Oprah's Next Chapter: Tina Turner (July 2013)

tonight Oprah knows how to pull you out of retirement and so here we are Oprah Tina Turner on location in France just weeks after her new marriage I literally went her first sit-down interview in years how hard was that to hang up the shoes I have to be careful how I say this because the public will get it wrong the rare television appearance I saw you as we were talking about the old days and Ike is it hard for you to hear next [Applause] [Music] [Applause] years before Beyonce and Rihanna were born Tina Turner was selling out stadiums around the world as the first black female rock-and-roll star [Music] and it's no secret I have been waiting for this my home like I am one of her biggest fan cuz she is simply the goddess of rock'n'roll I want to go gotta know his girls Tina Turner is one of the greatest role models for women of any generation every note she sings declares I am here I will not be broken [Music] day at 73 years old Tina Turner says life really is simply the best this summer Tina married her longtime partner of nearly 30 years not a skipper and I was fortunate enough to be there to be a part of that big day tonight our next chapter I'm in the South of France where mr. and mrs. Irvin Bock have been enjoying their honeymoon we're at the most elegant Grand Hotel de copper on one of the finest hotels in the world [Music] look at you you are the role model for the 21st century you make me feel very good look at this well you're fantastic good god girl good god girl have a seat nice you're beautiful so this is one of your honeymoon places I know you've been someplace else for the honeymoon yes this is this is a part of my honeymoon but as everyone says Oprah knows how to pull you out of retirement and the honeymoon okay so you've been on honeymoon for a week and I wanted to ask is there something you need to share with us are you pregnant are you pregnant now don't go start having children so I thought I knew you pretty well and then when I heard it announced that you were going to get married and for what and for what can you answer that question there comes a time in life and as everyone knows I'm 73 years old you must put things in place first I started consolidating getting rid of property yeah I got rid of the house and property in America yeah I say made a situation for my sons yeah anything that was costly I totally got rid of yeah and then the next thing I found that if something happened in death for me which herb and I weren't married before now he would have no say and I thought was a bit unfair to live with someone for as long as we are and not to give him any say yeah Tina and Irvin met in Cologne Germany in 1986 at the time urban was a record executive and picked inna up at the airport before a concert despite a 16-year age difference Tina says she felt instant attraction so talked about marriage before because he said to me didn't he ask when when I was 50 when I was 50 years old he asked me if I would marry with him oh I was so cute but he's much younger than us and I simply said I don't have an answer because it wasn't yes and it wasn't no so he has about marriage he said we have to do something because if something happens to me you can't get my money okay I kind of thought like marriage says ownership you are my wife you am I and I didn't want that mind anything anymore it had enough of that from growing up with you know with my family and that situation I just didn't want two hands and control anymore yes I didn't think that urban would but he might have because psychologically that that law changes people's now about that has been the thing for me have to do certain things now because you were my wife well yes and also this that what happens is is that people I think traditional men feel like the word wife means something yeah I noticed you had these at the wedding like fans for everybody which was great yeah you know sometimes in a restaurant you'll see a really lady dressed very nice and she picks up a menu or something and little fan there's always a little bit fine is a little nicer you planned every detail of that wedding that's was one of the most spectacular weddings I'd ever seen more than 200 friends and family members joined Tina and Ervin at their Swiss estate chateau Algonquin just as Tina envisioned the wedding was magical with personal touches from her everywhere [Music] Tina's longtime friend Canadian rocker Brian Adams performed his classic song all for love as the couple walked down the aisle [Music] the pink Armani flower girl dresses were just the most magnificent I've ever seen and one of my favorite details a stunning wall of roses created by celebrity florist Jeff Nathan well I knew it was something going on when the wedding invitation requested that all the guests wear white because normally you never wear white to a wedding that's what there's no one said yes so I knew that you must have been coming up with something spectacular you and Giorgio Armani that that dress was something I have to tell you do you have a favorite moment from that day the day of the wedding yes do you have a favorite moment okay I have to tell you because I started to plan it January and I had really gotten tired I was tired of thinking about it I was tired of waiting for the day I wanted to get in the car and go to Italy before it's time I said you know what darling I'm gonna miss all of it I won't see it so then he he started to think for me so he said you know what if we get a place in the house where you can sit and peek and look watch people coming in so your favorite memory is looking out the window and watching us all come in so I stood in the window and I've had it open just enough and you could see my face reacting to certain people some I was laughing and some was awesome those ladies dresses were yes everybody looks so yes you know what was very interesting about it and I was so absolutely honored to be there and I at one point to someone I said this feels like get the Great Gatsby for real and it also anybody who's been in an experience like that you feel elevated by the experience that's what I feel elevated by the experience it realize I am rock and roll my I cannot envision performing any other kind of way but the other side of me is that elegance and that's what I wanted for that day it was not about my career play my music or to wear hot funky clothes yeah it was to wear the best I could be yeah and that I wanted my my garden my house and my yes to be the best they could be when they were and they were no one ever knew on stage how much I really was tired of singing and dancing you retired of it [Applause] [Music] and now an exclusive moment from Oprah's next chapter brought to you by Chevrolet I got a stop right now right those flower girls were the most beautiful flower girls I've ever seen the flower girl dresses rivals yours I must say those are the prettiest dresses I've ever seen four flower girls they were so happy in those dresses you know it was great when they when they came down the aisle you tell they all felt like princesses this exclusive moment has been brought to you by Chevrolet find new roads [Music] [Music] in 2009 when music legend Tina Turner took her final vow that curtain closed on one of the most storied careers in music history I think you for your warm response and I thank you after half a century eight Grammys and nearly two hundred million albums sold the queen of rock and roll had left the building [Applause] tell me you were 69 that was four years ago the last tour you put away the Louboutins you're the only human being I know the red sole shoes that was up there with the red sole shoes before we knew what red sole shoe that's right okay so you put that away four years ago how hard was that to to hang up the shoes Oprah my friend very easy really I've been working towards that for so long I worked hard oh my life you nobody gave me ever a thing and I when I started to take care of my family I would say oh I wish someone would do that for me and I knew that it wouldn't happen so I worked and when that happened that means I balanced my money I had to make sure that that financially it was that I could do it and when I left there I put it to rest I put it to sleep I forget all of those stressful moments even in the dressing room and I was sitting like there's not feeling like going on stage whenever it's time for me to be Gina something turned and that's that professional side I became no matter what I felt I how sick I was or aching toe or leg I did it because I wanted to leave that stage knowing that everybody had a wonderful time and I knew that's what again every time I've seen you perform and I've seen you perform more than anybody else on earth I remember standing in Houston with a woman who was crying and said just from watching you on stage and that's what you wanted every time I got letters saying it was more than singing and more than a rock and roll star I didn't know how my style of work on stage could give people hope and make them go out and make it happen for themselves and all of the mail that came in to me said after seeing your show I went out and I made my life happen yeah that is what I achieved yeah that is what you achieved that is what you achieved so the night in Scheffel England when you knew that that was going to be the last performance was it bittersweet at least no Oprah now this I have to be careful how I say this because the public will get it wrong when you've waited for something decades I went back out the Ike and Tina days were over where I was a slave I had to go back in slave again for myself yeah and that whole to make more because to have more enough money to take care of family yeah and to take care of responsibilities and all of my charities and all of it when you have to get yourself in that position so you don't worry about it yeah I wanted to retire and not worry and that is what that tour did for me so I got to my goal I received that moment a revelation of this is it I'm going home now whoa I was going home in a big way more than just a house I was going back to a place where I had decided in my last stage of my life where I want to be yeah no one ever knew on stage how much I really was tired of singing and dancing you retired of it it's work I know it's worked but it's something when you do all of your life yes every night that's all you do you know everyone is having a good time you're up there working yeah it's just was years and years of what and oh again the body had started to react on working on high blood pressure yeah I was taking medication which pulled me back I didn't I couldn't get into that second gear to apply is that what happened to you on stage it feels surreal it was the second year the first few seconds was you know the look and everything and then the second song I started to perspire and I was losing the beauty but that wasn't important then because I knew I already had my audience and then I make the first costume change second gear I went for it third gear that was when I changed the clothes that last time got on that train and went out to the people and that was it so it started to become harder I couldn't hit my notes damn it I wanted to hit those notes and I had to really fake those notes somehow you know but I managed it it took every drop of energy and life out of me and afterwards I took a hot bath and just laid and then I would eat and it would take really until the next evening for me to restore that energy back so I did nothing but that so that I could complete continue yeah so everyone thought because it was so you were so believable on stage effortless it looked effortless it's not that I didn't enjoy it Oprah I enjoyed that done mm-hmm you know whenever I got to certain songs like simply the bass of proud Mary or what's love got to do with it there were certain key songs but there were certain songs in between that worked me a little bit harder to get to those ones my idea is still if I ever go back for any reason in any way I will have to create another way that will get people to accept it because no one ever wants to see Tina do performance any other way than that right well you can't add 100 or 80 out of 90 so I don't think they would accept me standing in a wonderful gown singing That's not me yeah I always loved that point Point week where we get to primary which is always one of my favorite moments we say every now they want to do something nice and easy right yeah but I like to do it nice that was always a pleasure because then it was just me and my girls being naughty as naughty as we want it to be [Music] I say we like to do it [Music] did your performances excite even you when you would look at the tape watch it with people I'm on the edge of my seat really yes yes yes it is nothing like it nothing like it nothing like it what did it feel like out on that crane it felt so good because I saw all of those faces that you don't say on stage yeah I want to see a few yeah but when I was over there it was so rewarding just to give myself to them they saw me with their own eyes and not on the screen that's what I did for myself and for them when I went out there I went to them how does singing take you beyond doing my time when you sing and mine was singing and dancing you fly you you you move away from everything that is real you are into something that's coming out of you a note or a song or a note or a feeling and you get totally wrapped into that and with the motion of that in the dancing and the singing it's like flying because you're not thinking of eating or sleeping or dressing the song and the singing totally takes you out how are you feeling those nights Tina Turner on stage with your swollen eye and your busted lip and everybody knew I saw you as we were talking about the old days and I I saw you flinching yeah I saw you drop your head is it hard for you to hear [Music] Tina Turner has always said her brutal 16-year marriage to Ike Turner was actually much worse than portrayed in the film what's love got to do with it now just to look at your life up until the time you were able to escape really a kind of you were in a slavery it was hell it was hell but what I want to say to the public is my struggle started inside of my mother's wound I suffered all the way from childhood right up until the end of Ike and what kept me on course was mean something I was born with I believe that I was born with keeping in touch with staying on track because I always prayed you know what I mean yeah yeah Anna Mae Bullock was born in 1939 in tiny Nutbush Tennessee her parents Floyd and zelma had a volatile relationship and split up when Anna Mae was 10 she was about to leave him when she found out that she was pregnant with me and the fighting had already started but what I liked about her she fought back what I remember about them when they fought there was no him standing over her she was a fiery woman but you grew up watching your father I watched them fight watch them know now you beat her up I never saw him win she fought with sticks of wood and everything I mean she was really feisty but the bottom line is she didn't want to have another but he didn't want to have an and I knew it so I kind of grew up so you were that baby that she now was that baby I didn't know what love was as a young child but I was born independent [Music] by 18 years old animes life changed forever when Ike Turner the lead singer of the popular st. Louis ban kings of rhythms brought her on stage and handed her a microphone I knew he had found a star and charmed Anna's mother into letting her join the band when we were talking alone last week so if you don't want to talk about it you just tell me you know and talk about it and I ask you do you remember the first time I kid you and you told me the first time do you feel comfortable telling people that okay okay I didn't talk about it when I recorded the song a fool in love I took it to New York juggy Mary of su records he said why don't you keep it with the girl's voice I like it and then I you know he hadn't considered that so then Mike's problem was he was a musician that always wanted to be a star and was a star locally but never internationally to travel so he then changed the name to Ike and changed my name to Tina because if I ran away Tina was his name it was patent as you call it so so he could own you so he could only are you smart he wasn't educated smart man but he has a common sense and and a really strategy and con so he owned you yes you know so he came back I didn't even know that that was the name on the record and so I started to feel something and he started to touch me I really didn't like it cuz that was my brother that was my friend actually maybe I wouldn't have been here today if we had not if I had not gotten a relationship with him because we were very close as friends so you weren't even his girlfriend no it was just control I had sex with everybody around him over everybody's wife so then I said to the woman that was helping him at the time I said I don't want to do this I knew how I was he had beat her he always fought he always fought women men everybody and my instincts told me I was moving into something that wasn't gonna be good and so she went in and told is so then he said she said I gonna see you so I went into his room and he started that he had him a sick way I found he started it with what are you trying to do to me and then the next thing he would pick up something cuz you know if you play guitar you can't fight and play the guitar so you always fought with something yeah and that against the I guess the head always the head with a shoe stretcher and I had never would meet the wooden shoes she'll stretcher yeah and it really hurt but I was still trying to figure out what was happening and then so then the beating came you know yes y'all you'd like all the rest and I was down by then really starting to cry and then he said get in bed that was really awful have sex after yeah no I hate you how can I let you how can we make love now if it's love yeah and went through that and then I laid there with a swollen head just having sex feeling like you have really gotten yourself into something I had nowhere to go I had a child I had already a child from one of the musicians I had nowhere to run I needed to make money I want to sing to make money in 1978 Ike and Tina divorced Tina was left to raise her two sons one from Ike and one from a previous relationship she also adopted two of Ike's children as her stepsons everybody who's watching this right now who's living this right now you told me something I thought was so I mean profound you said sometimes you'd walk in the kitchen in the morning and he'd say what's on your mind yeah and you say nothing you have to start working on having nothing on your mind so when it has to you he would believe it nothing was on your mind it was really crazy it was crazy cuz how could you not have anything around you always have something on your mind something as always on your mind stupid [Laughter] I'm so happy that I can laugh about my past because when I look back well actually today the truth we did laugh about him a lot what he was to lie about how his back because everyone knew that it was ridiculous how he was okay do you remember Robbie Montgomery Robbie was a support for me in those dark days oh I might choke up here a little bit Robbie was like a sister when she was like yet you know miss Robbie Montgomery is the star of the hit show welcome to sweetie pies but miss Robbie got her start as one of the famous ikats and singing backup in the Ike and Tina Turner revue and times when I didn't have money Robbie would always loan me money well yeah I have to give it back but you know I have my own and I probably knew that I would but she didn't know how because I didn't give me money and when Robbie left ah I missed her so much oh I don't mean to cry Robbie but it's just you know it comes up for Robbie and I were very close when she was in I Ken in 2007 Ike Turner died from a cocaine overdose he was 76 years old Tina did not attend Ike's funeral I thought it was so appropriate the world's wait to hear what you have to say you said nothing when he died was it then finally over for you you know oh but to tell you the truth it was 20 years I hadn't feel anything about whether Ike was alive or dead at that time yeah he was totally gone in my memory or anything so when I heard he was dead it was almost like hearing a person that I didn't know anymore what is the latest of Tina Turner oh but I think you'd I have to sit over file a read to talk about that when I was a kid and I thought hard tapes I wanted to be like her this is literally a dream for me because she is the ultimate it's actually beat on the stage Curtis raises [Music] [Music] this is why you are not just a role model for me everybody knows that I'm a big fan and it's actually difficult to interview somebody when you're as big a fan as I am of you are you obviously a role model for me but you are a role model for the world because I remember when I was interviewing in 2008 you and share in Las Vegas and we started talking about aging and you were so profoundly eloquent how do you feel though about getting older I have to say that I welcome it with open arms because my my senior life is so much better than when I was young I am that the wisdom the way I think my attitude towards things it really there is a change when you're still healthy and you still look good yeah so your whole outlook changes on everything and you really have you don't mind being 68 the number doesn't matter [Applause] you have no regretting of it not of death not in any of that no all of that is I done it you say loudly and proudly that you're 70 yes free yes but I am at a stage where over you can get emotional when you start to talk about that to be able to get to this stage and say even when it's time to leave and go to another planet yeah excited about that because I'm curious yeah nobody can tell you yeah because nobody has come back to so um I'm not excited about to die but I don't I don't regret it when it's time for me I've done what I came here to do yeah now it's pleasure I've got great friends I have a great man in my life now I have a great husband and I'm happy yeah I was speaking to you last week just before the wedding and it's something you said really struck me you said I found happiness for myself you said Oprah I found happiness for myself and I think it's because I desire nothing made my eyes water when you first said that yes yes you desire nothing how do you get to the space that's where we're all trying to get to where you desire nothing first it's a journey you're born you go through the journey and then you lead the journey now how you manage the journey it's very very important I stayed on track I stayed on course now why I stayed on course I had a wish my wish was to arrive here where I am today in this frame of mind and this physique and this healthiness and there's it's it's a it's a happiness that I never knew that that's what happiness was I'll try to explain that you happier than you ever imagined yourself ever imagined what happened is was in the past happiness was oh I bought a dress oh oh I had this car and oh we just bought another house there's old material things mm-hmm yeah there is one when I get up in the morning and I go and sit I have a big chair in my room where I meditate I sit there to finish waking up inside of me is the first as a feeling of I say I give thanks for this feeling it's a feeling comes over you of wellness of a free no schedule nobody bothering you nothing in the way just that moment of you sitting there where you want to be there is nothing that you want I have the house I have the comfort I have the cars I have the jewelry I have the peace of mind I have the friends what else is there to want sounds like Nirvana to me it sounds like Nirvana to me is it true are you now a citizen of Switzerland yes I am I feel totally safe there I like how they live they lived strictly by a law that they've kept from the very beginning and how I know from the very beginning because when I went for the interview for the citizenship I had to really learn how the Swiss people are yeah you have to take the test as people do when they're coming to America tell me about this though is there something about being over here Switzerland but in particular that you feel embraced I can answer it longer okay I went on tour when I was 69 and you know I toured if I continue days yes and I always took the bus we we didn't fly by plane only when we had to and I really looked at the land you know seeing it eat for years and years by bus and all over and Oprah have to say it some kind of way I felt like I finished living in them I felt that you've done it that I had done it you know that was not a desire anymore but I was maybe it was because I had something had lived in Europe and felt something different and I know that in all that you've done and all that you are you are also a giver and that you're giving back to the place that really started your beginning the flag school in Nutbush what does that mean to you when Tina was a young girl back in Nutbush Tennessee schools were very much segregated she attended a one-room schoolhouse for black children called flag Grove school for the past 45 years it's been used as a barn but last year it was moved to a local museum to be restored Tina is not only helping with restorations but the school will now hold treasured memorabilia from Tina's music career I am getting involved with that school because I feel a part of heritage yeah legacy legacy yeah and what will be ultimately you think I think the school is a wonderful legacy but when you look back at your life and now you're in the Nirvana stage of your life what is the legacy of Tina Turner I hope I think you'd I have to sit over a bottle of red to talk about that that's a joke endurance you know I endured hardship all the way if we stay on course we stay focused never smoking never drinking never doing drugs my legacy is that I stayed on course from the beginning to the end because I believed in something inside of me that told me that it can get better or you can make something better and that I want it better so my legacy is a person that strived for wanting it better and got it my heart was proof up already I was my hands were wet my heart went from the first and I thought oh my god this is love at first sight you may kiss and embrace each other with God's blessing [Applause] I love this quote in German vogue they said to let rest the glorious past and try something new is probably one of the most difficult things a living legend can do you're on the cover of German Vogue you're actually I read the oldest person they've ever had on the cover of Germany tina landed beau at 73 but to let go of the glorious past and try something new probably one of the most difficult things a living legend can do not true for me not true for you no because this is this is my glory days this now not you know people think when you're on stage that's the glory days the lights you know the clothes and that was not my glory days these are my glory days Wow okay I want to talk about when you first saw urban and what that meant you know over what I think I really needed love I just needed to love a person the feeling of love in a person is very important to have yeah so I walked through the airport and as I got to the door I was walking out this really handsome young man stepped out from behind a column I think he was just coming and he had his arms out he said hello so what first got me I stepped back two steps because I didn't know who he was and also he was he it was another kind of handsome he was an unusual looking man great eyes so I got in the car with Ervin and my heart was poop up already my hands were wet and I thought oh my god this is love at first sight it was love it for a second we're gonna bring him and let's do that mr. boom put on your smiling wedding presents so be the groom so I saw you as we were talking about the old days and Ike I saw you flinching yeah I saw you drop your head is it hard for you to hear well yes I didn't read the book mmm-hmm you didn't read the ball no it's hard to hear and read the past of a person you love when this comes up so I always think that Tina one day will erase this we sent this you want it to be done yeah I think that our relationship is now almost 30 years old yeah and I think that our relationship is almost longer in Tina's present then the previous relationship so I think it's a time to close the book and close the chapter nothing after the interview with you will I think so I think so cuz everything has said yeah yeah well you know what is interesting that you'd asked her to marry she shared with us that you'd asked to marry when she turned 50 twice yes yeah but you didn't really want to get married then I think I've heard you say that that I was trying to show Tina my commitment oh good you know I think when a woman turns 50 she should have a commitment from her partner yeah and that's why I proposed and and asked the question wrong what'd you say well I said will you worry really marry with me and of course it was a joke not in my view to me it was like okay okay that was a mistake I wasn't I wasn't so into the proper grammar at the time no it was cute that dolly anyway so I was committed I was committed and and you wanted her to know it and I wanted to show this and so I went down on my knees I never did that before my life I was never married before yeah and I have my ring ready and I have this ready and I had everything ready and it could have happened that you know would have said yes I didn't know so she sort of said nothing and then strung you along 14 that was okay with me I I couldn't read between the lines yeah because did you feel that once he asked you that that he was committed to you did you feel no no no Oprah no no even though he asked me I didn't think it was real I didn't believe him but you didn't want to say I didn't to say no because I want to continue the relationship got it I got it now do you feel married do you feel married it's been a week I think our love relational partnership was upgraded after 27 years you either you have a goal for it or you don't yeah respect and so I think that's what we both looked at each other would say should we upgrade it should we make it a little bit more legal should we make it it should be yeah and that's basically what we did if the age difference ever bother you no to me Tina is not older Tina's not younger yeah she's she's at time she's not black she's not white I mean to me is a woman I love and that's it I mean I don't have any age-related thoughts yeah can I ask you this I know the moment for all of us sitting at the wedding was when we heard Frank Sinatra's voice and the song started I did it my way and that was your wedding march basically I did it my way [Applause] [Music] what was the significance of that I chose the song because when I listened to the words it was very finely and I said and now the time has come it's that's the introduction yeah something's down the final curtain yes I might cry if I sing it I like what he said I bit off more than I could chew and I spit it out it's like you know it's a I've been on every road that you can travel so the differences that wouldn't have been my way but that is the way it was yeah and you were actually smiling yeah could you say that that was one of the most perfect days of your life that moment the perfect day started two years prior the consolidation and getting all of that together that was the beginning of me saying hey wait a minute something else is happening to Tina here that's when I talked to myself so this there's a movement coming here yeah and then that day just which is a summarized it yeah yeah that was it now I have a husband and we will go the rest of our rest of my way together that's it perfect rested my way together thank you good good good good good good [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music]

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Published: Thu Mar 21 2019