Real Crime - Suzy Lamplugh

[Music] a guy at a dating agency a single man looking for love as a prosperous businessman he can expect calls from potential partners yet only three months later in December 1987 John cannon the man on the video will be charged with murder and rape yes I've admired a few people like Gandhi philosophers like Bertrand Russell present-day people like Prince Charles its socially aware see people like Bob Geldof but I admire them I don't idolize them financially and career-wise I've achieved what I've wanted to achieve I'm just now looking for what the next thing to achieve chilling found it very chilly John Canaan is a liar he is a cunning evil man and I personally believe mr. Cain is mr. kipper the policeman leading Britain's biggest ever manhunt believes the man at the dating agency is the sinister mr. kipper the abductor of missing estate agent Suzy lamb flue she disappeared sixteen years ago [Music] you know you don't take enough photographs of people and particularly when something awful happens them and I meet so many people and they all say I've only ever taken one photographs she was very young then I think I was about nineteen that was much nearer at the time and she just feared there she isn't that's very much more like like because she was when she just feared [Music] we had a vid graph taken together and the last time we ever did and she almost like a gates behind me really holding me and I always feel that that's pretty much is good guess [Music] the last I saw her was in fact just before my birthday she'd given me a marvelous birthday present in a hotel and game to the theater and she wanted and they were all about it and we sat down and chatted and talked she was doing such a lot of things and she'd had a wonderful time windsurfing you know like all mothers aren't you ever doing sorry I just said and dad mom nice for living and I walked with her to the car I do remember waving and um the next day it was just as though she'd been rubbed out by robber Susie lamp Lou disappeared into thin air on a beautiful summer day in July 1986 she left the estate agents in Fulham London where she worked at 12:30 p.m. one Monday to show a client of property according to her diary he was called mr. kipper there's been no sighting of Suzy lamp Lou since on the first day of this enquiry we established three things one that she left that office at 12:30 on Monday the 28th of July - that night we found her car but one minute past him and thirdly that she hadn't been seen since they are the only three things that we actually know despite the enormous amount of work that's been carried out there are thousands upon thousands of phone calls that have been made tiny fragments of information about a man who might have been with Suzi that day have emerged at the sinister-looking house that Suzi was trying to sell in Fulham number 37 Charles Road came the first sighting 37 shots road was where she was first seen by the next-door neighbor mr. heavy wigglin he was looking outside his window and he saw her with a male about 5 8 5 foot 9 inches tall whom he described as a maquette lead rest you know with a good quality shirt and tie and jacket on and and that's the classic first description we get of the person who became to be known by everyone as mr. kipper I have a artists impression that mr. woodland helped compile another witness saw Suzy in Charles Road that lunchtime with a mysterious mr. kipper she said she was with a man or a man was nearby and he was a very smartly dressed public school boy type was the words he used and but they are the significant thing was that he was holding a bottle of champagne an identikit was made up as a result of this witnessed information a man answering to the description of the aristocratic mr. kipper may also have been spotted with Suzy in Stevenage Road Fulham it was here her car was found abandoned in the evening it was mrs. Dakota left her house number 139 and she walked along Stevenage Road and I saw a guest standing I see a car in a car it was a straw hat it amazed me because it was wet posh she also saw nearby a very well-dressed mile sometimes business suits had a short hair well brown brown shell hey was tanned it was various squabbled good-looking Susi's mysterious disappearance without trace in 1986 began 16 years of torment for Diana and Paul lamp Lou always in the background of their vigil has been the publicity from a clamorous and excited media that has helped keep Suzy's memory and her case alive [Music] there was something about says that was she had a charisma that's cool the imagination of the major at the time we've kept cuttings ever since she disappeared I forgot every single cut in the was we've got about twenty volumes it must be well in a thousand or two cuttings staggered anything is that even 14 years on she's still able to grab the headlines you've always tried to tape news about Suzy and this happens to be the first recording of Shirley I've seen it done it's very good it's expressing we almost hate to think that she has is somewhere with somebody who has abducted her and that he will let her free well I never find her for a mother whose beloved daughter has been missing now for six weeks the stress rarely shows despite her anguish mrs. Diana lamp Lu types a poignant moving letter to her daughter Susie who may never read it or even still be alive the practic might jog humbly do you believe that Susie is still alive I don't expect to hear a phone call now No how the service at all st. Joseph's Saturday is a memorial service have you given up hope of ever seeing Suzy found her life yes she has been presumed murdered and she has been declared dead after 10 very long yes of allowing Suzy to now fly free [Applause] next police make the first tentative link between the man on the dating agency video and Suzy lamb flu [Music] since 1986 the lamp use have waited while several police investigations tried to discover what happened to their daughter but there's still no trace of Susy and for years the elusive mr. kipper appeared to have slipped the net now sixteen years on it appears the original police investigation may have been flawed from the beginning the wrong picture of Suzy was issued she's shown with dark hair on the Friday before Suzy disappeared her hair had been tinted blonde the police weren't helped by the huge media interest in Suzy's case in 1986 they could barely cope with possible leads that poured in from the general public people rang up and phoned and wrote letters to us suggesting possible suspects and all these you couldn't ignore even 16 years after Suzy disappeared the lamp you family are still bombarded with letters from the public claiming to know her whereabouts oh we get letters all the time we still do I've had thousands all together this one I didn't like it's saying I'm writing to you basically to give you advance warning as a capture of your doors killer they they might be right and that's where one has to read them and we've now handed them all over to the police at the beginning of the investigation the police put all their leads onto an old-fashioned card index system in the first year alone the police were handling an amazing twenty six thousand cards without computers we used a manual system to record our data there's nothing wrong with that system everybody knew it everybody understood it and everybody could access it and it worked for us from the beginning Suzy was treated by the police as a missing person so known criminals were not at the top of the investigation list in July 1986 at the very time of Suzy's disappearance a man was living in a day release hostel just outside the gate of Worman Scrubs prison in London he was coming to the end of an eight-year prison sentence for rape and robbery his name was John Connon we did have John cannon in our system already he just didn't feature highly enough we researched lots and lots of known criminals those with previous convictions for abduction sexual assaults murders those types of crimes we had him and many many others in our system as well and in 1986 the police were handling so many leads from the public they were seriously overstretched it would be a year before they realized the artist impression of mr. kipper resembled John cannon in July 1986 Suzy Lampley was selling in London's frantic housing boom meanwhile John cannon was leaving his prison hostel each day to work as a porter at a theatrical prop hire company his work colleagues Anna where he was inside for rape remarked at his uncanny ability to attract women we went down to enough license and he got into a conversation with the young lady there about wine he said he was having some people round to dinner little celebration he didn't know about wine sandwich he helped him choose the appropriate wines in courses conversation she explained about the wines and told him what her favorite ones were at the end of it he bought one extra bottle gave it to her with all will help and she seemed quite grateful won't that better next week I asked her for a date is that anyway some work colleagues of John Cannon and inmates recollect him saying that he would go to the wine bars in Fulham that he had met a girl down there he was interested in buying a property in the Fulham area unaccountably cannon also had access to an expensive car while he was at the prison hostel I believe he had access to BMWs it was his preferred mode of transport and I believe in the Tom Suzie's abduction and murder that he had access to a BMW his work colleagues would have known nothing about the much darker side of John cannons life born in 1954 into a middle-class family in Sutton Coldfield near Birmingham Kanaan appeared to have everything going for him when he attended the local Grammar School but at the age of 14 he was convicted of a sex attack in a phone box in urging ttan part of Birmingham cannons family was devastated after leaving school he became a second-hand car salesman with this company in Birmingham he even earned the title Billy Liar from his fellow salesmen for his deviousness in May 1978 cannon married June Vale at a church wedding in Birmingham he appeared handsome and charming on his wedding day perhaps he changed [Music] but shortly after this police began investigating a series of unexplained rapes in the Birmingham area a mysterious man was visiting houses with for sale signs and attacking their women owners in 1980 cannon left his wife soon after the birth of their daughter for Daphne's sergeant then in what became his trademark cannon beat daphne sergeant senseless when she tried to leave him from now on his key relationships always ended in violence [Music] in 1981 his appalling behavior finally caught up with him after brutally raping a woman in a shop in four oaks in Birmingham John Connon was sentenced to eight years at the Birmingham Crown Court he served most of this sentence at Hall field prison in Bristol before he was moved to the day release hostel at were made scrubs in London in 1987 a year after he left the prison hostel and a year after Suzy lamp who disappeared John Kernan had devised get another crafty method to find girls through a dating agency well I think apart from the physical side again I think somebody who's pleasant who's natural is relaxed no no no no no well somebody who's career-oriented to myself I couldn't blame them for that if would be partners from the dating agency could be taken in by cannons charm could Suzie Lam who have been deceived as well [Music] in the dark days following the disappearance of Suzy lamb Peru in July 1986 the identity of mr. kipper was still a mystery the lamp news however did have tiny scraps of information about a man they now believe was stalking Suzy he had lots of boyfriends but didn't seem to like this one this one frightened her she told she find a mind very scary she chose that he was giving a lot to flowers and that she could bring him up and he wanted to take her out and I said to him really do you think that's wise because when to disgrace and when she said Emma I think open and I think that the likelihood is that she was a victim of somebody who was a seriously unfortunate against their information which to identify anybody and had an Suzy's uncle mark Howell remembers a conversation he had with Suzy shortly before she disappeared she was saying that she'd come across somebody who was a real bothered ER she was talking about somebody who was leaning on in ways that was unpleasant wrong and she didn't want anything to do with it she was almost angry seemed to me the police began working on another theory they believed Susie could have been in a relationship with John Connon there is evidence to suggest that Susie resisted the approaches of this mr. kipper and as a result of that rejection I believe there was a planned attack to abduct Susie which I believe led to her subsequent possible rape and murder John Connon finished his eight-year sentence at were mid scrubs for robbery and rape on the 25th of July 1986 he was a free man three days later on the 28th of July Susie lamb flew disappeared then John cannon moved to Bristol and rented a flat near the Avon bridge John cannon was putting himself up as a business man from the Bristol area why Bristol I don't know but certainly he was telling people that he was a Bristol businessman Kanaan bought several girlfriends to dine with him at the Avon Gorge hotel and it was also here that he met and began a relationship with ice skating star Julie page later she would become important to the Suzy lamp lue investigation he would pick women up by using a charm that he had he did have a certain charm about him Ginny page for example was in the hotel in Bristol he was in the same hotel he was dining alone she was with a group of people he caught her eye and then sent a bottle of champagne over to her with a note on it saying meet me on the terrace at 9:30 she did and that was the start of a relationship but Julie page didn't know John Connon was also a vicious criminal nine months earlier he had raped a housewife in Redding arrested as a suspect cannon had managed to wriggle out of the charge a few months after meeting Julie page and using the name John Peterson he slipped into the suta dating agency in Bristol to get more women if you could disappear yes I think there's a people I think a ruff would suit me tights and a sword I can see me on some bridge some galleon bigger pirates yes I could I can handle that at this time it was hard to believe John Conan could have been a murderer he was actually very nice I thought he was attractive well presented he had a smart suit on and he came across as a very confident and probably fairly aggressive person but an eye I did actually quite liked him but John can hands life of playboy businessman in Bristol was about to come to an end a few days after John Conan made that video newlywed Shirley banks disappeared in the Bristol area a massive police search spanning several weeks revealed nothing then three weeks later at lemming Tain's par 80 miles from Bristol a man was caught trying to rob and rape two women in a clothes shop it was John Connon it was whilst he was committing a robbery in Lovington spa that he was arrested and he was discovered that there was a connection between him and the murder of Shirley banks Shirley banks his body was later found miles away in Somerset as fell crushed by a rock it transpired that John cannon had abducted Shirley banks sexually abused her a subsequently murdered her and disposed of her body down a small ravine John Kernan had held Shirley banks in his flat near the avon bridge for 18 hours before murdering her cannon had been caught because of a vital clue found in his briefcase a small scrap of paper had been found which when it was unraveled turned out to be the tax disc of Shirley banks his car with that scrap of paper also came the first link between John Connon and Suzi Lampoon Tom cannon had taken the mini motor car belong it's surely banks and put it in his garage he had crudely repainted it but significantly it changed a number plates and a number plate he changed from hwl 507 n to the letters s LP 386 yes that to us was very significant clearly the letters SLP could have stood for Susie lamp Lou had the killer of Susie lamp Lou at last been found in 1987 there was no direct computer link between police and Bristol handling the Shirley banks case and the met in London the first connection between John cannon and Susie's case was made by the lamp lose and the media it was through the likeness of the photo fit that we had issued it was John cannons likeness to that that there was speculation again from the media that he could be the mysterious mr. kipper Mike barley and other detectives hurried from London to interview John cannon in Bristol but the Met officers knew they had little concrete evidence I was talking to John about the mini that belonged to Shirley banks and in particular and number plates I remember saying to John why had he chosen the letters s LP and did he understand the significance of those letters and he said yes he did and I asked him to explain he said I understand they could be interpreted as Suzy lamb clue the letters s LP and again I said to him explain the significance of those letters he said I bought that car off for Bristol businessman for a hundred pounds he said that man is in a lot of trouble I said to him John you are in a lot of trouble you're in prison he said yes but he said that man committed the murders of Shirley banks Suzy lamp Lew and another girl and I said to him is that menu John he said yes he then said no no no and retracted it very quickly and stood up and we had a break because he was very emotional and I went outside and said to my colleague he said yes he said yes and Mike was quite excited about this but I have to say I wasn't I mean I'd I don't want you to think I'm being negative on this but I genuinely thought that he made had made a mistake not a few minutes we went back in there and tried to recover the moment but the moment couldn't be recovered but I actually believe and honestly believe it for that very brief moment in time that John cannon was telling the truth in 1989 John Kernan was sentenced to life in prison for the murder of Shirley banks and the rape of the Redding housewife the trial judge told him you should never again be at Liberty outside of prison walls [Music] but Bristol police running the Shelly Banks case have been anxious to distance themselves from the difficult Susie lamp new investigation the Metropolitan Police who have looked into this missing girl Susie Lampley the in fact interviewed Karen about it and I know that they've spoken to you to you about it my understanding is there is no evidence to connect him at the moment I've been asked of any connection between mr. cannon and a Miss lump loop we're all aware of the speculation that has been in the recent past so far as my client is concerned his instructions are that he has never met the lady they had only circumstantial evidence but the Metropolitan Police continued with their attempts to get Kalon to confess in prison it turned into a battle of wits John cannon was very experienced at being interviewed by police clearly because he'd been arrested many many times during the course of his life and knew how to turn an interview he made sure he found out the Christian name of the interviewing officer the detective she and kept calling him Byers Christian name so he would use any chance that he could turn the interview around in one interview for instance tea was served and he took charge of serving tea and of course in asking whether sugar was needed by either of the interviewers and one said yes he gets the conversation to a personal level by saying things like you don't look like you did the other sort of person that needs sugar you're not overweight it put the interviewing officer at a disadvantage and also Kanaan kept asking him questions which he then started answering and there was one point where he was actually having to defend the way he'd been conduct his investigation I think he thinks he's more intelligent than he is I noticed during the interview and kept using a particular long word thinking it meant something else I'm just looking now I'm in a sedimentary period where financially and career-wise I've achieved what I've wanted to achieve I'm in a sedimentary period I'm in a sedimentary period those are plays actually in Peru corbaccio futures moving sinker ruins battering future battery future even in prison it wasn't like interviewing someone who'd been sentenced to life imprisonment you know it was he treated as though we were meeting in a pub over a pint psychiatrists have had a look at John Cannon and one of them quite pointedly said to me that this is a man who can dispose of a human life with as much emotion as you and I throw away a toffee wrapper without the discovery of Susie's body it's been impossible for Diana and Paul lamp you to put the tragedy behind them we've been through telephone calls with people saying and by the way we have a corpse here has your daughter got gold teeth and then we've had another one saying and we've got part two a body here skinned how long will her legs that's very tough but quite suddenly in 1990 the family had a lead on Suzy lamp who's possible whereabouts the ice skater Jilly Paige who had a relationship with Kenan in 1987 remembered an incident one occasion John cannon took chili page from Bristol to Birmingham up to up the m5 motorway during the course of the journey the discussion came round to Susy Lampley in fact I believe it is John cannon who started the conversation they were driving in the area of Norton barracks and he pulled in the side of the road and he gestured into the into an area and said oh that's where Suzie lamp Lu is buried or all words to that effect and shortly after that John cannon took Julie page to what appear to be a deserted army barracks I later visit data area very large overgrown deserted disused barracks I was so taken with the possibility that something could be there as I drove into the local town and bought a disposable camera and went back and took some photographs of it on his way to the barracks Kanaan had told Julie Paige do you want to go where Susie went the conclusion that we came to that it was a viable prospect to search norton barracks for the for human human remains Canon also told Julie page that his nickname was kipper because of the kippah ties he wore it would of course be incredibly expensive it would be very manpower intensive and the decision was made that the evidence was not strong enough to support such a large and costly operation [Music] with no confession from the imprisoned John Connon and without Susie's body as evidence the police by 1990 were no further forward apart from the extraordinary coincidence of the minis number plates the case was going nowhere during the 1990s the Suzie lamp loo investigation slowly wound down but if the police had almost given up the lamp Lu family hadn't I was trapped and that adds up to a huge energy which is not expended I really can't describe the adrenaline which rushes through you and I heard Rendon's their to go I don't find your child you what to get out there you want to shout you want to scream frustrated at the lack of progress in the investigation Susie's family had channeled their energies instead into setting up the Susie lamp you trust [Music] for us this is a national organization born out of their own loss that campaigns for a safer society as a result of what happened to Susie the trust campaigns to reduce violence against individuals at home and at work [Music] we work for everybody for people and about that you me our kidneys grannies etc we work for children and schools we are for people in the workplace for all those people we have a complete range of resources from the very young this is preschool books for children under three there's Lila who's lost mommy at the seaside and as Jack who's lost mommy and the shops teaching children personal safety but also of course getting the message across to them to the Barons then we have a safer travel booklet for the children who are leaving school who are going out on work experience it includes information on 236 countries around the world this is our shriek alarm the whole purpose of alarm is to shock and disorientate the attacker and this is the atrocities and legacy for Susie I think it's quite remarkable legacy so many people want to do something that is positive of some problems and this was real we find them education needed help we looked at transport and that needs a huge amount of help I do a lot of work on the trains now and the more you looked at it the more you realize that we unearthed something enormous over the years the trust has helped shape new legislation on safety in this country we put a huge amount of work into stalkin and the work to be done there there's a lot on sex offenders and young girls who are abused sexually abused or boys were sexually abused the thought of I was doing it undoubtedly drives one along certainly what drives us personal is that in some funny way we're sort of doing it for Susie and that does energize one in New Orleans me next the clues that lead the police to look for Susie's body in the year 2000 John Kernan was serving life for the murder of Shirley banks in a top security prison in Yorkshire it was a long way from his fantasy lifestyle it's just a beautiful country it's clean its precise great well yes that's right because that see it's a folk rum if you like of Europe it's a folk rum if you like to love Europe even though he was serving a life sentence as far as the media were concerned canon was still the chief suspect in the Suzy lamb flu mystery in the summer of 2014 years after she disappeared the police put a new team on the case it was part of the Mets policy to try to solve outstanding cases the new investigation was headed by Detective Chief Inspector Jim Dickey or my internal reference in essence was to eliminate or implicate John cannon and the more we looked at it it was more likely he was going to be implicated than eliminated and that is true to this day these are the original card-index system in summer 2000 the new investigating team began by computerizing the 26,000 entries in the original card-index system they're talking about thousands of Cod indexes you can imagine the time required to search in any of these and obviously there's a potential for human error as well in my view would have overwhelmed 14 years on the police made a startling discovery other estate agents in the Fulham area had been visited by a man calling himself mr. kipper I believe John Canaan visited a number of premises in Fulham and probably elsewhere on the pretext have been a potential buyer I believe it was done with the purpose or to look at but potential victims for abduction and murder [Music] the original dark-haired picture the police issued of Susy was then changed to the correct image with blonde highlights almost immediately a new witness came forward he remembers jogging in Fulham on the 28th of July 1986 the day Susy disappeared he saw a woman with blond hair struggling with a man in a BMW and I came out of the park to be met by a BMW which tore across the road come to a halt was somebody with their hand on the hill are pressing it for a very long time as I stood there I saw a blond young lady she looked as though she was laughing or she could have been screaming [Music] what worried me you know was how could she drive when what was going on it never occurred to me that it was a left-hand drive car although the police searched for years they never traced that BMW the jogger had provided good circumstantial evidence but it was still not strong enough to prove John Connon was the man who had abducted and murdered Susy lamp Lu so next a decision was made to search for Susie's body chief inspector Jim Dickey hoped this would yield a DNA link to Quran the police began looking at Norton barracks first named ten years earlier by ice skater Julie page it was the area detectives Bali and Adi had once suggested was worth searching I know she's dead I don't exactly release finding out what precisely happened we might very much we might feel that we were very relieved and we might feel that it was very nice to be on foot it's easy to sleep the team faced the costly task of searching a huge area for a body buried years earlier the latest police technology satellite imaging could in theory show heat from remains or earth disturbances in the ground from 14 years earlier they began a huge five-day search in December 2000 [Music] it would be lovely for me to be able to hold her hand and to some way be able to take it off share I think it is the pain that she must have gone through because I think every mother feels that they should be there when their child needs help and we've never had that opportunity it would be my office if we could find him but somehow I don't have huge open it's a long time because there's such a lot in the case they want to make absolutely certain I think we have to answer every phone call to the lamp whose became an ordeal throughout the five-day search poor limply right and how's it going down there otherwise where - everywhere yeah they haven't found anything and then find anything of significance it's very wet they had to dig trenches to drain the land off before they could work in tiegler's by the end 30 people working there to be honest I think they're not tremendously optimistic about finding anything what's the latest on the search what's happened today well search is now finished they've done everything you possibly could and they haven't found I would be amazed if they could do it after such a length of time I realize quite how destroyed I wasn't I got a phone calls warning and I didn't realize how much inside me out she [Music] detectives are questioning a man tonight about the murder of the estate agent Suzie Lampoon John cannon was tonight being questioned at London's Hammersmith police station is his vision of kidnapping and murdering her in December 2000 John Connon was brought from his prison cell to face an exhaustive series of new police interrogations in London Detective Inspector Stuart alt did the questioning John Kernan was certainly not the John Connon that I had seen having viewed the dating agency video he's put on weight clearly he's 1516 years older and the condition that he was in certainly wasn't the smart debonair young man that he depicted in that in that video they said they told us that it's been going extremely well and that he has been talking and they're not looking for anybody else he hasn't been doing about Suzy in the sense that he's been saying he's done it but I understand that they put scenarios to him which he has discussed his body language convinced them that it is him it is literally cat and mouse in dealing with him but one advantage I had when I interviewed him was the benefit of his techniques from research of his previous interviews but if mr. Kernan wishes to protest his innocence both for Suzy lamb flu and Shirley banks we may draw a parallel between those two we know he's abducted and murdered Shirley banks and he stands convicted and I feel that is the same for Suzy lamb play against such two other places there's a place where Shirley banks was thrown and there's another place which we don't know yet when John Connon murdered Shelly banks in 1987 he disposed of her body in a remote area in Somerset aptly named dead woman's ditch in May of 2001 it became the focus of another search this time for Susie lamp Lou the police were exploring a new theory based on the figures in the new number plate cannon had fabricated for Shirley banks mini SL p38 6s could mean Suzy lamp load a third victim of that year could also mean an ordnance survey grid reference which incidentally is very close to dead woman's ditch in the Kanto Kiehl's [Music] but in spite of another massive and costly effort the Metropolitan Police search team found nothing then last summer the police were able to prove that Kanaan was in Fulham the day Suzy disappeared an eyewitness said a man resembling John Connon was seen staring into the window of the estate agents shortly before she left we have evidence I could put John canang in the Fulham area of the day Susy Lampley went missing and the day prior to her going missing and in the Fulham area generally and I personally believe that mr. carrion is mr. kipper but in spite of the new evidence the Crown Prosecution Service in a dramatic statement informed the police there wasn't enough evidence to send John cannon to trial as a result of the reinvestigation into the murder of Susie lamp loon we submitted us file of evidence to the CPS in June of this year recommending a prosecution they recently advised us that they they felt we had insufficient evidence at this time this is a defining moment for our family we are greatly distressed and indeed considerably angered that after all these years it is still not possible to prosecute the person who both we and the police believe murdered Susie I think the most important thing for us is that he should not be able to reoffended n we are extremely concerned about that but on the moment as it is it's a long time but it's a huge concern I am certain as I can be without going through a formal judicial process that the the abductor and murder of Susie lamp who is incarcerated in one of the majesty's prisons over the last few weeks um it's been the first time that I've actually really cried so much we are presumably completely changed people with a different outlook on life and people kept on saying that we must go back to what we were you need to do you'll come back to where you were but that's absolutely impossible we are totally different people but that doesn't mean to say that we don't enjoy life and that we don't have fun together and learn a lot from each other and but we're different in a funny way I think we're better people we're I mean I don't know that's for others to judge but I like to feel that we've achieved more and out with our lives since Susie's appeared there are lots of ways we do remember she was some gorgeous and we remember her now as she was she separates lovely that she made that dress herself I was looking at that picture just now while Dan was talking and it certainly it's is certainly inspirational although she wouldn't have meant it that way it was just Suzy pings whose [Music]

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Published: Mon Jun 24 2013