P-51D Mustang vs BF-109K-4: Dogfight | DCS WORLD

hello valued viewers I hope you're all doing very well and today's dogfight is between the classic p51d mustang and Germany's bf-109 K4 curve first the final battle of a mini series we've been doing the Mustang won its last round a few weeks ago in this battle here taking on the focker wolf 190 D9 Dora we found that in all aspects the Mustang just worked better as a dog fighter that's not to say the door is bad it's an excellent if not the best Interceptor but the P51 just won in a dogfight situation the 109 came from this match with the Spitfire and it's a bit more controversial the Spitfire won the 1v1 battles but when it came to a group V group battles it turned out the 109 one every time against the Spitfire we think that's because the Spitfire has better turning attributes so in the absolute 1v1 when it's a pure term match the Spitfire comes out on top but when it's a group V group the High Altitude boom and zoom capability of the 109 just seemed to come out slightly on top and because of that and in real life group situations would have been more prevalent than the more rare pure 1v1s we've therefore put the 109 through so the final is a p51d versus the 109 K4 first statistics we'll be using the p51d-30-n-a Mustang weight with dogfight fuel 8946 pounds maximum engine horsepower 1720 from its Packard V 1650 3-7 giving 423 horsepower per tonne weapons 6 12.7 mil machine guns in the wings maximum speed altitude 440 miles per hour and the all-important wing loading 38.1 pounds per square foot and the coup first loaded with dogfight fuel 6841 pounds more than 2 000 pounds less maximum horsepower with methanol water injection from its db605 engine of 1825 horsepower just over 100 more than the Mustang giving it a power to weight ratio in this configuration of a staggering 587 horsepower per ton more than 150 horsepower button more than the Mustang weapons one anti-bomber 30mm mk-108 cannon in the prop Fairing and two 13mm mk131 machine guns in the engine cowling above maximum speed at altitude almost identical at 442 miles per hour Wing loading almost identical 39.47 pounds per square foot guys we have to make some predictions we haven't tried this because we don't like to do it scripted so pure power to weight and acceleration is on the bf-109 it's got more power to weight weapons are gonna be about equal but the 109 was much more calibrated as a bomber Interceptor whereas the Mustangs guns are probably more suited to shooting down Fighters speed is the same Wing loading slightly favors the Mustang any predictions guys this really is Clash of the Titans this one is it's like both aircraft have each their own buses and minuses against each other and it's the pirate who is able to utilize them the best is going to come out on top of the stock phone both aircraft have variable maneuver flaps I should say the 109 has front slats whereas the Mustang doesn't I think the Mustang will have it because the Almond is more optimized for taking down other Fighters whereas the mesh Schmidt is optimized for taking down bombers with a heavier Armament so the Mustang would should be more accurate at longer ranges and that I think will be telling 100 yeah they actually tend to think that the Mustang will win the 1v1 and a message group fights is that because of his power to get up higher and loiter above the other guys yeah and then like boom and zoom one thing I've learned that's really important in visual fights is the visibility you've got a bubble canopy from the p51d which is brilliant visibility but the 109 has an old-school early War type canopy with terrible visibilities there's something to bear in mind that's definitely true um I think that advantage of the power of the measurement I think is negated somewhat because the Mustang is aerodynamically more efficient the thing is with the speed against the Spitfire the measurement was able to disengage from the fight and re-engage well because the Spitfire didn't have the speed to catch it whereas the Mustang is much closer in speed so the 109 won't be able to disengage with quite the same degree of Freedom as it would do similarly with the Mustang the Mustang would have more capability just disengage from the fight and reposition if it needed to compared to the Spitfire against the 109 welcome in viewers round one of Simba and his beloved P51 I'm going to take the pf-109 Simba will merge then we'll fight we're starting at I think 16 000 feet after that there are no rules three two one go isability or no visibility I'm Coming For You Simba 1825 horsepower in real life they tuned them up to 2000 horsepower some of these yeah the later engine model of the K4 the DC engine that had like 2 000 horsepower um the engine was slightly more optimized for high altitude I think the DC uh engine DCS we have the db605 with the Mustang as well they have the 150 octane fuel put into the the Merlin engines and that gave them close to around 2 000 horsepower as well we haven't had any training time women in practice time viewers though because we're so tall in The Limited moments are all fresh because they will see somebody flying into a website it was absolutely pushing that thing to the max you were saying about the the k4b hard to fight the Mustang is also pretty hard to fire as you saw there it's like oh that's a big round that hit me that was a 30 Mike Mike right in your wingspar Simba yep are you dead Simba oh yeah I'm dead yay all right we'll take that guys next the Boomer Zoom Master himself has seen her in the P51 and good old Matrix in the Beat f-1092-1 battle commence but you don't have to uh this point I'm just trying to see what advantages when I was fighting December I noticed I definitely noticed a whole Tower difference like an outflow in [Music] yay what's every like really managing your AirSpeed with the Mustang it's got to keep your eye on what the cave was doing I find the K4 a bit more forgiving if you lose a wing it gets it back quicker Mustang very hard yeah that's true K4 does have those flats and they help aren't you [Music] seen it being very mature keep doing well within his turning envelope [Music] it makes it a bit more leeway that plane there can take you know a bit more unusual attitudes a bit easier but they are ready to be high still the bike would always go downwards viewers if they're they're pulling hard the bike will always have to go down these conservations I'm six thousand feet but mature viewing from uh could control flying to both pilots and almost done any snap holes in the city that I would do five thousand feet even big jets viewers will always get lower and lower lower they're pulling hard no one's really seen an advantage yet yeah cables won that fight you can see how Cena was watching the nose of the people and when he saw it coming around he had to exit I've always been here short Matrix yeah I took a little bit good deflection shot I was oh I don't know viewers I love a Mustang but I don't know I don't know if I can win this the problem is that Coopers is playing the Mustang at the Mustang's game [Music] that was just good patient flying by maybe just hang right with him I would have snapped before that [Music] it's been very conservative degree which is a very tough attorney luckily the Mustang's engine has not been hit it's um what it is it's a winged trailing something it's with their fuel from away oh Jesus Christ is said just try things you can't outrun him problem is kind of running there's so much power in that cool person it's slick maybe not as thick as this viewer but it comes under this pure power barely do we see here scene is traveling in one of these battles fourth the overshoot by yo-yo from the German I mean it's well controlled Matrix there can see what he's trying to do but if you can see what major is doing is doing that high yoyo to create an actual displacement viewers so that you reduce the overview and he's got a shot and hits oh the engine the engine Athena got him I think the Cena is in a desperate time now got great buy guys really good really good flying showing what I could first could really do next we've got the ultimate German fly in the ultimate German playing the curve first and fire in the Mustang fights boys doesn't get much better than that viewers I've got those video slacks do their job viewers reversal for the Mustang I've got it oh dropped a wing but I had enough energy to recover very easy to do in a Mustang viewers to drop away a very fine envelope maneuver focus it not to black out oh brilliant move from by there that's how you use that 30 mil Cannon yeah I'm dead wowie guys this is America's gonna be so angry with this but it's such a good Plain View I'm gonna try the Mustang I really want to try and get a win because we haven't had one yet monkeys going in a 109 standby this may be bad but 109 really needs one good shot if you want to maybe a reason that's realistic yeah if she could hit it on a 30 year old then that thing scares you damage against whatever it hits you're going to try and work right to the edge of my envelope and not stool away try and reduce my turn radius now I'm gonna go with the black and pressure him what I found is yeah at that speeds we're flying pretty easily g-lock in the 109 yeah gotta be real careful real careful not the easiest plane to fly and I'm aggressive come on hold baby pull pull harder it's coming too much speed coordinate Drake that's up for the pursuit I can't believe I'm not hitting yeah that's what I meant you need really some rounds to kill him those are brought up you're hitting him Dr Wing damn it job to Wing viewers gotta get back in the fight now yeah I'll have to land a lot but it will be very lucky to get a bullet in his engine viewers okay I know how he's staying low viewers I'm gonna get the height a trade that for a snap now that's down okay Circle perhaps up the pursuit and in for a snap oh that looks good we've also fit not to land any of my bullets Harbor site no blood sighted back cut the circle again claps up in the zoo no no lead ah damn it but I think about getting my engine to rest in a minute and circle again all right then you're so low and lose the wing that can't be the last time the six away there but he's not capitalized on it don't say that oh I was lucky I was very lucky that he was flying well in this one great patience really good I don't I was actually the opposite I always hit me forcing overshoot I know he's going faster overshoot and fights off so close flaps down fly the plane fly the plane fly the plane fly the plane fly the plane sweet move pains under control find the body certainly it didn't really work yeah unfortunately weren't able to capitalize yeah that 109 just doesn't stall those slots also high risk how we want foreign turn right awfully worried about my T's and P's right now I'm wondering what monkeys not collapse at all and pursue me perhaps up on judges aspect Road's aspect here we go definitely a hit oh there's some solidness there guy monkey I don't know that's pretty good armor I don't think it's freaking invincible of a crawling of the basically opportunity that's an opportunity might be able to compiler sniper I couldn't quite capitalize on the viewers there's one very fast freaking airplane viewers that's for sure yeah but the engine would start out whatever it is it's not making anyone there hits What's the wing chill they're making her up press the engine he's got to come down traps down by the plane especially after that speeds in the photographer 109 just fighting here perhaps up and pursue just trying to make a control of the guy at the moment here's what I'm trying to do is Major on behind him all points a master fight engine hit so he can't go forever using his better climb rate are you all slow s down lost him there he is perhaps up let's see you I need a lucky here is what I need come on lucky here how many bullets we still have calf oh God ah man I was controlling that fight but yeah that can happen another ultimate American December Wimber wow 400 pinks images uh in his P51 and fly in the coup first off you go guys fights on the desperately need to win for the Mustang to usually desperately needed so freaking bad problems like I said the 109 is playing and it had its own game and it's to be honest a bit better at it some more Thoroughbred I say I put fuel loads low I've forgotten what about like 20 in this aircraft and low as well so they've both got minimum fuel it's gonna make an extra no difference the fuel the amounts I cost [Music] himself to the Limit [Music] but I could just see how that 109 controls itself a little slower oh with a wing loss oh and it's going to be capitalized on so there is a wing on that lamina flow Wing viewers [Music] so I couldn't capitalize good strings from zimba and you know strong enough positions always always got that slight slow speed Advantage viewers [Music] see uh oh I lost him yeah Escape that one right who combined if I've lost each other now Heaven back no I never lost him [Music] both engines are working full power pretty much all the time because they're both in such desperation there's no time ready to rest your engine [Music] [Applause] trying something different oh because it was right on the edges operating right on the edge of his wing there viewers support and overshoot well done one of those lots of boom and zoom I don't know it's coming back down almost a shot from the Mustang there look how he's attenuating the flaps viewers flaps changing depend on what he wants to do with the wing Timber Weber snapshot it didn't quite pay off here yeah oh it's in my mind I bet you've covered from this might push that bit too far can he fire the plane can he fly the plane can he play the plane yes he can no we can't slightly too hard all right guys I think that's the end of the 1v1s welcome first group uh 3v3 Simba hazina and me American Matrix fly and fire in the Germans I think I've learned about these emergency viewers is you must get as fast as you can you'll never get a chance to get your ke up again that's emerge and fight one up two lateral I'm off to the high one guys you never got enough speed I don't think I picked for one phone number clouds the death spiral that I went out already I'm trying to keep my third eye on my mirror viewers to look for anyone sneaking up behind me chip push myself too hard viewers I'm gonna have to exit the fight he's just out turning me now I don't have to worry about too much about someone following me because the good thing is I can get my buddy to come and relieve me I blacked out oh God yeah you're on the other side fire you can block out all you freaking one all right hit someone that's a spiral I don't understand no I killed someone sure he died I shot someone in the oil he's coming back at you he's coming back at you yeah just fly by the sound of it I'm after him now from the lead in front of him viewers looking trying to get his feedback like a crazy German yes uh don't you know what don't give a cap sorry my engine died going vertical I'm talking about the Flaming wreckage trying to get me in a fight okay oh really okay yeah my fetched up over at the moment to just try and find a good opportunity I'm following you here so you know I'm trying to find similar through you I'll happily dive in and relieve Simba and he's going up he's going up going forward oh thanks where we see it we see the fight me again accessibility oh the end just engine was once diving but I give it a try but here from all sides who run out of energy they always do bastard here 30 mil on me Dynamic [ __ ] sorry he's stolen out again I'm going back up I've got a speed [Music] taking a minute just to rest my engine oh he's struggling he's losing Wings gonna be long I'll be long now little man he will ease your suffering sickness I'm just gonna like keep the higher ground yeah you do that same will be tight I'll be medium we'll get my adventure videos if nothing else will burn his engine out because we have we can give our engine a break he can't someone's always going to be chasing he's gonna be amazing gotta be matrix it's hard to shoot down the exhaust smoke all right he's going high hip scissors exit in the fight I'm yo-yoing I lost a ring bear I think sort of a little bit it's got no speed foreign [Music] hits thumb hits and one little chunk of time viewers it's bleeding is bleeding cap flaps down a poor Matrix oh yeah at the blackout I'm going into full ATM oh it looks like a treat that's like my trip oh there was a head yeah I know he's losing oil doing that thing I can't get my deflector on foreign Germans have survived to fight another day we swapped around a bit Matrix Hasina a fire dad Mustang cap monkey fly German don't love this visibility fly I'm using the Mustang but normally I try to keep under them okay all lateral one down two lateral a lot of visibility I've locked onto a guy going high yeah if I go for almost the right one I did I'm almost there entry your fight oh who was coming there from front right I'm all over him like a cheap suit you know where you going where are you going with that ass hits I've got no guns at all uh don't know what to say about that I'm lucky yeah must hate your guns Ash and everything torque me yeah just believe in this thing oh man just stopped working oh man just stopped working there he goes I have a few energy problems there for a minute something to pressure I mean there's the pressure on the fuel rail oh hello Mustang I'm not gonna let him get anything on me viewers I'm gonna go wham straight it flaps down straight on we have an open uh 109 I have 351 on my tail can't unlock him someone else trying to reduce the turn Circle View wraps up no baps down okay ah I couldn't get my nose on him all right flaps down slow it down don't stole the plane probable hits flaps fully down now Landing mode got him Matrix you're my favorite Target at the moment oh is this here where are you fly talk me in probably has seen her ah coming I'm coming but I'm two I'm 30 seconds away just just survive yeah he's mate mw50 off so I'm 20 seconds off 10 seconds five seconds gun's gone to guns disengaged merge I'm in fight now all right I've seen it Cena is exactly where he doesn't want to be down low cut flaps down that's not me okay but it's not hesina you are on yeah all right I'm all over him one one shot and I'll take him out with a 30 mil perhaps all the way down handy mode he was supposed there so Pursuit perhaps up got an opportunity here that was my chance on her Cena let's go ahead shoot there are yeah he's lost a wink he's lost the wing he's out get up all right where's the Cena six we're coming it's coming right towards US foreign guys we'll do one more Germans Matrix fly fire monkey Hasina p51s uh American hey take me out one foreign turn is seen us coming down I got a low turn fight out over the tip you try to cook the colon everywhere that was you must vision yeah I did yeah but you know what I've wondered if a second I lost you the only way I can think of you is going higher and very supposedly again one Mustang down if you've got lower I never like saw you again foreign never gives him an angle viewers and I saw him for the flapster flowing yeah oh oh oh oh almost Awesome overshoot by yo-yo from the Germans and blood flaps fully deflected [Music] I'm just engaging oh the up he's out he's out he's out Hasina and my engine 3v1 oh I wonder man's gonna win again oh yeah it's clear where this battle's going guys right hi where are you I see enough kill the ball uh over over the sea don't know where bit High all right Cena's over here just dragging prey out to sea to where they can't get any help I'm facing him [Music] mid High over sea roughly 20 miles out Charlie again yeah keep that right hand turn our left hand turn going yay [Music] [Music] how did you boys end up out here like took us out here chasing each other for 20 minutes yeah and so I can buy some pool breaks like that but still it means he never really gets a chance to shoot him oh the boys are in now the boys are in we're in uh boys are back in town all right the problem is if it's a senior has to go defensive all the time and he will run out of energy what would you do if you were in this situation we were lucky with uh probably jump out it's okay smoking yeah [Music] scissors must be left-handed otherwise yeah even like defendant because of my always prevents me from going all all way slap yeah when a fire pilot knows his plane viewer you always turn in the direction of the screw because allows you to roll faster in the direction of the air screw hopefully it'll be a mismatch for the hostile [Music] oh my God this is radiator as well oh four rolls let's turn first thing amazing drink none of them pick an angle on it [Music] oh we have to go defensive put it back just just there four four says need some Spitfires I'm of course there will be fun always I'm just waiting for uh boys all right viewers uh almost every single match was run by the 109s and we're not biased here we swap around if you're gonna put these two up as good as the Mustang is the 109 is so beautifully suited for this combination but it's just freaking unbeatable I think the 109 is definitely more docile on the edge and that gives it a big big Advantage I think it's for Leading Edge give you the advantage across when you end up in a turn fire you always end up slow and then the advantage of the 109 kicks in and gives you the edge when did the 109 come out during the war and this isn't even the best dog fighting 109 this is the early ones were better at dog fighting this is uh this was an intercepted version so before I lost the wing in this last fight like I had I was slowly coming around the circle on Matrix in and we were just stuck in a turn that was fire you were with and then so yeah when I went to cut the circle I held it for a minute and then the wing just finally gave out and I was too low when the wind gave out but it's not unraitable yeah you can have to pay four in a turn at some speeds and it's just the fact that the K4 has the crime rate I guess overall it's a I think it rates a bit better than the mustang mustang just has greater you know A1 offer to control really well uh you know like how a [ __ ] wolf does it just obviously not as good as a [ __ ] rope but it still rolls very well you heard it from the horse's mouth viewers I hope you enjoyed it guys and we'll see you later what's up

Channel: Grim Reapers

Views: 29,860

Keywords: DCS, DCS World, GR, Dogfight, Battle, P-51D, Mustang, BF-109, Kufurst, wwII, World War 2

Id: YBB1UY9439A

Length: 39min 42sec (2382 seconds)

Published: Sun Apr 09 2023