Relevant Pulpits with Evangelist Joyce Rodgers Rebroadcast

this is the day that the lord has made and i put it in my will to rejoice and be glad in it on today i'm going to play a very special episode of relevant pulpits with one of god's finest um in uh as a memorial and uh in honor of her ministry life and legacy my sister my friend my fellow yoakman in the gospel evangelist joyce rogers who went on to be with the lord a couple of days ago and uh we are still transitioning from such a tremendous uh loss to the body of christ but god knows best and so today i want you to enjoy uh an episode of relevant poor pits that i did on last year with evangelist joyce rogers thank you so much hello hello hello this is a day that the lord has made and i will rejoice and be glad in it i'm dr dana carson affectionately known as the kingdom voice and i'm so delighted that you joined in with us today on this episode of relevant pulpits we want to give you a little time to come on in the room everybody's coming in and uh on all uh four platforms youtube facebook instagram periscope uh come on in the room we're gonna have a tremendous uh discussion on today i have a long time acquaintance friend sister in the lord with me and i can't wait for us to chop it up a little bit about today's subject uh event uh evangelist in the 21st century and man and and as a woman in ministry it's going to be great time i want you to come on come on come on and come and don't forget send your questions because we will be answering questions during our session and so we want you to send your questions uh you can uh send them right there on the platform and my team will get those questions and they'll the next thing you know they'll be up and we'll be answering them so please send in your questions uh on uh today and we're gonna have a great time continue to come on in the room now don't forget our protocols of our of our broadcast we ask uh you know i'm gonna do three things we're going to teach we're going to answer questions and then we're going to pray 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into your own spiritual development you're going to hear me uh through the process i'm sure i'm going to talk about some of my books uh and so forth and um and uh we'll we'll recommend those those books for you but uh also uh my guest is going to talk to you also about one of the classes that she has uh offer women in ministry and so uh we want you to sow into your own spiritual development now i'm so delighted as people are coming in the room i'm looking you're coming keep on coming amen my guest is no stranger uh to the body of christ she's been around for several decades doing a powerful gospel ministry uh i've i've known her since i was in austin texas and my church praised tabernacle and i'm pretty sure we'll talk a little bit about that connection but uh she serves now in ministry uh at the saint andrews church of god in christ in denton texas uh and so i'm so excited about having her with with us uh she's precious to the body of christ she's a tremendous fivefold ministry gift and i think she is a model for women in ministry i've observed and known her up close and at a distance for years and her name is uh impeccable her integrity is second to none and i love her uh to death uh like a sister and so i i'm talking about none other than evangelist joyce rogers hello there my brother what a privilege and an honor to be a part of reveling pulpits with none other than my brother dr dana carson we appreciate you long time friend good mentor of mine i really do appreciate you well we're so glad to have you joyce and i appreciate um um the kudos you you've just given me and and i know that our lives have been intertwined for quite some time i remember one time it was years and years ago i came to i don't know if it was your church to preach i don't know if that was your church but uh yeah i agreed at your church and met your pastor and you were there but uh i i that wasn't our first time meeting though right right right right but i remember that we go way back and you know first of all joyce i'd like to just talk a little bit about our relationship just a little bit uh because our relationship centers around the gospel uh ministry and so forth uh let's talk a little bit joyce of how about because you were telling me a story one day that uh about how you came to know of my ministry uh and uh i think uh uh many would like to to hear that because i thought it was a quite it was quite fascinating why don't you share just a little bit about how we met joyce and how you came into contact with us well first of all i um was introduced to your ministry by one of the angels who have gone on to glory and she often you were located then in austin texas right and you had this extremely uh progressive uh bible-based growing church and she always talked about pastor dana carson pastor dana cars pastor dana carson so we even being in college uh just the infant stage of the introduction being in college we wanted to meet dr dana carson dr dana carson of which we did have the opportunity to go down to your church and i want to say this you never know who's sitting in your congregation that's right we were in uh pastor uh carson's congregation at that time not knowing that eventually uh i consider our relationship a god connection because we didn't play any games we didn't do anything to have to meet him but i remember when uh lady dolores had us uh sitting in the congregation and we when i did have the chance to uh finally uh nervously uh meet this man of god of whom you know was the one and only but let me tell you what long story short what brought me in is your love for god's people and you had such an inviting inviting uh spirit upon you and you you made us us feel so very welcome again not knowing that eventually we will be spiritual brothers and sisters yeah you know joyce when whenever i hear that um i it encourages me and it helps me to understand uh even greater that your ministry and your living is not in vain and that you always need to be sensitive to the spirit of god because you do not know who you're making a deposit in and and you don't know what god is doing in the life of people just like right now you and i are talking and i'm pretty sure joyce there are some joyce rogers stories being made right now while you and i are talking about ministry and the reason i wanted to kind of just talk about that a little bit um was it because uh i'm unlike like for you just to kind of share a little bit we'll get to the issue of evangelists in a moment but uh i want them to kind of know a little bit about uh joyce and her pilgrimage uh to ministry you know what was it like a lot of people asked the question because people ask me all the time do you believe in women preacher i said no i believe in gospel preachers so you know i believe anybody that preaches the gospel you know and so uh if they preach in the gospel i believe in them and so you know i've always supported your ministry i brought you in and you know and and i don't say this being arrogant but you know i'm very selective about my portrait and uh uh i've i've been bringing you in for years letting you pour into the congregation because i believe you help us in ministry and you help churches and ministries and pastors that are listening now are to really uh understand the kind of impartation you bring and if if if i remember we get to it because i i do want to talk about the one of the last impartations that you brought to our ministry actually was a spiritual lifeline in terms of what you deposited before we went through it and we went back and looked at uh a video of you preaching there and what you said was going to happen and what we had to do in order to handle this next move of god and joyce you were so on point uh and uh we we we made videos of you and sent them out to the whole congregation and said listen to this but so i know that you are a woman of god who can hear the voice of god and that god is using tremendously and without your ministry the body of christ i believe is handicapped because you're very significant in what you do and what you have to say and so um there are a lot of women uh that and not just women but men also that would like to know kind of how did you come to and understand your call embrace your call know your call do you mind sharing a little bit about that uh no i i will definitely and and let me back up and thank you so much uh dr carson for investing in me and my ministry i hold truth to the fact that god called me to be a to be a bridge i am a bridge first of all for the local churches what what does that look like i'm a bridge to make sure that the congregants are reverence and follow the leader and that the leader taps into the heart of the congregation you can't do that if you don't know god's will concerning a the church that you're going into we don't spend a lot of time with people in the church leadership we spend time with god once we hit the city and i don't want to get ahead but that's the evangelist part but i i appreciate you and thank you for allowing me to come into your house and i come into your house not arrogant but as a philippian one and sixth person being confident of this very thing that he who has begun a good work and my good work is a part of my purpose and my assignment which is to be a blessing to local churches it is never my desire that when i leave the pastor has to spend one second cleaning up what i've said so i do appreciate you and thank you so much again for the investment the question you asked was about my trajectory in ministry and how did it begin i i say this quite often and those of you you're going to hear me talk about it and thank you dr carson for even validating the class that we're going to have for women in ministry so some things will be surfaced but when you get into class girl we're going to go on down but i do appreciate that starting out in ministry i i lived my development years with my grandmother my grandmother was an old prayer warrior in the city very small country town everyone stopped by her house the centers and the saints knew that her house was a place of refuge that i like saying this past carson such a reverence to the god that lived in her that if you were drunk and you passed by her house you get on the other side of the street when you got to her house that's the kind of reverence and i even pray that god brings that back to america as it relates to the people in ministry but big mama said to me before prophecy was even popular but among the christians and then big mama spoke a word that one day you're going to be big mamas missionary evangelists and i was saying to big mama i want to be a cheerleader which god gave me the privilege to be treated through high school community college you know and i was thinking i don't want to be an evangelist i want to be a cheerleader but with the foresight that god had placed in big mama big mama spoke that word before i even knew what the essence of evangelism missionary was all about so throughout life and i want to share with somebody when when a word is spoken over your life and it's a word from the lord jesus christ you may run but you cannot hide because his jeremiah 29 and play 29 and 11 plan is activated at the moment that the real prophets speaks over your life so big mama spoke that and as i uh you know grew older on my way to uh to denton to the university i had made up in my mind i am going to be a dallas cowboy cheerleader it was my desire and i prepared to be a dallas cowboy cheerleading one one day i was out on the field cheering for the kilgo college kimbo junior college and i hear the spirit of the lord says that you will always be a cheerleader you will always lead people to victory i'm just going to change your coach and your team it won't be for the football team or the basketball team but it would be for what we would say now hashtag team jesus and it was at that moment that i knew that i was going to be the person that will always lead people to victory and our victory is in christ jesus our lord oh what a wonderful wonderful testimony i you know you know i i had visuals of the dallas uh cowboy cheerleaders and and those little garments they be wearing praise jesus and i said brother lord the lord really changed routine and uh you know joyce now you you've been doing ministry now how long how long have you been out on the field i've actually been in full-time ministry this is going on the 21st year i celebrated 20 years in full-time ministry in 2019. now good great and that's a long time you know back in the day 20 years constituted retirement you know you know you do 20 years or something you could retire now uh joyce 20 years ago things were so much much different than they are today and i know that uh there were challenges in terms of you preaching uh the gospel as a woman and i know even when i started my church i've been doing this about 35 years it's my excuse me 35th year anniversary this year and when when i started i started a non-denominational church and so when i started uh i actually started as an evangelist because if you you know i was an evangelist who was an aspiring pastor because before you can pastor or be declared a pastor you got to have sheep and if you don't have sheep then you're you're not a pastor yet and so as a result when i started my ministry i had to go out and win people to the lord i wasn't trying to steal other people church members and bring their problems to me i was out trying to preach the gospel uh in order to build the ministry and uh in order to do that joyce i started my ministry out on the streets i used to go and do street ministry on sixth street in austin texas that was like bourbon street in new new orleans that's what they tried to create that type of uh replica and so some of everything was going on and i would get out there every weekend and walk those streets and and preach in the wide open and you know some people would call me crazy this that and the other i didn't care i was so turned on for christ and the cause of of of the gospel and i would go then also to nightclubs and i would go in the uh in the parking lot of the nightclub now what the tripped out thing was was at the time when i started i started off baptist i was in the baptist church and when i was at the night club and i'd be out there telling people to come to christ in the parking lot have a choir was going to the club you know you know and so you know that that that was an experience to say the least but i would be out there preaching and then finally uh god told me to start a ministry and so then of course that's why i learned how to plant ministry and do the work of an apostle and establish doctrine etc but i had challenges back then because at that time uh the only uh churches that were considered uh orthodox and authentic and valid were denominational churches and then on top of that i was starting a spirit-filled denominational church with which involved glossalyc speech and you know tongues was a big controversy and so you're part of the kojic church and kojic was a denomination however they still had to contend with the issue of being a spirit-filled denomination the broader the mainline church embracing glossily experi speech and the gifts of the spirit and excel for and so i know when i started i had to overcome the challenge of being called a cult because i wasn't a what i wasn't a name-brand church now of course in the 21st century now the non-denominational churches are are more popular than denominational churches so we've come a long way now i said i i did that as an example but we've also come a long way in women preaching there was a time uh whenever when i was in the baptist church if a woman had to speak she could only speak for women's day and in a woman's day she couldn't speak from the pulpit in the baptist church she had to speak from the floor and they would put a podium now when i look in retrospect i see how demeaning that that that could could be uh but it was the spirit of the times and so you can't expect a culture to be uh exposed to what it has not exposed to nor grow to what it has not matured to and so but now uh joyce you've been doing this 20 some odd years and so i'd like for you to share just a little bit of how how your process have gone because now man everybody knows george rogers and anybody with any sense wants to invite her to their church into their church and you know uh so tell tell us a little bit about that kind of journey for you uh i had some of the same experiences that you spoke of especially at the conception of my uh itinerary ministry but again my grandmother who was my men my mentor at the time big mama said that the culture that i was involved with at the infant stage of ministry did not dictate who i was or what i was to do i was called into ministry and that was the focus i wasn't called into female ministry i am a woman that's evident and i pray every time i get up that people see femininity there's no masculinity there no desire to be anything other than who i am which is female that operates in the holy ghost that have the opportunity to speak in ministry uh something that you mentioned at the beginning stage and even in some conservative areas as of the year 2020 yes i was asked to speak on the floor in front of a little lectern and my thing was pull out that holy ghost killer's instinct because the position of uh the location the location in a building does not anoint me nor take away from my anointing that's right i i kept focused on the fact that you can put me in the bathroom if you choose and i'll preach from the bathroom to the platform because again the location did not negote the anointing that that's isaiah 61. the spirit of the lord is upon me and he's anointed me to do a plethora of things so i i i did not allow that to be an issue if it was an issue it was a denominational issue it was an african-american culture in the south issue but it was not a joyous rogers issue people would highlight that often time i can't believe they have you down here that didn't matter let's go to the word of god and i would have people that would say uh i don't believe in women in ministry and my thought was when you invited me you knew both of those things were about me a woman in ministry so i'm not going to water down my ministry my prayer my gift is that i i'm always uh able to talk about the bible and the god of the bible so i again i did not allow uh those uh isms of our culture and even not just our culture but of our race uh put us down uh to to where women were not quote unquote equivalent with men in ministry which i mean when you talk about equality come on women are still fighting for equal rights in america so those kinds of things uh did not bother me i did have um pastors uh that would come up afterwards and say little things like well uh you that was a good message and in terms of your uh financial honorarium appreciation i'm not going to give you what i would give a man i'm not going to i mean my thing was thank you for telling me that so i'll know i won't come back here to be abused anymore but uh you know thank you for telling me that and even that wasn't an issue uh again after 20 years i was in ministry out in ministry i was single so i had to protect myself and i never wanted to leave a venue after an argument with a leader over anything that i felt was do me i'm just the believer that you'll do wrong on this side but then righteousness would prevail on the other side so i don't have to spend time defending myself but god gave me grace he gave me grace and favor i want to say the favor of the holy ghost to go into all denominations all ethnicities to preach the gospel of jesus christ and pastor dana carson that was my focus not to preach denominations not to preach trends not even to preach culture but if you're a bible believer i can come into your church and preach what you've already established and and i can and i can attest to that uh because you've done it many times in our church so one of the things i i hear you saying joyce that i'm in full agreement with is that if we're going to uh embrace and execute the call of god on our lives we cannot get caught up in the controversy um you we sometimes can get caught up in the politics and the uh injustice of a particular thing to the point that it derails you from doing the thing that you're dealing with the controversy over and uh i'm so glad that you and others as well as myself we prevailed beyond controversy because we kept our eyes on the prize and we pressed and you know what we do the world really needs now i want you to encourage you guys to send your questions in we'd love to if you have some questions we'd love to answer them but now i i want to move but what what we do the world really needs and in order for the world to get what it is that we have the the gospel the good news of the kingdom uh is is through the means of evangelists so when we look at the scriptures and we look at the fivefold ministry ephesians 5 4 and 11 it says he's given some to be apostles prophets evangelists pastors and teachers uh and that that middle office if you look at it from fivefold perspective some choose to look at it from a fourfold and say everyone needs to be called to be a teacher but if you look at it uh uh looking at the hand that middle finger is the longest finger and um and and it has been used metaphorically to say that it is the finger of extension of the work of the church and so uh without the work of the evangelist the church does not uh expand and it does not establish its witness in geographical areas when we talk about the the evangelists we we talk about jesus jesus ministry he first started off as the evangelist he was the identity evangelist going from city to city we look at the book of acts uh we see the first message was an evangelistic message by peter and then stephen and then philip the deacons who become evangelists so we know without the work of the evangelist that the work of the gospel cannot uh be perpetuated and extended paul told timothy in the time of spiritual apathy and compromise he told him do the work of an evangelist while he was a pastor in the church at ephesus uh so uh if the evangelist would will you explain to us a little bit uh in your experience uh and and out of your office uh the work of an evangelist and uh and what it looks like and and so forth in the 21st century yes pastor and certainly you used all my scriptures i was going to talk about acts i was going to talk about paul uh for the uh the work of evangelists and just in this simple definition of the simplicity of the definition of evangelism is gospel preacher with itinerant ministry that that's it you you are to the evangelist i'll speak for myself is given the opportunity to work from an itinerary schedule which at this present time praise jesus i'm not working from an itinerary schedule y'all pray my strength those of you out there because i'm so used to working from an itinerary schedule but at this time we are all grounded to take care of the uh essential things of life but to back to your question the itinerary schedule is um the life of an evangelist and i think i said it earlier what what is the first thing that the evangelist does uh on with an itinerary schedule is that uh the gospel preacher is a given uh uh that that that's that's a given so what all it takes for you to be the uh premier gospel preacher in the eye of jesus christ not premier in the eye of people because people will change but whatever education you need whatever mentorship you need whatever coaching you need all of those things should be priority and then you learn to prioritize prioritize your priorities you make sure that you're doing the things that you're supposed to be doing at this season but to the evangelist once that person uh gets into the city and i say this so often it is the job of the 21st century uh evangelists to operate in the spirit of discernment the spirit of discernment i am a proponent of the fact that if you're going to go into the cities you need to know what are the governing demons of that city not just that church but that city because that church membership is a part of that city is it poverty is it rejection is it uh low set what what is the dominant grand demon of that city because that's what you're going to go into warfare for itinerant schedule into the city not to hang out with people but let me go into the spiritual realm and not to over spiritualize anything but you ask me and so that's what me do that's what i do so uh it is to find the governing spirits of their city and then hopefully some kind of way and thank god for technology you have uh listened to the voice of that leader as an itinerant ministry person you've already consulted the lord about the demons that are controlling their spirit then you bring it down to the region of that city and then the city the the church to which that city is located what what what spirits are hovering over the congregation what spirits are hovering over the pasture what is it god that i am to say because i'm operating with an itinerant ministry and i'm hearing voices all the time i'm traveling to different locales but now i need to become laser focused on what it is this congregation is warren against in the city in the spiritual realm what is it that this pastor is up against because i come as a voice of authority to confirm what's already in the house you know no no no that's powerful joyce and you know i was thinking when you said you know excuse me don't mean to over spiritualize this is me you know and i thought about how deep we've sunken in these times where we have to feel a little something about spirituality you know i mean we got to feel like we're going to be evaluated and when the truth of the matter is we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities powers rulers of the darkness spiritual wickedness and heavenly places and if you are doing ministry and it doesn't involve discerning the battlefield and the enemies then you're really not doing ministry you're engaged in secular humanism and uh which means you're on the side of the enemy deceived and blinded and so i think though this is a very very critical time as you're talking about the itinerant ministry and how things have been shut down but i believe things have been shut down but i believe things are now opening up i believe that culvert night who shut us down that pandemic the pandemic of covet 19 but i also believe that the the pandemic of racism is bringing us back out so we had one extreme that that had shelter in place uh stay home orders and now you have mass crowds gathering at all the major cities in our country and around the globe so god locked us down with a pandemic and he brought us out with a pandemic and i believe that we're becoming more sensitive to two things that's going to be extremely vital as it relates to revival which opens up the door for the ministry of the evangelist big time but is uh one the sensitivity and awareness of one's mortality because of technology and the emergence of all of medical science people are living longer we've been living longer and we've been having two and three careers and because life has been so long we've had to readjust how we're going to set up our retirement because we have to pay for more years being alive and so people are thinking more about living than they are dying and so if people are not thinking about dying then they're not thinking about eternal life and so now covet 19 has put us in a position where there is a death angel that's walking the streets and he's taking life indiscriminately base it doesn't matter about race class culture sex uh age it doesn't matter saved unsaved it doesn't matter i believe what god is doing is causing us to have a healthy respect for death and life and so as a result people now are having to ask themselves the question what if i get covered 19 and what if it takes me out real fast because sometimes you hear somebody got it and they gone like that some people overcome but what has happened is is creating a sensitivity to life and death so i believe that that's one thing that's going to set a stage for revival but then the second thing joyce i believe is setting that stage is social injustice where god is showing people how wicked the heart of humans are and how uh there is a need for us to come to this understanding of that's called general or common or equal humanity that all people are truly created equal and so because in order for us to get people to the cross of christ that they may die to themselves they cannot reserve or set aside any part of who they are and deem it as worth living which means so let me give you an example so if i believe in cultural superiority as a gift and an order of god then when i die i only die to uh the moral uh flaws of my life but not not who i am in culture so all of me doesn't all of me doesn't die but at the cross it's it is the great equalizer where all men must die educated uneducated rich poor black white red yellow everybody has to die so i believe that we're being set up for revival and uh i believe that uh the church uh is going to be in more of a need of revivals you remember back in the day we used to have seven day revivals in the church that could turn out to be a month and they were unplanned but people would come every night and the crowds would grow and so forth but at that time people were more conscientious about death but because of the advancement of technology people are consumed about life so i believe that your itinerary and your schedule uh will increase as we're going to now need more of the evangelists where we bring in the evangelists and we use it as a catalyst to invite the community and other folk to come in and hear the evangelists and the evangelists becomes much more effective in revival than the pastor because the pastor is used to shepherding the flock but the evangelist is accustomed to dealing with those principalities and powers that's it's a crowberry it's an empowerment for the church and so um i know i got on the tangent here but uh that's right i agree i agree wholeheartedly the the wind of revival is certainly the atmosphere and when wind comes around it picks up everything everything and everybody and bring it into synergy for one purpose and i believe as you stated god is bringing us all together with one mind one voice is because there are too many voices out there no they're too too much noise but god is looking for the right sound and for the right voice and that voice is to unify the people of god that voice is to do like the wind and take the trash that's lying in the street that's been laying dormant for weeks but when wind comes wind gives a trash life that's right it takes it to the next level during this season of revival oh my god yeah we it shall be more synergy like never before and all persons will be created as the children of the kingdom yeah you know we have a few questions here joyce let's see so how do you see the office of evangelists operating in a reformed kingdom-minded church context that is submitted to apostolic order uh so i guess they're asking us uh how do we see the evangelists helping to support or not support people embracing apostolic order in the church and i believe this is one of the things that you're great in when you come to church is putting getting the church in alignment you want to speak to that george i said to say bishop uh the question how do we do it i i guess it should be how do we continue how do we continue uh to to operate in a church i have the church to operate uh with apostolic order order is the is the name of the day is is the time of the day we don't celebrate order as much in our culture and when i say the culture i'm certain the religious culture yeah if you if you adhere to order it is as if you are so traditional or stuck until you cannot uh advance beyond whatever the lines but i think with the kingdom-minded church the evangelist is coming in to set the order in that that the lord place the anointing that that has protocol that has order what it flows from where from the top all the way to the bottom and i believe in this movement that god has us in the local churches the leaders will be celebrated because i i strongly feel that the enemy is trying to put a damper between the leadership first of all the leaders versus leaders and then the leadership in the congregation and if that's uh out of order disorganized you're not going to feel the effects of the anointing because again the anointing has order and i strongly believe and i know pastor i'm gonna i'm gonna tag you and let you pick this up and take it on to the next level but i i believe strongly that it would be a continuation of us i agree i agree george let's here's another question here if i'm called but my spiritual covering doesn't believe in women preaching preaching what should be my next steps now uh i'll i'll i'll put some on that and then i'll let you put put put problems you know first of all if you are at a place and you feel called to preach and they don't believe uh in women being able to preach uh the gospel or to be actively in ministry then it seems like that is not a place that embraces what um you feel theologically and theoretically about the scriptures and wherever you are you have to be able to submit to the doctrinal position of a particular ministry of church and if you find yourself in theological controversy and uh that that point of controversy is uh not controversial at large which what i mean by that women are preaching all over the world now in church so churches that don't believe in that they they are probably a little out of step and they're over influenced by the culture of what i call the watershed that i talk about in my book the fry watersheds the impact of romanization uh europeanization colonization and westernization and americanization of the gospel and through that it has created uh the church as a sociological phenomenon that is predicated upon racism classism and sexism and and a whole bunch of other isms legalism denominationalism egotism and uh it has displaced uh the place for inclusive ministry and so i believe that if this is something you really feel called to do you're to have to have a discussion with that leader and talk to them okay and then see if there is a reconciliable place but then if not then i think both of you will have to come to an agreement that maybe you have come to the point where you need to move to uh other mentorship joyce you have anything on that pastor you've said it you've said it you said it okay there's nothing to add to that i agree okay so what are your thoughts on dating as a single uh female minister so that ain't my question i believe that dating is left up to the person if that is something that you choose to do uh in in ministry outside of ministry that's that's your uh prerogative um i i don't see where dating um would hinder a person from performing ministry of advancing in ministry i i don't i don't see any hindrances there so my my answer to that if that's something you choose to do uh go find go find your no go sit and let your mate find you but he that findeth the wife find it a good thing so you just sit there and be a good thing until he shows up and if you choose not um to date be confident in who you are because sometimes society will label you if you don't do what they think you should do in order to be who you are but you have to know that you are a wonderful person a wonderful female and you're complete in christ jesus but if you need someone else you go girl and find them but if you don't don't you feel bad because you're content with all that got the his sufficiency kicked in you're content with all that god has given you and all that god has allowed you to be you are complete you are hold and when you step in the room everybody knows power just came in the house so be confident in who you are now let me let me put something else on that i think that what's also important is that as a female minister she has to be sensitive to the male that she brings into her life because if she's not discerning with the mail that she brings in her life satan can pull and destroy her ministry from within because when he couldn't do it from without i can't i can't uh state how many uh ministries have been destroyed because of unequally yoked uh relationships and and when you end up being in an unequally yoked relationship the problems of relationship you have to deal with every day and they can impact your spirit they can impact your ministry and not put you at a place to peace especially as an evangelist where now you uh you've got to kind of discern spirits and you got you you got spirits oppressing you so would you agree with that joyce oh i certainly i certainly do and and with that thought process the unrest within your house will certainly interfere with what you have to put out and as pastor said if you are unequally yoked you have invited competition in your house and no one wants to compete within its own house okay so make sure that as i said and he confirmed be secure with who you are and then take the proper steps and pastor i think in your academy in your classes are you addressing uh this issue and some of the classes that you have yeah yeah no we we we we we have training as well and we address we address those issues here's another question for women in ministry is it better to remain single or beyond the husband i think we just kind of addressed that but do you do you have something else to say on that no i think we just addressed that and and there's a book that's titled fatal distraction uh right there fatal distraction and it covers uh being single it covers being married it covers dysfunctional relationships and it covers uh god ordained relationships but as you for stated we answer that question and again it's left up to you okay so joyce has a book called fatal distractions and so please look what can they find that book joyce the book can be found at uh any outlet amazon.com uh you can go to joyce rogers website and we'll send it to you sign all the bookstores electronically it's out there waiting on you the roadblocks that keeps you from being the woman in ministry that god has called you to be okay someone asked the question uh here it says what are your thoughts on women being apostles um i believe we've been being what pastor apostles okay that's on you pastor i tend to shy away from this one because i know the work of the apostle the work of the apostle is to be uh a church planter is to establish doctrine that's the main thing doctrinal they gave he to the apostles doctrine they have to be doctrinal specialists you've got to know doctrine uh the teachings of scripture you've got to know them uh and uh established churches you plant churches so you're talking about global missions and ministry and then you're talking about training leaders and so that's leaders in the church uh leaders in business that are kingdom minded businesses leaders in the family in the home so uh i think that it's a tall order even for men uh because of the uh potential of women in terms of child bearing and different things and the scripture says the woman being the weaker vessel doesn't mean she's weaker emotionally or intelligently or intellect but it just says physically a woman cannot endure what a man endures so whether or not a woman could do this or not you know i i've learned over the years just you know let god be sovereign and let god do what he does now the probabilities and and if people say but do you see the scriptures uh suggesting that that can be um it's not clear that that that the scripture would suggest that that's be that could be but i try to stay away from that and if i saw a woman who was doing the work of an apostle uh and doing it very well then i i wouldn't tell her she needs to stop you know if she's doing it she's doing it so that's all i have to say it is a controversial question uh so but let's see so what spiritual practice do you engage in to walk in in that level of discernment that's for you joyce it's on the screen whatever i'm sorry of discernment what what are the practice uh childhood practices what other practices everyone knows that you can not discern a person or thing that you do not spend time with that you're not acquainted with so with my spiritual practices i'm still as they would say i still believe in spending quality time with the lord jesus christ how do we get to know about him through his word spending time dissecting his word spending time i'm making myself vulnerable to his word how do i do that that's through fasting still fasting and praying the combination of the both of them and being quiet in his presence not going in always talking but become the best listener in the whole wide world all about him if i want to know what he thinks what his will is what his word is a specific word his taylor word is right my word for an individual i have to know him uh discernment cannot be what someone else said and discernment certainly cannot be what i have heard seen on facebook i'm emotionally involved with the level of discernment has to be done by spending quality time with the person of whom you are discerning and speaking for just real simple good good thanks george here's another question it says i know a woman who wanted to be a leader in a church but did not want to submit to the church's process for leadership she left and started her own ministry with no covering what are the possible consequences of operating like this in the body of christ i and and dr carson i'm going to let you finish this but i i'm i'm a strong believer that everyone needs some coverage everyone needs a protector sure we have the power of the holy spirit that dwells and operates in us but you need a conference you need a protector and if that leader is assigned to you because i think i understand the person left the church is that what the president yeah the person left uh because they didn't want to adhere to the leadership of that church the processes of leadership in that church the processes of leadership in that particular church well if that's the church that god has called you to be at whatever uh process you have to go through and especially in leadership and pastor you can help me with this i think sometimes uh people want to lead without being good followers right and you have to be a good follower and if it is the person that god has assigned you too then it would be beneficial for you to adhere to whatever the process is that's going to create outstanding leadership in you then to leave and not have a coverage listen you don't have an umbrella it's going to rain on your head everyone needs to come in you need a coverage because you need a checker the coverance becomes your checker the coverage becomes your coach the coverage becomes your encourager your facilitator and you cannot do it by yourself women in ministry anyone in ministry everyone needs a covering my question to leaders that are out there want doing their own thing and really doesn't have a coverage do you expect the people under you yes to be to allow you to be their coverage and if they need a coverage you need a coverance so whomever that person is tell them to get out and get a coverage because it's about to rain that's right i agree i agree with you wholeheartedly uh joyce wholeheartedly uh and so and and and the consequence is that uh you didn't submit and reciprocity will set in they won't submit and submit and submission is not uh agreement uh it's it's obedience with the right op with the right attitude and so you don't have to agree to everything your leader said that's what also helps to make them the leader they should have someone of a wisdom edge that you ought not know everything they know so if you don't know everything they know you can't agree with everything they say and that's the reason the bible tells you to submit to leadership but a person that can't submit to leadership but then go out and start their own thing they're very dangerous and i doubt very seriously i've not heard of anything really positive over the years of my 35 years of ministry i've not heard of anything coming up of uh uh becoming something good for the kingdom under those kind of situations when i left my baptist church i sat down and talked to my pastor and told him about what the lord had called me to do he gave me his blessing he cried tears i cried pierce he told the church when he told the church they cried tears on his passing when he went to be home uh with the lord uh on his anniversary after he had died the church called me in to preach uh his the anniversary of the church uh acknowledging him as a former son of the church because even though i left that baptist church and the present pastor today is a very very good friend of mine uh because you can leave ministry without having a disruptive relationship but when you are a rebel when you are going to rebel uh and it's so it's not that you are a call to leader to be a leader it's that you refuse to follow and so a lot of people are not leaders people that refuse to follow so well look at that that's good that's good okay so here's another question here's another practical question guys and then i know we got to stop here but did it say did you ever struggle with your spiritual life uh while knowing you're called what would you recommend for someone struggling with this and should i sit down until i struggle through now uh i'll say this quickly as you collect your thoughts uh there is no ministry without a struggle we read paul's struggles in romans chapter seven we read paul's struggle in second corinthians chapter 12 the thorn in the flesh romans 7 the things that i desire to do i cannot do that's what we call sanctification and uh i believe it's those kinds of things when you're really striving to overcome that thing it's that it's those kinds of things that stops you from being overly judgmental and always depending on god and never getting a god complex what you what you what you want to add to that joyce oh pastor you said gracie there is no ministry without struggle and let's just put this disclaimer without continuous struggle you're right because you don't struggle master that and it's over no you're going on something greater so there will always be struggles but remember it is the resistance in the muscles that cause them to be that's right that's right they are so no you don't you don't sit down but uh i think it's with the church and somebody said that you don't you you take advantage of a good crisis don't waste a good crisis so don't waste a good struggle take advantage of it and watch god call you to grow and connect yourself to persons that are going to sow into you got find uh people that are going to equip you and advance you study get connected with the academic classes people that will assure you that the struggle i think there's a message out there that say my mistakes become my messages yeah but my struggle becomes my strength in ministry okay joyce listen real quickly can you just uh can you uh mention your your class that you have coming up and then say a prayer for us because i know you have a prayer call coming up at 1 15. could you do that for us quickly yes i like and and pastor thank you so much what a big hearted pastor and leader we have with us today you're talking about revelant and pulpit whenever i'm in his presence i just sit there i i'll be trying to take notes but he has so much in him that's coming out until it's just so difficult but i also want to speak to this what a man of god that will support someone else's ministry women in ministry a lot of times people will allow you to share what they're doing but they will not allow you to share what you're doing so pastor i do not take this lightly thank you so very much what a leader you are and what a blessing you are yes i'm going to be teaching the class is going to be coming up the latter part of july it is for women in ministry help i've been called what do i do now who called me how do i prepare what should i know what should i not know uh what are the ethical uh things that advances me in ministry you want to make sure what what classes are recommended all great things to help you advance to the place that god has called you to be we all need empowerment tools you never grow beyond learning so i encourage and there are some things women in ministry there's some only a woman can share with you so we won't talk about those right here which you have to get in the class to be be a part of those but we bless you in jesus name and again uh apostle dana carson listen guys connect with him he's going to uh be opening his own his academy again when you are with him whenever you're going in the presence of pastor apostle dana carson go empty go empty so you can leave just completely full and challenged to go to the next level thank you again apostle i appreciate you father in the matchless name of jesus the only name that demons tremble at the name that gives us hope and gives us peace we thank you for this time of impartation thank you god for the persons that are listening that have joined in and have connected with us we declare and we decree that because of what they have heard during this hour that you're going to cause the seeds to be planted in their lives and not many days hence oh my god they shall receive a great harvest they shall have a harvest in their health a harvest with their family a harvest with their finances a harvest with their ministry god i thank you that your word is so prevalent in their lives that whatever they're going through it cannot be compared to the glory that shall be revealed thank you for the opportunity to grow thank you for the opportunity to advance thank you for the opportunity to walk through the open doors so we give you glory we give you honor we give you praise and we release a hunger and a thirst into these ladies like never before not just for a pulpit to preach at not just for an invitation to speak at but more of you let us be hungry for you in every sense of the word and we'll give your name glory honor and praise in jesus name amen amen well thank you so much joyce blessings uh be upon you and your ministry i know you need to go to your next appointment thank you so much for being with us today okay god bless your passion we'll talk later okay god bless all right well listen i know that you enjoyed i know it always goes too short we didn't get a chance to answer all the questions but on my thursday session ask dr carson askthekingdomvoice.com i'll take some of these questions over and i'll answer them for you so come and stream in on next thursday as all i do for an hour is answer questions now you heard her mention about planting a seed and she prayed that uh a divine harvest would manifest i want you to go and sow something right now plant a seed uh you can go to cash app or you can go to our website but i want you to plant a seed and watch the hand of god move upon your life now it's been a treat being with you on today was time for me to go and until next time

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