Sandy Munro On Next-Generation EV Technology: Tesla, Solid State Batteries, MegaCastings, VTOLS, Q&A

hello thanks for joining our virtual conference on ev engineering i'm chris from charge we're thrilled to welcome back sandy monroe for the keynote session on next generation eevee technologies sandy also presented two great keynote sessions at our september conference one comparing 10 leading ev motors and another comparing tesla's inverter technology versus other bevs you can find both of those presentations uh on our website so if you missed them i encourage you to go watch them we got a lot of great feedback uh also at the end of this session we'll have a live q a so click the q a button at the bottom of your screen to submit a question for sandy at any point uh the slides will also be available to download and we will post a link in the chat box uh to the pdf of the slides and we'll also post links uh to sandy's two september sessions there so you can find them there as well so without further further ado please welcome sandy morrell welcome well ladies and gentlemen thank you again charge tv for for bringing me on board to give another speech on what i think might be worthwhile so first off my name is sandy monroe i'm with monroe associates and what i'm going to do is i'm going to give you an eevee outlook on what i think next generation technology opportunities are i will tell you that i'm only going to be talking about four the growth of mega castings new battery technologies solid state hydrogen blah blah and also vtols um i'm really not going to go into things that i think are are really important but beyond my kin and that is the uh what i see is the next generation of real growth and that's going to be strictly into the um into the cad sorry not the cad but into the software development that we're going to need for for all of the next generation vehicles um so i would like to start here at the beginning and the beginning basically for mega castings is this baby right here this is the original mega casting that came out inside the model y that we tore down which was early in 2019 this was as far as i was concerned a dramatic step forward but it was just the beginning the mega casting on the model y head over got rid of over 70 stamp parts off the model 3. there were hundreds of fastening operations that they got rid of a whole bunch of assembly steps 14 stations i believe complete with robots and complicated fixtures that's one-sixth of the whole model three tesla shop that disappeared when they went to this mega casting that was sensational but it was just the beginning so the first thing you need to know is the guys who make the machine the giga press that would be idra idra was founded in 1946 it's well known in the industry as being a really good supplier of very excellent machinery they had to do some modifications in order to make the mega casting work they installed it at the tesla fremont plant and also in shanghai there's more coming but those are the ones that they started off with it's big and the aluminum alloy shot that it uses about 104 kilograms which is about 231 pounds this is a really sensational machine but it was only the beginning this is what the material looks like many people have said many things most of them didn't do their own checking but we did so what we found was that this is an a 386 material 386 material is is something that not too many people use we found that there was extra ingredients in this that made it so that it would be quite a bit better for for molding and as uh has been mentioned several times it takes milliseconds to fill up that mold then six months ago we got a little note from mr musk saying we'll be amazed to see this operation and what he was talking about was not a single casting but a double casting a double casting that was shot on a next generation and the next generation of the ida press unbelievable this getting rid of these two parts and all the little connecting parts that were in between it that eliminated another 90 of the operations that had to be done in order to put this thing into place that was uh that was then 6 000 tons i never even knew that there was that big a press that could be manufactured now what you're looking at is the front the center and the rear of the what we would call the platform the car the cars platform that never was done before no one's done this this is amazing everyone is maybe toyed around a little bit but nobody has ever come up with anything like this i was blown away and then the cyber truck news we'll need to order some more equipment to make the cyber truck that's what elon said well guess what this is what it's looking at an 8 000 ton mega casting uh sorry mega press that that machine is absolutely huge huge 8 000 tons nobody has ever even proposed such a thing so i think that there's many people that are watching here that are actually technically inclined and may may want to try and help their cus company out a bit so um ricardo ferrero he was the guy who basically made the announcement telling everybody that um that the hydra press the first of this technology has ever come out he did that in march 16 this year now i can tell you that if you really want to get into contact information you might want to talk to mr stokes's his email address is right there but for the rest of you for everybody that really wants to see a good video go to the youtube video that's on the bottom of the screen here download it get it get a chance to look at 45 minutes of pure engineering delight so let's talk a little bit more about what some of the other things are that are sitting out there so so to quote star trek scotty we need more power well everybody's betting on different things what's your bet going to be there's the 4680 and i'm going to talk a little bit about that solid state and hydrogen so let's start with the 4680. so on tesla battery day not so long ago tesla gave us a lot of good information which monroe used to try and develop our best guess so this is our best guess in back of me this is what we thought was going to happen we talked to people about it and whatnot this was our little pro prophecy that we've had them in real life and from that prophecy we thought we might be thought we might be close well actually this is a picture um that that came to me somehow and this picture basically shows exactly what we came up with the only difference being we thought that the the cabling would be on the outside but actually it's on the inside that that uh uh bright shiny thing you see on the left hand side of your screen that's actually a collector that that comes from all the rest of the things so a little bit different but in actuality it's really close to being uh we we came pretty close so let's have a look at what i think is the best uh best product out on the market today and um i'd like to thank fred jessup for uh sending us a couple of these things this is uh what the the true 4680 battery looks like now this is a stereo lithography model but at the end of the day these 3d models are are quite quite handy for describing how things how things are working or going to work in the future this is what i think is probably going to be the world beater because because of some of the different financial aspects of what's going on so let's have a look at why i keeps talking about tesla why is it and that's because the tesla folks think ahead they're looking at 10 terawatts of power by 2025. 10 terawatts of and they did that in 2019. how in the world could they think that far ahead i think it's because what they're looking at is the market in total instead of looking at what's happening in my own little sandbox so with that in place let's have a look at what's going on with solid stat and there's a lot of big bets that are going on big bets vw mercedes ford's everybody is betting the farm on a technology that's been unsuccessfully worked on since the 1920s why because the upset is so vast it is amazing what can happen if we can get to a solid-state battery one it's trying it's like trying to get uh to glue potato chips together with two-way tape it has a tendency to break and stuff like that the the other real problem with it well there's two other problems one is dendrites that have a tendency to grow inside of the inside of the product and the last one is it's very difficult to make these things work at room temperature so let's have a look so this is basically what you're looking at with a standard lithium-ion battery okay and this is what we see all the time now you'll notice there's some blue stuff there that blue stuff basically is an electrolyte liquid electrolytes and those kinds of electrolyte solutions are great but they weigh extra and they've got some other issues that are associated with them that we really don't want but if we went to solid state or if we could go to solid state you'll see that things look a little different there's a couple of connectors missing these kinds of things make it a lot easier and better if you're going to a solid state or a solid electrolyte if we think about what could happen here we're looking at faster charging times like 10 times faster we're looking at an energy density that could go from 2x to 8x we've got ranges that could go who knows how far and it's lighter weight so if i just have the same amount of density okay that's fine uh like a same sort of a package but at the end of the day if i want more it's not a big deal because it's quite a bit lighter that stuff is very very interesting and then we've got the last one which is non-combustible this is this is a lower temperature kind of a product if i can lower the temperature this is a this is a the type of product that we could get into in a hurry and also it minimizes the use of some pretty toxic materials solid state challenges there's a whole bunch um it's expensive right now for a kilowatt hour it's projected to be at 400 uh 400 uh dollars at uh per kilowatt hour by 2026 and that's quite a bit of money um but there's the other options or the other problems as well and that's the room temperature performance and the the formation of these dendrites now i can't talk about this too much i don't have that much time so what i'd like you to do is if you could there is a very detailed report that mit has put out a dr rupp i don't know her or her people but if you look at the screen you can see that there's a a description of what's going on this this kind of information would be very important for anybody who's trying to get into this type of a market now what they're showing is a little different than what you'd see at um at the two companies that i'm going to talk about in a minute their chemical formula looks quite a bit different than that but at the end of the day they all are trying to do and accomplish the same things so quantum escape is the first one that i'm going to talk a little bit about um they're cathode is nickel magnesium cobalt oxide and their anode is basically lithium that's formed in place via charging this has a the quantum escape has a secret sauce which is their ceramic barrier this ceramic barrier is kind of a big deal um again they still have the issues with dendrites but at the end of the day they think that their their ceramic barrier is going to be able to help out now the big backer for them is vw so there's a company in louisville colorado and and it's called solid power they have a solid state system that's using sulfide solid electrolyte now this a little different than everybody else has they're um they're looking um at something that's a quite a bit different and they're also saying that they can get into uh into some sort of a production by 2022 they also have a 10 layer pouch which is kind of a big deal the barrier thickness that they've got is only 25 microns and that's pretty thin solid power cells are double layered and that's another big advantage they're hinting that before entering the market they're going to have a couple more features to their products that are going to make them unique and and special they also claim room temperature 20 degrees c which is about 72 for their solid state battery so we look at these things and you'll notice that they look kind of like this so these types of pouches are what they think we think the future is going to look like with both solid state or solid power i should say and quantum scape so let's let's take a a look at somebody that nobody heard of okay so there's a company called lmp lmp stands for lithium metal polymer lmp is already making this stuff they're making it for buses and stuff like that it was a combination of two companies quebec hydro had a company called blue solutions and balor they combined uh their patents with the guys in blue solutions and that added up to about 1700 patents and they've commercialized this and they're running the product right now that thing you see on the right hand side of the page that is their solution that's their manufacturing area they're really good at um at extrusion so between france and canada they've already got something going and the only difference between them and everybody else with the solid state batteries is that this has to be heated up to about 80 degrees c in order to make it work so it's about 176 degrees if you're talking about fahrenheit that's a little bit hot that would burn your fingers but at the end of the day um it's not over the top so if i could heat the batteries up which means kind of i'm probably not going to put it into a car if i have to heat the batteries up what will it do for me well according to the guys over at mercedes it's a real good idea they get about 23 hours of full service out of their bus and that includes a half hour swap with the batteries that are in it so this is where i i've mentioned this before i don't think a battery swap for a the general public is a good idea but in this particular area i think this is absolutely brilliant this is a perfect application for a battery swamp so mercedes is mercedes is building these things right now they're on the road they're making them happen everything here is a good deal so then we start talking about toyota okay now toyota's the big dog let's face it they uh they make game changing things and that's what the nikai basically said uh in one of their articles um and that that toyota's got a game-changing kind of uh product and it's gonna be uh it's gonna have prototypes rolling out in mid uh 2025. okay uh that's a long time from now um and what are they going to roll out in oh a prius i think that maybe toyota has had too much exposure to u.s marketing i i think that what they need to do is um this should be as uh as exciting and as different as the mirai certainly not that so maybe they'll change their mind on it because quite frankly i don't think that uh 2025 prius is the right car to put something that's as revolutionary as what the that's what the solid state battery will be for toyota the other thing is 2025's a long long ways away what's going to happen in the interim so let's have a look so what we have here what we have here is uh is a little a little comparison between all the different kinds of solid-state batteries that are out there so we look over here at the years and we look at you know who's got what um at the top so that's everybody that's in the solid state battery business and then we've got the tesla 4680 on the right-hand side so in uh year 2021 this year they're still in kind of like an experimentation mode if we look at tesla they're looking at 10 gigawatts out of the cato facility and then we go to 2022 to 2025 and they're in prototype and refining and yada yada well tesla is going to be between 100 to 900 gigawatts by 2025 or during 2025 and on 25 2025 they're going to have limited start of production for the rest of the groups tesla is going to have a terawatt and by 2030 they're gonna have three or four terawatts so who wins financially this does not require um a deep understanding of financial terms it looks to me like tesla is going to have a walk away because if they have three to four terawatts that they can generate everybody's going to be buying from them and quite frankly there's the other aspect how much of a differential is there so the show me the money thing is kind of like what i like to talk about so elon musk said that you know his uh product is going to be work working like a like a a commercial truck he's looking for a million mile life he's got current bottle uh sorry battery modules that last 300 to 500 000 miles so we're looking at 1500 cycles and they're not talking anymore about re replacing modules they're they're talking about sorry the whole battery pack they're talking about modifying modules a little bit and that's gonna cost maybe five to seven thousand dollars to keep your car on the road so let's talk about what that's that's elon's talking let's talk about what monroe had to say in 2018 we calculated the price per kilowatt on the older tesla model 3 is about 132 bucks in april of 2020 monroe calculated the price per kilowatt hour on the model y we analyzed it at about 92 dollars now or a year later we've gone through and looked at the componentry and the cost of the materials and stuff like that and now we're looking at 83 dollars per kilowatt hour bottom line monroe projects that the price per kilowatt hour when we get to 2025 is going to be around 50 bucks or less that doesn't leave a lot of space for somebody coming in at a price that could be astronomical because how many years have they been under development how successful will they be on and on and on smart money again is for my money for my money is uh is what we're looking at with tesla so let's talk about the last one which is hydrogen this is the most plentiful element in the universe so why is it so hard for us to get going hydrogen has been the power of the future since it's uh since its discovery by robert boyle in 1671. i don't know what billy boyle had in mind but um it didn't quite work out quite the way he thought this is very plentiful kind of uh element but it's attracted to almost everything and once it sticks it sticks like a blood sucking relative it's very difficult to get hydrogen out of water i mean there's lots of lots of hydrogen in there h2o i mean there's lots of there's lots of hydrogens but tearing it away from the rest of the hydrogen and whatnot it's expensive that's kind of like what's uh what's going on here so we got solid state virgin versus hydrogen solid state battery development is outpacing hydrogen fuel cells and the reason for that is because because of the way we think of hydrogen so yes the height the hindenburg was was kind of an issue but let's let bygones be bygones we're not we're not going to be doing anything quite like what they did in the 30s so let's look at the advantages refueling times are in minutes i mean even at the most dramatic i pull out one bottle put in another bottle and i'm done the inherent energy density has a great a giant advantage at 1250 watt hours per liter it's also long range its focus i think should be on commercial trucks initially so why are there disadvantages well number one as i mentioned with the hindenburg there's fear it's had a lot of bad press it cost is high currently it there's a lack of good fuel cell technology i'll talk about tesla who's got the best or sorry not tesla i'll talk about toyota who's got the best coming up there's a lack of fuel infrastructure and basically a lack of interest so when the toyota mirai came out i thought this was wonderful at 1.3 volts that was better than everybody we had worked on lots of different we've worked on lots of different fuel cells and quite frankly 0.8.9 was about the best we could get we could never get to one volt and the problem is it's very difficult to make their system it's it's the reason that the the toyota bmw um arrangement kind of like fell apart so what we have to do is see what what's going on with the tesla or sorry the toyota uh process check check that out and try and figure out some new way of getting the fuel well this is what's the fuel this is the way the fuel was going to work with the with the toyota product using high pressure tanks these are very similar to the ones that we use for rocket sorry space space uses hydrogen tanks that look almost identical to this this is how a pem um fuel cell works now polymer electrolyte membrane pem that's kind of a big topic and i don't have too much time so i'm going to let this go and again i'd like to send you off to have a look at the internet so that you can download the information the real information so that you know how this stuff actually works so again proton exchange membrane is another term that you might want to explore so when it comes to toyota the only contender that i know about that maybe has legs is high point and this is a california company and they have an air-cooled hydrogen fuel cell powertrain that produces quite a bit of energy and whatever um this is uh this may be a good application and i think the best thing for it would be vtols small aircraft vertical takeoff machines high point um their their their next power power train is supposed to like quadruple the amount that they can get out and this would be perfect for that type of application so how do we get to hydrogen there is no easy way to use or to get hydrogen if we use conventional methods i i mean it's expensive it's not efficient on and on but there's a guy named dr paul smith and he may have another way okay so what we're looking at here with his company called plasma kinetics is light activated hydrogen this is a different way of making things happen okay and if this works and i'm thinking it does because they're already doing it it'll be more economical and batteries more energy than batteries lighter than batteries smaller than batteries zero emission and 100 recyclable whereas battery is currently around 4 to 14 depending on what kind of battery you're looking at or who you talk to so there's a lot of advantages this has stored energy and it's released with basically a laser light there's no pressurization no flammability none of that stuff it's quick charging you swap out these plates in about five minutes there's multiple ways of recharging the source um basically through waste water treatment facilities incinerators all kinds of nasty stuff that we just let go into the eye into the atmosphere these are the kinds of ways that we would probably figure out how to get this recharging source in place so this stuff here as i mentioned it's safe it's economical it's transferable it's quiet and you get hundreds of recharges and it's like i said before almost 100 recyclable so how does it work well basically what you're doing is you're sending a light through let's just call it a laser to make things easy and it basically is running on a compact disc or other some other substrate that spins and from that we wind up with um we wind up taking the hydride out and or sorry by looking at a hydrate we remove the hydrogen that's inside so let's have a look at one of the little boxes that they've got here this is a light activated hydrogen storage mobile canister so this mobile canister is about 19 by 15 inches and it's it has like i said before that light activated film this 18 pound mobile unit has 252 grams of hydrogen and that's good for about 5.5 kilowatt hours let's look at what we could do so right now what we're looking at is that little teeny tiny thing that i showed you then you've got a box of four and then you can stand this up and turn it into some sort of stationary power device i like this idea if we can make this work i would definitely be saying that this is probably a more viable option than anything i've seen for vtol's class a trucks and stationary power so if we look at the comparison and i don't have time to really go through all the comparisons but you'll be getting this presentation i'm sure so you can go in there and you can dissect and have a look where you think you you like it anything that you could do to help us out by saying oh i don't like this or that can't be right fine send it to me i'd like to i'm always in for a debate i and i'm always interested in looking at what it is that we can do to make uh make the world a better place so if we look at um the different um the different aspects or the different medias that we can look at for getting the job done you can see that quite a quite a few things are better when you when you look at a hydrogen fuel cell especially if we're looking at the smaller uh sorry not the smaller things not a car i don't recommend it for cars just why bother these are great for vtols heavier larger vehicles ships and and basically commercial units so i'm going to skip this slide so you can get some information from a jail song and there's all the information that uh that we have so you can get in there and seriously have a chat with him he's the representative in korea that that's where this is all being this is all where it's coming from so i'd suggest that you talk to him if you're interested so last one where's my flying car okay the vtols are not exactly george jetson's flying car but they're clock closer than an suv vtols are my first choice for future of travel so if we look um i had a prediction back when the 100th anniversary of the car came out in 1996. in 1996 i said that the future of travel is going to be basically going to be basically this which basically looks like you know your dad's easy chair or whatever and um and it's going to be um it's going to be basically run by your brain um the power for this thing i thought was going to come from clouds that were hovering over the earth and sending sending impulses straight to straight to earth something like what nikola tesla tried to put into place but was stymied because the guys who were in charge couldn't figure out how to charge us uh for for the the privilege of them generating electricity this prediction in 1996 didn't meet with a whole lot of enthusiasm if you pull that article up from automotive engineering if you're an sae member you should be able to get it but if you pull that up from 1990 september of 1996 you can have a look at what people in 96 thought and basically they thought of things like a big v8 engine everyone loves that so uh my prediction really didn't do anything for my credibility at that time um but what we did do at monroe was we we made a pave a personal air vehicle and um we developed it it looks like this okay so um this this is the model that we made it's seat five it had a gas engine in this one but we also looked at a diesel and we put batteries in the in if we put batteries into the wing box we could put the electric motor right on the propulsor the fan that's at the back of this thing we thought we really had something unfortunately we were a little early into the market that was in 2008 and unfortunately in 2008 the banks all melted and our key sponsor was lehman brothers they were going to give us a half a billion dollars to put this plane into into business basically it was highly automated you did not need to fly this you just told it where you wanted to go and it did what it did that was good then but now vtol's i think are the much better way of getting from point to point this this would be great if you're going a long distance like two or three hundred miles but for inside a city a vtol is absolutely brilliant so will vtols take off well this is a slide that we made in 2006 or seven showing basically that there's there was thousands over ten thousand airports that that would easily handle a plane of our size that that that amount of airports that amount of of ability to travel that was amazing as far as we were concerned but really and truly most people don't go to they don't need to go 200 miles normally they don't need to do that what they need to do is get from here to there and if you're in los angeles getting from here to there not a chance it's almost is bad if you uh kind of go to uh atlanta and things like that so a vtol i go up in the air i move i go down think of this think of this when you drive your self-driving car or when the car your self-driving car is driving it has two feet of separation on either side two or three feet you have whatever the speed limit is ahead of you and in back of you depending uh on on the situation anywhere from 10 feet to maybe 50 feet but with an aircr with a veto you're going to be 500 or 600 feet apart it'll drop you like a dime right on the spot that you need to go but at the end of the day there's huge amount of separation why wouldn't we be looking at vetos so gm is looking at a flying car hyundai is looking at a car sorry so gm is looking at a uh a flying car i i think that it should be a vtol hyundai is looking at a veto fca now stellandis has a partnership with archer aviation to make vetoes by 2023. toyota almost a 400 million in investments in vetoes at the end of the day i believe that this is where the real opportunities are for the next generation the next generation of transportation so as jules verne said think of the possibility the speed the convenience the personal space the covet environment air cargo delivery solutions emergency response there's a ton of things that are going on here and they're not going to go away and are certainly being watched by the commercial and the defense groups rather than personal transportation so at the end of the day hyundai thinks that that there's going to be a need for one of these service ports that they're showing here very snappy looking um an air cargo version by 2026 i'd put more money on that than than i would on maybe going with some of the other technologies that i've seen in the in the last little while i think that um i think that like i said i think that vetoes are the way of the future now how do i make these things and make them out of profit well here you go 3d printing on a large scale this is the way that you can make things happen divergent has a 3d car chassis actually i've seen some really magnificent car the whole car all done using using 3d print large 3d printing scales so i believe that really and truly this is what we've got going on here this is an enabler the other enablers obviously good battery packs because even if you go with any of the other technologies you're still going to need a a pack if you're going to go with a fuel cell so at that i'd like to close it down thank you so much i hope that the rest of the conference goes well for all you folks and um if you if you have questions or whatever you have my email address there or you can go to monroelive or leandesign.com to uh to pick up or or express your your interest thank you so much and i'll accept questions now hello thank you for that hey no problem i i did have something that i wanted to add a couple of little uh tidbits i knew that there was going to be um some exciting new news coming out but i wasn't allowed to actually address it until um until this thing aired so i wanted to um i wanted to just bring everybody's attention to a couple of things um one talking about um uh talking about the the scalability of the scalability of the solid state batteries now in that picture you saw something about this size this is what everybody's hoping to get hoping to get out of a solid-state battery but let's look at what it is that they've got right now this this is it only this is twice as big as what they can come up with that's why we're looking at a long time in the future the it's not even a watch battery it's a it's a battery that you'd put inside of a hearing aid that would be about the amount of the most amount of power that we can get out right now that means like people i've seen some of the questions and whatnot some of the people are asking well how long or is this for real how long is it going to take and things like that the end of the day um this is really tiny it's going to take a lot to get it to the size of the pouch that we're looking at here okay so it's important that you know that secondly people are asking about what's the chemical composition of the um this is the basically the uh 4680 battery in miniature or you know in a little 3d model nobody really knows for sure i mean tesla doesn't uh doesn't send me christmas cards with uh with that information in it so quite frankly we're looking at we're looking at chemical composition that they're keeping to themselves and well it should it's a secret and that's kind of like what uh what we need to what we need to have when we talk about um we talk about um the the batteries themselves and i i know that everybody's saying hey the battery swaps and things like that we got a little video we'll show you at the end if you want that shows uh battery swapping from 1943. not a new concept anyway we'll wait until the end but here's a guy right here that uh that you guys should know more about if you have a battery problem uh on a tesla or pretty much anything else gruber motor company is where you want to go and talk to these guys are doing what you could buy a brand new battery pack for maybe 22 26 grand or you can take it to this guy or people like him and guess what you're gonna wind up with a two grand bill two thousand three thousand dollars to have your car back up to maybe eighty percent because he's figured out trick ways of making things happen everybody wants to look at the oems but the real innovators or a lot of the real innovators they're coming from the fringes and some of these guys are going to be able to make things that were we can't even dream of right now and those types of things are what's going to really make good things happen in the future now there has been a ton of information that's come out lately about gm and ses it didn't even make the news this is big deal this is a brand new chemistry for making batteries that nobody's i've never even heard of before i don't know how it works but you know what i do know one thing for sure the more times you can see people from mit or some of the other bigger um technical universities the more you see these guys come out with new technology the more likelihood we're going to have something that we can all afford and it's going to make a big difference because all we've been doing since i've been a kid anyways for the last at least seven years how do i perfect an engine how do i perfect a carburetor or fuel injection or whatever we haven't been paying enough attention to what other alternate energy sources we've got out there so um if you're interested give me a send me an email or whatever and we'll send you as much as much information reading materials you want let me talk about let me talk about plasma kinetics when i when i did up the uh the the presentation i didn't have a relationship with them i didn't know really how to contact them and whatnot that um that changed just recently and i've been uh looking at their stuff and i can send you if you wanted um all the information that you could ever want on on how their process works how they were basically held back for 10 years by the us government because they wanted to keep it secret don't get me going on that i don't want any questions on how i feel about that but for 10 years these people who came up with a great idea were forced to uh basically go into bankruptcy so quantum scape i um i wanted to talk a little bit about them there's been some uh nasty grams that have gone out by a company called um scorpion something or other anyway um i'm going to go out and interview these guys in a little while i'm going to ask all the same questions that i saw in this video which um basically says it's all baloney you know what i've heard that baloney stuff when tesla came out but i've heard it dozens of times for companies that are now viable and running i i i can't stand short-sighted meany-mouthed kind of characters so i'm going to go and check this out for real the last thing before i get our second last thing um bmw uh is talking about what they're going to be doing also in a solid-state battery and they're claiming that they're going to be able to hit the market a lot sooner okay they're they're talking about a 2025 solid state battery ah i don't know how i don't know the technology but i'm going to find out because that's what i like to do for a living when you're old you don't give a rats you don't care you you're going to just do what you want to do last um i didn't mention these capacitors but it sounds like capacitor technology is coming ahead quicker than i anticipated so this is a slow uh slower slower version of what maybe we could be getting into super capacitors for short short distances are being used right now i think that there's uh any reason there's a lot of different reasons why we would be able to look at something like that as opposed to battery packs or fuel cells or what have you um and i and i think i think that's it so now what i can do is uh let me answer your questions i saw one while we're sifting through to bring the questions up as how do you fix one of these things believe me uh this is plenty strong uh if you get smashed into the rear end of your car and you can get past the crush cans and you're into the basically the the platform um you should thank god that you made it because crushing this not so easy uh crushing steel not a piece of cake but easier a whole platform made of this material is going to save lives now everybody's saying oh yeah what about what about the cost what about this how about i want to live that's what i want i want to live if i get in a car accident i want to live i don't care about the car i can buy another but i want to live and that's what i see in using the mega castings and by the way i've been pushing them for 30 years i uh i've known about hydra for at least 20 years so as far as i'm concerned trying to fix the car no big deal i can weld that just like i can weld any other piece of aluminum 386 is a nice material to work with it flows good it's strong lots of good things anyhow got it got it got it got it and by the way as far as the the picture there when i made those two predictions um there's a little thing that someone glued on the bottom of this picture this comes out of the health and science out of my only read which is which is this week and in essence right down there at the bottom this little article is saying hey we can beam we can beam electricity or power from space so every one of the little little predictions i made back in [Music] back in whenever it was 96 almost all of them have been of some way or another come into fruition we do have levitation kind of devices but they're not they're not practical and we do have guys working on beaming power from space and we also have um we also have uh what do you call it we also have people working on getting your brain to uh to run a product so not not much uh not much really except for the the final final delivery of the products so anyhow there you go so what's the next question um hey sandy i could uh yeah sift through them and in the region if you like questions uh if you have any uh please go ahead and click the q a button on your screen and send them to sandy so i saw a good one on here um sandy please help us understand why oems other than tesla are betting on prismatic cells over cylindrical do you have any thoughts on that uh there's lots of people that are using cylindrical batteries pouch batteries are more expensive harder to make but they have the potential to get more density um the potential they don't really make it work that way if if we look at the cars that we've been so we have two kinds of businesses we have the kind of business where we'll tear apart a car and and sell reports and talk about it the other is quite different it's all private and uh nobody knows except the customer in our evaluations we found that although prismatic has the capability of giving you more power we haven't really seen it it doesn't really work that way for us if you look at all the stats you'll see that toyota sorry not toyota tesla even though it says it's got uh x number of kilowatt hours it seems to outperform the one that's got in some cases almost double how is that what's going on there are they lying it's just the way that energy is used up in these two different sources and quite frankly cylindrical i can make them by the millions they shoot out there like little machine gun bullets prismatic slower more cumbersome not my first choice sorry yeah i believe uh rivian just announced that they're using um some control cells in there i i know everything about the ribbian battery pack um everything we were yeah so yes they use 2170s they've got a great way of cooling and um that's it next is the that's the private ones only on this side and i can't do them uh is your 83 per kilowatt hour estimate on the battery or pack level or individual cell it's a pack level okay i can't do anything on the cell level pack level one question about um what do you think of tunnels do you have any thoughts on the boring company for example for future for the future transparency okay so all right so i'm gonna tell you i worked at ford motor company in the olden days and um i started off at the windsor engine plant windsor engine plant one there was a winston engine plant too they also had a whole big complex that was torn down a long time ago when they moved to headquarters every one of those plants the foundry the everything they were all connected by tunnels and i was amazed i never really thought about anything like that before but henry the ford the first loved them when i went to the states when i moved from engine plant one and two in windsor and went to the dearborn engine plan i got promoted a couple of times and when i went there i found out these guys got tunnels and it's all through the whole rouge oh my god i couldn't believe it you could walk for days without getting a drop of rain on top of your head they had tunnels that were so wide that uh that whole car bodies at one time used to go so they didn't they didn't have to put them on trucks and whatnot i i was blown away i love the idea of tunnels anybody that's ever gone to any of the major subway systems toronto is probably the one i've been at the most where i mean underground you've got you've got shopping you've got restaurants you've got you can take the subway to wherever you want to go i'm a big fan i i love the idea it's not popular i don't know why but but i mean you go to europe they're everywhere they have they have subways everywhere and underground they've got tons of things to do and see and whatever i i'm a big fan great another question here from uh robert boyd what is your prediction about the harnesses and cables i believe you were disappointed when you saw the model y harnesses and i think you chatted with elon about that as well um okay so there's two different kinds of harnesses if you look in back of me you can see the power harnesses and um so i complained to elon about uh communication harnesses i said how come you didn't go to the 48 volt system so we could get smaller wires and lighter and stuff like that and he gave a good answer but if we have a look at the power let me get rid of this okay here's a comparison between a chevy bolt and a direct comparison to the tesla model 3. now this one has an extra part that you can't see this goes here it happened [Music] and this goes here okay versus that one so when i threw rocks at um when i threw rocks at mr musk um on the harnesses for the communications that's one thing that is the big bucks i couldn't i can't say anything bad about that that's about as good as it gets and by the way we've just recently had a look at the uh bm sorry the vw um id4 and um and uh just finished up a small ride and drive kind of a situation where we did a cursory look at the at the mustang the maki the maki uh what we see is short cables on the id4 not so much i was disappointed very disappointed okay uh another question here from anonymous uh do you have anonymous anonymous aren't those aren't those the guys that destroy your computers and stuff i'll be nice to this guy whatever he wants is the answer is yes yes do you have any thoughts on immersion cooling you mentioned it in the sf video yes um i like immersion cooling you have to do things a little bit differently but at the end of the day immersion cooling is a great idea um cooling is the is the bain for batteries i mean you could have a great battery but if you can't keep it cooled down you're going to have a problem and the problem is going to basically mean that you you lose power you lose you lose everything all range everything starts to disappear if if the battery starts to get too hot so cooling is great i like emer i like the concept of immersion cooling um some people are doing it a little bit differently now it's not actually a fluid it's a bunch of other different uh um techniques using polymers of some kind but at the end of the day uh immersion cooling to me was is a real good idea and we've seen several actually we have two or three uh customers that have um that we're working with on that type of technology okay are there uh uh main any big drawbacks or or um what are the big challenges in designing immersion cooling well obviously the first big big challenge is making sure that it doesn't short out i don't want to have that happen so um uh that would be the most major one um making a sealed box is not a big deal everybody can do that um so the the only thing is how do i cool it without without having an issue with um with conductivity that i don't want okay what size e motors do you see going into vtols any idea any thoughts there big ones um um i knew it i'm gonna get stuck picking something up hold on a second charge double okay so i don't i don't have anything to put this down on can you give me that uh that rolling doodad i knew it you know i said i bet you somebody's gonna ask me about uh wheel motors and uh ugh everybody said no no one will do that oh don't break it come on tyler jeez oh my gosh this guy's a brute now watch this damn thing collapse okay ah that wasn't so bad was it anyhow this is a this is a cut a cutaway of a wheel motor um this is what we're using on this is what uh lordstown is using not this particular brand but uh this is a protean and they're using elfie and so this is what i think i'm gonna want and about that size um for uh for maybe a four or six blade um a vtol okay and by the way anyone out there who wants to work on vtols and is looking for a consultant i'd be happy to help you out i'm very interested in that technology but um i don't want to do it myself so this is the kind of thing that we're going to be looking at i think that uh power requirements i would like to have 100 horsepower about that would be great uh for each uh for each uh uh movable wing that's kind of like where i would be yeah okay we got a few uh questions about what uh email people should uh reach out to you for the documents that you you mentioned is there do you have a general email that people could uh yeah what's the one we're using oh yeah um sales at leandesign.com that that that has people looking at it all the time that's the easiest one you send it to mine and i've got so many filters now that uh my brother can't even get through so so anyway just send it to sales at leandesign.com sure yep how advanced is autonomous vehicle technology and evs and who are the major developers other than tesla i guess would be something we could add in there yeah okay so um if you want to see what i had to say about tesla's uh full full full self driving there's a video on monroe live personally i was blown completely away i've never seen anything quite like it as i mentioned we had that airplane that was sitting in back of me that airplane took off and landed all by itself um it was great i i was really really happy with it with vtols and the newer technologies that was in 2008 that's that's like a million years ago in technology terms now with vetos i believe that we could uh we could do pinpoint landings and no one have to do anything just talk that's vetos on the road you've got to have you got to have some serious software in order to make uh separation work the way it's supposed to and i think that i think that tesla is like 10 years ahead of everybody else because they've been working on it for 10 years but i just heard that ford is also um looking to crank something out um for self-driving and not self-driving but for auto autopilot and so is everybody else but they're kind of like here and uh tesla is there sure um so i was blown away but if you really want to get a look not too many people have gotten a chance to show that off and you got to get permission from mr musk himself and i did so we showed it off i'm really impressed with that i think they've got about 11 sorry a level 4 plus kind of wow version next question any advancements in battery management systems um and inverters i think maybe start with bms i uh and i can add on i think it is uh is has gm announced a wireless bms in their in their new platform maybe you can talk a little bit about that and what kind of advantages that would that would give yeah okay so the advanced portion here would be that if you had a wireless battery management system um it would eliminate quite a few sensors and well it might you might still have the sensors but you'd get rid of any kind of wiring that would have to connect these things battery management is um critical to making sure that um your your car is gonna run i mean at the end of the day that's that's like your engine controller in a in a standard ice vehicle it's a big deal um anytime we can move from whatever to bluetooth the better off everybody will be i think as far as weight and even characteristics now there's a bunch of problems associated with it um and uh and no one's been too successful we propose we used to work uh within with two nameless um um um formula one companies and uh and in both cases that's what we wanted to do we suggested that we go to um go to bluetooth for all of the censoring and whatnot it didn't fly and we also um well i've been a big proponent of of remote remote signaling and why not for things that aren't as as uh as uh critic safety critical like window regulators rolling up your windows and things like that maybe your maybe your windshield wipers and things but uh so far no one has really um reached into their pocket because it it costs a little bit more uh to do that sort of stuff gotcha and we we did if you're really interested and you want a lot of deep stuff there's uh there's one of our one of the youth one of the monroe live things uh talked about i talked about that okay i got a lot of questions about your thoughts on top uh motor and inverter designs sandy covered both of those in depth at our september conference and uh you can find both of those uh links on our website um so i encourage you to go watch it yeah and nothing has changed those we we've looked at several different um other uh motors and inverters and quite frankly nobody's coming up with anything that's any newer than what what i showed on your show a while ago so if you're into that uh tune in sure charge tv uh structural batteries combine two functions in a car where else can combinational function be designed in your opinion how about that yeah that would work um there's a there's a lot of things that can make that happen quite frankly we've been looking at why is it that we have um a separate box for the inverter and another separate box for the electric motor and another box for the for the transmission and whatever why don't we just make it so that the cradle and all of those other components are in one big lump that's the way they make tractors i mean in the olden days they made tractors that way you had one big giant casting and everything went into it and you had to worry about anything the thing was beefy it didn't it doesn't have to be that beefy now but but if we're looking at um if we're looking at um uh you know a bunch of little castings why don't we just have one big casting and it would be the power train casting and everything would go into it the uh the two electric moto the electric motor the the the gearbox the whatever everything goes into that one box done and then you just and you and now i only have one station on the line so instead of having the cradle go in and all the other stuff everything goes in at the same time and it's all one big giant casting and quite frankly one of the things that we saw on the maki was their use of holocaust uh products and that's what made me decide to buy the maki and start taking it tearing it apart okay uh question here for 50 years we've been reducing the weight of vehicles evs are heavier did we miss something during the design stage of evs i mean batteries heavier is because of the batteries everything else is lighter so basically everything that we're talking about with the solid state and battery advancement is going to gradually reduce the weight of everything over time and yeah i often think about that the the billions of man-hours that went into ice vehicles and how we are just at the millions of man hours of engineering in evs so things are going to get so much better just in the next 10 or 20 years yeah i i'm guessing that you underestimated i would say trillions yeah trillions of of man hours have gone into uh into ice vehicles and we're just scratching the surface this is like the um with that crash that happened on um in texas okay so everybody now is jumping on this bandwagon hey we've got to get rid of um we got to get rid of autopilot and self-driving because look at that two guys i don't even know how they did it we tried to reproduce that here it couldn't do it in fact that's on tmz you mean driving driving not being in the seat you got the right one they they were in the passenger seats and in the back seat how you do that beyond me i have no clue we tried to uh i tried to uh put the car in gear and everything from the passenger seat oh i got it to go in gear but i couldn't reach the accelerator to get it going um and when i did try i wound up with a cramp that i said okay sandy's had enough this is it i'm done so i think that i think i don't know how they did what they did i i clueless but i know one thing for sure self-driving or sorry not self-driving because it's not even close to that yet but autopilot is eight times better eight times better than um than uh uh uh an individual behind a steering wheel it's a half a million miles between accidents and it's uh it's uh four million miles for autopilot this is in this you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this math out this is like the way to go yeah sure but rest assure every every uh accident that occurs will be all over the news in any case so what is it if it if it bleeds it reads or something yeah cindy can you elaborate on what you think the cost of a tesla model 3 car would be at the end of the decade cheap uh from a cost or sell price i think they probably mean like an msrp okay so i'm guessing that by 2030 now i had to take into account that we have a shortage of a bunch of raw materials i think it'll be the same price but everything else will go up by double or triple so i think it's going to hold its price um by the time you get to 20 30 you'll be able to buy a model three for about 38 38 grand something like that and they're in in in 20 30 dollars because they they keep doing stuff like this and making it less expensive and i'm positive that uh that elon musk says oh i don't like hydrogen and i don't like uh solid state batteries because they're i bet your dollars to doughnuts he's got people working on it right now so that'll that'll reduce the cost and reduce the waste as well but i'm telling you those bigger batteries 4680s they they bring the cost down a lot 16 percent i think uh from a cost are 30 from a cost and sixteen percent from weight i can't remember the numbers right now but anyways it's quite a bit quite a bit of a difference gotcha um [Music] how soon do you think other oems will replicate the mega casting strategy well what you have to do is you have to think that they've got billions and billions of dollars invested in body shops europe um closing down a body shop would really would remove hundreds of workers and it's very difficult in europe to get rid of people they have a lot of rules about that so my guess is that um and then there's the other the other guys the finance guys finance guys like steel it's cheap per pound they don't look at anything else they just look at how much is that per pound and so i think that you're going to find that the standard oems are going to be the last adopters for that sort of stuff and the new vehicle companies the ones that are coming out sure hope whatever that fell down wasn't too expensive anyways um the the other uh vehicle companies the new ones the um they're they're probably they're probably going to make the switch because they're not making their own stampings or somebody else do them and then they either weld them together themselves or they're buying a whole body from somebody else they're going to be the the real adopters but tesla death hasn't had much fun elon musk had to work in a in a in a body plant he's probably not going to be real anxious uh to go and put anybody through the um what do you call it factory hell that he had himself so i i don't see anybody rushing out to to get that unless there's a huge change in management and one of the companies great so another question here um sandy of all the eevee startups since tesla it seems like rivien has the best chance of success do you agree and do you think see any others that look as promising rivien is the most promising i agree um there are a lot of other issues with none of the other plants that i know of um well let me rephrase that okay so we're talking about big big companies like rivian but i see um a lot of smaller companies that are are definitely going to succeed they haven't been given a huge amount of money and so consequently they haven't learned how to spend a huge amount of money so they're they're kind of struggling a little bit but i believe that um that um aptera uh who's making a solar basically a solar car uh three-wheel solar car i believe that they're gonna be um they're gonna be um um they're going to be moving ahead um hang on a second um there's two other companies that i could mention but i'm not sure whether i can or not after i know i have clearance for but uh akimoto i i'm gonna say akimoto i think that akimoto is gonna be another giant winner um can you can you remind me what kind of vehicle these are all three-wheel vehicles okay right they're the ones that are that don't have any real competition right now and they're probably going to do remarkably well so um those those are the ones that i think are going to pop up because really people would like to have something that's electric but they don't want to have a gigantic bill to go along with it and these things are relatively inexpensive they're nimble you can take them for long rides actually the aptera uh vehicle um they claim you can get a thousand miles between charges because it's solar and if you're below the mason-dixon line you can make it go forever um akimoto akimoto's got a tremendous number of people interested in their products and the reason for that is because they're the fun utility vehicle and it is fun i've driven lots of lots and lots of different cars and and whatnot and i like the three-wheel vehicles because they're fast and uh they're nimble and uh they don't cost much and i can park them anywhere uh you know they're they're basically a three-wheeled motorcycle that's what they're uh they're at and so i think that that i think that people that are urban especially living in urban areas like downtown detroit or something like that there's a perfect there's a perfect deal you can park it on a you know if you've got an apron in front of your apartment building i can stick it there it's easy it's easy to find a parking spot for that new york would be a much better spot i guess yeah i would i would agree uh ribbian in terms of uh passenger you know competition for the for the big three uh rivien's a good one um and then there's lots of also commercial vehicles but buses and and and trucks and proterra is doing great byd here uh and then i would also add lucid i think rolison seems to have a really good plan um i don't know that much about his platform i don't i don't know if you do either do you have any thoughts on lucid um no because we've never worked with them i've never really done a deep dive on them but you know um one thing that we haven't talked about is the real market which is the chinese market those guys um they will be dominating the american market very soon their cars are as well built as anybody on the planets and by the way i remember when people said oh japanese cars are junk right in the 70s and early 80s and then oh what happened the world turned the world turned from japanese junk to high quality japanese high quality okay so everybody figures that oh well you know china drink umbrellas or or maybe i'm getting a cheap suit or something oh contraire those those cars are really well built and i've driven many of them the gaps are perfect the seats are delightful the instrumentation is wonderful the electronics they make all the electronics we don't do anything here so this kind of stuff they they're very deep in they make they make your cell phone all all of all of this stuff is being done in china we gave it up again those finance guys that i talked about earlier oh can we get a cheaper okay oh look we can get rid of all these workers we can get rid of all these engineers let's just give it to china we'll put our little badge on it and we make a [ __ ] load of money that kind of stuff is what um that's what kills companies and countries we almost we almost went under based on uh because everybody loved japanese cars and i think people are going to love chinese cars as well neo x-fing byd b beijing automotive geely there's a lot of there's angelia by the way gilly owns volvo among other things i think you're going to see a big big change in who's the big dog in the very near future by 2025 there's going to be a lot of unlucky car plants in north america yeah china certainly had a strategy to make ev's um yeah into uh as as an opportunity to leapfrog and it seems like it's working michael dunn um has a great newsletter uh i can't remember the name of his site right now but uh fi look for him on twitter and follow his uh chinese ev coverage it's really good yeah all right um let me see couple i think we have time for a few more questions sure will the recording of this session be available yes uh you can find it on our website uh yeah one second here okay here we go tesla says stainless steel and the cyber truck saves three thousand dollars stamping assembly and three thousand dollars in paint so when batteries are at parity with ice they can request sedan tesla could be about 6k less expensive wouldn't that be impossible for toyota to match because profit margins are already slim on camry class vehicles we're not talking yeah we're not talking about the same class but maybe if you could uh just elaborate a little bit on what you think about a cyber truck and and uh the potential for for savings cost savings there yeah okay so we were talking about what can you integrate with the cyber truck um that's an exoskeleton kind of uh vehicle so what's behind me is an endoskeleton this is um this has a skin that's thin and gives you the look and then in back of it are these uh rugged manly looking uh uh structures that uh that that in essence give you the strength the rigidity for rollover or side t-bone crash or things like that absorb all these different crashes and why not have things inside that uh that that protect the occupants with what i've been told about because i've never seen one and again tesla doesn't send me drawings i don't know but but anyway what i'm told is that they have a true exoskeleton and that's how we were going to build that little airplane this is uh this was an exoskeleton design in other words there were no ribs and launcher-ons there were no no nothing this was the skin inside outside and we were gonna you know put insulation and uh and something to like a headliner if on this stuff but the rest of it i made it a thicker a thicker pieces of aluminum thicker pieces of aluminum and um and just stamped them boom done i don't i don't have any welding i don't have any um i don't have any rivets i don't have any toggle locks nothing it's just done it's all one piece and that gives you the strength the outside gives you the strength that's kind of back to that question we had before is there any other options that we can have besides that the castings well the casting is going to be the platform for the uh for the um cyber truck and then you've got this exoskeletal clunk on top done that that's a that's a big deal and i should have thought of that but i didn't so i apologize to the guy hopefully he didn't get mad and hang up so um but there's the other one that's the other good example of what what can be done with um with a integrated system here's here's uh one one question i have a i have a strong opinion on when do you think apple will release their car i tend to think apple will never build a car uh there will be rumors about it forever but i don't think they're ever gonna actually do it what do you think i don't know i don't think i don't think financially they'd find it um yeah worthwhile i think that apple may look at maybe some of the componentry and whatnot inside the vehicle i mean really and truly their their strong suit is electronics and communication seems to me that uh you know the screens the instrumentation underneath uh that you can't see the the electronics box and stuff like that they they're they're good at miniaturization that's where they should look i think that would be my guess i i think if i if i could i think that a lot of confusion comes because they have an immense r d so they'll hire they obviously hire lots of engineers from tesla and other places and they talk to various manufacturers and they may have prototypes but they're doing that in lots of areas i don't i think like i think those come to the same conclusion dyson came to which is this isn't this isn't for us yeah this is much harder frankly well it's not so much as much harder i'm sure i could crank something out but they'd have to have a lot of partners and um you know maybe they would go with somebody like magna who um is they make cars for other companies um so they they might they might do that but uh that's what fisker i don't want to go there anyway uh the wheel motor yeah who makes the wheel motor in front of sandy i think really you say that was protein protein makes this one and the one that's going into the um lordstown vehicle is called a lafay i would pick this one though for the vtol and the reason for that is because this has got the inverter built into it that's what this block down here is this is a cool idea i'd want to have it so that if i've got a bad motor i don't have to screw around trying to pull something else out i pull two wires out put this thing in place boom done i'm flying again i like that idea so this would be the one i'd pick for v tools sandy do you wish you have do you wish you had been working on eb technology earlier rather than conventional ice technologies well there wasn't much of an industry okay so um yeah we worked on some um electric vehicles um they were just uh they were powered by a different way electric boat um they make lots of submarines and um and so does um and so does uh va systems um in in england so we worked on the virginia class submarine and uh also we did a lot more work on the hms astute so we worked on big electric products and then most ships most big ships that are efficient have a um they have electric drives so um they'll have a turbine to to get the um to get the energy that they need turn it into electricity and then the electricity goes to some giant electric motors so we worked on those but the thing that that most people don't know is that um and we just celebrated the 20th or 25th anniversary of the ev1 i think it was 25. and monroe was brought in very early on that vehicle to to help it out so i did get a chance to work on it but i also saw that the big companies really don't didn't gems like uh i don't know i don't wanna i don't wanna go down that path either really it's kind of sad but but bob stemple great guy smart guy he was the chairman lloyd royce those guys all got shuffled off uh off the stage uh for even attempting um the uh the ev-1 i thought it was a travesty that they crushed up those vehicles and threw them away we hit every target except for one we didn't hit range but now i think ev1 if they could just you know start producing that right now change the battery pack to something worthwhile you know do an upgrade here and there that card sell right this very second i i think i think there's a lot of people that would like to have a twenty five thousand dollar car and i think i can make it for that excuse me all right so one last question here and then we'll let you go thanks so much for your time we really appreciate it um hey no problem standardizing of battery packs would help reduce cost do you think uh we will ever see some sort of standardization for battery packs uh in some niche [Music] areas um why or why not well we can't even standardize on a on a battery plug i don't know it ain't going to happen this is going to be something that's going to separate this company from that company to that company nobody's going to standardize on anything they're going to tell the market that that's the differentiator between them and those other fools and like i say i'm not a finance guy and i'm i'm not a marketing guy either uh but um i know how they think and um and that's going to be a differentiator no there won't be any standardization just like i said can't even standardize on a plug all i want to do is get my charge all i want to do is shove something in and have it work all the time but now you got oh let's put this connector together let's put that connector together until somebody comes along with um that's where the sae society of automotive engineers should stand up and be counted and they should come up and find out which is the best way which is the most economical way which is the simplest way to make all this stuff happen and uh recharging what i see yeah charging plugs they should all be the same i mean have you ever gone to england like great big clunking that's on one end of the spectrum and then you've got ours you know two prongs go into the wall no problems mm-hmm yeah yeah i mean no reason we've talked about and you've talked about tesla's uh core technology lead but they also have a wall garden of the supercharger network and it you know as more and more evs come available from volkswagen and gm i think that's going to be a huge difference here in addition to everything else it's so much so much more robust than anything else out there but again i'll let you go and we really appreciate it thanks so much um this this video will be available to watch on demand and uh that concludes our uh wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute i have one thing one thing where's my nieces oh here we go no no i have to do something my niece my niece right here um she um she is a cancer survivor and two or three days ago she um she got her last uh her last uh her last shot actually it's a the final spinal is what the card says on the other side so i'd like to wish megan a happy life don't do the cancer thing any anymore that once is enough and here she is so there you go that's my shout out for my my my niece all right everyone's sending their love to megan was that her name megan great yeah megan yep megan patrick yeah all right thanks so much sandy we really appreciate it you're welcome yep take care everyone thanks welcome thanks for all the great questions

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Reddit Comments

[u/IAmInTheBasement]

Watching at 130% speed. Sandy's great but there's nothing exactly new in this video if you pay close attention to all the info that comes through this sub.

[u/DrElectrons]

Would prefer than Sandy not tell everyone. Instead he should buy TSLA and keep quiet. Love listening to Sandy, but let’s not over excite the competition.