Psychic Medium Laura Lynne Jackson + Dr. Mark Epstein

good evening everyone and thank you for coming out to the Reuben I'm Tim McHenry a direct programs here and the Reuben of Museum of Art is presenting a whole year of exploring what seems to be a singular idea that the future is fluid and in that fluidity we also welcome on livestream our friends on Facebook thank you for joining us and if you have questions dial them in as it were and I'm sure our digital team will be happy to answer your questions in the process but we've got many questions that's probably why you've come here tonight so what are we doing here what are we why is the Reuben taking a whole year to explore something that always seems just ahead of us the future seems pretty simple well we challenge the idea that we're not actually so much as looking forward to the future is really remembering the future by anticipating the past and taking the idea in Buddhism embodied by parmesan bar the tantric master which whose experiences you can witness on the 6th floor tonight and taking that idea and really understanding that the future ahead of you is decided largely by what you care to remember and on Friday we'll be opening an installation right here in the spiral by Candi Chang which occupies the whole wall and it invites you the visitor to write down your hope for the future and your anxiety about the future and the hope goes on the blue board the anxiety goes on the red board you don't say more so fortunately we've got two really remarkable individuals who thought about the future the past and the present very deeply indeed Laurel and Jackson is here with us tonight she looks at herself as a mother a teacher but she also just happens to be a psychic medium and so she has ventured into what we would think of as the unknown she's taken that risk she's dared to do that and she's come back at the other side to engage with scientists about consciousness and about the state of mind that exists without the potential for body but really importantly as a social worker to help people overcome grief and loss and it's a really incredibly important work that you do Laura and thank you so much for being here her first book was called the light between us and she'll be happy to sign books afterwards if you care to join her then she is joined by dr. mark Epstein who has a private practice here as a psychiatrist here in New York City but very fortunately for the rest of us he's made some of those private thoughts very public indeed and some really trenchant and deeply understood books that again to some extent draw upon his understanding of Buddhist philosophy and translating in into 21st century terms what you and I can do today and tomorrow with these ideas that were really crystallized so many thousands of years ago his most recent book is advice not given a guide to getting over yourself something I think we could all do with but there's one particular phrase that struck me that might actually set the tone for this evening and I'll just read a short sentence of it dr. Epstein writes past and future preoccupy us because we're trying to control things while being in the present necessitates openness to the unexpected rather than resisting change by dwelling in the relative safety of our routine thoughts as we tend to do in our regular lives when meditating we practice going with the flow we surrender to impermanence when we meditate wherever it may lead let us have dr. mark Epstein and Laurel in Jackson lead us today thank you so much [Applause] hello ok everybody this is unscripted we did not plan anything out beforehand except in my mind so what I'm thinking is we could each introduce ourselves to those of you who don't really know either us or our work and then and then we'll start to talk that alright sounds wonderful ok you go first my name is Laurel and Jackson first of all I just want to say it is such an honor to be here when I enter rooms and I ain't to speak with people who I feel energy I feel a beautiful energy rush so I feel each of your individual energy and it kind of makes this beautiful sea of light so thank each of you for being here tonight I think we get in invitations from the universe at all the time all the time and then it's our job to either say yes or no and each one of you accepted tonight's invitation to be here and be part of this experience and part of this conversation so I'm really honored to also be part of this I am a mom I am a wife and I happen to be a psychic medium and it took me many many decades to come to terms with that and accept that I don't consider myself whoo-whoo I was raised by two teachers and I was raised to be a critical thinker in the world and a critical thinker questions always questions and explores and so for me having the abilities that I had I had to go on a journey to try to figure out what they were how to honor them and what my place was in the world because of them and what the journey led me to discover was that the abilities I had I think we all have we just have to tune back into them that's number one but number two they're meant to help people navigate their life paths here because we all have these beautiful journeys that were on and I think when we understand that we're connected to one another and a higher you know realm what I call the other side it makes our experience more beautiful and so I love having conversations about the nature of consciousness the fluidity of time so tonight is ideal for me this is wonderful thank you and I'm mark Epstein I'm the psychiatrist as Tim told you I have a practice downtown some of the people I work with her in the room tonight so that's wonderful for me I had the fortunate for me experience of being introduced to Buddhism of discovering Buddhism when I was still in college early in college quite young pretty ignorant of much else in the world and of really taking to it and exploring it as best as I was able in a period of five six seven years before I surrendered and went to medical school with the idea of becoming a psychiatrist which I did and then I've spent a lot of time sort of on the side when I'm not seeing people individually trying to work out my ideas about how the two worlds fit together the Buddhist world that came to me first and then the Western psychotherapy world that I've grown into and so that's that's that's where I'm at we met on the telephone because of a a friend of mine who's also here told me about a reading he had had with Laurel in which she used to only do on the telephone and I was like I have to talk to her and it took her a year to to get back to me I'm sorry she was busy already that was the universal lining the perfect time it was it was and I've been telling part of this story already and I'll just get it out of the way and then nine years ago my father died of a malignant brain tumor that was only discovered after it was too late to do anything about and my father was a an academic physician and a scientist and a researcher and did not believe in he would certainly not be believing in any psychic medium-- stuff and even the Buddha stuff was like you know he did not want to talk about it he was proud of my writing and so on but we never had real conversation about where where my mind or and heart etc was at but we were friendly and cordial wasn't it strained but he when he got this brain tumor I suddenly realized you know advice not given this is the sort of the seed of this book I realized we'd never really talked about what I might or might not understand from what I've learned from Buddhism about what death is and had he navigated and I decided I would try to call him on the telephone from my office which I did and said to him we've never talked about it and I don't know if you want to hear but here's what I maybe if you do want to hear I could try to tell you what what I think might be true from what I you know etc and he was very nice as I go ahead you know and I said something on the order of you know that feeling that's deep inside of you where you've always been the same you know when you were 20 or 40 or 60 or 80 if you close your eyes you sort of know it like when you're going to sleep at night you haven't nothing's really changed even though the body has changed I said what the Buddhists seem to say is that if you can learn to relax your mind to that place which is kind of invisible you can't really put your finger on it but you could kind of ride that out when the body dissipates and death and he was like okay darling I'll try it sincerely so that was nine years ago six years ago I had my reading with Laurel in on the telephone and after she she does a kind of preliminary thing that maybe she'll explain to you about how the stuff comes through her and she explains it and then gives it gives a sort of sense of your energy that she's receiving about you but then the first thing she said and I brought my notes along from if you want to say the FIR the first thing I didn't record it the the first thing she said was oh your father's here he says to tell you you were right and and then and then and then she says he says you know I thought I was smart before which is like totally my father I thought I was smart before but now we're here where I am now I'm really smart Matt now when I want to know something I just know it instantly so so there's nothing I liked hearing more than my father telling me I was right but that was so I had a whole reading with her then and and then some years later she invited me to her book party for this book that Tim told you about and then I had one more reading with her three years ago and that's been the extent of our communication but it's been so helpful both of the readings that any lingering doubts that I might have had from my scientific upbringing and you know my basic belief that my older belief before Buddhism that when you die it's just over and it's a blankness and you know and then my sense from Buddhism that oh maybe that might not be true and like you know all these weird connections that have happened in my life etc so that's sort of where I wanted to go first is to even though I've talked too long already no no ask you like what do the people on the once the people get to the other side like what do they want us to know that we didn't know or that we don't know like what what's the what are you hearing yeah this is it's such a beautiful question to ask I've learned so much through the readings that I've done III said you know I'm a student all the time every single time I do a reading and I'm learning these beautiful ways that were meant to live in the here and now and how we're meant to connect to one another to give you just a few of the broad things they have taught me is that we all here on earth having a collective lesson in love and so any opportunity we have to give our love and kindness to someone else or receive somebody else's love that's the whole point of life in a nutshell the highest ways that we can be the highest feelings we can have when we're here and the feelings that will always lead us to our highest and our best pass our forgiveness and gratitude coupled with love and so that simple advice has helped me navigate my own path and my own understanding of things they've also shown me that things that will never make sense to us in the here-and-now about our lives are about our experiences make sense in the most beautiful way once we've crossed because our lives so many let's look at our lives you know in such a myopic way we only focus on our own life and our what we deemed to be a success or a failure from this very limited view that we have of what we've achieved or not achieved and we fail to see the bigger picture but when you cross you get to see the bigger picture in an instant and you understand how many of their lives you are always intertwined with and how many moments of connection you had that influenced or helped somebody else on his or her path it's the most beautiful understanding and it happens honestly instantly there's time doesn't exist there as it does here and you know we talked a little bit at the nature of time but it's time as a you know a measure that we use to learn our last and to have this collective lesson in love here and so understanding that that fundamentally what you take with you is love you know it's everything else filters out and you take love and also doing readings for individuals that I've done the information that would come through would frame their experiences that they had had in their lives some that were very painful in the most beautiful beautiful way it all had to do with forgiveness and connection and an understanding and and I think some of us we hold on to these this these scripts about ourselves that we have hidden deep inside you know in my book I wrote about this really profound experience this one woman Joanne had I was doing a reading for her and her father came through and he brought their information first but then he he insisted that I tell her he showed me a picture of a little kitten I got like a kind of widescreen TV when I read it goes on in my mind and I see pictures images and they make me feel things and he said I needed to deliver this message you know really powerfully this was really important to tell her the kitten was alright and she broke down in tears on the phone because apparently when she was a very little girl she had gone and taken a kitten and dropped it off her sixth floor balcony to see if it would land on its feet and it died she never confessed that to anybody but she held this deep pain within her that she was somehow this horrible haunted person and her father from the other side was saying no it's forgive yourself you were a child you didn't understand the kitten is fine you know that's the thing that they teach me that it's most important is that we spend so much time and energy here fearing death and in the end yes bodily death is real but death is not real in the sense that our consciousness stays completely intact and alert the whole time and so when you cross you're no longer confined by these heavy cumbersome bodies that have their own limitations you can only be in one place at one time when you cross and you become you know your consciousness not tied to these bodies you can be in more than one place at one time and you have this deep understanding of how your life connected with everybody else is I don't know if you ever heard that term life review but that's how they explained it to me you should have a life review and we see those connections so that's just the tip of kind of the iceberg of what they have taught me about our this year our connection here and how we need to interact both with each other but also within ourselves so just this may be only me wanting to know this but how do you reconcile like my father they're talking or that you know how do you reconcile that the ancestors seem to be present at least to you available with the more traditional notion at least in Buddhism of life afterlife and reincarnation of so on this oh I completely believe in reincarnation you know I wasn't raised with that spiritual belief every time I did the reading and all I know in my journey I became very aware that that's true life this earth is a school for our souls and what's really interesting too is I think there's some fluidity between the past the future of the present all of that because what they've showed me and you know when I say they I'm talking about this is this is gonna sound way woo my spirit guides we all have spirit guides there are teachers mentor like higher angelic spirits on the other side nobody we knew this lifetime just contract with us throughout time and history religions have called them guardian angels so you can call them whatever you like I refer them as spirit guides and you know what they've told me is they've said okay Lord we're gonna try to explain it to you but just keep in mind that try and explain it to you is like you try and explain algebra to your dog but we're trying to will try to dumb it down enough for you here and what they showed make us they'll use my favorite context they showed me do you know what a maypole is you know and they'd have strings and you'd go around they said think of it this way your soul energy your light energy is part of the greater light energy but it divides out into these strengths of different lifetimes where you're playing a role but it's all tied on the other side that's our true home and it's all happening are you ready for this at the same exact time so the lives that you're having they're all intertwined we have like linear time here but on the other side it's very very different I've tried to wrap my mind around this I've even started studying maybe the science that could help explain this you know I think the quantum physicists are gonna solve this all and prove you know consciousness exists after bodily death there's this kind of Fringe Theory they're you know called retro so quantum theory and it it's it basically they look at how light goes through a you know a barrier it either has to choose to be a particle or wave and what they found is that and you can google this after it'll be much better for you to read it you know in a scholarly way than for me to explain it but what they have undeniably proven through doing these light experiments is that the future and the present affect the past which is mind-boggling but it makes sense with how they explain it to me so or lifetimes that we have it's our way of learning this collective lesson in love and it's all connected to one another and I do think that soul groups get born in two lifetimes together mm-hmm you know we're kind of on these teams of light yeah I was in Hawaii last year with Ram Dass who was a teacher of mine friend of mine many years ago and I hadn't seen him in 20 years but and we he loves talking about this kind of stuff and he had a spirit guide years ago named Immanuel whose favorite thing to say was death is like taking off a tight shoe yes but but he was talking about spirit guy he was ROM Gus was saying that we come in pods he was like using like like pods of people yeah yeah and those kind of conversations like from the from the Buddhist point of view you know Buddhism the psychology of Buddhism is all about no soul no self you know emptiness and so a lot of people who are deep into Buddhist thought are operating under the I think mistaken premise that their self or their soul or their even their spirit is not real in an ultimate way you know so they're trying always to get rid of that sense of something you know that's that I was trying to talk to my father about but the these kinds of conversations have opened up my feeling about all of that so that now I think the Buddhist idea about no self is you know that we all individual take ourselves to be more real than they actually are in the way that you're starting to describe like only identifying with this you know this life these worries this these problems these obstacles etc but that there is there is something that we could start calling a soul that wouldn't contradict Buddhist thought you know the soul that they were negating isn't necessarily the soul that you're talking about but what is the like so are you do you find like Kant you're talking consciousness when you say that consciousness well here's more of my question like who decides the civil tests you right yeah you know I think that we decide our soul test and I think when we cross were but we're all together you know I think it all aligns because while we have these individual experiences we're all part of the same whole the way they've showed it to me is we're all different leaves on different branches of the same tree and when we cross we can download somebody else's consciousness their entire life experience in a millisecond and when we get that download we're experiencing everything they did in just this moment in this blink and so truly what has happened to them really happens to us we're all the same we're all connected and I think in that sense we really are just one giant soul that's been shattered into all these points of light to have these experiences to rise back together and I think it's once we understand that you know what they've taught me about true success in the here and now it's not about having more than somebody it's not about having power over someone true success is finding and honoring the gifts you came here with you came programmed with sharing them with others and helping elevate others so we all rise you know together in this really beautiful and profound way I don't know if I've answered your question now yeah I didn't get what the soul test finding the gifts that you came here with I like that but she wanted to know about salt test because sometimes when you use that language yeah yeah I do see so I'll test and I see soul cycles so you know when I read like I said I I kind of dissolve myself and I go into this other place which is so liberating because I get to leave my ego behind they say it's because sometimes I'll kind of be aware that I'm tied to myself I'd be like oh look at poor little lor she's so limited like oh look what she's going through and I have that awareness and it's really wild when that happens but I think that we choose to challenge ourselves sometimes and it's always about love it's you know every single decision you will ever have here you're in your life boils down to one of two choices you either take the fair path or you take the love path and the fair path hides and disguised itself another way is sometimes but it's so easy it will bring your kind of soul energy your vibrational energy down if you will I could describe it that way it's what will happen then or what if this power is taken away from there what if X Y Z does or doesn't happen and the love path you don't have to be happy when change happens but you do have to understand that there's this greater force that connects us all and it's the universe guiding you to a new experience and that there's beauty and there's a lesson in that and the minute you kind of surrender to that and open to it and trust in that magical things can happen and so I think there are many challenges that we face here I also think we're the answer for one another I think when we go through hardships here that that crippled ask you about we know they crippled our energy it's the people who step up in love sometimes who are complete strangers that teach us our greatest lessons so I think we are both the question and the answer for one another like we've shared a few people who've had terrible losses like when like when a child dies suddenly unexpectedly and they've you know those people have ended up in my office and they've sometimes ended up seeing you or talking to you and getting help from from you how how do you like what's the what's the point of the trauma you know is it just on the voice it's just random or karmic events that we in this world we can't do anything about it's part of the lesson but what like how do you how do you process it people I think for me the bigger question is how can that possibly make sense yeah you know the loss of a child it it's I don't I can't imagine a greater loss and I think it profoundly shifts and changes everything about your life if that happens so how could it possibly make sense why would this you know this loving force this universe is God allows something like that to happen and the Laura version of me doesn't have an answer because I'm stuck in that very the grief feeling for other people and how senseless it is but I can only share with you what I've been told from children who have crossed and from the other side and what they have told me is it's all a lesson in love profound love and that our grief also is that court of love and connection they've said it this way to look in the end it's always a happy ending because death isn't real and so when we leave our bodies we realized I'm going to be reconnected with that soul I'm going to see my son or my daughter whoever it is you've lost and that connection is so solid and real they've explained it like our lifetimes here almost like over to a reality experience and the minute we cross it's like all of you sitting there watching this take place and right after we're gonna all meet each other right off the stage it's that sort of experience where they don't have those people who have crossed don't have a sense of loss but we have a profound sense of loss and so I would say the only way to look at it is to look at the cords of love that were left here you know I've I've heard the most amazing stories of from children on the other side saying here's all the people that helped me when I was ill and that experience of feeling that unconditional love taught my soul something here's what they're doing in my name and I'm a team of light with these people now and my energy is still infused in that and we're doing kindness good things in the world in my name my influence is still there you know and and they'll talk about things that they've changed I've had children on the other side tell me that their parents were involved in you know changing laws here and saving lives of people in the future we're all in this sort of energy together and so I don't think it will ever make sense when you're here but I think the minute you said your physical body and here your consciousness and you get to see the person you're like oh okay you know but we can't have that knowledge until that happens so we're really in this place where we struggle to find the meaning and we look for how it makes possibly could make any sense and I think it requires a very very deep amount of faith and trust in the universe and in connection and in love ultimately what about people we don't want to see again I get that a lot when I do read it'll be like just don't let my mother-in-law come through tell me I'm not gonna be stuck with so-and-so and you know from what I see energy is real and think of it like musical notes or think of it I always say energies like a lake to me I like to use that analogy like at the top the sun's shining there's like diamonds sparkling people are waterskiing laughing and haha everything's wonderful and then you go a little deeper and it gets colder and darker and you keep going it gets darker darker colder and at the bottom there's just like mock and who knows what else and certain people have certain energy that falls on that scope and if you are of the energy at the top you'll never see the fish swimming down here because you just can't even possibly reach each other and so I think that there are certain evolutions that take place on the other side as well this is what they've shown me it's almost like some people have described it like an apartment building some people said the pet has some long lower floor you know it's it's that sort of thing and it's in your consciousness will always know where that is but you wouldn't be connected like that energetically because you're learning different lessons and your mix you're you're doing different you know you have a different purpose you're you're exploring in a different way like I've heard you say in readings that people have let me listen to like oh you're your ex-wife she's got a really bad energy like like it's good you're not in touch with her you mean in the here and now and that well just yeah in the here yeah in that yeah she's not on the other side just in the but but she's in the past but so some of those relationships get like completed do you think well yeah you know I think so sometimes when I read for people - I'll see that the first thing I see when I open to their energy is oh and in an individual if I'm doing one on written readings I'll see it what I call a core aura and in that circle I justit's just a term I came up with for it I'll see you either one or more colors and depending on how its rearranged and what's in there it's an entire language for me so in a millisecond I can kind of download this blueprint for the person's soul and I will see a lot of things and if I see the color purple arranged in a certain way what I know is that the person I'm reading for is an advanced soul who has come here as a teacher and a healer and has also contracted with somebody else's soul who wasn't as evolved and usually it's a contract to be born with one or more parent who's less evolved or a romantic relationship that's less of owned and I call those people purple energy and the beautiful possibility there is that the purple energy because of you know the elevated souls being a point of love in that person's life they have the ability to kind of master their soul test and grow I will also tell you 95% of the time those purple energy do not master their soul test and grow so it makes the person I'm reading for is life very difficult in a way but we can't be in control of each other's soul journeys and tests we can't take each other's soul tests right for each other so at some point there's usually a time period allotted and then it's released and it's also our job to recognize and release when we can no longer help we're not meant to drag our time down that's why sometimes I read I'll see soul cycles I call them I'll get a timeline for the person I'm reading for and I'll see you know from age you know you know 17 to 24 you are learning this lesson this is what they're telling me that you were focused on in your soul cycle and then you've been in this one and then you know you're about to enter another one next year and it'll be a seven-year soul cycle it's almost a theme if you will and I think there are certain people that are brought into our lives at certain times to explore those lessons and that understanding you know there's the concept of people brought you know that you meet are they a lesson for you are you a lesson for them or does it go both ways you know you know it's either a lesson or a blessing some people say yeah I sometimes have patients who it's really not right for them even to be in touch with a given pair and or or someone they were in a relationship with with then there's a lot of like you know guilt about you needing to keep them away but you can see that that's sometimes the right yeah and I love that you used the word guilt because that's a really powerful lesson that I've learned from doing the reading is that guilt serves no one ever it just sits there and it sledges you down and it's awful and there are moments that part of your soul journey and your soul tests us to understand toxic energy and relationships and free yourself from it not in a mean way but with love and understanding that you can't fix that for that individual but if you stay allowing yourself to be almost attacked energetically it's going to shred your energy a bit and you're not on your highest path then so I think giving yourself permission to let go of relationships that are toxic and our of a lower energy is so important okay here's another question we're sort of all conditioned by psychotherapy to think that our personalities our characters our difficulties are somehow the responsibility of the people who raised us or or that you know that our first five years that we can't really remember but you know you know conditioned us in such a way that that that's what makes us who we are but I have more and more started to question that in not you know in my work not to diminish the influence of family and mothers and fathers and siblings and early trauma and and all the things that people come to therapy for but but that's some but that people seem to be not totally explicable by that and that to be focused exclusively on excavating that or or trying to repair what might have gone wrong early and this life might not do justice to what what we're here for so I'm just wondering how I sort of know what you might say based on what you've said already but I kind of like anyway well I think we're born into the families were born into because our soul is chosen that that is that that experience or that test or that lesson is meant to happen for us and whether you have an extraordinarily beautiful gifted loving childhood or a traumatic one it does affect your path going forward I think we're one of the reasons we're here is to exercise our free will and from what I understand from the other side free will trumps everything we may not be able to choose what happens to us all the time there are certain points of light that have to happen to each of us it's almost like a connect-the-dots but what we do control is how we embrace what happened and I think again the lesson there is forgiveness love sometimes forgiveness of yourself of others and and focusing on love and and finding a way to navigate your world without guilt by confronting the grief and moving through it and past it it's almost like our childhood lays like the slab like the foundation but what we build on that that's up to us so I think it's so complicated and it you can't ever separate yourself from your childhood but you also have such a path ahead of you to explore and create whatever picture you want from that so I think it's um they're they're meshed together in a profound way but your childhood and the family you're born into does not ever define the course of your life or who you become and what do you think the place of our music and creative work of all kind so I love this question I love this question so much so I have a lot to say about art from the other side what they have shown me is that so when I see creativity I see it as the color orange and I see that in people's energy I can see if they came here with an artistic gift or more than one and what I also know that is they also need to bring art into their world but this applies to everybody when we bring art into our energy it's like turning the brightness up on our connections to each other to the universe I know because I feel it when somebody creates a work of art whether it's a painting or a song or whatever it will be there's this beautiful that channel that has come through them no artist works alone every artist works with this beautiful team of light and this download from the other side you know just to give you a little like just to talk about one particular like a literary work you know JK Rowling talks about how she got the entire download she called it a download for the Harry Potter series in this flash on a train and I was like that makes perfect sense that was the team of like giving her the download you know even sometimes when you you write a book is just instantly it comes through when you're painting something it comes through you you're the vehicle it comes through but it's connecting and creating with a much higher realm and when we then experience art whether we're looking at a painting or we're listening to a song and music as one of the greatest ways to experience I'll explain that in a moment we connect with this grand grid of life to the creator of it the artist here who created to the team a light on the other side and to everybody else who has viewed it and enjoyed it and what the other side has told me is that the way to heal our societies and the way to advance our societies is to embrace art now we're in a very sad way because in you know in the United States it's like in in grade school elementary all of this gym class is mandated but art class isn't and if you look at the cultures and the societies that have the greatest expansion of thought ideology and connectedness and all of this it's times when the arts were fostered and encouraged and celebrated so truly art is the answer to everything in a way and when we bring it into our energy that lights us up and then we can become a better version of ourselves music will shift your energy completely it will clear your kind of vibration it can shift how you're thinking it influences and affects you and even if you're the worst singer in the world please go sing a song you love because when that vibration comes through you it's incredible it really is so art is is truly so necessary and so needed both creatively allowing yourself to explore and also drinking in as much art as you possibly can and what about anxiety what's the point of anxiety well anxiety I think you know the interesting part is I think anxiety takes place than this like monkey brain chatter part which is your frontal lobe I love work with scientists you know I told you is a very long journey to come to understand my abilities and part of that included you know going to a psychiatrist making sure I wasn't crazy and then working with scientists to try and figure out what is different about my brain that I'm able to do this because I think it has implications for all of us and I truly think we could all do this and what they found is that when I go from somewhat normal mode they told me when my brain doesn't look normal even when I'm in normal mode but mostly I'm in that frontal lobe in the frontal lobe though the brainwave activity there is analytical thinking thoughts language math skills everything we learn once we start formal schooling around age five and up which is why kids are very very psychic and then all of a sudden they're not and what I think happens too is that when I read what they showed me is my entire frontal lobe turns off the brainwave activity silences it looks like I am non-religious when I go into reading mode psychic and then mediumistic and different parts of my brain light up and I think we all have that capacity to connect in that way and I think anxiety is it's getting you stuck here it's getting you stuck in this frontal lobe and you're not able to trust that there is a plan you're eight not able to trust that your life isn't just how you're seeing it and how you're trying to figure out there's a surrendering that needs to happen I think when we surrender everything to the other side and it's a feeling more than it is a word we shut off that part we connect in a much deeper way and the anxiety will dissipate it's when we think we're in control and that we have to have the answer and we have to work it out a certain way and if this doesn't happen oh my god my whole life is gonna fall apart that's when we have problems is when we start getting stuck in ourselves so I like that's a sort of conventional description of you know too much thinking self preoccupation too much ego etc and that there's something intuitive that can happen when but what what you're doing differently is is connecting it to what you're calling the other side or to a team of light or but so you you've actually had that visceral experience yeah but I think part of my point is this is what the scientists have told me they said we all have a switch in our brain that can shut this down and plus connect with some people call it our higher selves God whatever you want to call this higher energy of love and connectedness it's just that I know where it is I think we all have it and I think next time any of you are feeling very anxious are very caught up in a moment try to take a deep breath in because breathing really can help kind of all our energies align I always say we have like you know I say it's be any body mind and soul as a triangle linked together but breathing seems to like balance like very deeply in through your nose and out through your mouth like four times you're gonna find that that anxiety and the chatter goes down because you're whether or not you realize that you're connecting with this higher kind of source of power it is not unique to me we can all do it yeah so it's been an interesting learning experience for me because it's helped me in a very practical way mm-hmm but I struggle with it sometimes y'all get very caught up in the here and now and the anxiety and then I'll take a moment and I'll release it and it's it's beautiful when you release it and where is that that you're what you're calling the other side and where they when you get messages from like where are they it's a great question where are they whereas the other side that's such a great question system it no it's it's a great question it's like you know you look up at the clouds you're like oh you know out there if you start looking at NASA it keeps going like there's no you know the other side is right on top of us the way they've shown it to me is like a piece of paper we're here they're here like think of a tissue it's it's not fin and we can also connect with it because it is right here with us have you ever seen the other way that I've tried to describe it have you ever seen one of those pictures they were very popular in the 90s or like a little bit before and if you looked at a certain angle it was one picture and then you went this way and it was like a piece of paper like it was a whole other picture that's the other side it's right here it's right now it's not this grand separation so far away right with us and what about dreams I think dream this is what happens when your dream it's amazing because that frontal lobe goes offline and so like it or not you're able to connect with the other side I would fear about sleep - I don't think we sleep just to rest our physical bodies I really think if we're like cell phones you know we need to recharge with our spirit soul energy on the other side as well and that is one of the number one times that your your chatter is quieted and so you will get your own messages a lot of times in dreams you will get very symbolic dreams and it will be the energy of the feeling behind it and also the symbolism that matters because on the other side there's no English when I translate what I'm hearing it's this emotional language that I then translate into English I will connect with people whose relatives spoke you know Chinese or Russian and they'll let me hear the language for a moment so I can identify and tell the sitter but then I'll understand completely what they're saying animals too and almost cross and I do get messages they'll tell me all sorts of things and I will hear at times like words and things but the language of the other side is really emotional and symbolic so that will happen in our dreams and in our dreams too we also have visitations from people we love from the other side we're all mediums you know it's just you have to get rid of like all this to recognize and allow it to happen and so I always say visitation dreams feel very much 3d and there are they're an experience you feel like you've experienced it and you wake up and it's still vivid in your in your like mind and in your energy where you know you were just with this person that you loved and usually in the dreams - there's no dialogue it's just telepathic you understand the thoughts quick show of hands how many people have experienced that pretty neat I'm conscious of the time because that's one of my jobs in life [Laughter] so I've developed creative ways of saying that time is up we have a lot of time for questions and so on I just want to ask you one more thing about drugs and alcohol like like what you know like what are they here for not medication drug not not I'm not asking you know like Western medicine or anything but the the sort of power that they have over us or the need that we have for them well I think there's a different extent to like every now and then in a recreational way versus people who really end up with addiction because you know when I talk about that Lake and vibrational energies when we take drug into our energy system what I see for all of us as always we're connected to each other with these cords of light and to the other side and when you go into heavy drugs those cords dim and you disconnect and then you feel so you're not tapping into the purpose that you're here so that's with drug abuse or with heavy drugs but I think recreationally if somebody has a drink now and then I think what they're really doing is they're shutting this up right for a moment and here's the ironic thing there's a magic little formula that psychic mediums know it's two drinks within a 90-minute period and the information just flows if you go it's no I would you know not recommend that that's it it'll shut down after that but I think that there is some switch there that it kind of alleviates and for some people who maybe drink record it maybe they're tapping into that a little bit but I also think the whole idea of drugs too is we're here to help each other and I think that people who turn to that are usually an extraordinary pain and they instead of confronting that pain they try to distance themselves from it but when we get into addiction in order to distance themselves from the pain they're distancing themselves from all the cords of light at the same time it it goes hand at hand so it's never the answer I like the image of the courts of light yeah yeah well we have a lot of time for you guys you certainly do and your hands are going up already I see one in the first row I I have the privilege of actually asking the first question cuz I'm because I've got a microphone right here you you learn and you were very emphatic about what opening your you

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Keywords: rubin museum of art, art, public programs, buddhism, Brainwave, The Future Is Fluid, Mark Epstein, Lynne Jackson

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Length: 47min 47sec (2867 seconds)

Published: Fri Feb 23 2018