- [Ramin] In the beginning
there was everything, which created everything, which everything then
everything to beauty, to ugly, to neutralness, to
otherness, to mystery. And then they kept beautifuling and uglying and mysterying and additioning
towards everythingness, which also everything. - Hello, I'm Shane Mauss. - And I'm Ramin Nazer.
- And we are Mind Under Matter.
- Mind Under Matter. The podcast.
- And this. - [Ramin] Is the first
time I ever did ketamine. - I spent a bunch of
money on a festival that I went way over budget on, getting this crazy trippy dome, that was really just so we
could do ketamine in it. So we have this lovely area, a bunch of people hanging
around after the festival that helped out with it. We get in the big yurt, we all do a bunch of ketamine. It takes about five
minutes to kick in. I have a ketamine playlist
that I have carefully curated. - So when that
playlist first hits, the very first
thought I had was, "Oh my God, they've
cured suicide and they didn't tell
everybody the cure is there?" - It's a crazy, amazing, beautiful, wonderful,
intense, weird experience, but also, you're just
detached from emotion and any kind of
attachment to it. It's like-
- Disagree. Nothing but emotion.
- I love that you get, we have the exact opposite. You have a lot of
meaning that came out of your ketamine experience.
- Which was, and part of the experience, it even was telling me that
we are kind of representations of the zero and the one and
the void and the visionary and the everything
and the nothing and the magic and the
empirical science. And we were kind of riding
on this tandem bicycle up the endless vortex
of everythingness. And when I say everythingness, I mean everythingness, whereas like ayahuasca
is about earth and DMT is about
hyperspace and meaning. But this was just
everythingness, all of it. - [Shane] Imagine just someone
pushes you out of an airplane without a parachute, but you're
just pretty chill about it. You're like, "Well, I
guess I'm flopping around toward earth, what a view! You don't get a view
like this very often." - Interesting that
you were going down, 'cause I'm not saying
this just to play with what you said, I
literally was always going up. It was an endless vortex
spiral bicycle ride of up that goes forever. Another message that sent was that hyperspace
is just the lobby. - And then about 50 minutes in, someone just calmly goes,
"How's everyone doing?" And Ramin (laughs) he
just stands up and goes. - [Ramin] Ladies and gentlemen, we have a new
favorite psychedelic! (Shane laughs)
(Shane and Ramin applaud) - Exactly like that! And everyone laughed. "Ramin, what did you see? What was your experience like?" In front of everyone, he's
just like, "Chapter one. Everything is everything
is everything is everything is the beautifulness of
everything is that." (laughs) - [Ramin] In the beginning
there was everything, which created everything, which everything then
everything to beauty, to ugly, to neutralness, to
otherness, to mystery. And then they kept beautifuling and uglying and mysterying and additioning
towards everythingness, which also everything. - And everyone was
still on enough ketamine to be like, "Yeah, yeah,
you really summed it up." And then we decided
to do ketamine again. And then we get out of it and then he has an even
better review. (laughs) - Yeah, I thought I gave
it five stars initially but this one was a more
fivey stars of the five. - Ramin goes, "The first one, it was like I was in
the best movie theater, seeing the best
movie I'd ever seen. And then the second one,
it was like I walked out of that movie theater into
an IMAX theater." (laughs) - That plays the director's cut, which is what the movie
was actually meant to be. But I will say that
it is the first time I could imagine someone being
addicted to psychedelics. Mushrooms, DMT, acid, MDMA,
I could never imagine like, "Oh, why would someone want
to be addicted to that, do that two days in a row?" But this one I was like, "Ah,
I could see people wanting to take this every day." And then I just go in and I give him a hug and
then I keep holding him. And then I go "Five, four, three, two-"
- I don't remember this. - [Ramin] "One,
longest hug ever!" - World record.
- And then we had realized we had given each other
the longest hug ever. And I go, "Oh wait,
well why not also do, let's do shortest hug ever." And then, ah! And then we did
shortest hug ever. And then I realized
after that point, I have to continue to
just trust him always. - [Shane] Most people's
takeaway from psychedelics, it's always some
crap that's already embroidered on your grandma's
decorative pillow somewhere. Like, "Oh my, home is
where the heart is! Oh, I've been sweating
the small stuff!" - [Ramin] It is wine o'clock! (Shane laughs) - Ketamine is just like, "Ah,
I turned into a gummy bear, realized that I need to trust
my business partner more." - Yep.
