORTH? ENORMOUSLY. I REMEMBER THAT FIFTY YEARS AGO - MORE - I WAS IN PARIS AND I WAS TAKEN BY GERALD KELLY, WHO AFTERWARDS BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE ROYAL ACADEMY, TO SEE THE FIRST COLLECTION OF THE FRENCH IMPRESSIONISTS. AND WE LOOKED AT THEM AND I FOUND THEM ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE AND I COULDN'T IMAGINE HOW ANYONE COULD THINK THAT THAT WAS GOOD PAINTING. AND THEN THE YEARS PASSED ONE BY ONE, EVERYONE GOT USED TO THEM AND SAW THEIR ORIGINALITY AND THEIR BEAUTY AND ONE THING OR ANOTHER AND I HAVE SEVERAL OF THEM IN THE HOUSE NOW. HOW ABOUT MUSIC? DOES THAT MEAN A GREAT DEAL TO YOU? I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD HONESTLY SAY A GREAT DEAL. I LIKE TO LISTEN TO MUSIC. I'M PARTICULARLY FOND OF OPERA AND I HAVE MY FAVORITE OPERAS AND I THINK MY FAVORITE OPERA OF ALL IS DIE MEISTERSINGER</i> AND I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DIE TO THE STRAINS OF THE LAST ACT. LOVELY, LOVELY MUSIC; ENCHANTING MUSIC. LOOKING ROUND THE WHOLE OF LIFE AS WE'VE BEEN DOING, GOING FROM ONE THING TO ANOTHER, ARE YOU CONSCIOUS OF ANY GREAT GAP? I REMEMBER ONCE HAROLD NICHOLSON SAYING TO ME THAT HE VERY MUCH REGRETTED HE HAD NEVER KNOWN ANYTHING ABOUT SPORT. I REMEMBER YOUR BEING VERY GOOD AT TENNIS. FAIRLY GOOD, FAIRLY GOOD. I LEFT IT OFF BECAUSE I USED TO HAVE THE SEMI-PROS WHO USED TO COME FROM MONTE CARLO AND THEY LIKED TO COME BECAUSE THEY GOT GOOD TEA AND DRINKS AND I HEARD ONE OF THEM SAY TO ANOTHER "CONSIDERING HIS AGE HE DOESN'T PLAY AT ALL A BAD GAME" AND I SAID TO MYSELF "THAT ISN'T ENOUGH". AND SO FROM THAT DAY ON I NEVER PLAYED A GAME. WHAT DO YOU THINK HAS BROUGHT YOU THE GREATEST HAPPINESS - TRAVEL, OR PEOPLE, OR IDEAS OR YOUR WORK? OH NO. ALTHOUGH I'VE LIKED A GOOD MANY PEOPLE, I'VE DISLIKED A GOOD MANY MORE, AND MY GREATEST SATISFACTION IS TO THINK OF A STORY AND WRITE IT AS I WANT TO SEE IT IN MY MIND'S EYE. COULD YOU GIVE ANY ADVICE TO A YOUNG WRITER AT ALL TO HELP HIM DO SOMETHING OF THE SAME SORT? OH, I COULD CERTAINLY. I SHOULD SAY THROW YOURSELF INTO THE HURLY-BURLY OF LIFE. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY MISTAKES YOU MAKE. WHAT UNHAPPINESS YOU HAVE TO UNDERGO, IT'S ALL YOUR MATERIAL. BUT WOULD YOU ADVISE HIM TO DO SOMETHING LIKE JOINING A SCHOOL OF CREATIVE WRITING? OH, NO, THAT'S THE FARTHEST THING I'D ADVISE HIM TO DO. I THINK HIS SCHOOL IS LIFE. I SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT, I AGREE, TO LEARN IN A SCHOOL OF CREATIVE WRITING, BUT THEY DO EXIST, THESE SCHOOLS. I KNOW THEY DO, ALL OVER THE PLACE. I BELIEVE THEM TO BE ENTIRELY USELESS. AND YOU'D THINK THAT THE WRITER OUGHT TO BE A FAIRLY WELL-LIVED CHARACTER. I MEAN, HE OUGHT NOT TO SHUT HIMSELF UP. OH, CERTAINLY NOT. THEY WRITE TO ME ALL THE TIME ASKING ME FOR ADVICE AND I ALWAYS GIVE THE SAME ANSWER: DON'T WAIT FOR EXPERIENCE TO COME TO YOU, GO OUT AFTER EXPERIENCE. YOUR EXPERIENCE IS YOUR MATERIAL. WHEN YOU TURN BACK TOWARDS THE GREAT NOVEL WRITERS OF THE PAST, HAVE YOU BEEN ON THE WHOLE FAIRLY FAITHFUL TO ONE OR TWO OF THEM? LET'S SAY VOLTAIRE OR GOETHE WHOM I KNOW YOU ADMIRE VERY MUCH. WELL, YOU KNOW, VOLTAIRE IS AN EXTRAORDINARY INTERESTING EXAMPLE OF THE FATE OF A WRITER. HE WROTE REAMS AND REAMS OF STUFF AND HE LIVES ON ONE SORT OF NOVEL THAT HE WROTE. EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN. YOU'RE THINKING OF CANDIDE,</i> I SUPPOSE. YES, A CHARMING LITTLE NOVEL. DIDN'T YOU WRITE SOMEWHERE THAT BEFORE YOU STARTED ON A NOVEL YOU ALWAYS RE-READ CANDIDE?</i> I MAY HAVE SAID THAT. I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE AND THERE WAS PROBABLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRUTH IN IT. I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED UPON IT AS AN ENCHANTING LITTLE BOOK, EXTREMELY HUMOROUS AND FULL OF GOOD SENSE AND HUMAN NATURE. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE GREAT RUSSIANS - TOLSTOY, SAY, OR DOSTOEVSKY? WELL, I SUPPOSE EVERYBODY AGREES THAT THE BEST NOVEL THAT HAS EVER BEEN WRITTEN IS TOLSTOY'S WAR AND PEACE.</i> IT WAS A COLOSSAL NOVEL, IT TOOK HIM YEARS TO WRITE AND HIS UNFORTUNATE WIFE HAD TO WRITE IT OUT IN LONG HAND SEVEN TIMES. SHE FREQUENTLY TRIED TO COMMIT SUICIDE BUT SHE DIDN'T SUCCEED. IT'S ONLY NATURAL IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES. DO YOU STILL GET PLEASURE OUT OF THESE GREAT MASTERPIECES? NO, BUT LOOK, I CAN'T GO ON READING THEM. I'VE READ ALL THE GREAT NOVELS OF THE WORLD PERHAPS THREE OR FOUR TIMES AND THE ONLY ONE NOW I CONTINUE TO READ IS PROUST. I SUPPOSE HE IS ALMOST INEXHAUSTIBLE. INEXHAUSTIBLE. IT'S FUNNY HE'S HAD NO INFLUENCE ON WRITING IN ENGLISH. OH, NONE WHATEVER. HE WAS A UNIQUE CREATURE, A RATHER UNPLEASANT MAN, I SHOULD THINK, BUT AN EXTRAORDINARILY INTERESTING WRITER. ARE THERE OTHER WRITERS WHO WERE QUITE UNLIKE YOURSELF WHO YOU ALSO ESTEEM? WELL, I SUPPOSE YOU'RE REFERRING TO HENRY JAMES... THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. ...WHOM I USED TO KNOW AND LIKED, AND I DO ADMIRE HIM BUT I DON'T THINK HE KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT LIFE WHATEVER. DID HE TALK AS HE WRITES? EXACTLY, YES, EXACTLY. IT MUST HAVE BEEN RATHER A TRYING EXPERIENCE SOMETIMES. I THINK WRITERS WHO, UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY'RE WRITING A NOVEL WRITE SOCIAL DOCUMENTS, ARE EXTREMELY MISTAKEN. YES, I SEE THAT. YOU ARE INCLUDING SOME OF THE MOST DISTINGUISHED WRITERS OF OUR TIME. EXACTLY, YES. BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO WRITE IS GOING TO BE OUT OF DATE IN AN EXTREMELY SHORT WHILE. ONE OF THE HOPES OF EVERY AUTHOR WHO HAS WRITTEN A GREAT DEAL I SHOULD SAY WAS TO HOPE THAT HE WON'T BE ENTIRELY FORGOTTEN AFTER HIS DEATH, AND THE SOCIAL DOCUMENT IS AN ENTIRELY EPHEMERAL BUSINESS. DO YOU LOOK ON YOURSELF AS A WRITER WHO TEACHES PEOPLE OR AS A WRITER WHO OBSERVES THEM? I MEAN, DO YOU FEEL, SO TO SPEAK, DETACHED FROM THE EFFECT OF YOUR BOOKS OR DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A CERTAIN SPECIFIC IMPACT ON THE PEOPLE WHO READ THEM? OH, I DON'T THINK SO. I WRITE TO - I THINK I'VE ALWAYS WRITTEN TO INTEREST AND AMUSE MYSELF, AND AS TO TEACHING PEOPLE IT HASN'T EVER ENTERED MY HEAD FOR A MINUTE. BUT YOU PROBABLY HAVE TAUGHT THEM WITHOUT MEANING TO. FOR EXAMPLE, A BOOK LIKE THE</i> RAZOR'S EDGE,</i> I SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT WAS A KIND OF TEACHING BOOK. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU MAKE SOME WONDERFUL COMMENTS ON LIFE IN THE COURSE OF IT. I'M GLAD YOU THINK LIKE THAT. I WROTE IT BECAUSE IT PLEASED ME TO WRITE IT AND THE HERO OF THAT PARTICULAR BOOK IS CALLED LARRY AND SINCE THEN I'VE HAD HUNDREDS OF LETTERS FROM PEOPLE ASKING ME TO MEET HIM. HOW FASCINATING. TALKING ABOUT THIS MATTER OF TEACHING, DID YOU FORM A PATTERN OF LIFE? DID YOU DECIDE HOW YOUR LIFE OUGHT TO BE ORGANIZED, FOR EXAMPLE, FROM THE VERY WORD GO? OH, I DON'T THINK THAT. I LOOK UPON MYSELF AS A SLAVE OF ACCIDENTS. AND AS I LOOK BACK I'M APPALLED AT ALL THE MISTAKES I'VE MADE AT LIFE... TERRIBLE MISTAKES ALL THE TIME, AND THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING A WRITER IS THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO USE ALL YOUR MISTAKES FOR COPY. BUT IF YOU LOOK FORWARD NOW TO THE YEARS WHICH LIE AHEAD, WHAT SORT OF PLANS DO YOU HAVE FOR THEM? WELL, YOU SEE, AT MY VERY ADVANCED AGE I KNOW THAT I HAVEN'T GOT VERY MUCH LONGER TO LIVE AND I FEEL THAT MY LIFE HANGS ON A THREAD AND THE THREAD MAY BREAK ANY MOMENT. WELL, I'M PERFECTLY RESIGNED TO THAT AND SO FAR AS THE FUTURE'S CONCERNED I WANT TO LIVE THE SORT OF LIFE I LIVE NOW. THIS WAS A CONVERSATION BETWEEN W. SOMERSET MAUGHAM,
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