Season of Discovery Phase 2 DPS Tier List | Speculative Edition

what's up guys it's your boy Java Monkey J and today I am bringing you a phase 2 preis DPS tier list for season of Discovery with the level cap going from 25 to level 40 and new abilities being unlocked as well as new talents I wanted to see if the meta was going to be shaken up a bit from the current melee heavy meta we have now in phase one of season of Discovery and what better way to do that than getting a bunch of friends together to Theory craft each spec and pin them against each other in a tier list so before we get started with this speculative tier list obviously we have no idea what runes will be coming out but this is based on everything we currently know about what the future holds for the game including gearing resistances game mechanics Talent points spell rankings and phase one logs again if you don't like speculation hey this video is not for you now I did pull a ton of high ranking players to talk about our thoughts and opinions so I think this will serve as a great Baseline to go off off of before runes are implemented so if you're wanting to gauge what class might be best or if you should play a certain spec this video will hopefully help you choose if you just love Theory crafting you love talking about wow you're in the right spot so with that out of the way please like and comment if you enjoyed the video we just hit 1,262 subs and that is so so awesome I appreciate the support so much okay let's get into it the first major roadblock for next phase in regards to pre-bis ranking of all specs in the entire game is what raid will we be doing and how many players will be needed to do it we know the raid will be no moreone and we aren't so sure that 20 mans will exist but I really hope that they do 10man kind of makes support specs obsolete there's just not enough room for them and it seems to give quite a bit of power to melee Focus teams so I really hope that 20 to 25 man teams are going to be be the way forward after Phase 1 but since we know the next raid will be ner there's a couple of details that might Shake Up The Meta a little bit Mechanicals are a huge part of nomer and because of this several specs will see a huge damage loss Mechanicals are immune to bleeds poisons and also immune to draining effects this puts classes like arms Warrior and assassination Rogue at a big disadvantage because they are known more for their damage capabilities using poisons or bleeds and not so much for their utility other classes like Affliction Warlock and FAL Druid also take huge hits because of these immunities but still will be in a decent spot because of their utility and what they can bring so with those major points in mind let's go ahead and get right into our tier list let's get the meme specs out of the way first starting with frost Mage Frost Mage will stay at the bottom of the meters but will absolutely dominate in PvP they don't bring utility they don't bring a ton of damage and you simply won't be bringing them to raid sorry boys and for that reason Frost mage is going to get an F tier they weren't in a great spot in phase one and they will continue to be not in a great spot for PVE in Phase 2 PVP completely different story and for the same reason you won't be bringing a frost Mage you also will not be bringing a subtlety Rogue at this point subtlety Rogue is pretty much a joke there isn't really a spec that uses a lot of subtlety talents so subtlety will continue to be in the F tier moving forward after that our second to last meme spec is going to be survival Hunter and actually no one really plays Survival Hunter because it doesn't have a lot of damage talents baked into it but there are a ton of defensive talents in survival Hunter so for that reason I'm really hoping that blizzard in Phase 2 takes the opportunity to make survival Hunter a a tanking class I think it would be so awesome if you've never seen survival Hunter never really taken a look at them take a look at these talents that look like tanking abilities they get increased Parry chance they get increased Total Health they get deterrence counter attack if they got like a tank stance that could give them Health from agility and the ability to use traps in combat I think Hunter tank could be completely viable I'm just saying think about it blizzard and now that F tier is out of the way let's start with casters casters were in a really tough spot this last phase making up a majority of the bottom of the meters casters will need to see some big Buffs to be competitive in PVE damage they do bring some great Buffs and offer good utility so that will always be a good Plus for casters but I think for the most part if we don't see 20 plus man nomer casters will still unfortunately see not very good damage numbers again casters will continue to not play a very big role in The Meta and their damage numbers are just going to be okay again and the reason for that is largely because casters need a lot of support roles to be really good which just aren't available in a 10-man team but if you want to learn more about the current state of cters check out my previous video as it will explain a lot about the future of casters and their issues that that video will be linked down below moving on let's get into what I think will be the weakest of the casters which makes me very sad to say because I am a huge believer in both of these specs and I really hope I am just wrong as can be but alock I think is going to be in D tier I have played AFF loock since I started playing wow back when I was a kid in Wrath I played AFF loock in classic I tried playing AFF loock in sod and it just makes me so sad to say in PVE alock will basically be not viable again like I said earlier a lot of damage comes from drain life which won't be usable on Mechanicals and even though alock gets an additional 10% Shadow damage increase from their tree as well as great abilities like siphon life it just isn't enough to bring them up in damage AF will likely transition to a support role where we are spamming shadowbolts to apply improved shadowbolt and running demonic Packa and tactics to give our other Caster homies an additional 20 plus spell power that is if any of the Caster homies actually will be doing damage however that 20% increased Shadow bolt damage will be real nice for our next class s priest and while in Phase One S priest was in a really bad spot if you don't know they actually were spamming Smite due to Shadow resistance and an inability to get meaningful talents right now they actually really start coming online next phase they get great talents like Shadow weaving which will increase Shadow vulnerability on bosses by 15% they also get vampiric Embrace and dark Ness vampiric Embrace is a great off healing ability and darkness is just a flat 10% damage increase from Shadow abilities their biggest gain this next phase is Shadow form 15% increase Shadow damage across the board so big plus their runes right now are crazy strong void plague hits harder than corruption right now and Shadow war death is literally critting for 1K plus and it's an instant cast actually nuts plus they will probably be running homunculi so melee will be happy the only bad thing about s priest is some of their main damage spells have very bad spell rankings as far as spell rankings go which are critical for casters s priest gets a level 40 mind blast they get a level 36 devouring plague a level 36 mind FL and a level 34 Shadow word pain while they bring great utility I unfortunately don't see them doing a ton of damage due to their spell ranks and if nomer is a 10 man well s priest will certainly be in the dumpster and likely will find their spot right next to AF warlock in D tier however if the rate is 20 plus man utility A and S priest will have great Synergy and they might collectively be in B tier but right now they're both D with an asterisk that says I really freaking hope I'm wrong so moving on let's stay with casters and go to Mage we know Frost is in the toilet but fire right now in phase one is actually popping off fire does insane damage with burnout Synergy living flame and living bomb and don't be fooled by the these logs okay casters are still garbage in Phase One currently people are cheesing the droplets on the last boss and since fire Mage is cheesing logs we don't respect people that cheese logs therefore fire Mage gets in the B tier they bring Scorch spam utility which is great for destr loocks and they will be Scorch spamming because they also get a level 40 Scorch they unfortunately get shafted on their main damage dealer Fireball which only gets a level 36 spell Rank and despite their addition of other talents like combustion critical m and Firepower I just think their damage will still be me there isn't any crit gear from casters from level 25 to 40 which made wants a ton of crit wherever possible due to ignite and for pre- raid B they will rely on Raw fire spell power that has a lack of int so you'll be forced to choose between doing damage and actually having the Mana to do the damage fire will be meh as it is right now and again don't let these meters fool you this is not real fire Mage currently is B tier it will stay B tier but don't don't worry if you play Mage because Arcane will be a closet a tier spec for mage no one sees this coming but it's coming Arcane gets insane spells from their tree like Arcane power presence of Mind Arcane meditation and Arcane mind their Mana problems literally vanish next phase and their main damage ability is on a rune so they get automatic scaling on that ability which is Arcane blast they also get the Regeneration Rune option for off healing speed runs if they need to and they can also switch this R out for just more damage and burnout or if Enlightenment becomes viable big damage flexibility utility Arcane Mage is going to pump a tier class and maybe even our Darkhorse s tier but to move on to a very boring a tier pick let's talk about Destro warlock Destro warlock is very good compared to other Casters in phase one they have two of their main damage dealing spells on ruins so they get that automatic scaling that we have talked about incinerate and Chaos Bolt only get more Synergy as Destro hits 40 they pick up big big talents like runin flat plus fire damage improved emulate and an instant cast can flag all great talents nothing backbreaking just normal Destro doing solid Destro damage Destro also gets a level 40 emulate so Destro warlock will be being chilling a tier Caster however Destro will still probably just be lower upper pack for overall damage getting beat out by melee classes this is the safest a of my life and with that we have ranked all of our Caster DPS in our tier list and wait is is someone knocking at my door elemental shaman you might think it's F tier because this phase they literally did less damage than a shadow priest slamming smites you might think that they're D tier because they literally have an RNG mechanic that they rely on to do little dick damage you might think think that they're c-tier because you can't see them coming you might think that they're B tier because there can be no other competition against these Rising gods and you just might think that they are a tier because there ain't no way I'm getting gaed by an elemental shaman in a game made for melee classes to be number one damage but you'd be wrong every single time elemental shaman s tier next phase Elemental Mastery lightning Mastery storm reach Call of Thunder combine these bad boys with ruins like overload lava burst and shamanistic rage homies it's j not to mention look at these spell rankings level 40 chain lightning level 40 seing totem level 40 flame shock level 38 lightning bolt Shaman this phas become middle of the pack Caster I mean Greek gods of the elements that they were born to be S tier oh uh I legitimately did forget about boomkin um Boomin um C tier stay humble boys moonin form is great good good utility massive W for all casters great buff star surge does benefit from both your wrath and your star fire abilities so Moonfire Moonglow Vengeance they're all going to buff your one ability that is actually kind of decent Big W however the bottom of your tree besides Moon conform looks a lot like the Destro tree and Destro does everything you can do but better they just don't bring 3% crit saying this boomkin will still stay dog water star surge going to hit hard as though staying on that world PVP grind and thanks for buffing casters so we hit harder Boomin is a niche utility spec tell me how I'm wrong in the comments and I'll tell you how you've played yourself at the character selection screen so now let's move on to melee overall in Phase One melee straight up kicked the out of casters they did more damage and melee naturally synergized with other melee so in groups of 10 in a raid setting naturally the best comps drifted to melee Focus ones because why bring one Mage in one warlock to buff the other casters when they literally just do limpic damage we have to wait for them them to get mana and they don't have 100% uptime because of how strong melee are and how much stronger they get likely Phase 2 will again be melee dominant unless spellcasters get adjustments to their spell rankings or get really powerful runes or we see drastic changes to raid encounters like things that add downtime for melee or maybe even big armor Buffs to bosses to reduce melee Effectiveness saying this most melee will do more damage than casters it's just how this version of the game works right now currently the only hindrance we know of in no more will be the mechanical debuff which we covered earlier and this puts both arms and assassination in a pretty bad spot a large amount of arms damage comes from Deep wounds procs and a large amount of assassination damage comes from their poisons as well as saber slash that acts like a bleed saying this even though both of these classes get a fat l in the form of Gomer they will likely still be doing more damage than both AF and S priest again hopefully I'm wrong assassination will likely be B tier being that they have options outside of poisons and bleeds likely running the backstab build which still does great damage and they can even run utility like exposed armor arms on the other hand is much more affected by the bleed immunity and while this debuff is a huge hindrance on what their damage will be they have so many great talents and do so much Baseline damage without it if we look at Phase One to subtract bleed damage from their overall damage they would still out DPS Destro warlocks the highest dpsing Caster classes on legitimate logs arms Warrior C tier and it's only that low because the alternate spec you could play as Warrior is just so much better Fury Warrior completely comes online next phase and if you thought the warrior Gap was bad now just wait Warriors rage problem has almost completely been solved with endless rage and with the additional Talent points Warriors get at 40 Fury can officially come online to be the best spec for the remainder of the game Death Wish flurry improved Berserker bloodthirst improve slam Warriors become God's next phas and everyone else becomes a peasant the only question we have for Fury Warriors is what broken ruin are they going to get that will further push them into the stratosphere will it be Titan's grip will it be heroic leap I don't know tell me Below in the comments Fury Warrior by far s tier speaking of gods amongst men marksmen will not only do Insane damage but now they will have utility that will be mandatory for each and every raid if Fury Warriors are Gods then Marksman is God God's gift to God himself true shot Ora will be mandatory for your melee stack and with talents like ranged weapon mortal shot barrage Hunters are just going to be doing even more damage than they currently are Marksman will be SED here because they will have great damage and mandatory utility in a melee meta coming in as the second best hunter spec only because they don't have true shot Aura The Beastmaster Hunter will also be an absolute monster Beast Master comes in at a very strong a tier pets right now in season of Discovery do crazy damage and likely they will continue to be forces to be reckoned with especially so with BM Hunters who get ferocity beastial discipline frenzy and beastial wrath if you thought these guys did insane damage just wait BM might even do more damage than Marksman it's just that Marksman also brings true shot AA that Buffs your whole party bm's damage will be absolutely huge but they will lack utility that keeps them out of the S tier BM is a very solid a tier spec and speaking of utility let's talk about the ultimate utility spec right now in Phase One FAL Druid FAL Druid brings in the absolutely huge buff that is wind Fury likely Druids will continue to bring value to the raid with this huge buff for melee and if melee is meta which it likely will be feral Druid will again be mandatory to bring to raid at least for your melee groups and despite feral being almost mandatory there their damage is going to suffer greatly next phase most of their damage relies on bleed effects from mangle rake and rip Combos and because of this frell is going to see a massive drop in damage in Noma raade however FAL Druid does get access to some pretty cool talents this phase talents like Savage Fury heart of the wild predatory strikes and fairy fire are incredibly huge for FAL however while they see a huge damage Spike the immunities of Noma will mitigate the majority of these increases I think while Pharaoh will do great PVP for PVE this phase pH will likely be diminished to strictly a support roll or tank roll where the main reason you bring them is for the mandatory wild strikes buff and fury fire s tier because of the Buffs C tier damage they are still a melee class after all a very low a tier final decision but let me know if you agree below all right boys second to last but not second to least we have the alpha Rogue spec combat combat is going to be nuts next pH days Rogue already does hella damage this spec will take the spot of the saber slash build but instead of running saber slash You'll Play Around mutilate or some other ruin in this slot combat gets access to Adrenaline Rush aggression and blade Fury which is just going to let you be the white hit and melee combo Point spending King they're going to do absolutely insane burst damage especially on their openers Combat Rogue doesn't rely on poisons or bleeds to do their damage so they won't be affected by immunities they will easily be top tier damage again but since they provide almost zero utility I am going to bring them down to a tier very strong DPS and last and kind of least to be honest we have the least impressive melee DPS of season of Discovery so far R Paladin in Phase One Rhett launched off with crazy DPS insane burst but over time they just haven't scaled well they are monsters in PvP but in PVE they just don't do a lot they are the worst of the melee DPS and in phase too unfortunately I don't see this changing much while wck gets really strong talents like Vengeance two-handed specialization and conviction I don't see these talents being enough to launch them into the middle of the paack for melee DPS other melee DPS just get way more impactful talents and Rhett doesn't they really need a great run to be competitive in damage with other melee and while they don't bring a great amount of damage they still do have a good amount of utility light be with you brother in C tier R Palin is going to suck change my mind and there you have it folks this is my full tier list for Phase 2 in pre- biss not counting their runes that at the making of this video don't exist yet this is my prediction again this is all in good fun good speculation Theory crafting so I could be right could be wrong only time will tell let me know what you guys think about this list below let me hear your wild Rune ideas about your favorite class in the comment section let's talk about it did I get something wrong is there something you disagree with let me know below I've been Java Monkey J you can catch me streaming on Twitch my other links are below don't forget to like And subscribe and I will see you guys in the comments peace

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Published: Thu Jan 18 2024