[Applause] >> Hi, everyone. Wow, it's like a live stream, except you're
here. [Laughter] It's scarier this way. My name is Natalie Wynn. I am a YouTuber. I guess we don't really like that word because
it's associated with people who film dead bodies, but you know, sometimes you have to
face the facts and I make my money on the internet as a YouTuber, so that's what I am. I'm the creator of a channel called ContraPoints
and today, I will tell you a little bit about that channel and about the circumstances that
led me to make it and what it's done to me. So, that's my channel. You can see I cover a variety of safe, non-controversial topics. [Laughter] Nazis, communism, sexual deviation,
cults, that sort of thing. And I have such a difficult time describing
what this channel is. If I'm in the back of an Uber and the driver
asks me, what do you do? I'm like, I make YouTube videos, and they're
like, what's your channel about? And I say makeup? [Laughter] ContourPoints. [Laughter] [Applause] If I were to attempt to describe
it, I would say that it's maybe about internet culture, right? The bad parts. It's about just being alive in 2018. It's kind of a long, theatrical response to
fascism. So let's look at a sample. ♪♪ [Mendelssohn, "A Midsummer Night's Dream Overture, Allegro di molto"] ♪ [shimmering noises] Hail, mortals! I come to thee from my fairy grove to bring
thee tidings of great woe. Western culture is being destroyed by cucks
and by gender-bending, intoxication and sodomy, you know, things that have never happened
in Europe. ♪ [Mendelssohn, "A Midsummer Night's Dream Overture, Allegro di molto"] ♪♪ >> So, that's me as a fairy queen talking
about Nazis. How did that happen? How did we end up in this situation where
that was a necessary thing? Well, it all starts with cucks. [Laughter] The year was 2016 and Barack Obama
was President of the United States, we were about to elect our first woman president and
things were kind of going okay. But the internet was not okay. I, at this moment, had just dropped out of
a philosophy PhD program because the examined life is actually not worth living. [Laughter] I don't know, I was like an Uber
driver, a piano teacher, a paralegal, and just looking for what to do next. Back in 2009, I had been kind of like an atheist
YouTuber, or at least had kind of followed that world. So in my subscriptions box and my recommended
videos box in 2016, it was suddenly a lot of, like, "Why Feminism is Ruining the Planet,"
and "Black Lives Matter is Trash." And I was like, hmm, interesting. I thought I could use my skills from my education
to kind of like maybe do a channel that would counter some of these videos and respond to
them. That was the original idea for the ContraPoints
channel. Those were the points it was against. That's what I did for the first year of the
channel. I made what seems, in retrospect, really reckless
videos. Being like, "Hello, Nazi 4chan, let's talk
about how wrong you are!" [Laughter] Which, you know, you don't just
do that. But, at the time, I was... Well, I should explain. So, I used to be, um, a little bit of a man. [Laughter] I'm not proud of it, but these
things happen. [Laughter] We all make mistakes! [Applause] And I guess I realized last year that I needed
to transition. It wasn't an option. It was just what I had to do to live and be
alive. That was unfortunate for my YouTube career
because I had watched for a long time the way trans women, all women really, are treated
on YouTube. When I realized that me, as this person with
this anti-4chan Nazi YouTube channel was now going to have to become a trans woman, I was
like oh, shit, I am very thoroughly fucked. So my old persona, like, here I am. This is me before I transitioned in the persona
I had as some kind of cross-dressing leather mommy Nazi Frank-N-Furter thing? I was actually going to show you a clip of
this, but I can't stand to watch my old videos for even like ten seconds. It's like agony to listen to my voice, so
that's another thing. I can't escape this. Like, that's something that I haven't even
really begun to think about for what it's like to be trans on the internet is that once
you're on the internet, that's there forever. You are always stuck with this. That's not the only bad thing though. More generally speaking, it's not a good idea
to be a woman. I had been shielded in a lot of ways by this
degenerate cross-dresser persona. It was grotesque, I knew it was grotesque,
I didn't really identify with. Sure, I'd get harassed and people would come
after me, but what are they going to do? They're going to call me a degenerate and
a cuck. None of that even scratched the surface of
my emotional well-being. But when I started transitioning, if you want
to ruin a trans woman's day, that's really easy. It made things harder. People were harder on me. About a month after I came out, I was fully
doxed. Address, every old picture of me before I
transitioned, my full name, my full deadname, everything because that's what they do. Things got harder. It was difficult suddenly to have to be very
publicly transitioning, it's an awkward thing to do, to try to do a gender transition with
a camera on you, because it's a second adolescence. It is. You don't want to do your first adolescence,
or any adolescence on camera. It's very unpleasant. But I knew that was going to happen. I'm one of the few people who's doing this
online that can say at least I knew what I was getting into it, because I had read about
Gamergate. I knew what was going to happen, so I was
ready for it. I also had a sense when I was being harassed
by transphobes that I was right and they were wrong, because they were on the wrong side
of history. A feeling of self-righteousness will carry
you through a lot of shit. What I didn't expect and what in some ways
became the more difficult problem is that I had a platform, and I was transitioning,
and so people saw me as a representative of trans people. Which is really unfair, because this happened
like two months after I came out, people were already thinking of me like this. It's unfair to me, it's unfair to the trans
community, but it's just the situation because trans people aren't well represented in media
anywhere, so me having the platform such as it is, being a d-list YouTube transsexual,
it caused a level of expectation of me that was more or less impossible to meet. Trans people, it's a very diverse group of
people. We don't agree on basics. We don't agree on what gender is, we don't
agree on what it means to be trans, we don't agree on what transition is supposed to look
like. Being one person supposed to represent a whole
group of people is not good. It's an impossible task. It led to a series of problems that plagued
most of 2017 for me. People thought I was supposed to be transsexual
Gandhi and at the same time, a lot of people on the left, because again there wasn't a
lot of leftist YouTube back then, they also wanted me to be gay Lenin or lead the revolution
or whatever, and I was not up to that. If people thought I was doing things the wrong
way, they would feel that I had betrayed them. I made three big mistakes career-wise in 2017. The first one was at VidCon, the YouTube conference
in Anaheim, took a picture with some centrists. [Laughter] And worse than that, I was smiling
in the picture. The way this works is if you are standing
next to someone, and someone takes a picture, and if you are smiling and that picture goes
on the internet, nothing you say can convince people that you're not best friends with that
person. I've seen this happen to friends, other activists,
politicians. You smile in a picture, you're best friends. So that's what happened. People thought I was basically, you know,
best friends with these counter-revolutionary bourgeois revisionists. The second mistake I made — they're all
really the same mistake — was I accepted an interview in New York magazine with a journalist
who is widely regarded as transphobic. The third mistake was I agreed last November
to do a debate with the right-wing trans YouTuber, Blaire White. And that was kind of three strikes and I was
out. And leftist Twitter was fully against me at
that point. That hurt much more than any amount of 4chan
or transphobia harassment, because it's not just that I couldn't take criticism. I'm open to criticism, but it's that people
were accusing me of essentially being a profiteering careerist who was throwing all trans people
under the bus just to advance my career by making these decisions. It was so hurtful to me that I just couldn't
function for a long time and to this day, I'm very reluctant to accept interviews, very
reluctant to agree to do events just because I'm afraid of it happening again. And I've really had to change the way I act
online knowing that I'm going to have to deal with that. One of the ways I've decided to deal with
it is not tweeting. Twitter is bad. And you shouldn't do it. [Applause] Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. [Laughter] Yeah, you're reluctant to say what
I'm about to say because you don't want it to be taken by reactionaries and run with,
but there are a lot of people who use Twitter and Twitter callouts aggressively. That is, they don't want you to change, they
don't want to make the world better, they want to bring you down. This is something that we on the leftist internet
really need to figure out how to deal with. because it's not just if you say something
problematic now, you're in trouble. I think it's justifiable to call someone out
when they say something wrong, but when something you said in 2010 gets brought up to drag you
down, what good does that do? And the terror of this happening starts to
consume you. I know it's not just me. Everyone I know who does this is terrified
that something from their past is going to be dug up or they're going to misspeak slightly
and that will lead to a week of harassment. This is not social justice activism. It is harassment. [Applause] Thank you. It's hard to convince people of this, because
of course, you need to be able to hold people accountable, right? You need to be able to criticize people, you
need to be able to call someone out for saying something that's problematic, but it's so
often done in a way where it's just not constructive. In fact, the only reason I'm standing here
is that when I started on YouTube, I was nobody. No one knew who I was, no one knew what my
opinions were in 2009. If people knew my opinions in 2009, it would
have been hard for me to start because my opinions weren't always super good. How many of the people in this room — how
many of you were really, really woke about trans people in 2008? [Laughter] Right? We have to be able to make room for people
to change. For me, I think about this in two ways. One is a moral evolution. My moral world has expanded as I've learned
things. But there's also the gender transition, and
being trapped by this old version of myself that's always hanging around next to me and
I can never escape it. I've dealt with that basically by creating
more of a distinction between my public life and my private life, because I need to make
it so I don't feel so attacked when these things happen. Because it's going to happen. As you see in the video, I use a very strong
persona, a kind of fictional character I play on the internet, and that makes it easier
to cope with criticism because I feel that it's not Natalie being criticized, it's ContraPoints
and that's easier to put up with. The other thing that I do and this is really
become what makes me YouTube channel possible, at this point, is working with fiction. So, you know, my colleague Lindsay Ellis talked
about authenticity on YouTube and how it's something that's very desirable. People want to see what they feel is a real
person, but there's more than one way to be authentic. You don't have to be a diarist, you can also
be a novelist, metaphorically speaking. It's possible to express yourself through
lying, or you can be yourself by becoming someone else. This is a technique that I've used on my channel,
to discuss extremely controversial issues, where just literally sitting in my bedroom
looking at the camera and saying what my opinion is would be a bad idea. This is my TVTropes page. It has a list of characters that I've created. There is Abigail Cockbane, who is like the
anti trans-radical feminist. There's Lady Foppington, who's this 18th century
aristocrat phrenologist who shows up every time we need to talk about skulls, which is
a lot. [Laughter] There's Freya, who's a Nazi. There's Tiffany Tumbles, who's a trans woman
who hates herself, which is like, what's *that* like? [Laughter] Here is a screenshot from my upcoming
video. This is my character Tabby, who is an antifascist
catgirl. That's kind of where I'm at with this channel. I do dialogues. It's a way to explore ideas without necessarily
fully committing to them, which sounds cowardly but there's a precedent. To go back to philosophy, all of Plato's philosophy
is written in dialogue format between fictional characters and it kind of works, I think,
if we're talking about politics. I also like the theatrical aspect of it too,
because politics is basically theater, especially now. A reality TV star is the president of this
country, so responding to theater with more theater actually makes sense. I think it works better than just being some
nerd in your room talking about the means of production. No one wants to listen to that. Sorry! [Laughter] You need to look at fascism as
a pageant, and you have to bring your own pageant if you are going to work in the media
world. It's also a way of protecting yourself from
the kind of vicious leftist in-fighting. If you can present yourself as a more abstract
figure, a more abstract author, creating these characters than you can ease some of the burden
of being held directly accountable for every opinion you express. So that's what's been working for me. I don't presume to tell anyone else how it
works, but this is the best thing I've come up with in terms of how to survive in 2018
as a trans woman talking about fascism on the internet. If you have a better idea, let me know. Thanks. [Applause]
She is an artist, nothing less.
It makes me kind of sad listening to her talk about harassment and backlash from leftist twitter, only to know that two months later she'd go through much of the same thing
Still very happy to finally see this video though
In her livestream last night, she said she left for this in the middle of filming so she’s wearing Justine’s hair and Tabby’s nails lmaoooo
As someone who used it be a “classical liberal” who even flirted with alt right beliefs I can’t express how much it breaks my heart that the attitude of the Contrapoints idea isn’t supported as much as it could. Natalie’s method is perfect for the left right now because it is equal parts understanding and critical. It acknowledges that many people opposed to the left and social justice aren’t inhuman racist monsters but people who have been sold an easy truth. The idea of systemic oppression is hard pill to swallow for people in majorities and progressive antagonism makes it harder.
I am deeply embarrassed by what I used to be but that doesn’t mean I don’t sympathize with those who still are. Not all of them, some of them really are pricks but that doesn’t mean I don’t get it.
Sorry, this was a bit rambly but I wanted to say something for the recent cucks.
This talk is spectacular. She's so fucking smart. What did we do to deserve her?
Listening to it it sounds like there's a lot of raw emotion beneath and that she has to hold back tears in a few instances.
Listening to Natalie talk out of her scripted videos always surprises me. You can never no what's going on in someone's head but I feel she is a very honest person and that honesty hits me everytime I listen to her.
Listening to this, I also thought that her aesthetic video is a triumph for her. Because it's not fan service and because it's her honest opinion. She knew people would backlash against her and try to put her in her place but she did it anyway. And that's what I like about her.
This was fantastic, and really made me reflect on her channel in a new way. I think her points about call-out culture are so important, and it reminds me that Exiting the Vampire Castle should really be required reading for everyone on the left.
And I think her discussion of her use of characters is a really great thing not only for her personal life (which is obviously super important), but as a way to actually explore what happens when different viewpoints come into contact and what lessons we can take from them. As far as reaching to centrists and people on the right, this seems way more effective than monologues can often be. Of course, there are still other people who do the monologue thing really well. But for people who really might not actually know what leftists actually think (beyond their silly misrepresentations by certain reactionary figures), having a character who actually reflects their own views be able to discuss these topics (and in a way that captures the objections they might logically have!) seems like such an effective way to make them actually understand a leftist perspective.
The whole thing is a great reminder to be generous and understanding toward the people we look up to or who we think represent us. And I think it did a great job of reminding me why Contrapoints is so unique and so important.
She's a gift. I've never heard of this festival before, so I'm glad you posted this here
"It lets you absolve yourself from some of the ideas you explore"