Question & Answer with Voddie Baucham and Pastor Rob Pacienza

[Music] all right everybody make your way back to your seat for um as we wrap up this time together with uh q a like i said we had over 70 questions submitted when it was all said and done uh so no way we will get to all of them but we will try to focus on the ones that uh vody dealt with uh today but real quick you wanted to say something about fault lines yeah um so i wanted to say something about these cards and and why we're doing this we've never done this before but when uh a friend of mine uh posted um on his twitter about this book upcoming um twitter put a warning on it and then another friend you know did that and try to put a warning on i put something up about twitter put a warning on it and we were you know telling people about pre-ordering uh the book um and so you know this is considered i guess i don't know if it's the the book as much as it is me because a lot of people you know when they put posts of mind up uh they come with a warning or whatever so we're trying to get around that obstacle as it relates to the promotion of this book by the way we've also seen the publisher of this book is salem publishing and they've never seen pre-orders um the magnitude of what they're seeing with this book they just never have and so we're we're doing this in order to try to promote the book and try in order to try to use means that go around some of the obstacles that social media is now putting up for this book and some people have questioned you know well why are you guys using amazon i hate amazon i don't want to give amazon any more of my money okay i get that but here's the deal 70 of all books sold are sold by amazon and pre-orders help amazon to stock the book sufficiently so that in the second or third day they're not telling people um you'll get this in three or four weeks which hurts sales and other book sellers look at how amazon is having to stock the book to determine how they're going to stock the book so we're using this right now in order to help position this book because um i mean as crazy as it sounds we could make the best sellers less with this book then it won't matter if people are blocking this or that or the other and it'll be really hard for people to try to um so anyway that that's that's what we're doing and that's why we're using this particular angle um in order to get this done so i say that because several people have asked you know and several people have even been offended that there would be a link to amazon on here um you know we're plundering the egyptians um yeah are you gonna pre-order that the book comes out officially in april though correct april 6th yeah but we need a pre-order today absolutely all right let's dive into these uh questions um vody the first one deals with i guess you would place this under gender justice but uh for those that are either uh struggling with crt do you want to do the crt no let's do that next okay uh for those that are struggling with uh gender um confusion sexual orientation or even sympathetic to it how do we speak to those people with truth and love yeah um by speaking to them with truth and love um i i think i think oftentimes we we think about you know speaking the truth in love as though somehow there's a formula for particular situations if somebody you know responds a then you [Music] do number one if they respond b you do number two no speaking the truth in love is not formulaic speaking the truth in love is a principle right and speaking the truth in love has to do with your loving relationship with a person so i have a loving relationship with my wife speaking the truth and love to my wife looks one way amen i have a loving relationship with my son my sons i have seven sons and two daughters speaking the truth and love to one of my sons looks different than it does speaking it to my wife amen speaking the truth and love you you see what i'm getting at here so don't fall into this trap of seeing people as constituencies seeing them according to their intersectional reality and saying someone belongs to this intersectional reality therefore this is the way to speak the truth and love to them no speaking of truth and love has to do with your relationship with a person respecting your relationship with the person being wise as a serpent an innocent as a dove and your relationship with the person and having a commitment because of your love for them to not compromise truth we have a question regarding many questions regarding crt critical race theory but before i get to that question can you briefly define what critical race theory is yeah and and i want to give you this um and this this this comes from from fault lines because i deal with this in fault line just very briefly um but before i give you this answer it's kind of like what i was talking about earlier with social justice my goal and my desire is not to is not to build up you know a straw man and not to not to not to build up the weakest version of crt so that i can tear it down and what i've tried to do with crt is allow crt to speak for itself and to use academic articles for example with thousands of references which is huge in academic circles if you have an article that gets thousands of of references these things are authoritative and so according to the most authoritative sources on crt this is critical race theory these are the these are the main um components of critical race theory there's four one racism is normal um it's the usual way society does business the common everyday experiences of most people of color in this country right if you remember the lego movie if you had kids who watched the lego movie for days you were a cinderella everything is awesome everything right um for crt everything is racist right everything is racist everything is racist robert d'angelo puts it this way we don't have to ask whether or not racism was manifested in that circumstance but how everything is racist that's critical race theory everything is racist number two is is this idea of convergence theory this means that white people are incapable of righteous actions on race and only undo racism when it benefits them that's critical race theory white people are incapable of righteous actions on race and anything that they do that that that undoes racism it's because it benefits them not people of color um thirdly crt is anti-liberal and and what what i mean is they question the very foundation of the liberal order and when i say the liberal order i'm not talking about liberal or conservative i mean um the idea of equality legal reasoning enlightenment rationalism um the idea of neutrality right and even the scientific method and finally the idea that knowledge is socially constructed okay so they use storytelling storytelling and narrative reading um as the way that black people forward knowledge versus the scientific method of white people now an offshoot of that is the centrality of experiential knowledge crt recognizes that the experiential knowledge of people of color is legitimate appropriate and critical to understanding analyzing and teaching about rachel about about racism and racial subordination by the way this is why crt talks about racism in terms of a conversation why is it important to have a conversation about race because the only way you really learn about racism is by listening to the voices of minorities by the way this is why you hear things like we need to elevate black voices right why do we need to do that because crt says there is a special knowledge i've coined the term um ethnic gnosticism in order to explain this ideology right uh but crt argues that by virtue of being part of the oppressed by the way this comes out of critical theory and even earlier marxism by virtue of being oppressed you have access to knowledge that the oppressor does not have access to and is blind to by virtue of their position as the oppressor so if we're going to deal with this it's going to have to be a discussion that elevates minority voices and that terminology ought to sound very familiar to you because that's the way crt talks about race and racism so helpful all right so i'm what i'm about to do is combine about 10 questions into one because they're all along the same lines and it has to do with crt i have a pastor that has endorsed crt and i'm now listening to many leaders in the evangelical church that have endorsed critical race theory is this enough reason to leave that church and stop listening to these leaders it's enough reason in your i mean let me talk about your church it's enough reason for you to engage your church and to engage your leaders on on this issue and and on this topic i i don't believe ever in you know sitting down hearing something and then bailing right um we we need to engage with with with one another um as brothers and sisters we need to think more of our relationship with our local church than just i heard something i don't like i'm gone that's good so i have a college age student a college age daughter and i have a son that is getting ready to graduate high school they have a strong passion for social justice as you define it what resources books would you point them to yeah there's a couple of things there's one really good resource um shin v apologetics neil shinvy neil shinvy is um you know he's a scientist i think his phd is in chemistry or something like that um but he's he and shin v is an apologist and uh neil's website i think it's shinvyapologetics.com or shinvapologetics.org um is a tremendous resource he's got a lot of book reviews on uh the main books uh in critical race theory and and things of this nature has got a whole section on it another resource and i quote it from this resource earlier new discourses now new discourses is curated by an atheist he's an atheist that i've become friends with his name is james lindsey but james gets this and james gets it from a theological perspective james is very familiar with christian theology and although he's not a believer sees very clearly the threat to the church and to christianity and so new discourses they even there's an encyclopedia there um on the new discourses website and you can go and look at the encyclopedia of all the terms and it's it's awesome it's a wonderful resource they also have a lot of book reviews on um the the main books and articles and the academic research on uh critical theory critical race theory intersectionality and critical social justice so i think those two things there and those will point you to other other books and also there's a book that came out recently that um that lindsay and helen pluckrose did and that name if you don't know these names so james lindsey helen pluck rose and peter bogosian they really came to prominence over what's known as the hoax papers and what they did was these guys uh lindsay is a mathematician his phd is in mathematics plus pluck rose um i think hers is in english literature and peter burgosian his phd is in philosophy and these guys noticed that in what they call the grievance studies right feminist studies women's studies um you know minority studies african american studies all these all these areas they noticed that these people were publishing peer-reviewed articles that didn't do any research and so what they did was they wrote 20 papers for peer review hoax papers they completely made it up outside of their fields in these grievance studies areas and i think something like 10 of them got accepted and they were absolutely ridiculous i mean the stuff that they were writing was way out there and they were being accepted in peer-reviewed journal articles it was complete trash in order to prove the point that these disciplines aren't academic disciplines well the the people with phds and feminist studies is that's a small list so their made-up name in one of the articles got discovered and so somebody threatened to expose the writer of this article for not having a legitimate phd from the institution so the gig was up but they thought they were going to get two-thirds of their papers published in peer-reviewed journals so they had to kind of admit what they had done but of course the damage was was was done by then um and so these guys they're rock stars in terms of understanding what's happening in academia and what's been happening in academia and pluck rose and uh and lindsay wrote a book called cynical theories um that was is really good and al mohler actually had lindsey on his his show to interview him about cynical theories um and it's great again he's he's not a believer uh but if you you're talking about resources to really help you understand this rather than reading you know 50 75 100 books and and and academic articles um this is a way for you to kind of get introduced to it shin the s-h-e-n-v-i how's the reality of the post-modern world view in our culture the dismissal of absolute truth how has that led to the growing acceptance of social justice even inside the church post-modernism hasn't just led to the growth of this movement post-modernism is at the root of this movement this is sort of a modern manifestation of post-modernism okay this is a modern manifestation post-moderate um so yeah this is sort of a new a new manifestation if you will of of of post-modernism and a lot of this stuff comes out of postmodern theory um these people are these are expressions of postmodern theory in a number of ways so this is very much connected um to all of this and really standpoint epistemology which is big and comes out of feminist theory right standpoint epistemology is just another manifestation of you have a different understanding and a different you know avenue and angle on truth that other people don't have because of your standpoint right this is a very post-modern ideology so yeah this is this is very much connected to post-modernism so you have a lot of christians inside the church saying right now pointing to the current cultural moment saying this is why we don't get engaged in politics how can christians honor god and still be politically active yeah i think that is one of the most ignorant things i've ever heard right this is why we don't engage in politics i'd say this is what we get for not engaging in politics you know um yeah the other thing is this you you can't not engage in politics not when you understand politics rightly right you're you're you're constantly engaging in politics and and with politics but i think one of our biggest problems is we are thinking wrongly about politics and when we say politics the only thing that we generally mean is presidential elections we're ignorant of who our local representatives are we're ignorant of how local policies are affecting us we're ignorant about you know our our potential for participation in politics at any kind of a local level we're just we're ignorant and so i think one of our biggest problems is we've reduced politics to presidential elections and that's crazy it's much more important who your sheriff is than who the president is you did a great job in your first session in addressing no we're we're all about justice we want to be just people so what does a healthy church look like that is faithful to both the word and truth but also faithful to being just what is if the church is not after social justice what does a healthy church look like yeah i i think what it looks like is people who are being taught the whole counsel of god i'm sorry is that my beard okay fear the beard there you go all right people who are people who are being taught uh the whole counsel of god and people who are being discipled faithfully and people who are being taught to take every thought captive people who are developing biblical worldview i think one of we've one of the things we've done is we've fallen prey to this this sort of self-help christianity 10 ways to have a happy life and five ways to reduce stress and for we you know and we stop being theological um and because we're not theological then because we're not applying theology to the whole council of god then we don't know how to think about all of these various issues around us one of the things i love about the puritans is you know like them or lump them right the puritans were applying theology biblical theology systemic theology to everything i mean they're writing about the ethics of bear baiting you know i mean it just it's just incredible the way that they're doing and what this is is an attempt to think through everything theologically and apply a theological grid to everything and i think in a healthy church we we're doing that and in a healthy church because we're doing that we have people who are engaging and standing on all kind of walls out there you know um in in the culture at large i don't think it just looks like you know sort of this this kind of moral majority political activism but i think it's much broader than that and i think we're engaging in all kinds of areas and we're engaging in in in business and we're engaging in politics and we're engaging in education and we're engaging you know in in social issues and all sorts of things because we're applying this biblical biblical grid to every area and aspect of life it's good so often uh passages in the book of acts passages like james one caring for the orphan and widow are used to defend the cultural marxist paradigm and even the social justice movement what would you say to that i'd say a couple of things let's say one that's a gross misapplication of scripture um first of all because marxism has to do with the state right it has to do with state ownership it has to do with getting away with private ownership and private property um for example um when we talk about the you know the believers having everything in common ananias and sapphira ananias comes and god kills him because he lied to the holy spirit not because he refused to give up private ownership of his property but because he voluntarily sold his property and peter says while it was yours didn't you have the right to do whatever you wanted with it well that's a rebuke of marxism right there right the the issue there wasn't a good christian has no private property because no the issue there was you lied and told god that you did this when you really didn't do that you had the right to do whatever you wanted with it but you lied to the holy spirit in order to make yourself you know look better so first of all complete misuse misinterpretation and misapplication of scripture secondly complete misunderstanding and misapplication of marxism which has to do with the giving up of private property right and so no i mean the bible is replete with principles of how we respect private property um and and how we you know use private property and so on and so forth so yeah there's mark and the other thing is marxism is an atheistic ideology uh marks despised religion and christianity in particular so yeah that's that's somebody who doesn't understand scripture and also doesn't understand marxism awesome well we're going to end our time there it is uh 12 30 and like i said last night as somebody was commenting aren't you glad vody's on the team and i said no i'm glad he's the captain of the team and i mean that i mean that i i look at this man and i i thank god for him for standing for the truth and uh i would be privileged and honored to pray for you and i know would you would join me in praying for him he's got a busy schedule he's going to charlotte huntsville back down to southwest florida so and then eventually back to your full-time job but thank you brother for being with us this weekend and uh let me pray for you and for your ministry would you join me in prayer our father and our god lord i just i thank you lord for such a time as this you have raised up this man of god to preach boldly to speak the truth and love and to be a witness to the kingdom of god on earth as it is in heaven and so lord i pray that you would protect him the lord you would fulfill your promise that you will be voti bachham's advocate that he doesn't need another advocate that jesus is enough lord satan would love nothing more than to take this man down but lord i thank you thank you that he is out there preaching the truth so lord would you bless his ministry would your favor be upon him lord i pray that you would use his words words that come from the spirit of the living god to to soften hearts to transform minds lord bless him in his travels lord bless them in his work here in north america bless him in his work uh at african christian university i thank you that he has dedicated his life and ministry to training and equipping people with a biblical worldview because we know lord how we think influences how we live so lord i thank you for placing this calling on his heart bless them and keep them this day in the days and the months and the years ahead in jesus name i pray amen let's thank once again votey bachan for being with us thank you so much for joining us this weekend please feel free to check out the books on your way out and we would love to see you back here at coral ridge if you're looking for a home church we'd love to see you tomorrow morning we have a 9 30 and 11 o'clock service lord bless you and keep you the rest of your weekend thanks again for joining us

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Published: Fri Feb 05 2021