Antifa: History and Tactics | Andy Ngo

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Summary: it’s violence and terrorism

👍︎︎ 23 👤︎︎ u/baburu12 📅︎︎ May 27 2021 🗫︎ replies

This is not a “free speech” issue.

This is a “domestic terrorists LARP’ing as enlightened heroes not realizing how they look more like the Hitler-Jugend, Bund deutscher Arbeiterjugend than the normal citizens they terrorize” issue.

👍︎︎ 12 👤︎︎ u/h8f8kes 📅︎︎ May 27 2021 🗫︎ replies

Antifa.... terrorist group if there ever was such a thing as terriost. Try telling those they terrorized, put in the hospital or even killed that antifa is not a terrorist group.

👍︎︎ 6 👤︎︎ u/seadagon 📅︎︎ May 27 2021 🗫︎ replies

I'm currently reading Unmasked

👍︎︎ 5 👤︎︎ u/mephistos_thighs 📅︎︎ May 27 2021 🗫︎ replies

Well, this has devolved into bouts of name-calling and ad hominem attacks having nothing to do with free speech issues. I assume at some finger-pointing will ensue.

👍︎︎ 4 👤︎︎ u/aegiltheugly 📅︎︎ May 27 2021 🗫︎ replies

What's his opinion on the terrorists who attacked the Capitol on January 6th, 2021? I remember when they tried to pin that on antifa too.

👍︎︎ 4 👤︎︎ u/fringelife420 📅︎︎ May 27 2021 🗫︎ replies

This is unrelated to free speech. The mods should delete this post.

👍︎︎ 1 👤︎︎ u/--_-_o_-_-- 📅︎︎ May 27 2021 🗫︎ replies
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SPEAKER 1: OK, our next speaker is Andy Ngo. He's a journalist, who serves as editor-at-large. [APPLAUSE] You're supposed to let me introduce him first, but-- [LAUGHTER] --he doesn't mind two rounds of applause, or more. So to call him controversial is maybe somewhat of an understatement. He's best known for reporting on Antifa in America. He has written reports on Antifa for the New York Post, Newsweek, and many other publications. He came to the attention of the nation when he was beaten by members of Antifa on the streets of Portland, in the summer of 2019. I'm happy to say that incident only increased his determination to report the truth. And we're grateful for that. He's the author of a recent book titled Unmasked, Inside Antifa's Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy, which is a New York Times bestseller. And some of you may recall an incident from last month, when his book made news headlines. Winston Marshall, a banjoist for the band Mumford & Sons, first publicly endorsed the book-- describing Ngo in a since-deleted tweet as a "brave man," quote, unquote. And then, under pressure from a left-wing cancel culture mob, later recanted his endorsement. As Marshall the banjoist put in a tweet, quote, "For now, please know that I realize how my endorsements have the potential to be viewed as approvals of hatred, of divisive behavior. [GROANING] I apologize, as this was not at all my intention." So this is the upside down, Bizarro World of cancel culture kind of on full display. The person who writes about a group that, to use our speaker's words, supports maiming, killing, and terrorism, is himself accused of hatred and divisive behavior. Unfortunately, we've gotten used to this kind of obsequious and groveling apology. But the more such episodes occur, the more freedom of speech is curtailed and suppressed. These episodes have the effect-- again, using our speaker's words-- of quote, "closing curious minds from independent thought." And that's a problem for us, because free speech is essential to a free society. Well, as I said this morning, at Hillsdale we're fans of free speech, and we're delighted he could be with us. Please welcome Andy Ngo. [APPLAUSE] ANDY NGO: Thank you. [APPLAUSE] Oh, wow. [APPLAUSE] Thank you very much for that warm welcome. And thank you to Hillsdale College for the invitation to speak here. I've been looking forward to this. Who here has heard of trigger warnings? Yeah. So it's mocked a lot by people on the right. Trigger warnings were popularized in universities and other left-wing spaces. Basically, it's just providing a warning, normally, for things that may be triggering. So if it's like reading a story that has triggering language because of so-called homophobia or racism or anything, it's given a warning. And oftentimes it's misused, and it's to make students quite snowflake-y. But there is a place for it, actually. I'm going to give a trigger warning for this, just because some of the images and videos I'm going to show as part of my presentation are graphic. And I don't do it to be sensational or shocking. But there's no way to report honestly about Antifa without showing what they actually do, which does result in maimed bodies and killed people. So many of you who heard of me probably first heard of me in 2019, You probably saw this photo or some variation of it in the mainstream media headlines. This photograph was taken on the 29th of June 2019 in downtown Portland. You probably heard the story. I was recording a protester riot by Antifa, as I had been doing for many years. And that day, in organized fashion, Antifa beat me severely. So the photograph, you see mostly all that liquid stuff on my face. But that wasn't really what caused the injuries. The injuries were the repeated punches to the face and head. I was in the hospital and diagnosed with a subarachnoid hemorrhage. I don't know what that was. The doctor had to explain it to me in layman's terms. And that's a brain bleed. And you can die from it. I survived. I had about a year of various medical treatments to address the deficiencies that resulted from that. So this story has been on the record a lot. And I want to spend a few moments just to focus on other people who were injured on that same day. A lot of people don't know that in the course of that riot there were eight people who were injured. One other person is a man by the name of John Blum. He was striked on the head with a baton, by an Antifa militant in downtown Portland. Now keep in mind this is a riot that was pre-announced and pre-advertised by Antifa. And the city could not or would not respond to stop the violence. When I was beaten, it was steps away from the Justice Center, which is the building that houses the Sheriff's Office-- the central police precinct. So officers inside that building could probably see me, but I had no help. In addition to John Blum, there was Adam Kelly. He was hit on the head with an overhead strike by Antifa member Gage Halupowski, who was using a collapsible baton. Kelly needed 25 staples to close the gashes on his head. And the beating was caught on camera. You could actually hear the sound of the baton hitting his skull. He was lucky to be alive. And here is the body of Aaron Danielson in downtown Portland. Last year, after months of rioting in downtown Portland, it escalated to murder. An Antifa member shot dead a Trump supporter. And in this photograph, you can see him. On his shorts, he's actually wearing a patch of the Thin Blue Line, which is showing support for police. Police were aware of Antifa's plans for violence in downtown that day, but they were nowhere near to help the people who were victimized-- and one person who was ultimately killed. So I show these images because I want you and viewers out there to understand that Antifa is not merely just an idea or purely theoretical. Their ideology and militant tactics have real-life consequences. It's resulted in destroyed livelihoods in terms of businesses that have been continually vandalized and destroyed over and over. It's resulted in maimings, and it's resulted in death. So who are the Antifa? What are they? There's a lot of misinformation out there on both the left and the right. I'll start with misconceptions on the right first. Sometimes you hear them described as if they were a single organization-- capital A, Antifa. And that perception, I can understand why it exists, because of how organized they are. And many of them travel to different parts of the country to engage in criminal activities. But there is no single Antifa. On the left, you hear them described as noble antifascists who are opposing racists and the far right and neo-Nazis. What you need to know about Antifa is that they are a transnational movement that espouses an extremist, communist, anarchist ideology. They merge the worst aspects of both communism and anarchy to form a worldview that criminalizes property ownership, wrong think, and produces endless disorder and crime. They organize themselves via affinity groups connected through networks. Some of the Antifa groups have Antifa in the name, like Rose City Antifa, which I'm involved in a lawsuit with-- because that militant group in Portland was the one who organized the violence against me in 2019. But many Antifa groups don't have the word Antifa in the name. This is the Youth Liberation Front, which has cells or chapters across the United States. And they were involved in months of riot organizing on the West Coast throughout 2020. They advocate for and carry out acts of insurgency against the state. They hate America the most in particular, because they see this country as, in their words, imperialistic, and the head of a serpent that spreads and upholds fascism around the world. They don't just hate symbols of this country like flags and things that represent the rule of law, like courthouses or law enforcement. They really despise the American philosophy-- i.e. individual rights, the rule of law, and freedom of expression. An event like this could not be held in an area where they have significant control or sway, such as Portland. Antifa seek to make it impossible, literally, for conservative or right-wing people to participate in the public square in urban areas. That's why they beat and rob people for practicing their First Amendment rights. In left-wing urban centers under the control of weak Democrats, they're able to do it with impunity. And you don't have to have a controversial opinion to be in their crosshairs. I've seen them beat people for merely holding the American flag. And just over this past weekend, a church in the Seattle area cancelled its event with TPUSA founder Charlie Kirk, after Antifa threatened violence. You can think of Antifa as somewhat analogous to worldwide jihadism, in that extreme Islamic groups or individuals inspire and incite violence against the infidel. Their followers may be formal members of groups like Islamic State, but more often, they're simply followers of the ideology carrying out the call to violence. And like jihadists, Antifa honor and celebrate their so-called martyrs. And despite the long trail of evidence showing Antifa's involvement in organized criminal activities, which even the FBI Director Christopher Wray admits is real, this is what you see when you read the legacy press headlines. Here's the Associated Press last year, at the height of the riots-- "As Trump Blames Antifa, Protest Records Shows Scant Evidence." New York Times-- "Despite claims by President Trump and Attorney General William P. Barr, there's scant evidence that loosely organized antifascists are a significant player in protests." So journalists who have the benefit of a corporate media backing, with huge resources, came to these conclusions. Myself, just as an independent journalist, this is what I was able to find. So this is Amelia Shamrowicz. She, a male-to-female transsexual, was arrested in May 2020 in Portland, as the George Floyd/BLM-inspired riots broke out. She was charged with felony arson, felony rioting, felony criminal mischief, and two counts of conspiracy to commit a Class A felony. Now I didn't see this reported in the press, but I actually looked up her court records. And this is what the criminal complaint says. Quote, "When her roommates asked how Shamrowicz started the fires, Shamrowicz responded by saying that it is not a conversation for Facebook Messenger, and that she would be home soon. A subsequent in-person conversation occurred, and the roommates reported that Shamrowicz stated she started the fire using a Molotov cocktail, and she is part of Antifa. Shamrowicz was reported to be extremely excited about being labeled a terrorist, and was very animated about her hopes that police officers would be killed and injured by the riots. She also stated that she would be going out on another mission, and the goal would be to set another fire," end quote. That wasn't reported in the local or national press, and her charges were dropped by the district attorney. Here's another one. Ryan Howe, another male-to-female transsexual-- this person, she's from Rochester, New York. She was federally charged in September 2020 with inciting or organizing a riot. Howe shared a homemade IED recipe and posted about arson attacks on her social media. I actually was able to find her account, which is under a pseudonym. And this was her profile photo. You won't see this in the headlines. Here's another one-- Britney Austin, another male-to-female transsexual. She also goes by the name Sumayyah Dawud. She's a convert to Islam. She was arrested at a violent protest in Phoenix, Arizona last year. At the time of her arrest, she was carrying a AR-15. She was charged with felony first degree, hindering prosecution, felony riot, unlawful assembly, assisting a criminal street gang. Some of the local reporting mentioned her as being part of a, quote, "protest group"-- racial protest group. None of them mentioned what you see on the photo on the right, which is what I was able to find on her social media. Back to Portland. Jarrod DeFerrari, another male-to-female transsexual-- this person came all the way to Portland from Sunrise, Florida. They also go by the name Sophie. She was indicted on one count of felony riot, three counts of felony first-degree criminal mischief. According to court documents, she destroyed property at St. Andre Bessette Catholic Church, in downtown Portland. And there's video of it. And this is a Catholic church that provides charity outreach to homeless people in Portland, which is a very large and vulnerable population. I'll show you the video, which allegedly shows DeFerrari at that Antifa riot. You can see people who have press markings walk right on by and don't photograph or record this wanton act of violence. Again, it's a church that provides services to the homeless. Antifa is a contemporary phenomenon, but they do take the name, mythos, and symbols from an older organization-- the Antifaschistische Aktion, or AFA. As you can probably tell from the name, it's German. The original AFA was founded in 1932 as a violent paramilitary of the German Communist Party. They were involved in extremely violent political street brawls and systematically worked to undermine the Social Democratic government of the Weimar Republic. This was just shortly before World War II. Antifa won't admit it today, but their forebears actually paved the way for the rise of Hitler, by creating a climate of extreme political polarization and instability. After World War II, the quote unquote, "Antifa ideology" of the communists was absorbed into the official state ideology of East Germany. In the name of so-called antifascism, the East German regime built the Stasi, which was the Ministry for State Security-- where citizens were monitored and spied on through a vast apparatus of informants who infiltrated all aspects of life and civil society. The Berlin Wall built to stop its own citizens from fleeing the tyranny of the East was called the Antifascist Defense Barrier, officially, by East Germany. A lot of people don't know that. Historically and today quote unquote, "antifascism," or Antifa, have nothing to do with actually opposing fascism. It is a cover for an explicitly far-left communist agenda. Most mainstream left-wing people are ignorant of this. This is why you have fools on CNN describing Antifa as comparable to American soldiers liberating Europe of fascism. In the same fashion, Black Lives Matter has nothing to do with racial justice, and it's just a rebranded version a Black Revolutionary Marxism seen in America decades ago. Antifa's far-left theories and ideology was able to slip in America through academics. Herbert Marcuse and other European Marxist intellectuals fled Europe in the last century and found a home in America's academic institutions. So things like critical theory, and from that, critical race theory, trans ideology, intersectionality-- all that was born in America's academic institutions. And you can see the effects of it today, in hollowing out pretty much everything that it touches. Discussing Antifa's origins and their ideology can be complicated to the layman. There's a lot of history there. There's a lot of terms and concepts. Antifa would rather we just take them at their word, that they are simply antifascist. But if listening to what they say in writing is too complicated, how about we just look at what they do when they're given the opportunity? This close-up is one of the barrier checkpoints in Seattle's Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone last year. To recap, that was when for three weeks during the summer, the city allowed groups of armed left-wing militants to seize six blocks of city property, in an area that is densely populated near downtown. Now, Seattle is the biggest city in the Pacific Northwest. In America. We're not talking about a failed state like Libya or Somalia or somewhere else. This is America. The militants declared themselves sovereign from the US. And you can see one of their signs here, on the right. It says, "You are now leaving the USA." So I actually went under cover there. I wanted to see with my own eyes-- can this really be happening? Because from what I was reading in the headlines, this was just a wonderful street party. This was protest in the street for racial justice. From what I saw there, they had actual multiple checkpoints all around the six blocks. This was one of the checkpoints. And they were manned by people who were armed with rifles and pistols. And police were chased out. CHAZ, as it was known-- the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone-- was praised by the press. It was praised by Seattle city council. And even the Seattle mayor infamously went on CNN to say that this could become a summer of love. [LAUGHTER] But what happened in there was a zone of terror and death. In those three weeks, there were six shootings, arson attempts, an attempted rape, and two homicides. [INAUDIBLE] zone, established to be a refuge for Black people, it had a 100% Black victim shooting and homicide rate. One of the victims who was killed was a 16-year-old teen. He was shot dead by the CHAZ security. They mistook him for being a white supremacist when he was in the car. They shot dozens of rounds into the vehicle. And the one that likely killed him was the one that went through the windshield. I looked at the photographs and videos of the car. It was soaked with blood on the inside. And the evidence was destroyed by the occupants of CHAZ, such as to the State Police still don't know who killed that 16-year-old. It wasn't just CHAZ, of course. This is former statue in downtown Portland-- this elk statue. It was quite beloved by the city and its citizens. It was set on fire and destroyed. It was one of eight statues that were destroyed in Portland, along with the statues of George Washington, Abraham, and Roosevelt. For more than 120 days, night after night, Antifa rioted in Portland. Minneapolis is probably what people think of when they think of where the worst rioting happens, because actual full neighborhoods were torched to the ground. In Portland, we had a sustained violence for months on end, that lasts continuously for more than 120 days-- to which now it's still going on, but it's happening maybe four-or-five times a week, instead of every night. That's the improvement we have in the city. So Portland is my hometown, and I was living and working there last year and seeing with my own eyes what was happening to my city in the course of writing my book, Unmasked. What I was seeing every night was organized mobs of rioters setting fires to buildings that were occupied by people. They came armed with weapons-- really brutal but simple weapons, like knives taped to the ends of umbrellas, Molotov cocktails, other homemade IEDs, small knives, rocks, lasers used to damage the eyes of their opponents in law enforcement. We hear a lot about what happened on the 6th of January in DC. All the actions of that day, and more, occurred for months on end in Portland. Here's some undercover video that I recorded last year. [VIDEO PLAYBACK] So a barrier was erected to protect the federal courthouse, much like what we see in front of the Capitol today. And there were thousands of people who came night after night to try to burn that building down. They came with power tools, as you see here, to cut into the fence. And when that was unsuccessful, they later attached ropes around strategic parts of the fence and used hundreds of people to break it apart-- which was successful. If you read the headlines at that time, they were echoing what the mayor, the governor, the two senators, and others were saying in Oregon, which is that these were protesters responding to Trump's Gestapo-- secret police that were disappearing people. Those comments incited more violence and allowed it to continue night after night after night. Here's an attack where a masked militant threw a Molotov cocktail at a group of law enforcement. The individual here, after more than six months of an investigation, has been arrested and charged. He actually came to Portland all the way from Minneapolis-- allegedly specifically for the purpose of rioting. 96 people have been federally charged. Around half have had their cases dismissed. The remaining have mostly had deferred resolution deals, which means that their cases are dropped once they complete some brief volunteer work. At the local level, we had more than 1,000 arrests related to the months and months of rioting last year. With our progressive district attorney, he dropped the cases of more than 90% of them. This is justice in Portland. For reporting on Antifa's violent extremism, I was beaten, as you know, and have been continually subjected to death threats. Antifa have showed up to my home to try to break in. They write things like that around the city. They've written my address, as well, in public. I have more than two dozen reports with the Portland Police. No one's ever been arrested. This is Michael Reinoehl. He's the Portland Antifa member who shot dead Aaron Danielson in downtown last year. He had run-ins with law enforcement on three occasions, shortly before going on his mission to kill. The photo on the right, that was him getting arrested at a riot the month prior. You see that gun on the ground? That was his. It was illegally possessed. He was charged, and all those charges were dropped. And then he went on to kill. Portland's not really in the headlines not much anymore, but the violence is continuing. Just two weeks ago, Antifa again set the Portland Police Union Hall on fire. The photo on the left is some of the damage you see from that. When Derek Chauvin was found to be guilty on all the charges, Antifa in downtown Portland set buildings on fire. I'll read you one of the tweets from the official account of Portland Police, which were giving live updates. "This fire is near an occupied building and a propane tank." In another riot, they went on to destroy a children's charity. And they also smashed up another church. What can be done? Well, my role as a journalist is more so to describe and inform people what's happening, rather than to give solutions. So this part of the speech was probably the most challenging for me to write-- and depressing, I think. I do think cities like Portland, Seattle, and Minneapolis, and others are possibly beyond saving. There's a critical mass of support for violent extremism masquerading as racial justice in those areas. Notice I said critical mass, not a majority. You don't have to have a majority of people supporting what's happening, you just have to have enough. And there is enough of it there. And they vote for the politicians that enable it. Through violence, Antifa have driven out any meaningful opposition in urban liberal areas. This is a fight that liberals in the moderate left have to take on themselves. But if 2020 was any indication, that's not something they're willing to do. In fact, they're probably more likely to join in on the protests and volunteer themselves to stand in between the rioters and police. I predict further civilizational and cultural decline in the US, as the critical theorists continue their successful efforts at hollowing out every institution they touch-- academe, journalism, entertainment, government, military. Through the years, we've witnessed how far-left extremists like Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Angela Davis, and Assata Shakur have been successfully rebranded into racial justice activists and academics, rather than communist terrorists involved in bombings, shootings, and murders. Similarly, papers of record and politicians would have you believe that Antifa are just antifascists fighting neo-Nazis. I recently spoke on record about my decision to flee the United States. This has pained me a lot, because my family found asylum here as refugees fleeing communist Vietnam. Both my parents were sent to prison camp in the 1970s. I'm continuing my reporting from abroad, resigned to believe that my home city is dying and that the disease killing it will continue to spread. I'm not sure what the antidote is, but I hope conferences like this will help inform the public about what to look for before it's too late where you live. Thank you. [APPLAUSE] Thank you. [APPLAUSE] SPEAKER 2: Thank you, Mr. Ngo. We now have time for some Q&A. If you have a question, please make your way to a microphone. AUDIENCE: Hi, Mr. Ngo. Thank you for your comments. And you're a very brave man. My question has to do with-- we often hear, and I was wondering if you could tell us the truth of whether people with money-- a.k.a. George Soros and things like that. I always hear that they're involved and are financing behind the scenes. Do you know if that is for sure true, or if they are just taking advantage of circumstances? ANDY NGO: So that's the question that when I was writing my book sought to answer. I wanted to find out where the money is coming from. That's the question that I had been asked most frequently over the past couple of years, and it was something I was curious about myself. And the answer is, I found no evidence that there are any big shadowy billionaire figures funding the actual militant Antifa violence on the streets. The money that they do get, which is significant, actually is done pretty much out in the open. They create campaigns on GoFundMe to raise bail money and legal funds. They establish ad hoc front groups to gather those funds and to launder it to their causes. They also create accounts on CashApp, Venmo, or PayPal. These are some of the apps and sites where you can donate money-- small amounts. And amounts add up to hundreds of thousands. In the case of Portland, the Portland Bail Fund, which was one of these Antifa front groups raising money for all the rioters arrested, raised more than $1.3 million. In Minneapolis, tens of millions of dollars was raised, in part with the help of our current vice president for accused rioters in Minneapolis as well as those accused of murder and other heinous crimes. So efforts to think that you could topple the one funding source to cut them off, it's not simple like that. Big tech has not been putting much effort into shutting down these accounts and pages. Because it's masked in a way, right? With a group name that sounds as innocuous as the Portland Defense Fund, you wouldn't think that these are far-left extremists who are raising money for people charged with felony assault, and arson , and other crimes. SPEAKER 2: Question to the speaker's left. AUDIENCE: Hi, I live in the greater Seattle area, and we watched on TV all last-- the riots that happened. My question is, if you pull off the masks of these people, who are they? ANDY NGO: Great question. So if people follow me on my Twitter, one of the projects I've been doing for almost a year now is in the Portland area, because there's been so many arrests in Portland, I will actually do the public-records request to get the booking photos, the names, and charges. And you'll see that there is really no one type of Antifa. There are a couple of things that generally you can say. They lean young. You have some people who are young as 15 years old getting arrested, to those in their early 30s. Slightly more men than women involved. Disproportionately, people who identify as transgender. And at some point I would like to write on this more, but I believe it's because the transgender ideology is a political ideology that's very radical. So that's why you're seeing an over-representation in those involved in far-left activities. Some of them are people in very white-collar jobs. There's been registered nurses and attorneys who have been arrested. One of the staffers for the speaker of the House for the state of Oregon was arrested at a riot. There's many, many students, of course, and even faculty in academe who's been arrested at these riots. And another thing is that many of them are homeless, or otherwise very vulnerable populations of people. And I write about it in my book, but there's a sympathy I feel for many of them. Because these are people who-- they want community. And this Antifa extremist movement ideology gives them that community-- gives them meaning and purpose. It does a lot of things of like what religion traditionally would do. But it also leads them down a path towards violence. And some of them get seriously injured in the process of them trying to fight police, or assault people. And then they're just kind of discarded. It's a very wicked and destructive movement/ideology. [SIGHS] But I'm not sure what it will take for the public to wake up and realize this threat to America that comes from this group. I think sometimes they're easily dismissed as weak soy boys and soy girls on the street who don't know what they're doing. That's partially true. But you don't have to be strong to stab somebody. You don't have to be strong to have a pistol in your pocket and shoot somebody dead. So the right does underestimate Antifa. SPEAKER 2: Question to the speaker's right. AUDIENCE: Yes. First, thank you for the courage that you've shown. Secondly, I just read that the mayor of Portland is asking people to turn Antifa people in, and I wondered what your response to that would be. And another quick question-- what is the relationship between Black Lives Matter and Antifa? ANDY NGO: Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler is serving his second term. He came into office at the beginning of 2017, and it was under his watch the Antifa grew to become the existential threat that it is today to Portland. For going back several years now, he gave them the legitimacy to do what they do. And he restricted and tied the ability for police to respond, because he's also the police commissioner. He serves a dual role. And he did all that because of his blind hatred of Trump, which he made very, very clear-- which is not unique to him. Many Democrat elected officials hate Trump more than they love their own communities and their fellow citizens. With him doing the 180 now, it's too little too late. I mean, he was instrumental last year in pushing for the police department to be defunded. It was under his leadership that the Gun Violence Reduction Team in Portland Police was abolished. And now we have record-high numbers of shootings and homicides. And so he's pleading with the public to essentially help police with some of their investigations, yet the city will offer you no help if, in the course of you trying to photograph suspicious individuals in your neighborhood, you get assaulted, or a rock thrown through your window-- as happened a few days ago. Will anybody come to protect you? The city certainly won't. So too little too late, I say. Regarding Black Lives Matter, in my writings, I usually link BLM and Antifa. I describe them really as a single entity. But what people should know is they are different in their ultimate goals, Antifa, as I said, is anarchist-communist, whereas BLM is just straight communist. And so these differences are meaningful. And ultimately, if they were to be successful in the destruction of America, it would lead to infighting, and one group or the other will win. But for now they work together, in the form of Antifa providing security at these BLM demonstrations that also turn into riots. What I was seeing in Portland and other cities last year with the mass looting is that the Antifa would be the first to break the windows to breach the doors or windows of the building, and then sort of unleash the opportunists to loot and destroy businesses. And then once that's done, they'll just go in and start a fire and destroy what's left. So the relationship is mutually beneficial because of a shared hatred of the United States. You can tell the difference between somebody who is a critic versus somebody who's an enemy. If you listen to what BLM activists and what Antifa say, obviously they fall in the latter. SPEAKER 2: Question to the speaker's left. AUDIENCE: Thank you, Andy, for being here today. My question is, there are also international groups that are similar. And what are the numbers internationally and domestically that fall into this type of organization? ANDY NGO: Yeah, so this is a question that really is almost impossible to answer-- in that it's the same way to ask how many Muslim extremists are there in the world? The delineations is often not clear. You don't have to be a card-carrying member. You don't have to have trained in Syria or Iraq with IS to actually be a member. So who actually fits that? I think there's a similar issue with Antifa when you're trying to find out how many members they are. If you want to know numbers, you have to look at it more, maybe, group by group-- like Rose City Antifa, which has, from by estimates, less than 100 people who are actually involved. Relatively, their numbers are actually small. But they're able to do so much damage because they have a lot of wider support in the mainstream left. I mean, you can look at papers of record, the commentaries that they print-- and those who go on broadcast television to excuse far-left political violence, to argue that destruction and looting and arson is not actually violence, or that it's justified in the name of racial justice. So it's this tacit support from the wide left that gives them the ability to do what they do in. In conservative areas where there are elected politicians who are responsible and recognize the threat that Antifa pose to the public, they don't allow them to build the networks to destabilize the city. But when you're in an area like Portland or Seattle or the Bay Area or Philadelphia, there's wide support for it. SPEAKER 2: Question to the speaker's right. AUDIENCE: The threat of violence or death is real. And two things-- one, you mentioned about Seattle and Portland being pretty much done. I was in Indianapolis recently and I was having a talk with a police officer. And he said, we are told to stand down. Arson is not a crime, basically-- I mean, not to be prosecuted-- only if a human's life is at stake. That's number one. And number two, your comment about the stand-down orders from mayors and chiefs of police. But also, you had kind of brought it up, it's not just a little bit of Antifa and a huge majority of people against Antifa. There's a huge middle section-- a big middle section of citizens that are going, it's just for racial justice, and it's peaceful protest. You made some comments. I'd love to hear more comments about this middle section of people. I think they need to get active with their elected representatives-- like strongly-- and say, hey, no, this is not going to be in our city. ANDY NGO: I said earlier in the speech that, at least in urban left-wing areas, this is really a fight for liberals and the moderate left. But even in the rare instances where they've tried to voice their opposition-- for example, in Seattle, in the area-- the former so-called CHAZ-- there has continued to be weekly violence there by Antifa. And a association of business owners and residents in the area wrote a letter to the mayor asking for a restoration of law and order. And the response from Antifa was to release the personal information of every person who signed that letter. That has resulted in the public being very, very afraid to speak out. So Antifa, they don't just do the street hooliganism. It's threats and intimidation and harassment. And for the average working person, they can't deal with that type of onslaught. And yeah, I wish that politicians like Mayor Wheeler and others had woken up to this threat, but they chose to empower it. And it's not really them who will suffer. I mean, Wheeler's from a very wealthy background. He will retire and have a good life. It's the people in Portland who don't have the money to leave. I'm very privileged that I got my resources together to leave, as painful and difficult as that's been. It's the people stuck in the cities who have to deal with the political consequences. SPEAKER 2: Question to the speaker's left. AUDIENCE: I'd like to say, first of all, thank you again for your courage and boldness. I'd like to pray for God's protection and healing for you, physically and emotionally. We can't imagine what you've been through. But my question has to do with the history of nonviolent resistance to evil in our country-- going back to the '50s and '60s, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and that whole tradition of nonviolence. Are there no churches? Are there no Christians? Is there no one left in this country who is inspired by Dr. King to stand between this evil and those that it seeks to destroy? ANDY NGO: I think the heroes of the past that are lauded now by the current left-- the figures that they pick tells us a lot. They don't uphold the memory and legacy of Martin Luther King, Jr. They celebrate people like Assata Shakur, a wanted felon and an enemy of America who fled to Cuba, after her involvement in killing a state trooper in New Jersey. They uphold Malcolm X. The uphold Black Panthers. They reject the tradition of nonviolent civil disobedience, because they see how effective threats and violence actually are. I mean, in my view, they held the entire country under threat of mass violence and death and destruction if they didn't get the outcome in the trial that they wanted, regarding Chauvin. Again, this transformation in the left has been happening, slowly, since the last century. It started in academe. If you go back to 2015, I was kind of troubled that a lot of the people on the right dismissed the campus rage stuff as just kind of a joke-- that the screaming and the crying and the extremism on campuses is something to be mocked, and it's just going to go away. Well, those students went on to graduate. They work in administration now. They go on to be on city councils. They run for government. And you can see the drastic effect this has had on culture and politics in just five years. And that's going to continue. I don't think that the issues we're facing now are going to go away with a different administration. I mean, even with the previous administration, there wasn't really much that Trump could do to counter what has happened in journalism, in local governments, in academe. I just feel like with the current administration that process of decline is just sped up, but it is going to happen regardless. SPEAKER 2: We have time for one final question. AUDIENCE: Oh, great. Andy, big fan of yours. I've been following you for several years. And God bless your heart for doing such great work. So my question is a little different. And I guess I'm looking for some optimism here. I really need it. In your work all over the country and talking to people all over the place, I sort of personally get a sense that there are all these little militias out there forming, to take our country back. Do you ever hear anything about that? Of course, I'm from the South, so I might hear things differently than other people do. We're not going to go down softly, let me tell you that. [APPLAUSE] But seriously, do you ever hear any undercurrent of discontent with the conservatives that are ready to put up or shut up? ANDY NGO: I think we saw an attempt at that, in some form at least. Possibly, you could argue that on the 6th of January. And that's not something I think that the right should embrace. I don't think the response to left-wing political violence, left-wing extremism is to take up arms and to fight them on the streets. If you look at the history of the Weimar Republic, part of the conditions that led to the populist welcoming in Hitler was that there was a lot of back-and-forth political violence involving paramilitaries of-- not just the communists, but the Nazis had their own paramilitary. The Social Democrats had their own paramilitaries. They were taking to the streets. They were fighting each other. They were disrupting each other's events. There were assassinations and then counter-assassinations. I'm not sure what possible solutions can be. I think that's left to other thinkers. I'm just here to tell my reporting on Antifa. But my impulse, though, is to say that I think you can work through the system, at least locally, to save your communities from this rot that is affecting primarily liberal urban areas. But I would be very concerned with anybody advocating for an escalation. We've had a lot of people die in political violence in just the past year and a half. And certainly, I don't hope for any more of that to happen. [APPLAUSE]
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Channel: Hillsdale College
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