Social Justice And The Gospel: The Statement Framers Panel

this is the first time that we've had men together and one of the things that you would notice about all the men that are featured on our panel that have been speaking with us are men that were part of the framing and crafting in the original signers of the statement on social justice in the gospel and so that's who is represented here we're here in unity and also with great concern not making light of anything that we've discussed I think to a man we can all say that this is one of the greatest concerns and greatest issues that has been raised against the gospel and against the Church of Jesus Christ certainly since the Reformation and yet the rapidity in which this has moved across the church and across all all sectors of denominations and so forth has been absolutely lightning fast but we do want to make sure that we're addressing things but we have someone that is new that that was not able to give a presentation that's with us and that's Pastor Tom buck and he is pastor at First Baptist Church of of Lindale linsdale lyndale and in Texas and I just want to lead off with a question for Pastor buck and and that's this that you're a pastor of a of an average Church in the center of Texas and for you to speak to pastors about this concern because a lot of a lot of folks it's like you're not I don't even understand why I need to address this issue even though they aren't in the middle of a of a large metro area that's dealing with gentrification and all the other issues why should folks that are out you know in a rural church or pastors that are with a congregation that's been replicating itself for years why should they be concerned about this movement well first of all I want to say just how thankful I am to these men for the presentations they've given up here on stage I don't even begin to think that I can hold a candle to the level of intellect they get that it's gathered up here in fact I feel oppressed by the intellectual privilege that's up here right now but I feel impressed by your boots hashtag me too not 9 months ago I mean nine months ago I really had no working knowledge of neo Marxism intersectionality critical race theory so I appreciate and I'm thankful to these men for having done the work and laboring in that so I guess what I hope to contribute as I thought about ever right now and a few thoughts is to bring a perspective of an average pastor who's trying really to catch his breath from the pace of how fast the social justice movement is sweeping through evangelicalism this time last year when we gathered in this room for the g3 conference the MLK 50 event had not even taken place the MLK 50 event has proven to be not just a one-off event but it's really become a launching pad for the whole movement in the SBC and evangelicalism is stunning really what's transpired in the last nine months I have found it to be for example you know last year I didn't even didn't think of myself a races at all but I've come to understand that I've actually been one my whole life after what I've learned in the last few months of what would be said in the social justice movement but I literally sat stunned as I watched him LK 50 i hearing his was said earlier about some of the things that occurred I heard Eric Mason talk about blacks who were black on the outside angle in the inside I was stunned to see MLK lifted up and give an unqualified praise MLK who didn't preach a biblical gospel was portrayed as a genuine believer this was then essentially repeated at t4g in a panel there I was troubled to see someone stand on stage at MLK 50 and take a swipe at vodi just because he was unwilling to accept the false narratives surrounding the Michael Brown event that was stunning to me that that took place so that there is there's an assault not outside our camp there's an assault inside our camp and if you and that is one of the reasons why I think that we need to be concerned because what's deeply troubling is I've observed from men that I greatly respect men that I have pointed my church to read men that I believe that we listen here that are of like mine theologically in this room I've them not using the language of scripture commit not having a commitment to the exclusivity of the gospel in this matter the standard of God's holy law is not what's being upheld a commitment to the sufficiency of Scripture is being abandoned I believe and these things are those those things are not what's pulling the social justice strain and I've come to learn that so much of the conversation is really worldly philosophy that's the local locomotive of this of this train let's take one step back from let's take one step back from the center of this issue within the church and let me just ask what are their areas of our culture and society do you see this model of deconstructionism and the insertion of intersectionality and post-modernism what are what are the areas of our society do you see this taking place outside of the church in the judicial system definitely and you know the whole idea of intersectionality is the work of an attorney the work of a law professor and applied in the legal system and academia definitely in politics you know writ large absolutely and I think in the world of kind of nonprofit you know there's a lot of money falling around for organizations because of this kind of thing so if you if you do sensitivity training for for corporations if you do you know any of these sorts of things there's a lot about this is a multi-billion dollar industry the grievance industry is a multi-billion dollar industry so those are some of the main areas where we see it happening isn't it ironic that so much of this has the origins in what's called the grievance studies and you just referred to in academia where you look at the case of an atheist professor who's denying intersectionality Peterburg a seein who is now most likely going to be fired from Portland State University so it's not just a question of what's happening here this is happening everywhere and what are the different air yes you know it started in the 1980s in the academic world and it's infiltrated everything else if your question had been is there a sector of society that is not influenced by these post modern values postmodern ideas about truth the notion that your feelings are more important than the facts I can't think of a segment of society that hasn't been affected by banking industry what banking industry everybody wants the truth when they go to well I think whether you know you could you could be flippant several years ago well this isn't gonna happen in football know what's happening in football you can see well this isn't gonna happen with Disney know what's happening at Disney so you could there's so many sectors that you can look at in the glue that actually holds our society together at the center bode referred to the legislative and legal side of things that's top-down then there's bottom-up which was referred to with the the the women's marches and the March for our lives and all these other things that are happening and then it's even even to the extent that it's allowed to contradict values that we supposedly held dear for example you know title nine and women's sports right the transgender movement is going to destroy women's sports already has because transgender men will always win and so now you have sports where legitimate females are finding it hard to compete because men who are calling themselves women are now you know running away and it's an even in combat sports you know yet there was an MMA fight where there's a transgender MMA this man just brutalizing women and in the name of upholding social justice transgenderism etc were watching this happen and and again women are suffering as a direct result of it right if you're a competitor and one of those sports you are not permitted to complain it's it's too politically incorrect yep in terms of hierarchical deconstructionism what can we see happening you know within other areas that now are now happening in the church itself as opposed to looking outside let's look back inside let's say in terms of tearing down hierarchies or the patriarchy where do we see that in the church everywhere I mean we we we cannot help but see the fact that there is a connection between all these things I I noted for example when the obergefell decision came down in 2015 it says seemed to me like a switch was thrown and the emphasis went from homosexuality to transgenderism but I never thought that would end up inside the church and yet right after the t4g and an MLK 50 thing not only do we have this sudden push for a complete redefinition of gender roles in the church but we've got the reavoice conference taking place at a pc a church and all of a sudden there is a pressure on to change the the narrative of the church in regards to its entire history of understanding that god made man and woman and that's good and it's a proper thing and should be rejoiced in and all of a sudden we're seeing people going well you know we need to listen to the other side on this you know and we need to we need to talk about this and it's just like a a flip a switch was flipped with a burger fell and and and and somebody put the the pedal all the way down and it ended up coming in two places that look I was I was wrong folks I was I just never expected to see it where I'm seeing it now I think it shocked a lot of us we're just like they couldn't couldn't happen here well it is it is yeah every go ahead I was just gonna say you know some of the voices out in the social justice world today are suggesting that this entire statement that was crafted and our positions that it's all based on race well the fact of the matter is simply this if you look at the social justice movement you see and if we use the train analogy shipping container number one is racism or the issues of race shipping container number two is definitely going to be the issues related to women and injustice is related to women but what they want to do is they want to stop talking there but right behind the shipping container number two is shipping container number three which is the idea of gay Christianity and if we fit we are absolutely fooling ourselves if we don't think that the homosexual community is going to try it that they're not going to try to use the same exact playbook that the first two shipping containers are using of course and they already are use in that sell a book I mean I hold in my hand right here the document from living out on how to be a biblical inclusive Church I think living outs more dangerous than reavoice yes and the reason I think it is is is called a halfway house so to speak it's a middle position so you have evangelicals who have come out very strongly and and forcefully I'm thankfully against reavoice who are embracing this and what's a mulberry is saying full fully now I'm not gonna read any motives into Sam Albury but I will say that he's gravely mistaken on these types of things and I think that we often don't we forget that Paul said in acts 22 the Fe the Ephesus elders that these kind of things are going to rise up from among them which means somewhere along the way it's going to be people that talk like us think like us act has appear Orthodox on so many different areas so here you have the language in number two that churches that want to be biblically inclusive need to not have stereotyping attitudes towards sexual minority groups that's the language that living out is using thats a mulberries use this dangerous language i have no reason to think that he's not a brother but yet at the same time he's allowing these things to be interjected into it then on top of that say here it is sexual orientation should not prevent anyone from exercising their spiritual gifts to serve in leadership in the church yeah well but let's let's look at this from where they would say but you know don't we as Christians have an obligation to engage the present culture yes we do but with the Word of God not with sociology and not with all of these other things that I think I would like to hear voter you made a comment recently about the new Canon talked to us about that and what that looks like yeah one of the things that's happening is when you and you address this some James but the idea is when you start talking about this and having conversations about this the first thing that people want to ask is will have you read and then there's a list of books there's a new Canon on this specific issue on these specific issues and the the implication the not so subtle implication is that if you've read your Bible but not these books then you're really not prepared to address these issues appropriately you haven't done your homework and and of course if you've read these books then there's a couple of things that either you're so entrenched in this that there's no hope for you or here's a half a dozen others that you need to that you need to look at next because it's an it's an ever-growing Canon as these books are sort of added to the pile and that there's no there's no end to them but ultimately it is an attack on the sufficiency of Scripture you say yeah okay well this week world magazine printed an article where they said about me personally that I don't believe in engaging the culture where they got that idea I don't know I just disagree with with how the social justice ins want to engage the culture I don't want to engage the culture the way even gage Satan I want to engage the culture the way David engaged Goliath quick excellent but are some cultures better than others yes yes but let's let's explain to everybody if you haven't read the statement that came out of our initial meeting back in June I've not seen anything in that statement that has been a bigger red light push-button issue than the simple statement that there are some cultures because of their conformance to law of God and the revelation of God the embodiment of the fact that we have a creator and he's told us how we can flourish as human beings that a society that embodies more of God's truth than a society that rejects more of God's truth the death Society is going to be a better society it is if you want the test for someone who has been deeply infected by social justice perspective say to them that there is a society that's better that's white privilege that's patriarchy that's that's colonialism that's all the rest of stuff and I had to defend this statement outside the context the United States on the unbelievable radio broadcast of a few months go back and record it November it aired in December and you could just tell in the British context that kind of statement you make that kind of statement and you are anathema it it doesn't matter how logical it is it doesn't matter that it necessarily follows from Christian truth you're just not allowed to say it yeah I'll just say that church history demonstrates this if you look at Scotland and then you go back to what was known as the New Hebrides you find that one what one culture or Society was was far more superior than another because of the gospel and because of their conformity to God's Word and we see that when they sent missionaries to these islands and the missionaries were eaten by the cannibals and so it took the gospel of Jesus Christ to change the hearts of those people but it did not take social justice or some other method it took the gospel and by God's grace God turned those islands into a wonderful place where now that the people are are in their sane mind and and they're they're conformed to the image of Christ rather than the the savage image of their their previous life Tom you were really quick to answer that question yeah and it's obviously true it's obviously true all Cretans are liars Paul said that about the culture on the island of Crete and so if we're gonna believe the Bible we're gonna have to at least start with that but that doesn't mean that there's any one culture that's free from sin I mean people in the world think that the American culture is pretty good because we have folks always wanting to come in here and that's created all kind of crises because of the way that folks have tried to get in here however and I would say praise God for our American life that we have in this nation with this nation slaughters a million babies every year in the womb and so I don't you know anybody would hear me say yes immediately and think oh he just is pro Americana and thinks there's America right or wrong not at all not at all all people are made in God's image and so wherever there's culture there's gonna be some things that are good all people are sinners and so wherever there's any culture there's going to be bad and as the gospel overcomes sin there's going to be more good and you're gonna see that and we've seen it historically we see it today and I just I don't understand the questions from those who say but how could that's still ethnocentric no that's just dealing with reality and trying to take the Bible seriously so assumptions there because the assumption is that when we make that statement what we really mean right is that well American culture white whatever and and so many of the critiques of the statement if we can even call them that have been about what people know that we really really mean that maybe what they said and I agree with what they said but it's one of us yeah however I I know what these guys really mean and I mean when you're dealing with those kinds of critiques there's really not any way that you can go right if if this is if this is a statement and a Simon Simon aim to this statement and you're going to judge me because of you know what you think that I might have believed or what some some what some of my friends but who my friends might have been at some point in my past I mean there's really nothing that I can do about that and that's the unfortunate part of some of the critiques that there are people who would look at the statement itself and have nothing that they could say about the statement as it is written but still avoid it and criticize it either because of you know people a lot debt that they don't like you know in and in the group or or things that they assume we really mean and really don't agree with even though we signed our name to it because it was said it was not what the statement says it's what it does as speech act theory was the fancy way of excusing the fact that I can't find anything in the words that are wrong but I'm just going to attribute to the author's concepts and mindsets that are offensive to me and to my people and there is no way to respond to that other than to say but I could do the exact same thing to you and that's going to end all meaningful communication and so I'm just going to show you more respect by not doing that to you than you're showing to us by doing that what else do we have to engage the culture with if it's not the gospel of Jesus Christ and if we if we begin to the wrong which is diminishing or diminishing depravity or making it look beautiful listen to these statements again from living out and Sam oversight would be crazy to deny the good in permanent stable faithful same sexual same-sex sexual relationships the real elements of beauty in the relationship of the nice gay couple next door exist their commitment and love are part of God's common grace the happiness that your homosexual niece is enjoying is a good that God has created for us to enjoy that is not in any way engaging the culture with a true reality of what sin is one of the things that concerns me about this is all of these efforts and teachings are wrapped in love and compassion we're loving we're compassionate we want to be loving and compassionate and whenever you guys speak against that you're just being harsh and mean and cruel and unloving it is not loving to tell somebody who is taken over by passions for there's other the same sex that they're okay and that that's a good sign and that your joy comes from God it is not loving to tell somebody that because the color your skin you're either automatically in an oppressive class or an oppressed class it's not loving to do that it's not loving to tell people who are on their way to hell with their sins thinking that it's okay because they can be this kind of sinner - Christian because people have told them that it's not loving to let that happen the most loving thing you can do is say stop and look at what the Word of God says and there are certain things the Bible clearly speaks to that will not inherit the kingdom of God and so if we really love people we need to tell them the truth but the answer in many ways comes back so many times that you cannot understand the experience of that other person because you're not in their shoes you don't experience the oppression the day experience sowhat's is set up then again I do oh good yeah my friend Bodhi does try try being the white kid growing up off of Northwest six in the second Street in Calle Ocho in Little Havana but the the the whole idea of standpoint epistemology in other words that you can't understand what I've been through therefore you don't have the ability to speak that truth is that is it is that what you call ethnic nos yeah basically that's what I call agnosticism but but there's something else though to and inform you one of the sinister aspects of this is that it is a new white supremacy and what I mean by that is the old white supremacy a lot of it was based on Darwinian evolutionary theories you know you guys are inferior because you revolved from inferior primates the new white supremacy says you guys are inferior but it's okay it was because of our privilege well that's still white supremacy it's it's still patronizing and patting me on the head because you know it's okay and it amazes me that so many black people are are willing to embrace this while at the same time I was in a hotel a little while back and and I was in the elevator and there was a poster up for the local school just talking about the arts and how hard - how important the arts were they were trying to raise money for the Arts and there's not any other and you know people were really - and it was a minority community and people were just complaining about how neglected this minority community is because people are not pouring money into the arts but they've got a great football team and football is incredibly expensive yeah more expensive than the arts but somehow they found the money for their football team and on the arts they go oh poor us but in football I know this because I was here when we would go and play the white school our attitude was not oh they got more money or they our attitude was bring your money and we will show you that it does not make a difference we will that was the attitude but now all of a sudden it's white for the disk and white privilege that so yeah it's it's a new form of white supremacy it's a it's a new form of patronizing black people and I find it quite frankly offensive the other side of it is it is D legitimizing relationships because all of a sudden there's an unspoken rule and that is that we can't speak truth to each other some of us can't speak truth because if you do and somebody doesn't like it and you end up being accused of being at best insensitive and at worst racist you have no recourse and that that's not the basis of a genuine relationship let me read a quote from kimberlé crenshaw and this was in an attempt intersectionality it she's the one that basically created she came from a legal background and this is her in envisioning intersectionality stated that quote it is politics applied to postmodern theory and yet here's the question to you how do you see the acceptance of intersectionality as a truth affecting your ability as minister to the gospel to propagate the truth I've started off just a few minutes ago being very straightforward I believe that the concept of intersectionality is a fundamentally rebellious attitude it's a sinful attitude it's not a biblical attitude it rejects the reality of God's sovereignty and his Providence the recognition that he gifts people and ways that he is pursuing look who wherever the concepts came that have created this monstrosity called intersectionality it wasn't the prophets of Israel it wasn't the Lord Jesus Christ it wasn't his apostles and it wasn't anyone deeply schooled within the worldview that they presented to us it comes from someplace else and when you apply it within the Christian faith you have to end up filtering out pretty much everything that makes life in this world worthwhile because God is causing all things to work together for the good of those who recall those who love him that means he's involved in this world this whole concept of intersectionality is a very naturalistic idea it's very much opposed to the concept of the Providence of God I don't see how Christians I've had I've had Christians say but but you can gain some real insights from it well I can gain some infront insights from looking inside a dumpster too but that's not really something I'm really interested in doing very often there other places better to look I think it's a pagan religion I don't think we have common ground with it I think if you get on the ground of intersectionality then you're just gonna have to give up what the Bible says you're gonna have to give up major segments of what the gospel actually is and so I refuse I reject it outright it's a pagan religion and it's religion that we need to stand against and say here's what the Lord says please [Applause] this questions directed at Phil two for Phil sorry not happy it's not attacking you within the church who is the the virtue signaling within the church within the social justice crowd being done for is it being done for those within the church or for the world you know I'm hesitant to judge any individuals motives I don't know what every single person who uses Twitter to virtue signal and all that might have in mind but it seems to me collectively just based on the way this this is going and the way it's taken over as I said in my message this is just the next version of seeker sensitivity pragmatism liberalism and all that it's the church's it attempt it's the evangelical movements attempt to stay in step with the world and therefore I would say I think it's being done primarily for the benefit of worldly people of unbelievers thinking it and you know I haven't hate to call this a good motive because it's not but I think the people who do it are well-meaning in the sense that they think if I can if I can get people to think I'm cool or likeable or you know really stylish or whatever then they'll be more open to the gospel the problem is once you go down that road and begin to perform for unbelievers you're not going to get around to the gospel it's it's antithetical to the direction you need to go if you're really going to give them a clear gospel presentation in essence even in you know that virtues signaling we agree is completely wrong but what you're modeling then for the church is that the virtues signaling that I do do as opposed to let's say from the time of the moral majority which we'd agree there was many issues wrong with that as well but your virtue in virtue signaling is now where the progressive left is right that somehow that means that you're more real or you're more gospel centered as opposed to someone that would be considered right it's the opposite of the truth I mean look at the Apostle Paul the book of Romans is his most systematic presentation of the gospel I'm not ashamed of the gospel it's the power of God unto salvation if people are gonna be saved it's not because they like me or because my politics are you know appealing or whatever it's going to be because the power of the gospel hits them right after saying that I'm not ashamed of the gospel for it's the power of God unto salvation the very net and you think the gospel that's gonna be good news the very next words are for the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in their unrighteousness and then he spends two-and-a-half chapters basically detailing with Old Testament proofs the doctrine of total and universal depravity saying that basically every fallen human being is in the same boat without God under the condemnation of God and it is until the middle of chapter three or near the end of chapter three that he finally gets to the good news and busts that out the the postmodern approach and and it was the modern approach as well is to is to try to make the gospel sound like it's purely good news there's nothing bad about it you want a better life you want you want health wealth and prosperity that you want to be an altruist for oppressed people or whatever it is it's always something really good sounding and the the the reality of human fallenness just doesn't come through in the contemporary evangelical message and a lot of that is because of virtue signaling we are telling the world look we agree with you it's the church that needs to change not you right and it turns the gospel on its head I would agree with everything I would say that it's in many ways it's become the new church growth movement yep and so what we have is we have this idea of taking woke and attaching it to church we have this idea of attaching gospel to social justice and so what we're doing is we're taking or what they're doing I might as you're taking that this this left propaganda this this political left ideology and what you're doing is you're trying to bring that over into the church and normalize that make it sexy and so then everyone that gets on that social justice train looks like they're that they're up to speed with culture and relevant and that's very troubling and and it still is unacceptable I think you know we're here in Atlanta and a few years ago louie giglio was invited to do the invocation that inauguration and it was discovered that back in the 90s and I believe if I'm if I'm if I'm not mistaken he's drugged or 71 homosexuality and it you know his defense was that basically that was a long time ago and I don't even talk about that but but but think about think about what that what that means that even if you come to a place where you get woke right the the things that you have done and said in your past now also will be used against you so it's it's almost like like you said earlier it's not repentance it's penance and not only that but it's repentance it's penance that that can only go forward that can't deal with what you've done in your past that it just it's it's muddled there is no salvation there is no Savior when you start dealing with stuff like that you know it's not only the what you've done in your past either that's this is a very long train and the minute you accept this boxcar there's another one behind it yeah and coming after transsexuality and homosexuality transsexuality pedophilia is on that train bestiality is on that train polygamy it's I don't know what order it's come in but it's all coming and the classic example of that is IVP InterVarsity not an AA VP but in ER varsity the college organization I mentioned the fact that you know there there woke if they may be the largest evangelical woke organization right I mean they they had their worship team wearing black lives matter t-shirts maybe maybe sojourners is Wilker I don't be good like hamsters a what are they bigger than camps per se yeah I don't know but they seem more devoted to woke nests and yet they wanted to hold the line on the homosexuality issue and so the secular woke world have rejected them as badly as they've rejected the rest of us so there simply is no way to hold on to your Christian testimony and let that train park itself in your station you don't get to be selectively loca right yeah it's and there's always someone who's woke er than now you see that in the second in the secular world as well it's it's that's that's what intersectionality does it becomes a contest to see who can be the most politically correct the most victimized and the locust and nobody ever wins everybody loses in the end you look at the the women's movement how they're turning on each other right now so that it's not it's not good enough to be a feminist yeah and it's not even good enough to be a black feminist you have to be a black lesbian feminist and he's probably gonna go even further than that and what really gets lost in a lot of this too is there's real sin out there and now all of a sudden because we're talking about systems and privilege and so on and so forth what we're losing the idea of the individual and the heart yeah I talked earlier about individual relationships but also individual sin and confronting individual sin so now it's it's not me looking into my heart and acknowledging and rooting out the sin in my heart that that's not enough you have got to look at systems and deal with sit and net we go from in here to out there and that's the opposite of what the gospel is doing right yeah the gospel is dealing with in here and it's the gospel dealing in here that affects it impacts out there you know even if you wanted to keep it in the area of corporate sin and I take a risk saying this because I think James is the only other one up here he's not a Southern Baptist but the Southern Baptists as a group are becoming woke and all concerned about you know systemic racism and all these other issues and yet that was the organization that produced Andy Stanley and Steven Furtick and and what about a concern for sound doctrine that is at least as as strong as our concern for the sins of the of the culture are you definitely not a Southern Baptist are you no I'm not numbers man nickels and noses you know how many churches we lose if you start talking about that kind of stuff by the way I'm not unless PC anymore yeah well thanks should we be careful as well though about a lot of the men and I don't want to judge all the intentions of the men but that are really seeking that third way that are saying look we need to listen to to these brothers on this side and that side and we just need to find a middle way and what I've noticed personally in terms of political movements is whatever that happens in terms of that compromise it still always lurches left but what are your opinions on that we used to say the only thing in the middle of the road is a yellow stripe and an roadkill and road kill it's it's it's a common thing and not a very courageous thing to always try to find the middle way and if you look at the drift of evangelicalism in general I'm not talking about an identifiable movement but but the evangelical conviction going all the way back to the Protestant Reformation the drift always occurs because there's this group in the middle that doesn't want to take a stand on any issue and they they think that the truth is always somewhere between you know two competing sides and so what they're always doing is compromising and and what it in effect creates is a kind of dialectic where as you said it it always moves sort of leftward it doesn't go it doesn't ever go in a more biblical direction it always goes in a more secular drift I think there's two issues I think there's tribalism and feminization those two issues on the tribalism side there's the idea that you know you you have to belong to a team and then you are identified with that team no matter what I think you saw this with the religious right right that I think that's where that whole where the wheels fell off of that movement right where that tribalism we belong to this group instead of King Jesus it's this is my party and and and I go with them so I think that tribalism is an issue and then there's this feminization this sisyphic ation if you will we don't know how to fight we you can't there is an eleventh commandment the eleventh commandment is thou shalt be nice and we don't believe the other ten right and so we don't know how to disagree with one another that's right we don't know how to have an argument with one another because tribalism says all right once we start fight well then that means you must be with the other tribe right and so you you you put these two things together and and you end up not getting at the heart of issues you end up not disagreeing agreeably and one of the things that amazes me about it is if you look at the disagreements in the past if they were so much more irenic and yet so much more clear and passionate right yeah now we're not as irenic and there's a viciousness to it the level of castigation of one I mean it's just it's it's horrible and it's because of this tribalism and yet and yet it's also this sisyphic ation right and the one thing that will get you absolutely clobbered is not being nice right right and on that same vein we're talking about tribalism and so forth is that and kind of a collective is that you heard a phrase at MLK 50 repeated consistently evangelicals need to vote differently than evangelicals normally vote is that one way and what way is that to be taken what do you mean is that one way in other words was the intent of that particular phrase consistently brought out in the sense that when it is uttered it does not mean that well if you're voting Democrat you need to think about voting Republican or libertarian oh well it was obvious what was being said it was obviously a statement that was attempting to say that there has been a complete sellout on a political level and again I I can't address that in the sense that I I don't what walk lockstep politically with with a whole lot of folks but what was being said was what we have considered to be absolutely definitional issues and especially this is concerning me the fact that the pro-life movement has now been co-opted right into the social justice movement with the result that abortion is no longer a central focus it may be you may do lip service to it but in reality when you say that your views on a on borders are the same thing as your views on the murder of unborn children you are messing categories so badly that I'm not even sure how to talk to you and yet that's what that's what's happening and it's being done as a part of virtue signaling and it's being done to try to say that hey you know what we can we can go ahead and promote this set of social values so we can start let's not worry about all that stuff about pro-life I'll separate myself from the other guys on this because I don't want them to you know they don't need to be labeled with this but I'll say it and I don't care this I don't bother saying Russell Moore is a political operative and his goal is to radically transform the Southern Baptist Convention to move it from a direction where he criticized Richard land in the directions that he went politically he's doing the exact same thing that they were being criticized for the moral majority he's just doing it on the other side of the fence and he it is systematic I've had conversations with people there are that are research fellows with the ARL see there is no doubt in my mind that they believe because they some of them have told me they believe it that they believe the issues of animal rights and all these other things are just as significant as important as abortion that is heretical and it is sickening that it's happening in the Southern Baptist Convention it needs to stop and if we don't begin to deal with this and speak out forthrightly we're gonna wake up and everything that we worked for for twenty years is going to be lost we fought for the inerrancy of Scripture and it's time to stand up for the sufficiency of Scripture and to begin to deal with these issues head-on I don't mind saying it and I just said it [Applause] I'm gonna give you a Christian or evangelical term and I would like you to give me the postmodern intersectional equivalent okay this week will be will be wrapping up with this yes I'll take 24 most modern terms 20 okay here comes here comes the evangelical Christian term original sin privilege white privilege hi president and was Wallace's book America's original sin was racism race' patriarchy yeah pinup HRU epiphany or gospel or born-again getting well woke and woke sanctification activism yeah it was activism you know at least saying the right things even if you don't do them virtues signaling activism media orthodoxy political correctness the expanded Canon whatever it says though it's not consistent with itself let's not worry about that unification and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit can we phone a friend can you phone a friend what I would say is that what would what intersectionality does is that it unifies in terms of your grade of oppression so in serve the unification of the Holy Spirit that Christ is the unifier is that the unification is actually in your oppression and the more of it the better so a constant in filling if you know but the whole emphasis is non unification is division it's almost as to shatter things sure they talk about unity but what they're looking for is yeah welcome ization yeah church discipline shame sort of public shaming yeah blocking you own twitter he's the king of that so well i've getting blocked or blocking getting blocked you know the reformer Martin Luther Martin Luther King former Martin Luther King redemption never accomplished a replied there is none there can't be perpetual penance perpetual penance there is therefore great condemnation for those who are in the woke church because if you ever step out of line you want you want you you want the opposite of once saved always saved it better be once woke always woke well if there's genuine if there's genuine forgiveness then the train stops by movement stops and so therefore there can't be genuine forgiveness because then the movement comes to a standstill whoever the Christ is of it never said it is finished the Canon of Scripture the new Canon sociology all of the additives gentleman I want to thank you and I want to thank you as well for being with us this evening I know we've gone a little bit late it's been long but I hope that it's been edifying and fruitful and I hope that whatever you've learned tonight is something that you can take and as well using in your Evangel and your ability to reach others in a loving way we understand that sometimes we must confront but let's continue to do that in love and let's just close in prayer well gracious and Heavenly Father I do thank you for the men that are with me the man that are willing to stand willing to be counted but not for their own good or for their own names but simply for yours and for your truth Lord Jesus we pray that you will be with these men as we continue now with the g3 conference that we may proclaim the gospel in truth and in love we ask this in your name Jesus Christ amen thank you [Music]

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Length: 52min 35sec (3155 seconds)

Published: Wed Jan 30 2019