RuneScape: An MMO Split In Half

[Music] it's usually pretty frustrating having to explain this game to people who have no idea about runescape hey you play any games yeah i i play runescape oh is that the one from like mini clip third grade around that time yeah i guess that one yeah i mean not that one that one's like a whole different game the one i play is like what that game used to be the one you saw on miniclip is like the original runescape the one i play is is like the original runescape but it's like not the original runescape is different now so what there's two different runescapes two two right uh there's runescape three and there's old-school runescape what about runescape 2 well technically old school is runescape 2. would an old school runescape be runescape 1 no that's runescape classic but that's what i just said no you said classic i play old school you can't play classic anymore if you go on your little web browser and type in runescape.com and you see that main page that main title page is that's the main game i don't play that game but if you go to runescape.com in your little browser you look in on the sidebar this little top thing it'll say old school runescape that's the one i play that's that's that's the version of the game i play it's not technically runescape why [ __ ] you man it's difficult to explain this to anybody who's not familiar with runescape it's time someone stepped up and finally did some goddamn explaining around here how did one of the world's biggest mmos get split into two games it all boils down to one update [Music] hey everyone i know what you're thinking manscapeguy i want to learn about evolution and combat but here's the thing you're going to listen to me i've talked about manscaped uh quite a few times now but today we've got some upgrades this is an unboxing channel now i had the lawnmower 3.0 but now i've got the 4.0 i know you guys love shaving your balls you see this that's a light it comes on so you don't chop your balls off this is 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heading back to everyone's favorite year 2007 runescape was well known around the gaming world and it was fun i mean there's a over 120 quests to do 23 skills to max out that you just probably weren't ever gonna max out and arguably one of the most unique factors and most appreciated parts of the game was the combat since the game's transition from runescape classic to runescape 2 the game is operated on game ticks one tick every 0.6 seconds 100 ticks per minute for example a scimitar in the game attacks every 4 ticks every 2.4 seconds every 2.4 seconds the player swings the scimitar at its target and then using a formula that puts all of the players levels into consideration a number appears indicating how much damage was dealt except nobody [ __ ] knew that back then not a single person knew how the combat worked you clicked the npc you hit it you killed it and then you clicked the next one i'd vividly remember training on alcord guards with a granite mall i thought it was incredible and you know what everybody else thought it was incredible too efficiency didn't exist no one gave a [ __ ] it was just look cool have fun that's what the game was all about this original combat system made for amazing pvp and we can see now more than ever we've got guys like oda block who have showcased what exactly you can do in one game tick and it's terrifying it's f it's [ __ ] it is [ __ ] nobody really did any of that one of the greatest peak hairs in the entire game at the time uh was using the special attack on a whip with a dragon dagger in their inventory everyone was idiots but they didn't know they were idiots yet bottom line is runescape's original combat system was simple it worked perfectly for the game whether it was pvm or pvp relaxed doing a slayer task intense doing a fight cave run everything just worked while 2007 was an iconic year for runescape it was also one of the darkest [Music] on december 10 2007 jagex was forced to make a game update that changed everything forever in order to stop a bunch of legal matters that uh involved real world trading people paying real money for gold in game they had to make a decision which happened to be removing the wilderness and free trade this meant that lures could no longer lure scammers could no longer scam real world traders could no longer real world trade but it also meant that players could no longer pk i mean they could if they did this bounty hunter game that they replaced the wilderness with uh which was an absolute mess we'll get to that in a little bit though but with the trade limit intact i mean you couldn't give gifts to friends you couldn't trade between accounts well that was actually against the rules too never mind if you did that back then you're a bad guy giving money to your other account your piece of [ __ ] but everything just felt so strict it didn't feel right and the wilderness was gone the one place in the game that allowed players to fight it out risk versus reward try to get some gear off people no that's it's gone wilderness wilderness is gone this update was like the catalyst that sparked the steady decline of the game i am by no means an economist i don't understand most things but i've made this uh graph around me an attempt to explain just how this market worked prior to this update and why it had such a big impact this free trade market was the core of the game the game had a full working system that made all types of players all categories and players rely on each other the game along with its market was full circle balanced every update every quest every new boss was made not with just one type of player in mind actually not any player in mind at all it had the game in mind every update put out at the time was just in addition to this uh big circle orb of functionality there wasn't an account build left in the dark let me give you a little example of how successful all of this was because you can still see it today every pure account you can make even the modern accounts you see today involves itself in pre-2007 quests or mini games one defense pure lost city for dds recipe for disaster for myth gloves animal magnetism for ranging monkey madness for dragon scimitar desert treasure for ancients all of those quest grant rewards that are beneficial to pvp builds as well as normal accounts void pure has to do all of that and pest control and main accounts can use void for training on pretty much anything they want in its budget because you don't have to pay for it you earn it zerker pure the pure is named after a helmet you get from a quest because it's an awesome [ __ ] helmet even if you're not a pure or a zerker it's a great helmet to have no matter what kind of player you are you should have that helmet that's a [ __ ] yeah lunar diplomacy for vengeance one of the most essential spells in pvp of all time if you're doing pvp with your main account or pvm'ing on your main account it doesn't matter you have to do all those quests you get some best-in-slot items or some really good untradables every single player had reason to grind skills out for quest requirements or grind out mini-games so you can get the gear rewards all the items universally used today by every category of player was out in 2007 i'm going off on a tangent it's just a little observation after it happened there was a huge riot known as the uh paid a pk riot there was a lot of rioting rioting is just a runescape thing we should make a video about that side note maybe we should talk about riots players didn't just up and leave as soon as this happened it was this slow decaying process as many already know runescape is a huge part of people's lives you can't just drop it one day because you decide you're not really feeling it anymore that's not how this game works but with the removal of free trade in the wilderness the dynamic of the economy and the way that players looked at the game changed so much slowly but surely players started logging off seeing this screen for the last time but a lot of players kept going and experienced the weirdest and wackiest era in runescape's history it was just such a shitty time jagex what the [ __ ] man another day another day there's a lot of things for other days dude hey look it's that another day i was talking about [Music] late 2007 to 2012 was the it's not a phase mom phase of runescape jagex was like a dog walker over there trying to get control of the situation you know their back is like this they're trying to like yank these rapid dogs back you know some of them are getting away jagex is like [ __ ] i'm probably gonna get fired for this i just lost two dogs jagex was dealing with a disaster is what i'm trying to say it was a good metaphor [ __ ] you players are trying to collect themselves as they learn to function on this game that didn't feel right anymore spamming the rant section on the forum so hard that they literally removed the rant section and in the midst of all this jagex is trying to make it up to everybody by trying a bunch of quirky things i mentioned bounty hunter earlier the bounty hunter that came strolling right in after the removal of the wilderness to replace it getting assigned a target you kill the target you get their items you can get rewards for getting a certain amount of kills but then it got updated so that that didn't happen because people were like exploiting money making methods people were probably real world trading through that since it was the only way to kind of exchange money but they scratched that and they updated the game to have bounty worlds this brought back the wilderness in its entirety on select worlds uh people could attack each other how they used to be able to now if you killed players you didn't get their items you would just get some flimsy bounty hunter reward andrew gower writes it isn't all about the rewards it's also about the thrill of trying to hunt someone down in an environment where levels are well matched uh riot you know the game was getting updates we got summoning dual arena had a 3k stake limit on it to get rid of the high roller gambling and real world trading that's one of the updates i probably still agree with i don't understand why the dual arena is still in the game makes no [ __ ] sense but i'm not going to get into that right now dude jesus christ move it to the rat pits cowards uh you could lend items now so you could fake being rich or you know borrow a whip or something revenants were in the game now quick chat was implemented so toxic muted people could spam my favorite item as monkey nuts over and over again oh and hit points uh no longer hit points it's called constitution now and they're life points and they're also multiplied by 10. you guessed it riot and we also of course experienced the transition from the runescape 2 graphics to runescape hd the whole game got a graphics overhaul it modernized the look of everything textures lighting detail you know catch up with modern mmos slightly by making it look okay riots while gothic sleeps introduced the dagon high ropes for mages and tormented demons that dropped dragon claws still one of the most iconic pvp items ever there was a new skill called dungeoneering it's a lot like the gauntlet you see in priff that brought along chaotic weapons which became crucial to peak hairs huge ko weapons and then we had void stairs back and that brought along the karasi sword that thing [ __ ] slapped here's an old clip of framed uh abusing this like the abuser bad guy he is oh he's dead he's done this dude just wiped this guy out clicking the spec bar twice it's all the effort it took the sword was [ __ ] it was op but then ladies and gentlemen the game was saved [Music] runescape was desperate on its knees mouth open for players to return and give it another chance so a poll began to bring back the wilderness and bring back free trade with 1.7 million votes and a 91 yes the wilderness and free trade were coming back and that also means 136 000 people voted no or don't care and those people should be trialed for treason your piece of [ __ ] the game had life again the lures were back the scammers were back real world trading full throttle baby let's go and there was also a gambling pandemic but it did feel like runescape again the economy circle graph was back it was doing its thing the market rebalanced itself some old players heard news of this and and came on back and even one more bk item appeared ritual of majorat brought uh the storm of armadill it's quoted to be the most destructive spell ever to be put in the game it just melted people it was it was bad bad news if you were on the other end of it it was great news for you if you had it the game looked different of course but i mean it was operating how runescape has always operated but then things started getting a little weird because one day a loyalty program popped up and a couple weeks later a gambling game like a real gambling like you paid the squeal of fortune get bonus xp and items that you could sell on the ge just spin it around a couple times and hope for the best very weird and out of place considering how cracked down everything was on real world trading right of course there was still a huge gambling problem it was bankrupting players left and right real world trading all-time high and then a news post may 11 2012. last week you may have spotted mark talking about an exciting addition to runescape coming your way it gives us great pleasure to announce that the evolution of combat is well into development and will be coming this summer in fact this update is so huge it promises to be one of the largest content updates in runescape's history and that it was [Music] not enough players returned to the game in 2011. there were three years spent with no wilderness no free trade that just plummeted this game's population so even though the wilderness and free trade came back these players were gone they didn't care about runescape anymore were they gonna come back and try and catch up with all this [ __ ] they're gone okay they're not coming back jagex was in a rough spot resorting to microtransactions for the first time implementing loyalty programs and discounts to keep people members tenure veteran cape rune crafting your worst nightmare there's now a minigame that makes it easy as [ __ ] come back to us please double xp weekend do you like double xp i know you like double xp you can do that we uh fire make it you hate firemaking well guess what now you don't have to do it in a line you could [ __ ] throw the logs on top of the one log you did bonfire please come back safe to say all this [ __ ] was not enough runescape was still runescape they needed something big something crazy revolutionary so the focus shifted from trying to pull old players back into finding an entirely new player base i mean there's huge mmos taking over right now you can't really convince people to play this one so the solution here was to modernize the game players were encouraged to sign up for the evolution of combat beta players who were able to rush to try it out you could wear whatever gear you want try it out on any bosses or npcs in the game do pvp i've never played a game with an ability bar or little squares on the screen that i had to click like world of warcraft i've never played world of warcraft but every time i've seen it i see all those things all over the screen and i'm assuming it operates in the same fashion as you see here you're fighting something you click on one of the squares and your guy does something correlating to that square you click that's what runescape had now but going from a one-click attack system that's a big drastic change and no one really had interest in learning all of that we are simple people with simple mechanics which is not simple i don't like it i'm scared no one was clicking them because they've never had a click and ability square in their life you could use your keyboard to use the abilities people are button mashing like they're playing street fighter in the wilderness there was like this adrenaline bar that built up over the fight magic spells worked differently people were dual wielding swords special attacks those are gone [ __ ] you dragon claws and and karate sword prayers look different and worked differently everyone's characters are standing like they're [ __ ] kung fu fighting the other guy everything's different and it's stupid and what the [ __ ] is happening six months went by on november 7th 2012 two-week notice was given to the players everyone had to prepare for the biggest right hook jagex was capable of throwing and finally on november 20th 2012 runescape's combat mechanics were replaced by the evolution of combat items had different level requirements now like iron you couldn't wear unless you were level 10. [ __ ] you pures poison was no longer existent in the game skulls no longer exist your welcome read it the market went through a catastrophe item crashes items became useless armor became worthless people's banks depleted account builds ruined players continued to you know at this point players had one of two options get used to eoc and learn it or leave jagex was even paying content creators to make videos about the eoc under the table nda don't tell anybody we're paying you and this was during the time where people were not okay with sponsors being in the video you know you were you were a sellout for putting an ad in your video even though there's pre-rolls what the [ __ ] was that about by the way it was a different time it was a weird time i didn't like that time imagine a content creator being financially supported by the game that they play and make a living from disgusting majority of players they were out it appeared that runescape was on its last leg but then the community was introduced to a couple protagonists that would go on to change everything [Music] it all started with a man you might be familiar with ryan as well i love the [ __ ] stefon we're streaming on the runescape channel are you kidding me get out soup i just want to let you know that below is a petition to bring back at least some servers of the old runescape pking system i think it would be great for jagex to bring back four or five servers that all have the old combat system in the wilds so the while she looked just like the way it was the combat system was just like the way it was everything else can be regular like the eoc and then the idea bounced to a man named so wrecked ever think about the fact that the players love the old graphics the old combat system the old wilderness the old trade system how about multi p kang clan p kang sure you've done a fine job with pvm and slayer in quests but all these things i just mentioned are gone how about adding old game servers back give the player the option so soup and so wrecked and a handful of other creators rallied the [ __ ] troops it was not gonna be easy to convince jagex of this and and it definitely was not we're not asking for maintenance we don't want to copy our characters over we can start fresh they had to be loud get as much support as possible one creator after another was helping support and make people aware of this petition 44 757 signatures signed in support of bringing back 2007 servers that's what we called a goddamn victory jagex proceeded to put up the first of hundreds of polls getting support from over 10 times the amount of people that voted on the petition to vote in the official poll to bring back servers and within the month of that poll going up old school runescape servers were up i won't go into too much detail about that initial launch of it i interviewed so wrecked on our bank standing podcast it was awesome getting to talk to the guy who changed so many of our lives and started careers for so many people it was great talking to him you guys can go check that out so it's down there this huge community was born eight years later here we are a game that we built through polls and voting and talking and discussing this game has brought countless videos creative series ideas a pvp game mode that was on par with esports on twitch different account builds supported by the devs that changed the way that this game was played forever a whole new universe of lore with new quests that were separate from the canon of the original game and leagues a first of its kind that you know let players put their grinds to the test yet with all these great things we've accomplished and experienced on old school the balance seems to be gone [Music] pvp communities and pvm communities are constantly clashing heads about what should be put in the game what direction the game should go and recently it seems like the dev focus is in the complete wrong area of the game things that need tended to are not being tended to and then the polls get in the way you know they have to listen to this 75 passing rate thing right now the game has a staff that was way bigger than before putting out just a fraction of the content we received back in 2007. the poll system that we know so well that has gotten old school where it is today exists solely because of evolution of combat the devs being fearful of putting out a huge update that didn't appeal to players i think the polling system is necessary in certain times but not for every little [ __ ] decision cosmetics and little quality of life changes just do it just put [ __ ] in the game man don't ask me if i want different color walls on my house don't make me vote for that just [ __ ] put it in if people don't want it they don't have to have it it's fine it's not a game-changing thing don't [ __ ] ask me about my walls in my house the new updates in the game are not made with the entire game in mind the end game pvm content rewards you with items to continue doing endgame pvm content you do theater of blood you get a scythe well i guess you can do theater of blood faster next time no one's bringing a scythe out to pvp if you do you're an idiot dragonslayer 2 brought along like a like a money farm in a bot paradise song of the elves that armor and a rock monster that let you get resources for free and don't get me wrong the old school team they've had their ups and downs but they've created some really cool stuff for us but it's easy to see that the balance that was there in 2007 that allowed it to grow so much it's not there in old school the updates aren't pleasing people things aren't coming out fast enough the dual arena is going hard bots or practically the economic infrastructure of an entire country right now for some reason i feel like it's like raising a child you don't trust it at first you need to guide it when it's first growing up for the first three four years you know it can't make its own decision but old school is eight years old it's learned a few things by now we can maybe try it out maybe trust old school just a little bit a little trial how about a little trial period i mean we can't be doing all the deciding forever we've got things to do they've got to grow up all the devs are there cause they love this game let's see what they got that's that's my take that's my take [Music] i've gone on like 70 different tangents this video i don't want to leave the original game in the dust runescape is still there evolution of combat is still there they've made a lot of changes and a lot of updates to it to be more appealable to new players more easy to understand they're doing fine over there shortly after the release of old school runescape made the transition to runescape 3. it brought along a more fitting game engine that really let the game spread its wings like literally you can buy [ __ ] wings in the shop like a lot of wings there's so many [ __ ] wings in that shop dude they're chilling they're doing their thing they're vibing i recently made a runescape 3 video delving into the early game content and it was fun i mean i can totally get why people enjoy that game i'm just a veteran of old school and runescape 2. it's not a bad game they've really improved the combat system from what it started out as every time i talk to a runescape 3 player they have nothing but good things to say about the endgame pvm some old school players even argue that the endgame runescape 3 bossing is a lot more enjoyable than old school endgame bossing i mean you can even one click attack nowadays because they have a system where all the ability boxes get clicked for you and you don't have to worry about it but now the two games are independent their own universe their own communities their own updates it's hard to tell the future for either of them but it's been over 20 years since runescape was introduced to the world and we're still here and i think that says a lot the evolution of combat has definitely taken a toll on both of the runescape games but i think with a little faith and a little reflection everything will be just fine [Music] you

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Id: EP-GQoO8hDU

Length: 24min 50sec (1490 seconds)

Published: Fri May 28 2021

Reddit Comments

[u/fucks_with_his_dog]

There's a missed opportunity to call this, "Runescape: An MMO Divided."

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J1mmy Eat | World 330

[u/MalzraTheNomad]

I play osrs because it just works better on mobile.

[u/Policeman333]

Eh, pretty accurate video besides the whole "it was content creators that brought back oldschool runescape" bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqYjIjDAdM8

The video only has 157k views after all this time. If statistics were enabled, I'm sure that by the time OSRS was polled that the video would have maybe 40k-70k views only.

Petitions were launched by various people all the time to bring back old school, the forums were spammed with requests to revert the changes or bring in new servers with changes reverted, and so forth.

The "Bring back oldschool runescape" ball was moving pretty heavily at the time and content creators came along for the ride, sure, but they didn't start that movement. They played a big role, but sole attribution to them is a bit much.

I believe private servers did far more to bring back oldschool runescape than content creators ever did. There were countless private servers at the time emulating 2006/2007 with huge player bases, and Jagex was constantly sending takedown notices and legal action against them.

There were a couple of servers in particular with thousands of active players, hundreds of thousands of unique accounts registered (if you take their numbers at face value), and looked more alive and active than RS3.

People started questioning why Jagex just didnt launch their own server given that private servers clearly showed an absolutely huge (and demonstrable) demand for oldschool content.

[u/TheArkratos]

Why did J1mmy split the mmo in half?

[u/Tom-Pendragon]

The last 5 minutes was so insanely true. There are so many questions that are destined to get 90%+, so why bother polling it?

[u/TheHappyPittie]

Why did J1mmy split RuneScape in half though? 🤔

[u/NunexBoy]

They should add like annual events that would put both games together, either by competition or colab, idk, but would be fun (not talking about runefest)

[u/hidethenegatives]

This great schism is more iconic than the Christianity one