Part 2: Melanie Gibb describes zombies, JJ disappearing & the 'fatal attraction' between Chad & Lori

September of 2019 Laurie moves to rexburg all right did you know she was going to move did she talk with you about this before well she didn't decide until I think August maybe and how did she break the news to you well she said that first she thought Chad would come to be with her in Arizona and then she said I think I changed my plans I think I'm supposed to be up there he says I'm supposed to be up there but I need to get my own answer to find out if I'm supposed to be there because she didn't really want to go there at first and then she said I was told yes I need to go and she needs to be there by a certain time and so she decided to go and then she just told me that I need to go up there and at that time you're seeing her every day with no not every day at this point it starts to slow down when Charles passed away I didn't see her as much it started kind of tapering off in the end and especially when she moved to rexburg it really tapered off because she was now and then plus she had been to a few different places Hawaii and Texas and so you know obviously I couldn't spend every day with her yeah it started taper down after she started moving more and before Charles passed you're talking to her a lot and is she telling you that she wants to get a divorce or she's saying Charles is pushing this divorce on me she says that he wants to get it but she does not want to she doesn't want to go through another divorce again I want to get back to that in a minute but in September she moves she tells you that she needs to go up there and what was your reaction about Chad telling her she needs to come up there knowing that Chad still has the wife and five kids well we talked about that I'm like it's not gonna be awkward she was uncomfortable with it she believed that Tammy was gonna pass away though before she got up there and that didn't happen she didn't pass away before she cut up there and so I thought you know I said aren't you uncomfortable maybe he'll see she'll see you guys together and so I thought it was different you know that she was gonna be up there when he when she was came he was still alive and she told you well Tammy will die before I move up there right how was she going to die I am I heard a few times maybe through a car accident or something like that so they thought Tammy would be in a car crash yeah would pass away then Laurie would move up there and then she could marry Chad and when that didn't happen she said I've still got to go yeah cuz you know the other side of Vail she's talking to I need to be there by this date and she's communicating with someone someone yeah so she moves up there and from what I understand she and Chad would walk around the track at byu-idaho holding hands maybe kissing you know just displaying looking like a married couple well she told me that they did walk around the track together she didn't tell me what they did or didn't do but I did have an opportunity to walk with him and then we walked around and looked at the different pictures I had never been there before so I saw the pictures that were and the gymnasium or you know behind it where they have those beautiful pictures so we talked and we walked and yeah they were I was surprised I'm like aren't you worried that people are gonna see you and she says well Tammy doesn't come out a lot she doesn't come over to this part a lot so they were openly affectionate yeah and they said a lot of people that didn't that knew Chad didn't know what Tammy looked like because they didn't do a lot of the things together did Chad ever talk about Tammy possibly passing away I can't recall if he said it but I know she did he was very quiet most the time he let her do most of the talking how would you describe his personality at that time just reserved reserved yeah reserved a little sometimes he came across not very confident did you stay with Lauri at that time when you went up to visit her and were the kids there JJ was but Ty Lee was not was not where was she I was told she was that BYU BYU in Provo Idaho BYU in Idaho would that have been a normal answer like a normal okay that makes sense type thing well I knew that Ty Lee had had her GED that she got when she was 16 or 17 I'm not sure exactly the age and so it could have been plausible but it didn't feel like it there was definitely question marks I it was question marks for me it didn't feel real it didn't feel like the truth I didn't know what to say about it I know I wouldn't assume that she had done something to her so it was kind of I don't know it was unusual but you didn't question her I didn't question it was JJ with you on the walks no where was he who's at home by himself his uncle was watching him Alex yeah okay so JJ's home with Alex but there's no sign of Ty Lee correct and how long did you stay with Lori that was it for a week so Thursday to a Monday morning I'm assuming Ty Lee never called her she never called Tyler she didn't even talk about her never spoke about Ty Lee did she speak at all about JJ mm-hmm yeah I mean he was all around us and we were talking about him quite a bit actually what did she say as I arrived on the Thursday she had said that he had turned into a zombie the day before I got there and she was pointing out behaviors of his like look how he's doing this that's unusual or look how he's doing that and she was trying to create uncertainty and me about what I saw his behavior like she what do you call that like a doubt a doubt and I was looking at him and I thought well I I don't know it kind of looks like J to me you know hyper and angry one minute and kind of chill a crying the next minute like that's how his behaviors always were around me I don't know if they are always like that but that's how I noticed him when when I was around both of them and she just gave me a few scenarios of different things he would say that sounded a little unusual I didn't hear him say it but she should share things like he said this or he said that had she talked about zombies before and what did she tell you before JJ what did she teach you about zombies and belief in zombies so so the first person as we all know as Charles was considered one and that was brought to Laurie's attention and by Chad on the phone phone call I was in her house when that phone call came in and he described to her that Charles was no longer Charles that this unclean spirit that was friends with Charles on the earth you know when they used to be friends had now passed on and now he isn't this unclean spirit on the earth roaming around and now he's attached himself to Charles and now he has entered his body and taken over it so he's not really Charles anymore he's now this guy named Ned Schneider and so it was when she told me and she seemed blown out by it you know she was I could tell she was like that is really different and she told me and I thought that is very it was just you know because Chad had this this influence on people because he had visionary experience you know he could see things at least he said you know he appreciates that he did and and but I do believe that when you think somebody can see things or have visionary experiences about things you tend to kind of believe them more than the average person because you know if you asked me I'd say I don't see anything so you wouldn't take my one point of view or in my opinion but if you had somebody that was really good at having visionary because he often said that it was like the veil was open when he had his near-death experiences so he often said that veil is open all the time so he had this way of seeing things that Laurie and I didn't have that that wouldn't have that gift of seen but I do have come to understand that that gift has been manipulated by the adversary and so by Satan absolutely she told him all of this she did and you're saying Laurie even felt uncomfortable with that information that Chad had told her in the work the first day I'll say the first day that she was trying to absorb it I knew it was new for her and Chad's the one that called Laurie and certainly an evil spirit has attached himself to Charles that's right named Ned that's right any idea where that name came from I don't know how he got his information other than she would say he would often sit in his portal and receive revelation about people so he's sitting in the portal most likely and received that and she she's he's telling Laurie you know Charles has his evil spirit he's a zombie I'm not sure if they used that word in the beginning okay they didn't use that word right away they probably said that someone has taken over his body name in this Ned Schneider she tells him he becomes worried actually goes before a court and says she needs to have a mental you know a psychological evaluation right did you go with her to that evaluation I did and what was that like they received her and she said oh that you know she passed with flying colors and she got out quickly and I waited on the outside for her you know and then Ty Lee is actually the one that picked us up from there and when you say passed with flying colors do you know what they did was it just an exam where she filled out a questionnaire she met with a doctor they they went in the back room and they just talked to her about all kinds of stuff and asked her all kinds of questions I we didn't get she didn't tell me in detail all the things I probably didn't want to know but yeah she seemed that she she wasn't evaluated as mentally ill so she they ought they said that she's like oh you're fine we know that you're not mentally I mean she gave that's what she told me that they said to her so do you think she was honest with them and in her religious beliefs or did she lie and and give them the answers they wanted to hear I don't know I don't know what they asked her I I didn't I should have asked her that but I didn't so she gets out of there and is that when the whole incident with her purse happened shortly after and tell me tell me about that she accused Charles of stealing her purse from me or the car right right so she went to drop off JG at this school that he goes to he was out of town so his truck was new from the airport and so when he came back from his flight there was no truck and so then I don't know how he you know got around or anything maybe he called a friend I don't know what he did and then I got to remember the details of this I know she had JJ she dropped him off at school and then he came to this school and then he opened her car door took her purse and then took off and then she got in the car and she didn't see him I don't I don't believe she saw him and then she's like her purse is missing is all of these things are happening there's there's a lot of bizarre incidents did you ever think what what is going on here how can there be this much drama in one person it was a lot of drama and I would ask them like why is these things keep happening to you you know because I have never been around so much drama in my life I'm kind of a chill person and so it just seemed like there was one drama after another drama and it never ended and so I just thought wow this person I used to say to her why is everybody in your life turn into zombies like why is everybody after you like why I don't understand and she would say well it's because you know Satan really hates me and I'm a you know because of my exaltation on the level that I'm exalted - they're coming straight after me so anyone that would have disagree with her or caused her any sort of problem would become a zombie pretty much or either consider to be dark they're a little bit different but that's another discussion yeah from what I understand Laurie knew how many zombies were in every state and she could tell who who was his ambiance and there Nick she couldn't know the whole world's name so she would just have a number Chad would give her like they would I guess he would receive revelation on okay there's this minute so that was their Commission though to get rid of all the zombies before you know tribulations came upon us that was their goal and how would they get rid of his own B's through some kind of prayer that they would do which they believed was effective because they'd go back and you know check in the porter - how many died and the number would come up oh you know ten thousand died or whatever but there was no way of knowing it was real does that make sense I mean you have to say does that make sense Nate I know so let me get this straight they're saying there's 10,000 zombies in Idaho go into the portal say the prayer come out and say oh we got rid of a thousand of them something like that let's talk a little bit about Charles and then we'll get back to September when you got to the house because from what I understand Laurie received a revelation that Charles was supposed to die in an accident on his way home from Texas correct he didn't die so what was her reaction at that point well I asked him like why didn't he die you you were told he was supposed to die why didn't he die and she said well I think she went to Chad and asked because I don't think she knew the answer to that and so he let her know that the accident that was supposed to happen didn't because of people's choices so when things didn't go according to plan according to a timing it was only because of agency and it would change oh it's because somebody changed their agency very inconsistent and the night before Charles died didn't she call Alex and say come and stay with me do you know she did and then the next day Alex shot Charles what do you think happened there I didn't know about it till like four days after it happened she called me and she's hey did you see the news I'm like I don't watch the news wait a second whatever your best friend did not tell you for four days that her husband had been shot and killed correct I found out through her though she did call me and let me know and she said have you not heard and watch the news I said I don't watch the news and she said Charles was shot and I'm like what so tell me what happened and anyway so I got to visit with her for a while and she gave me I think she gave me the Rand ition that she gave the police you know sounded you know what I've heard it sounds like the same thing as you know he came over and I you know the question that I had that part of me was like why is he coming to get you and kill you like I don't understand why Charles wants to kill you she told you Charles showed up to kill her that was his way is coming down from Texas to kill her mm-hmm and that's why she had called Alex the night before to come over to the house and that he shot Charles in self-defense correct you knew though that she had told you months earlier that Charles was possessed of a zombie correct so did you think well there's more here right because if he's coming down that's why I'm like well what you know like as a person that would perceived the public wouldn't perceive him as a zombie like what kind of reason could he give anybody for coming down to kill her do you know it does that make sense and so she just said well they're after me and I said well why she said well for insurance like I have three million dollars of insurance on my head and I'm like really she said she had she had three million dollars of insurance on her head did she ever talk to you about Charles's insurance yeah what did she say she said that he had I think about a million and that she knew when he passed away that she would kiss she thought she'd get the money so she talked about how when Charles dies I'm gonna get a million dollars I don't know if she was hundred percent sure because she thought maybe possibly it could been switched from her to Kay so she wasn't sure she was really gonna get it or not but it was something she was thinking about and talking about she didn't know that and then when it was when she found out it had been switched to K what was that conversation like well she wasn't overjoyed about it and she's like okay has the money now but she also believed that K was a zombie as well so she just believed that they were all against her that was her belief system you know as time passed she's saying I would get something from you when a spouse dies you get Medicare I think something like some sort of benefit yeah and he was a bit older than her so so she she knew that she could get something still so that she wasn't completely left without anything and she brought that up that she would get money yeah yeah cuz I was like what are you gonna do how you gonna take you know the typical things that you're talking about when people pass away like how are you gonna provide for yourself we heard that she was also getting money as a single mom money from Ty Lee and JJ because JJ had disabilities so I know Ty Lee received money from her father's death and yeah I think so I think JD I did too I I don't remember talking about that too often we figured it out and it was around $6,000 a month tax-free that she she got between the three yeah I think she mentioned something like she could get that much amount something sounds familiar what was your thought when you heard all of this talk about zombies I did question it all of us did I mean I sat and talked to Alex about that a few weeks before he passed away I'm like I'm not sure I'm not too sure about this ami thing he goes a hundred percent believe it he said he a hundred percent believed in yes so Alex really did believe do you think that when he shot Charles that was in his mind then yes yeah Charles is a zombie yeah and I must get rid of him yeah because he really felt to protect his sister that was his duty to protect his sister mm-hmm so by the time you get up to her ex burger in September this zombie talk has become normal or at least you've heard it before correct and so let's pick up where we were a minute ago with JJ's she tells you right when you get there JJ's a zombie correct and starts to point out things that she believed had some defied him right and you're thinking as an outsider what I'm looking at him and trying to discern and I'm it looks normal to me I couldn't tell so I was like you know there was a lot of doubt there obviously I mean it's hard to believe that completely I I don't ever even believe that Laurie completely ever believed it you don't I think she you know like when you want to believe something sometimes and you listen to people tell you like maybe she's listening to Chad or maybe because of why it was happening you just sometimes you really want to believe stuff just because you want the outcome as much what you're desiring to have and so yeah I I don't know she I think she believed it to a certain level I'll just say that but I don't know I'm not confident that she hundred percent believed it it sounds to me that Chad was kind of calling the shots she would say he's so much better at getting revelation than me so I've just I used to get a lot but I rely upon him a lot more now so she trusted his because she was not considered a visionary right so he would tell her these people whatever whoever was around or these people are doing this they're doing that they're Derek or they're zombie or whatever he was the one that would she would call and ask this question she said she wasn't very good at getting the answers do you think Chad told her that JJ had become a zombie I think so yeah so she tells you all these things you're kind of like he looks normal to me looks like normal JJ yeah did it worry you and all of it oh no look what happened when Charles became a zombie something might happen to him um I didn't think she would do that because that's her boy you know we had actually a talking about this she goes well I need to you know it's time for JJ to I don't know how she worded it but it was something to the effect it's time for him he's in the way of our mission so we need to send him to Kay's house that was kind of like the ideas what can we do and so we talked about Kay and we talked about some of her family members that could actually take him on and so we talked about you know what that conversation would be like with Kay and she wasn't sure if Kay would really receive him and so we talked about just different ideas about you know him going there and so that was the plan that I knew of is he's going to case house she told me that I know that from what I saw one of the video clippings that she also told a neighbor that as well and so that's what I believed was gonna happen to him so I left thinking that that's where he was going this case for sure I didn't doubt that so as her friend you're saying okay he's a zombie he's in the way of your mission she said that so you guys came up with a plan of why don't we let Kay take care of him or someone in case family had you dealt with Kay before I met her briefly but I didn't interact with her okay mm-hmm it was like hi how are you I'm Melanie and that was about yet so even though Laurie had an issue with Kay she was willing it that day at least to say yeah we'll send JJ - Kay correct you leave Rexburg that's right thinking JJ's gonna go to Kay's house that's right he never saw Ty Lee the whole weekend right because she was at college allegedly what happens from there this is where there's a big turn in my life this is when it hits the fan this is the part that I hate talking about yeah this was hard for me I'm sure I talked to her a few times on the phone she did express that he went to Kay's house okay so I don't know when she told me but I would say within a short period of time after I left she called and said he's a case right and she said oh yeah we met up in the airport and she received him and he's going to go stay I mean she gave me the whole story the whole story so I just you know I believed it and it's about Thanksgiving and everything changed I thought he was safe and I get a call from Chad two days before Thanksgiving I still feel emotional about it said Melanie it's Chad when the police call don't pick up the phone and my heart just dropped I was so confused I'm like what this is yeah the police over at Laurie's house checking on JJ and I'm like JJ's not with Kay no my heart drop deeper and I just knew something was wrong but I didn't know I didn't understand like you know what could well when you believe your friends are good people you couldn't believe that they could do something like that what was Chad's demeanor like on the phone was he stoic what was he like he was very nervous who's nervous he was very scared he did not sound himself very unsure very quivery almost yeah it was it was a hard moment so that call comes completely out of the blue out of the blue wasn't expecting that at all he says don't pick up the phone when the police call he's scared he's nervous he says they're gonna call you cuz they're at Lori's house and she's gonna tell them that JJ's with you she's gonna tell the cops that JJ's with you in Arizona no I was in Utah the time you were in Utah yeah first of all that's a bombshell that's just thrown I can't I can't even describe how I felt they put me in a very awkward situation did you were you able to even question him or was your mind just I was question in my mind but verbally there was nothing coming out really I did say white she said well kay is trying to kidnap him and I said how do you know that well through emails you know the emails I said I have not read your emails what do they say she said well she said Katie had mentioned it's not like I'm gonna kidnap JJ or anything and I did think to myself doesn't sound like a threat how soon after did Lori then call mmm I can't recall but it was soon after soon after and what does she say she sounded like everything was a wonderful and great she had an upbeat voice and I was you know cop I was like wow she's positive and that maybe it gave me a little hope that hey maybe you know it's not what I'm thinking the worst what did she say she said hey um everything's fine everything's okay and I mean I can't quote exactly short things I said so she led me to believe that everything was fine that you know the JJ was I'm trying to remember how she worded it that she was protecting JJ something to the fact that he you know they were there not just K but it felt like many people were after him and so she was trying to protect him that's what she told me but I've talked to the police before I was like when you get a gut feeling that's real right and they're like yeah you gotta go on gut instinct and what was your gut feeling if something was terribly wrong I I mean it just stayed in there for a long time that gut feeling it did not feel comfortable I something was telling me something's off here I wanted to believe her I didn't want to think that she would do anything like that I really really wanted to believe her what did she ask you to do she asked me to tell the police that JJ was with me and that I when I went because I was gonna go and drive down to Arizona for Thanksgiving and that he was gonna go with me which I didn't know any of this right it's all new to me that she had made it sound like we had ranged it or something but anyway he was gonna go down to Arizona with me and she was going to come down there later and pick him up so that was a foreign idea to me I had never heard of that before so it was very I can't even tell you how uncomfortable you know after I get to Arizona and everything I was talking to Alex's I wanted to meet with him and he goes I cannot believe she threw you under the bus like that so Alex came to your defense and I said I can't believe she did either I said I can't believe she said that I don't that was not smart tell me about what she asked you to do at the movie theater so she said I've told the police that you were frozen too with JJ and to get your cell phone out and just take a picture of random kids running around to make it look like you had him with you and I was thinking to myself no I don't I don't make stuff up like that I kept em hmm I don't do that so I didn't I just I'm just in shock still I really really was in a shock type of us it's just you know everybody's listening everybody has different opinions whether they're gonna think about all this right but in that moment I really did not know what to say and and you you weren't in the right frame of mind to question her right and so you hang up that call did she say anything else other than go to the movie theater take pictures of random kids and talk about the Arizona plan I know that at one point we talked about her going on a trip with Chad's children to California we may she might have mentioned it during that time or I called her shortly after that when I was driving down to Arizona it was between that conversation and that I can't recall but that they were gonna go on a family vacation and that they were just going with the kids his kids how quickly did the police call within a half an hour to an hour you after thinking and pondering and talking to a around like there's something there's something off and I admitted I said I'm very very concerned about this zombie idea I really don't believe it and my friend said I don't think it's true either then we talked about we talked and talked to a five o'clock in the morning I mean we talked about everything the belief structure and all these different things we talked about all kinds of things about these doctrines we talked about many things and how they did not fit the pattern that the Scriptures teach I often think about when Jesus Christ was on the earth he healed people he cast out evil spirits he did not kill people and if they did have an unclean spirit he was able to get rid of it and those people were okay afterwards there was no pattern of this behavior he was always sharing where they were inclusive and hiding that does not walk on a path that is light so darkness is always done in secretive and I came to understand that I'm like this is actually a very it has been very hush-hush and that's not how God works you know the mysteries of God which they were always trying to unfold about bringing people to Jesus Christ that's what the mysteries are they're part of them or about that they were not bringing that that was not what was happening it was not leading people to Christ it was taking people away from him or maybe they thought they had this pretend relationship with him and it led to people dying that does not sound like a you know that scripture talks about God does not work in darkness you don't have to be running and hiding when you're not when you're transparent and doing the right thing you don't have to when you're telling the truth you have nothing to worry about so you know one of the feelings that I did want to share too many people listening is that there are many people other than Chad that believe these teachings of many lives or multiple formations within our own church or either close groups that are affiliated and I want you to decide as people that believe this does having this information make you a better person does it make you loyal to your spouse does it make you feel like you're better than other people because of this information I'll just say this way Nate if this had not if this idea of multiple nations had not been introduced nobody would have ever died because they would have never thought they were married before this is dangerous doctrine because this is not how he works he works on a pattern I am the same yesterday today and forever he does not make exceptions to the rule he has no respecter of persons and when we want things we do things that are not always the best all of us do in this planet and the thing that's interesting is we've all been deceived to some level everybody so this is a world to learn truth and air I just got to experience something at a very different level so I got to see something what I would call secret combination unfold in front of me and I got to see it with my own eyes now I didn't see people die or anything like that but I got to see the workings of it it's sound what this is and it sounds like that call from Lori and Chad and the police that was kind of your awakening oh yes absolutely after that long talk with your friend till 5:00 in the morning when you went through everything Chad had taught you right and all of that that you said this is this is wrong and you call the police and is that when you told them everything you knew oh yeah I told him everything just like I'm talking to you I just let it out and the interesting thing is is that everything I share with them is documented right was before anything came out on the news so people can say well Melanie learned this from other things maybe oh no Melanie didn't this was back in December in December the early part of December before the first release the press release because we talked about the dates to make sure you know I was and I was accurate and if--and I knew that I was but I just wanted to make sure and I and I said look this is stuff I know so when I go to the police and share all these things about multiplications they were married before people are zombies and things like that they were not surprised when they were looking at me they're like police work and I was like this like it was hard to say it I couldn't even say the word zombie when I first talked to them it was just too painful to say it because I'm like oh this is so jacked up and yet they go we've heard stuff like this feel you know it's okay we've heard all kinds of stuff coming you know we've been policed for a long time we've heard a lot so you knew at that point that this was foolish and you were embarrassed yeah absolutely I said I'm I'm gold and the reason that you want to make it clear that it's not like you picked all this up over the past few weeks you know you knew this and said this back in December oh yeah before any of this came absolutely and I was on her team right not on the opposition's team to my work you know what I mean if we were gonna talk call them teams I wasn't affiliated with Charles or anybody he was affiliated with I was only affiliated with this small group of friends and when I shared everything I did it was the same things you could read on those doors those court documents that Charles presented which I didn't know all that stuff was on there you know because they started exposing that on the news so the stories you know for all those that do believe in Schad and love him and I love him too and I know his family loves him but I knew about these things before the news released it and it is documented so I am only here to share the truth because of those have passed away and that justice needs to be served my hope is that they will look into their hearts and start to repent of the things and confess the things they did Chad and Laurie John and Laurie but it's hard to do that when you if you're Laurie think about this and my heart breaks for her she's got a mitt that these people are dead and it was because of their teachings and their ideas that they had these things happen it's hard to admit that you would have to admit that you actually had something to do with the death of your family you know what I'm saying does that make sense Richard so it would be hard to say my belief systems are faults because then she would have to say yeah this happened I do feel sorrow for everybody involved both sides both sides because everybody's hurting from this she's in the jail now she doesn't get to be with Chad who she loves that's what she wanted so badly and now she can't even be with him it led it was a fatal attraction that led to their separation and people passing away it is it's a tragic tragic story

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Published: Wed May 27 2020