Nanman: the Lost Tribe of South China DOCUMENTARY

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What I really want to know is if the platinum blonde Zhurong in high heels from dynasty warriors is accurate or not.

👍︎︎ 19 👤︎︎ u/fridge_magnet00 📅︎︎ Sep 02 2020 🗫︎ replies

Its a shame they had to talk about the Romance version of the rebellion at the end because of the sponsorship. The historical version is a lot more interesting and gets into the history of some of the old kingdoms of the southwest.

The stuff about all the Baiyue people is pretty good though. It's important to note that by this point in Han history, the "Nanman" moniker referred specifically to the peoples in and around the mountains of the Sichuan Basin, so they're not referring to the Yue people anymore. That being said, nobody actually calls them "Nanman" in the Records. They alternate between a few different monikers, but "Nanman" is mostly just the Romance being anachronistic again.

👍︎︎ 24 👤︎︎ u/zirroxas 📅︎︎ Sep 02 2020 🗫︎ replies

I sincerely hope that this is a sign that CA might take a second look at the Baiyue, and specially the Shanyue. They're a fascinating people, very distinct and who I feel would add a lot to the game if included.

They would occupy the present empty areas in the Southeast (which to be honest, are partially correct to be empty, due to Emperor Wudi's orders but there were still some there), they would offer another speedbump to the Southern Factions (who while more challenged now, are still far from the mean competition that is the Central Plains bowl, and in the future the North/Northwest will have the Nomads and possibly the Koreans as extra threats thus the South will still be underwhelming), specially the southern coast which is just an easy ride now, contrasting with how full and more challenging the Southwest is due to the Nanman.

Historically speaking, the Shanyue were a huge pain in the ass to Wu for decades, being 'allied' with Yuan Shu and other warlords enemy to the Sun Clan, they revolted multiple times up until the 210s, while Ling Tong spent the end of his life pacifying and dealing with them. Thus, we've got them present in the Records, don't know about Romance though.

With the Yue, I'd expect the addition of marshlands as a terrain type, and those really neat watery terrains like some of the island battlemaps for the Vampire Coast from WH. Bronze weapons, a great focus on Swordsmen (infantry focused faction is something badly missing imo, even for future content planned).

👍︎︎ 10 👤︎︎ u/jeandanjou 📅︎︎ Sep 03 2020 🗫︎ replies

Interestingly enough, this history isn't taught in the typical Chinese historical curriculum. But even so, the obvious and pronounced differences between northerners and southerners dominate regional shit-talking in China. Traditionally, northerners will look down on southerners for their short stature, darker skin, and less than stellar combat prowess. The southerners in turn find northerners to be crass, belligerent drunkards.

Fun fact though, pretty much every single Chinese you've met in the West is from these former Nanman regions of Fujian and Guangdong.

👍︎︎ 11 👤︎︎ u/Medical_Officer 📅︎︎ Sep 03 2020 🗫︎ replies

Kings and Generals make great videos and have wonderful graphics, but holy crap, has Serious Trivia seriously spoiled me when it comes to presenting this part of Chinese history and legend.

Biggest mistake of this vid that really sticks out like a sore thumb is Meng Hou 🙁 Who on Earth is Meng Hou? Surely for a video with such high production value, someone should have proofread the script beforehand... And they had a pretty decent pronunciation for the rest of the names too 🤦🏼‍♂️

👍︎︎ 12 👤︎︎ u/greinhed 📅︎︎ Sep 02 2020 🗫︎ replies

Kings and Generals is hardly the best source for history. Their videos often have a lot of serious mistakes, inaccurate generalizations, and misleading representations. It makes Deadliest Warrior look like a peer-reviewed study by comparison.

👍︎︎ 4 👤︎︎ u/ByzantineBasileus 📅︎︎ Sep 03 2020 🗫︎ replies

In the Vietnamese origin mythology, after giving birth to 100 children, eventually Lac Long Quan and Au Co divorced because of their different elemental natures. They divided the children into 2 groups. 50 children went to the sea with Lac Long Quan and 50 children went to the mountains with Au Co. The children who were with Lac Long Quan settled near the sea and would eventually become the dominant ethnic Kinh people of Vietnam. While the children who were with Au Co would become the ancestors of the 53 ethic minorities in Vietnam. The Vietnamese government utilizes the mythology pretty heavily to promote national unity. That story is pretty much the first thing Vietnamese children learn in school after they are able to read.

👍︎︎ 1 👤︎︎ u/akaizRed 📅︎︎ Sep 03 2020 🗫︎ replies
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The ancient history of China is told almost exclusively from the perspective of the Han Chinese people, whose high culture dominated the middle Kingdom’s early dynastic history. However, this land has always been culturally diverse, especially in the subtropical lands south of the Yangtze. Long before the arrival of Chinese civilization, this megaregion was inhabited by a forgotten spectrum of non-Chinese seafarers, painted warriors, and jungle-dwelling animists. It is their story we will tell today. Welcome to our video on the Nanman and Hundred Yue, the forgotten natives of Southern China. Today’s video is sponsored by our friends at Creative Assembly, who asked us to talk about the Nanman culture. Their award-winning Total War: THREE KINGDOMS strategy game is set in Ancient China and is combining a gripping turn-based campaign game of empire-building, statecraft, and conquest with stunning real-time battles, and its first expansion pack called the Furious Wild includes the Nanman culture, making the game even richer and deeper. Furious Wild adds 4 new playable factions each with their own unique mechanics, with 19 new factions overall populating southern China, and with them more than 25 new units including formidable beasts. The Nanman will get a unique tech-tree tied to the unique missions and a completely new character progression style, with feats used to unlock traits. Visit the jungles around Southern China and with it, the fearsome tribes of the Nanman! Will you unite the tribes of the south? Will you do it using diplomacy or through warfare? Support our channel and learn more about the exciting Expansion Pack via our exclusive link in the description! Chinese culture began in the fertile basin of the Yellow River with the early dynasties of the Shang and Zhou - the originators of many pillars of Chinese culture. During this time, anyone who lived outside this cultural sphere was considered a barbarian. The Zhou designated four main groups: The Dongyi were the Eastern Barbarians who lived around the Korean Peninsula. The Xirong were the Western Barbarians who lived around modern day Gansu Province and Tibet. The Beidi were the Northern Barbarians, predecessors of the nomads with whom China would do battle with for millenia. Finally, south of the Yangtze river, in lands we now consider the heartland of modern China, dwelt the Nanman, literally: “Southern Barbarians”. In time, they would also be called “Baiyue”, meaning the “Hundred Tribes of Yue”. Inhabiting a vast territory stretching between modern day Shanghai and central Vietnam, these so-called ‘hundred tribes’ of the south had languages, customs and religions considered utterly foreign to the Chinese of the central plain. The Archaeological record shows that as early as the 5th millennium BC, the ancestors of the Baiyue peoples had already formed sedentary communities along the Yangtze and Pearl river deltas. They cultivated wet rice, raised water buffalo, and lived in distinctive houses balanced off the swampy ground on high stilt posts. Around 4500 years later, during the Spring and Autumn period of Chinese history, the so-called southern barbarians had developed two powerful Kingdoms, known to the Chinese as Wu and Yue. These two Kingdoms were bitter rivals, but the Chinese states to their north considered them equally foreign, and culturally indistinguishable. In 482BC, the state of Yue launched a successful military campaign against Wu, conquering its long time rival and consolidating itself into a huge Kingdom that marked the political zenith of “southern Barbarian” power. Meanwhile, other powerful confederations of Yue tribes existed outside of this realm, such as the Luoyue and Ouyue, known also as the Au Viet, and Lac Viet. In case you’re wondering, no, the title “Viet” is not a coincidence, and we will get to that in a moment. For now, let us try to present a coherent picture of the Baiyue culture and lifestyle. Granted, this is an inherently problematic endeavor. This is because there are little to no records written by the peoples in question which survive to this day. This makes us reliant on the outside perspective of ancient Chinese chroniclers, who used the exonym “Hundred Yue” to group together many different southern tribes with differing languages and customs. Therefore, bear in mind that as we move forward, we are at best describing broad commonalities between a spectrum of peoples with much internal diversity among them. According to the Zhan Gou Ce, the ancient Baiyue peoples kept their hair short, tattooed their face and bodies, blackened their teeth, and wore hats made out of fish skin. This is corroborated by Sima Qian, who also described the Yue as short haired and tattooed, further adding that they wore clothing made out of plant fibre and tree bark, and lived in small communities amidst bamboo groves. These details were likely highlighted to emphasize the Yue’s supposed barbarisms compared to the Chinese, who considered their long bound up hair, unblemished skin, silk robes, and urbanized lifestyle to be the hallmark of civilization. Indeed, later Han sources claimed the Yue peoples had a language that was like “animal shrieking”, and bore a culture that lacked all forms of basic morals and modesty. Surviving fragments of Yue religion seem to suggest that they practiced animism. Sima Qian implies that they had prophets that read divinations from chicken bones. Snakes appeared to have some form of spiritual importance. Archaeological records show serpentine patterns appearing on ancient pottery, bronze drums, swords, and tools across ancestral Yue territory. The dragon also appeared to be very important in religious and cultural contexts, and was a sign of power and nobility. One thing common to many of the Hundred Yue was seafaring, as the coastal peoples of the south were renowned ship-builders. Their naval prowess made them the envy of the Chinese Kings of the warring states period. In the Chinese literature of this time, Yue peoples are mentioned whenever the story involves a skillful sailor, or cunning swimmer. The southern barbarians were synonymous with the sea. This made the Yue prominent merchants, as their ocean-going vessels established trade networks across much of southeast Asia, peddling luxury goods . The most notable aspect of Yue culture was their metallurgy. Blades made by Yue smiths were extremely valued in the royal courts of the Chinese warring states, and were said to be imbued with the talismanic powers of dragons and other mythical aquatic spirits. The most famous of these is the Sword of King Goujian, a 2500 year old blade which even today remains remarkably sharp, a testament to Baiyue craftsmanship. Perhaps the most interesting but controversial aspect of the Baiyue peoples are the ancestral ties that they may have had with many modern populations in South-East Asia. The most prominent of these connections lie in the country of Vietnam. Vietnamese literary tradition asserts that the origin of their nation is somewhat tied to the Yue. A 14th century anthology, the Lĩnh Nam chích quái, tells the following tale: Sometime around the 3rd millennium BC, there lived a great King known as Lạc Long Quân, who descended from a mighty sea dragon. He fell in love with a mystical fairy Princess known as Âu Cơ, who bore him an egg sac that spawned 100 children. These hundred children became the forebears of the Hundred Yue peoples, a branch of which, the aforementioned Luoyue, or Lac Viet, are the ones considered to be the direct ancestors of the Vietnamese people. The word Viet, infact, is derived from the old chinese pronunciation of “Yue”. Vietnam is not the only country with a claim on the Baiyue legacy. Linguistic evidence suggests that some of the ancient Yue had spoken tongues ancestrally related to modern Thai. The strongest testament to this is the presence of the modern Zhuang people. Natives to Guangxi province, and speakers of northern Tai languages, they may well be a remnant of a once larger, indigneous Tai presence. Linguistic evidence further suggests that archaic versions of Tibeto-Burman and Hmong-mien languages may also have been spoken among the ancient Yue, which corroborates with the fact that those language families are still spoken by pockets of minority peoples across Southern China to this day. Meanwhile, the Yue tribes who lived in modern-day Fujian were most likely speakers of proto-Austronesian languages. Archaeological evidence suggests that around 4000BC, they crossed the narrow strait and settled Taiwan, and then migrated out across a huge swath of the Pacific, diverging into the ancestors of the Malay and Indonesian peoples, as well as the voyageuring Polynesians. Therefore, we can look at people as far flung as the Maori of New Zealand or the natives of Hawai’i, and wonder if their seafaring lifestyle and iconic polynesian tattoos are in some way an echo of ancient ancestors separated by thousands of years and an ocean. As one might have guessed, the latter half of Baiyue history is defined by a centuries-long march of conquest and cultural assimilation that resulted in the overwhelmingly Han Chinese south we know today. This began in earnest with Qin Shihuang, who engaged in a conquest of ancestral Yue lands on his path to creating what historians consider the first united Imperial Dynasty of China. The Qin Emperor kept order in his realm with an iron fist. To subdue the unruly barbarians he organized the southwards immigration of 500,000 northern Chinese settlers, many of whom were convicted felons and exiles. However, the Qin dynasty soon buckled under its own tyranny, collapsing immediately after the death of its only Emperor. From its ruins emerged the dynamic Han Dynasty, which managed to reunite most of the Qin’s former territory. During this time, the Yue peoples re-established their independence in the form of two states: In modern day Fujian was the Kingdom of Minyue, ruled by a royal line descended from the original Yue Kingdom. Spanning from Guangdong to central Vietnam was the Kingdom of Nanyue, which was ruled by Zhao Tou, a Chinese general from the Qin Dynasty who had styled himself as “Emperor of the Southern Yue”, and adopted the culture & customs of the locals. Nanyues’ cultural legacy is significant, due to its control over much of modern-day Vietnam, it is considered by some scholars to be history’s first Vietnamese state. Originally these states were cordial with the Han Emperors, but this changed with the ascension of Han Wudi, whose expansionist ambitions saw the Han Dynasty absorb them through conquest. Wudi proved to be as despotic to the Yue as Emperor Qin had been. His draconian edict mandated the deportation of the peoples of Minyue, forcing them from their homes and resettling them between the Changjiang and Huai Rivers, leaving their country completely depopulated. Han rule saw an influx of Han Chinese merchants, scholars, bureaucrats, and soldiers into Yue lands, putting increasing pressure on the native peoples to assimilate into the culture of the new elite. That is not to say they accepted their fate meekly. In 43BC, the legendary Trưng sisters led a fierce uprising that briefly pushed the Chinese out of their homeland of northern Vietnam, but were eventually put down by a Han counteroffensive. The saga of these two female warriors is indicative of one of the main differences between Chinese and Baiyue culture. Where Han China ran on the rigidly patriarchal precepts of Confucian teachings, the peoples they called southern barbarians comparatively allowed great freedom to their women, who fought as warriors and leaders. The mighty Han soon fell into decline and power fell into the hands of local warlords. By 220AD, the illusion of Imperial Han unity had collapsed, and the middle Kingdom was officially divided into three warring states: Cao Wei, Eastern Wu, and Shu Han. Each state was ruled according to High Chinese culture, but in the southern Kingdoms of Wu and Shu Han, there still existed major pockets of Nanman, who had not yet assimilated into Chinese society. It is unknown if these indigenous tribes were related to the Baiyue peoples, but it seems likely, as they appeared to have shared some broad cultural affinities. With China now divided, they would rise up again in an attempt to retake control of their homeland. The first of these uprisings came in 221, when the chieftain Shamoke rallied the tribes living in the valley gorges of the Hunan to enter open revolt against the Eastern Wu by joining forces with their main rival, the legendary warlord Liu Bei and the armies of Shu Han. However, this insurgency was short, for the Shu Han alliance was defeated by Wu forces at the battle of Xiaoting a year later, and Shamoke was killed in the fighting. The defeat of the Shu Han at Xiaoting made the Kingdom look weak in the eyes of the indigenous tribes who lived under their rule. This feeling was exacerbated when the seasoned warlord Liu Bei died, and his uninitiated young son ascended to the Shu Han throne. Seeing their opportunity, Nanman tribes in the region of Nanzhong entered into open rebellion. The war that followed is retold in the form of a fantastical legend, detailed in the 14th century chronicle: Romance of the Three Kingdoms. According to the Romance, the Nanzhong rebellion was spearheaded by a great tribal King known to the Chinese as Menghou. Born and raised in the jungle, his men rode war elephants into battle, and developed a special armour made of palmwood, which supposedly was able to deflect even the sharpest blades and arrows. Menghou had two key allies in his campaign. The first was his wife, the Lady Zhurong, titularly named after the Chinese fire god Zhurong, whom she was descended from. Notably, she is the only woman in the entire Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel who actively fights in battle, perhaps a testament to the aforementioned egalitarian culture of the Baiyue peoples. The second of these allies was King Mulu, the lord of Bana Cave. The Romance depicts this man as a wielder of magical powers, claiming that he had control of wild beasts, directing armies of feral tigers upon his foe, while he looked on atop his Elephant. Initially, the Shu Han Kingdom was ill-prepared to deal with the insurgency, but they had better leadership. In the wake of King Liu Bei’s death, control of Shu Han had passed down to Zhuge Liang, who served as regent of the realm on behalf of the young King Liu Shan. Liang was without flaws; according to the Romance: an incorruptible statesman, benevolent ruler, and cunning general. After putting his affairs in order in his capital of Chengdu, he marched south to put down the rebellion. In the end, the determination of the southern barbarians was no match for Zhuge Liang’s cunning. King Mulu scored some initial victories against the Shu forces with the aid of his magical beast horde, but lost when his animals were scared away by Zhuge Liang's “flame-spewing wooden beasts”, which were probably some form of anachronistic gunpowder based siege weapon. During his retreat, Mulu’s elephant threw him off and trampled him to death. Menghou, meanwhile, met Zhuge Liang in battle seven times, and was defeated each time. After every loss, the tribal chieftain was captured, only to be treated with kindness and set free. The idea was that by showing mercy, Menghou would give up his rebellious aspirations and become loyal to Shu Han once more. Nevertheless, the King of the Nanman was stubborn: each time he was set loose, he would rally his army and fight Zhuge Liang once more. Only upon the seventh capture did Menghou give up his struggle, ending the rebellion. He swore complete loyalty to the Shu Han Kingdom. According to the romance, the Nanman peoples never rebelled again. The historical validity of Menghou’s rebellion is highly questionable. Many scholars rightfully question the fantastical elements of the tale, and point out how absurd it was that the leader of an insurgency could be captured seven times and be let go each time. Nevertheless, it is one of the last times that Chinese records mention any sort of major uprising amongst the indigenous peoples of the South. By the 7th century AD, it had become predominantly Chinese-speaking, resulting in the modern populations of Fujian, Guangdong, Guangxi, and Yunnan we see today. With that said, not all the descendants of the indigenous south disappeared: Vietnam is home to a vibrant culture whose heritage, in many ways, traces back to the ancient Hundred Yue. The same can be said for many of the modern peoples of Thailand and Myanmar, as well as the aborigines of Taiwan, who hold out strong in the western mountains of their island to this day. In China itself, echoes of ancient Yue languages can be found in the form of loanwords in modern southern Chinese languages like Hokkien, Hakka & Cantonese. Furthermore, aspects of their culture lived on long after the peoples themselves faded into memory. As late as 1368, some peoples in Shandong province were recorded to have kept their hair short and tattooed themselves with markings of the dragon and snake. As a result of historical intermixing between southerners and Chinese, a huge chunk of the modern southern Chinese population has Baiyue blood. Beyond that, minority peoples in China like the Zhuang, Yi, Miao, and Tanka boat people still exist in pockets throughout southern China, with languages, customs and traditions that stand apart from the modern Han Chinese. These peoples are all likely the descendants of tribes the Imperial Chinese once called “Nanman”, meaning that while their history has largely been forgotten, their successors live on to this day. More videos on Chinese history are on the way, so make sure you are subscribed to our channel and have pressed the bell button. We would like to express our gratitude to our Patreon supporters and channel members, who make the creation of our videos possible. Now, you can also support us by buying our merchandise via the link in the description. This is the Kings and Generals channel, and we will catch you on the next one.
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Published: Wed Sep 02 2020
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