Michael Thompson: The Final Chapter, Daughter Speaks

just remind you guys i'm mason to the left of me as shane and this is the damage done podcast we're here telling stories of redemption hardship pain overcoming those type of things and with with michael thompson um that was the exact attitude and approach we took to the episodes with him and then we as most of you know i'm sure the ones especially watching this episode uh he's obviously back in jail and we recently had his wife on and there there's a final piece to this puzzle before we we want to put this to bed we're very aware that there's much larger viewership with with this and we're not the michael thompson podcast and and we we have plans for bigger and better things and we feel like this is the final piece for everyone that has been engaged in this whole i don't know saga a two make your informed decision about who he is or who he isn't and how you want to feel going forward and this is going to be the last one so after our first episode with him um we found out he has a daughter and we never mentioned this to to anyone that we've spoken without off of uh off air and we never mentioned it in our personal relationships with michael we didn't think it would be useful and we wanted to have respect for his daughter it's not something that she wanted to get put out there she wanted to speak on it then she didn't want to speak on it and if you guys paid attention to kind of the second episode with him i would kind of purposely ask questions just to see if i could get it out of him in regards to my questions about family and he was never brought up and then after the uh episode with his wife that we recently just released um she reached back out to shane and so kimber welcome thank you because here is his daughter and and she's here to complete and be the final puzzle to this and as i sit here for the people that are not listening are are watching this particularly on youtube she didn't just contact us and say hey i'm his daughter and i'm gonna come speak to you it was it was a it was a process and we did enough fact-finding i guess to yeah alleviate any concerns and there were several conversations and you know um like mason had touched on in the beginning she had reached out after she saw the first episode and you know some some things that happened and we respected and granted her wishes to not move forward with anything and kind of you know some things had come up and then you know mike's wife reached out and so on and so forth here we are and i guess what mason was getting into is that you know we've reviewed letters dna um ancestry yeah we've seen the ancestry dna uh results in the family tree and the correspondence between her and other verified family members and i'm sitting here i just want to cover this just for i'll show you guys hope you can see it on the camera end up covering some of it that's why i'm holding it funky just for her safety and her safety i guess anonymity anonymity and so these are letters straight from michael thompson um their date they're stamped they have his his prison number on it his bunk number everything like that and then contained within our pretty explicit details of his life his correspondence with his daughter and so we want to discuss a lot of what has been said recently what has been said on our show because our show whether we liked it or not and most of the time we did like because it did benefit us clearly um some of the things there's a lot of things that were said that were i guess i've lost my train of thought well i want some loose ends here yeah and also all right the intention of everything is first of all i was never i was i've never been and mason you know mason can speak to this on his own accord but i've never really been like a half measures person i when i do things that i enjoy and i'm passionate about i give them my all my heart my energy and this is one of those causes so there's been a lot of time resources episodes questions comment all of that regarding you know the specific individual mike and who we connected with and all of those other things but this was for me of paramount importance because i like i want a full depiction for for not only myself but for the viewership and then also for for for his daughter that has things to say and we'll get into that very shortly but you know what the intention of this is honesty and transparency and we felt that it was paramount and important to kind of uh conclude or have her come out and you know we'll without further ado she's right here she's right here we're going to get in thank you so much for making time to come do this of course tell us who you are tell everyone who you are and what's going on and if anything we just said was inaccurate i am 100 michael thompson's daughter um but i am the daughter that i don't think he wanted anybody to know about um he uh in my opinion tried to silence me through fear and and and that of course grant you given you know where he comes from um but you know he had convinced his family for gosh as long as i've been alive that you know he couldn't possibly have children because he had a football injury and yet in the same token he was talking out both sides of his mouth and sending me the letters that you've read yeah and you know that's not at all what he's saying to me um and i've kept quiet number one because of the safety reasons but i never wanted to gain any type of fame or anything like that i mean who when i tell people that know me personally that who my father is you know they would say well why would you be proud of something like that well grant you that's fair so it's not like you know oh hey here i am you know pay attention to me um and you know you guys touched on the when i reached out to you after the first podcast which i did not watch in its entirety because it upset me um i had not known the exact time that he had gotten out of prison so that podcast was the first time that you knew he was released yes i mean i have always checked his prison records you know to see which prison he was in and when i saw back in april of 2019 that he had been granted parole i would just about hit the floor because i was like never in a million years do i ever think that i would live to see the day that he would walk out of prison and you know he's obviously talked about being paroled in his letters and you know when i visited him and things like that um and then he wanted to use me and some of his parole hearings if you've read that too and so why he wouldn't want everybody to know that i existed even though some of his family members did and some of his family members denied it it's a question i can't i don't have an answer to you know but um after seeing him on the podcast my initial reaction was anger why um anger over the fact that um as i was listening to him i felt like he was playing you and i said that to you i told you that he was and then you know those circumstances arose where you know you would ask me to interview for an interview and i declined and i never bothered to see the other podcast that he had done and on that father's day on father's day i had his number i'd gotten his telephone number from a family member yeah and i'd held on to his phone number for well over a month debating about whether or not i should contact him you know he knows where i where i live he knows he knows my and he you know he had my telephone number given to him by his niece my first cousin so you know why aren't you reaching out to me well i thought when he you know when if he ever got out of prison he would be in the witness protection program hey that's the reason why i didn't hear from him makes sense now i see him touting his ass all over the internet talking and i'm like what the hell you know it angered me it was like okay so you send me all these letters and you tell me how much you want to be a part of my life you want me to do the dna testing you want me to come to your pro maybe i could help you with your parole yeah and now you're out and you don't even bother to contact me no and now he's on your podcast for redemption and he's talk he's touting his innocence when in fact i've read the court documents sure i've talked to the prosecutor that originally prosecuted him in 1975 in 2006. his scenario is not at all how it actually went down so as his daughter you're saying first of all even we're getting away from why you're angry by where you're angry but i think this is also an important point to bring up you're saying that he's because he's we've asked him multiple times here and then his second interview we followed up and we're like have you ever killed someone and he says i've never killed anyone so you're saying he's unequivocally guilty of murder he's a liar he has killed people i have letters from him where he has said that um that they had to hose down the yard with a fire truck sure he'll claim that he has definitely stabbed people done this that whatever but you seem to know differently he's he's a killer he is a killer he absolutely has killed and you know when he was sitting there let's take that back we were talking about him stabbing and all that and he was talking about the attack on his life just prior to his release which was in 2015 by the way which was last that's when i last heard from him he cut off all contact right um and then he was talking about uh being sliced on the air sure and all that i was looking really hard to see if i could see any scars i'm not saying that they're not there are there no i couldn't see them sure but my point of it is is that when you specifically do a documentary where you show how to kill people you are a killer and he has admitted that in several instances but then turns around and goes back and denies it i mean the national geographic documentary you know you you as and i'm going to keep pointing back to the letters because there's a lot there's a lot here we will get said yeah and so everything is kind of correlating to what he has said to you and what he has said in the letters and i found it i not ironic that's the wrong word when his wife was on the podcast and she you had asked her the question of you know how did you not know how you know did you ask and things like that she said that she had brought up and i'm just paraphrasing her i'm not quoting her that's right um she had brought it up to him and he had said to her or she said that he had said to her what do you want me to do kill him yeah she said that quite a few times so you have to pay attention to that no i did that's right you have to pay attention so that is in my opinion that's how he deals with things and his the re when he was talking about how he just went and he just was telling these people that your kids are going to get kidnapped that's not at all if you look at the court documents and the case records he wanted to be with butch nunley's wife butch nominee is the victim that one that was killed for his original sentence correct correct got it and so from from court documents that um it was arranged that you know they were going to take them out and there was a story made up about the kills being kidnapped or what have you not so you know the deal goes down it's done and it's over with sure michael married the victim's widow yeah so um he doesn't deny that he doesn't deny that but his argument in the second episode was and i'm not saying you're wrong let me interrupt you here for a second the court records say he did it in order to keep from having her testify against him yes yes he said that on our second episode because i asked him about that uh and he'll he he he flips what you're saying right now is saying that his story is the real one and the other story is the made up one and again right that this that's it's it's not about what we believe this this is being done for for the for the general public that has interest and for what they want to believe what seems more plausible that's completely up to them to decide to say yeah and i'm his daughter and i believe he's a killer yeah absolutely 100 and you're not have you believed that always or you believe that recently no no i've always believed that even so because so what i want to get back to is that was the letters and kind of tied into this so 1996 is when you first found out that he was your father no no i've always known he was when he first started corresponding with him that's when i first started corresponding i was the product of an affair her mom always told her my mother was very honest with me that and given the fact that of her history and the way you know i was raised by her that i think that was the one good deed that she did when your mother in the letters are interrupted donna correct correct right because he talks about how you were conceived and i just want to make sure because there's a couple different names in there of what yes donna was my mother yeah different different women well as well he's just like my wife's and my girlfriends but also when we were at breakfast it was like hey and this is how you were conceived and this is what happened and this and that happened so it's it's quite clear unless you're you spent years crafting these and the story just to arrive here today that this is all very very valid stuff and i wanted you to have that you did i did you made it a point that we had breakfast so we could have this correct because and and i don't mean this to be rude but um if you had done more homework on him yeah you wouldn't have been played by him like you were sure and i did not want you in that position again since you wanted to put this dog to bed yeah i didn't want you in that position that's why i was kind of in that one with this wife and i might have taken like look at the end of the day i can be intense and i can come off as sarcastic and all these things but i'm like i like to connect but i also don't like being played and being lied to as well it's like part of like my old self as well i felt like somebody whether or not he did or he didn't but i just felt like when his wife was here her story wasn't plausible and if i'm going to be just saying these things they might have come off as condescending what do you think the lawyers and prosecute prosecutors going to how do you think they're going to be coming at you you know sure well and it was it was we're getting back to the father's day and a little lead up to what you were just saying yeah um and that'll tie in um i had had his his cell phone number for for well over a month and i had debated whether or not i should contact him given the fact and the circumstances of apparently he doesn't want to be a part of my life anymore because i don't fit his narrative i don't know yeah that's what i want that's what i want to touch on you've read in his letters that he does things and he doesn't you know he has his reasons he like i'm not going to get those reasons you for a reason from 1996 and we have it through 2015. and he was released in 2019. so why we're going to get into the why do you think that there's four years of no contact right for sure yeah well and only he can answer that yeah um but i waited and then on father's day i sent him a text and i actually told him that never in my lifetime did i ever think that i would be able to wish you a happy father's day in real time um and you know the dna tests came came back and it's you know unequivocally proven that you are my biological father which is what we've always known and i said with that being said and i'm just paraphrasing here just about i extend my wishes to you happy father's day and i have made contact with several of my new family members on the thompson side and i sent a copy of that to a cousin of mine newfound cousin and um within three hours she sent me the ap news release of his arrest and i didn't expect to get a response from him because you know this at the moment i sent it you know i'm under the impression you obviously don't want me in your life but now i know for a fact i'm never going to have that that relationship with him that you said that really hurt you i bawled i bawled my head off i literally and i'm not like that i'm not real sensitive i mean i'm you know like i don't easily get upset or cry yeah but this was it was like done done deal i mean there is not going to be any maybe he'll contact me maybe he'll respond maybe he'll show up on my doorstep one day sure maybe i'll get those answers you know and that's that's never going to happen can i say can i say something real quick though that came to me i have friends and i'm sure there's many people around the country that have grown up with you know in single parent homes or with with everything that happen and the type of relationships and the things that you would hurt i can only imagine that like you know you're you're born with a mother and a father and everybody wants to on some level connect with that person but were there ever times where you just like why didn't you just write off and move on like were there times where you had thought that and just because you went out and you had a very successful life and you made something you defied odds and we'll get into how you grew up and all that as well but what was the like how the persistence behind it and wanting to have some sort of connection with him and doing all of these things what was that like okay well you know when you go out fishing for sharks right you hold that chum up trying to get them out of the water so that they can take a big old bite and you can take a big old picture that's what it's like you know that's how it felt for me it was kind of like okay i'm out there fishing on that boat and i'm trying to get that shark up out of that water because damn i want to catch that shark and it kind of felt like that for me that's the best analogy that i can give it it was like all these years you know he admitted his paternity he's admitted i'm his daughter how he wants to have a relationship with me 25 years of this going on so then when you go through periods of not hearing from him for whatever reason it may be you have to sit back and you have to question logically is it because something's going on because you read in one of his letters where he was going through a situation with the hell's angels that he spoke about and if i had tried to contact him any time before that he wouldn't have responded sure so i have to take that into account in in calculating what's my next move do i just cut off all contact drop the ball don't do nothing you know so when it came time to in 2015 and in the end of at the end of 2014 where he gave me my uncle's information contact information and asked me to contact him in order to do the dna testing because that's i had already done dna testing the man that had signed my birth certificate which he also mentioned in those letters you know the man that signed my birth certificate was not my biological father and i'd always known that but i went a step further and i contacted his biological children and i conducted dna testing just to you know put it put it to rest and there was no match so it was looking as though yeah my mom was telling me the truth you know she was telling me the truth so you want to keep going forward you want to keep getting to that that to that point you know it was very important to me more important to me than it was to him to have that dna testing done because growing up with a drug addicted violent mother i had many stepfathers but not knowing where you come from and and from that sense and why is it that i'm so strong why is it that i was able to do the things that i've done and yet my my twin couldn't yeah and and looking at my mother and the weaknesses that she had and the drug addiction that she had and i'm the complete opposite so where does that come from so you want you want that it's like when you get married you know and you get that marriage certificate first thing the wife wants to do is rush down and get her driver's license changed so she can have that name and it it was important to me not that not because i wanted anything from him sure i just wanted to say see i told you because my whole entire life he's convinced his family that he couldn't have children because of a football injury and that's exactly the response i got from his brother he refused absolutely refused what do you do it mike stopped there i've sent him another letter never heard another word from him so i just said fine you know but i tracked him i always trailed him i always knew where no prison he was in yeah well there's letters from the different prisons and everything and you did you did go visit him in prison oh yeah oh yeah i first met him in 1996. but you know again how i found him was through a newspaper article about redemption in the news in the orange county register yeah in the orange county register and it was about whether or not he was a changed man and redemption and i contacted the reporter and i said listen i'm his daughter yeah and first michael denied it and then i sent him pictures and then he says oh you look just like my sister yeah so um you know we corresponded and i met and what was that like first meeting him no well okay um it was weird um you know driving up to corcoran i didn't know what to expect um i didn't really know what he looked like other than um what i had seen when he in his earlier days in the 80s you know with the patch on his eye you know the big old buff muscles you know sure um i didn't know what he sounded like and you know i had to be approved to visit him because he was in the phu protective housing unit and i walked up to the gate and there he was standing there this pic six foot four rock i mean just huge and he started to talk and you all we all know what he sounds like it was just like that voice does not match you know the man i'm looking at in these prison blues walking through all these gates and i hugged him and we walked into the pod and i looked to my left and there was charles manson sitting at a table with his fizzer and of course you know i didn't want to go you know try to keep it together and we sat down and had a visit and every time i visited michael charles was there i said i would bring you know money for vending and stuff like that and then when i joined the military and left the state visits obviously ceased because of that and but we obviously kept corresponding throughout the years so he he when when you would visit with him you would acknowledge that you're his daughter yeah he told chuckles and i was his daughter so it wasn't like friendly like i was just my friend well you also read you know when when a cellmate or somebody saw my picture that i had sent to him and he says no that's my daughter asked if it was if i was a sister yeah yeah yeah and and michael said no that's my daughter you idiot or something like that sure so when i was sitting there during the first visit charles was a little off to my left so i really couldn't see what he was doing but he had gotten up and walked behind me and around to my right in between standing between michael and i and michael just pushed back his chair and it was the first time that um i actually could see that prisoners like that side side of him because you know grant you he doesn't know what charles is going to do you know sure and um charles wanted to know who i was and asked me er asked him who i was and michael said this is my daughter and he acknowledged me to my charles manson yeah he did and at one point when during one of the visits charles wanted a picture of himself and his visitor and myself and my and michael and so we got the picture and unfortunately i did lose it being military you you lose some things and that's okay unfortunately but there are witnesses who've seen it but that's not that's not a big deal you know i mean i've met charles manson i have seen him i've had my picture taken with him yeah when i was gone i was going to visit my father and i was going to get all those answers that anyone would want that's another thing that you brought up that you wanted to dispute from the first podcast well maybe not dispute but you had something contrary to what michael says because michael sat right in that same chair that you're sitting on that same microphone saying that mike uh michael charles manson was a punk and that he took as a woman and you say that he was quite friendly with him and you never got the sense is that is that accurate or am i making that up you know you're right okay i mean charles the visits that i had with michael charles never had a woman there they were all male visitors that's his prerogative whatever so i can't dispute that part of michael's but i never got the impression from michael that he disliked charles because anytime charles came around he would talk to to michael but yeah they were friendly towards each other and if he if i don't like someone ain't none of your damn business that i'm talking to yeah fair enough yeah a lot on taking pictures but yeah i mean we don't know that we don't need to get into whether the relationship was not whether it was good or not but i was leading into more of the things that you wanted to dispute which were there the initial reason that you reached out there was quite a few michael told me that charles wanted to be michael's friend and wanted protection from the a b yes um and that's where it stopped but i never got the impression every time i visited michael that he disliked charles you don't take a picture with him you don't talk to him you don't you know that's that's how i roll i don't you know sure and being michael um one of the most feared men in the prison system why would he give a damn what charles madsen thought so i never got so an answer to that question i never got the sense that he disliked him not but i'm not him of course i mean that that's that's uh to be fair that's no that's that's of course that's your opinion but that's also your first hand experience but another thing i wanted to bring up which i think is kind of a big deal so we're talking again the purpose of at least this for us is the pain of pictures he redeemed is he not redeemed right you may say he's not i may say he is he may say he's not it might change i know and there's another thing you do believe it's more of a theory than personal experience but you have claimed that you believe that michael has never left the aryan brotherhood i have believed that since day one i do not believe that he is defected i think i do not believe that at all not at all in fact i just feel like he went from the murdering board to the cfo board how so because you know he talked about the ab being a criminal organization making money yes money money it's about money right so as far as i know he's a very smart man yeah why wouldn't you want somebody as well educated as he is running the enterprise making the money right this is my this is my perspective this is what i'm thinking this is what's going through my head and you got you you know he was talking about the blood and the blood out and if you if you watch the documentaries and you pay attention to the things that are being said and the way that the ab is is being portrayed um i believe 100 percent that it's bloody blood out and why would you be put in protective housing if that wasn't a true you know risk if you're going to turn on the a b sure that's a true risk so you've been able to survive in prison since when did he turn on him 83. he said about 35 years 83 and you managed to stay alive all this time i don't know you know very hard to believe and yet you've amassed wealth while behind bars sure i got my very first tattoo at his his burt bread or something like that they had tattoo parlors yeah she was hired to cover legitimate legitimate businesses on the outside yeah she was hired to cover up his tattoos so that you can recognize him because you know he turned on the a b and so they ended up getting married and they had tattoo parlors and i went to one of the tattoo parlors and got my very first tattoo there now i believed it was his tattoo parlor because that's what he told me sure and you said there's another reason for why he really left the aryan brotherhood he said it was because there was uh the the organization was uh they they started killing innocent civilians you said that's different what's that story well he is he talking about well i think he's talking about the curtis price sure yeah and and what happened with that and i have been given some information that his original defection from the ab was because he he uh angered robert lee griffin otherwise known as blinky blinky i believe is what he called him and he also became a high-ranking a b member and i don't know the circumstances of that but his so-called defection and he talks about never running from someone but he was running from that he was running from that man so that doesn't make any sense to me it doesn't it just doesn't compute with me when you put in the piece of pieces together you know and this piece just does not fit when you're touting yourself as an individual who's not only one of the most feared men in the prison system that you've never killed anybody well then why the hell are you why are they fearing you yeah you know i don't know what i know these are rhetorical questions these are total rhetorical questions these are questions that i've said to i've asked myself over the years so in in meeting with him reading his letters and seeing all of his documentaries and and everything else that i've read all the newspaper articles i've read about him and everything i just don't believe that he ever left the ab i just believe he just went on over to the other board and that's how he's still alive i believe that's why he's still alive and i also believe that's why he's now sitting in jail really yes because excuse me making making money i mean he he's what he's got 33 counts of fraud against him yeah like a million a million and a half almost two million dollars saying um you know you you would ask her the question we talked about this earlier you had asked her the question about um how could you not have known how could you be so blind or not were you being complicit you know and she said well you know i i did have some concerns and i did bring him up um and he responded with what do you want me to do kill him well um what kind of rational person would say something like that unless that's something you're used to doing that's just that's what goes through my mind i have no proof of what i'm claiming yeah but uh i know him outside of his own family members for the family more than anybody not 25 years i've corresponded i do not believe for a minute that he's left the ab but he wanted me to to be fearful for my safety and to to keep quiet yeah what do you think that angle was because that's why again what i wanted to bring up because he's talking to for all these years and then all of a sudden he just goes radio or letter silent radio silence or something he went dark he went dark on you for four years and then all of a sudden you see that he's out on a podcast and then months later our podcast here we are sitting here and i feel like you have to have some ideas about that and i think these ideas are important just having you talk here is just it's giving more context to everything that's been said with with what's in the newspapers what's in our last episode with his wife and his two previous episodes and then what's out there in the ether with with other channels i i believe that i don't fit his narrative and what is that narrative um that is that i what i'm doing right now saying what i'm saying right now because it contradicts a lot of what he says and and what he has said and i mean i it just doesn't fit into that that narrative that is the narrative being what he's saying what you mean is that i'm a change you're a liar i'm not i'm non-violent i'm all these things you're a liar so let me ask you a difficult question yeah i want to ask you a difficult question as his daughter do you think he should be behind bars for the rest of his life absolutely easy just that easy night without even blinking you think that he's a danger to society as as he is i do believe so truly yes as as the as dangerous in the sense where he's in trouble for things like doing what he's accused of doing right now with fraud or endangered his society that he can take human lives or something in between let me tell you something yes okay if the a b wanted to get to him he's a sitting duck he's in that jail cell right now they could get to him why should i sit there and worry about my life my safety when his wife isn't and they can get him they want to get you they're going to get you he's sitting in that jail cell well he's acutely aware that if anybody's going to come up on him what do you think he's going to do well i hope he's fine he's not going to [ __ ] slap him no no hit his demeanor his philosophy he tries to tout peace yeah one with the uh the earth the universe well let me tell you something there is not a stitch not a stitch of native american blood in him yeah not a stitch of course not native american i know some channels i'm looking at the camera because you i'm probably i'm not talking about other people i'm talking to you directly i won't name names but uh you'll be probably happy to hear that we looked at the ancestry dna and there wasn't any native blood in there at all no zero which is another thing that kind of maybe infuriated you or upset you it did infuriate me okay i'm fury it's a great word okay got it and this is again this is not about revenge this is not about revenge this is this is finally i've remained silent for so long and now that he's out or was was out i was seeing it from that perspective of your podcast sure the damage that he could do and was doing yeah and i am not at all surprised that he was arrested for fraud because no because i mean he's you've heard him talk yeah you know how he speaks you know i mean he comes off you know like this he's slick oh he's slick he slipped you know talked about he got um he finally got paroled because of humility but you read in his letters about you know how the parole board always accused him of being manipulative and yeah you know he's talked about that too but i think he's more of a danger outside of the prison system than he is on the inside really yes because of what he just has done and i think that he used you to set up credibility for himself it's possible and um because i do believe this is just me so there's people who have the same opinions he um probably knew that he was being investigated and you know even when he was doing our first original episode do you think you think yes oh you think you knew the heat was already on so you think he did our episode as a way to get heat off of him for to show credibility for his transformation it's possible show credibility for the live learning process that's what i mean show credibility for every all the non-profits that he's doing because yeah he talked about non-profits a lot and those other letters like he started and founded a bunch of different i'm the ceo of this he didn't even mention i mean it was a while ago but i'm saying he has an affinity for setting up these organizations it seems like and yet he amassed wealth while behind bars well that was because you're part of the a b yeah i mean so that's that's that's that's a logical explanation i don't know how much i don't know how much wealth he may or may not have had but if he did have money i'm not sure how you talk about that equity in some of his property yeah but again does he have the property for real is the property valuable that's that's a whole different discussion however if it's there it's there the fact is seems he had some money when he got out and now he's in jail and so how did he get that money i can't call it well he scammed him yeah well there's yeah there's other people i'll let them speak on that that's all good yeah you know but that's that was the um that first podcast that was that was it for me i was this like you know son of a [ __ ] i can't believe it although it was and then it wasn't though because you reached out we talked a little bit and then we set up a call and i think it was like it was fairly early in the morning you sent me a message like hey you know i spoke to my family i've taken this i've done i'm gonna all right i'm gonna reevaluate some things and i think it was we've talked since it's because you were coming from a place of more emotional size and you wanted to be more rational whether or not we ever spoke again i'm saying this is in hindsight now you're right yeah you're right you're exactly right i try not to do things based on emotion and i don't and i do like we talked about earlier i believe um a lot i have similar similar thoughts about how the universe works and being right you know and i believe in karma like michael does and i i obviously apparently i get that from him but um i didn't want to do anything that would not only harm myself but harm others based on my emotions and at that time i was very emotional i mean i'm just learning that he's been out for how long and i haven't heard from him so you know all those emotions are running rampant and this is the very first time i've ever come public yeah i've never never come out public at all and so it it was um it was a decision that i had to feel good about and after watching the podcasts you know last night because i didn't i wanted to make sure that i i knew what i was talking about you know of course um i felt i was doing the right thing and i still feel i'm doing the right thing i i don't i don't think he's left the a b i don't i think i do believe that he has scammed all these people and for whatever reason he has for not contacting me i don't know but i am his greatest accomplishment and he has nothing he's had nothing to do with it yeah and come and that so we're going to touch on that for sure but what just came to my mind as as you're talking about the being the first time you're going public about these things and saying these things this is going to get back to them one way or another oh absolutely you will um and we can we can all figure out how that will happen but there's something you want to say directly to him right now what is that gee i never thought about that i know i mean i really never thought about that um you blew it you blew it look at the camera and say it to him he blew it you blew it i mean we talked about my life and how i was raised and i was the one damn good thing out here he had and he walked away from it for whatever reason and if you had just reached out to me if you had just talked to me i would probably be advocating for him right now yeah i probably would be trying to help him doing everything that i possibly can does that mean i believe he's innocent no no but as his daughter who wants to maintain that relationship and that connection with him who wouldn't want to do that sure so you you know you made your bed you line it that old adage and he you blew it well more so also that you're here as well is that your whole life and where you the things you've seen witnessed lived through your story is inspiring it's full of redemption and hope i mean you grew up with a drug addicted mother without a father father was in prison for murder correct um grew up homeless from 15 to 18. correct was never a drug addict did whatever you had to do to survive and did it with dignity and work several different jobs and joined the military join the military right yeah you want me to touch on that or you just want to i just want to whether you want to touch on it or not i just want to tip my hat to you and say like you know it's not like it's something and i know that you're proud of it but i i see you as like a very very strong woman and an inspiring woman i wanted to touch on that yeah well you're right and um you know my mother was a drug addict and um she was very violent emotionally psychologically and physically um my sister my twin sister got the brunt of the abuse because she looked a lot like michael and so she was in and out of mental institutions from the time that we were 14 years old and unfortunately passed away in 2012. um with that being said um you know the mind the mindness of her abuse was really bad i didn't suffer a lot of the physical abuse that my sister had until after my sister had left and we were 14 and then at the age of 15 you know i was in high school i was on the swim team the water polo team i was getting good grades i was a good girl i wasn't you know running around doing things i wasn't supposed to be doing um she came home from work one day and said i'm tired of taking care of you you have two hours to pack your [ __ ] get the [ __ ] out that's exactly what you said to me so i packed my clothes and left this was about 14.50 i was 15. yeah and i was just uh floored i was like what the hell so i packed my bag and i left and i never went home i never went back and i lived on the streets from 15 to 18. um i had planned to join the military straight out of high school we talked about that and i failed the physical because i was pregnant with my daughter my oldest child and her father we we never finished that conversation about that but her father um was arrested while i was pregnant with her and i did not know that he was committing armed robberies and i was with him the day that he was arrested and i was five months pregnant and we pulled up into a grocery store and before i knew it cops were yelling and i had a 45 pointed at my head although they didn't realize that i was a minor and pregnant that's the first time i learned of his criminal activity so here i see history repeating itself in that regard my disdain for my mother and her her drugs always came first it didn't matter if i needed i i used to eat just crackers of milk sometimes there wasn't even food in the house because if the drugs the drugs were first yeah you needed drugs before food exactly that was my story always so um you know i i deeply resented what drugs did to her and what it did in my life so i never did drugs i even though she tried to accuse me of always taking her drugs because she used it so much she couldn't remember what she took yeah but um so i saw history repeating itself like here here my dad's in prison now her dad's in prison i'm living on the streets you know i can't raise this child and my family wasn't going to help me but my grandmother allowed me to move in provided that i gave her up for adoption and that's what i did it was the best decision i ever made because right then and there that was the moment that i broke any type of cycle that was going to go on for perpetuated that cycle yeah and um i went on to marry and have other children all college educated i went to college i served my country i did end up serving my country because it was something i started and wanted to finish um and i have a good life i never sold sold myself on the streets i never did drugs and i never took a damn thing that didn't belong to me i worked for everything that i have and i'm i should i work two jobs went to school it's amazing to do i mean we talked about being a statistical anomaly i am yeah no you definitely are and do not get into that being strong enough to not get into that type of lifestyle or just do drugs to take the pain away or the whatever it was that you were going through i can't even imagine putting it into words is marginalizing it from me from my standpoint but i started doing drugs because i had like fear and self-esteem issues but i had like a good ease easy pretty life you know um and then to hear stories like yours is just it's remarkable and then it's also for anybody out there that struggles like most of the things that we struggle with there are solutions and there's actionable steps and ways to go about it but most of the things that we do are implemented from choices that we make that's right and you know michael talked about that too and that's where i get that from as well i mean i raised my kids it will you know with the understanding that look i had choices i could have chosen to go many different directions sure and i chose not to go in that direction because that's not what i wanted for my life i felt i deserved better i deserved to have the mom and the dad at home and the white picket fence that everybody dreams about especially little girls playing with their dolls i never played with little dolls i didn't i didn't do that i was too busy trying to survive figuring out where my next meal was going to come from you know if my mom going to be home tonight and if what so what kind of mood is she going to be in will she have her pot i mean 1982 that was think that was the worst year of her drug use and i was telling you all that you know we lived in an apartment we always lived in roach infested apartments and you know bad conditions and we had a cat that was sick and we didn't have money to do the laundry i hadn't seen my mother in days and i went to school with cat [ __ ] on my clothes so i mean i knew i wanted something different and i wanted better and i deserve better so everything that my mother did i just did the opposite and i have no feelings for that woman and i do mean none the day that i was in the i was the day that i learned that she died they waited for me to get there and they pulled her out in a cardboard box and i touched her thigh just to make sure that the [ __ ] was gone and that was it i didn't shed one damn tear over that woman i don't miss her and a lot of people say well how could you how could you feel that way about your mother well i'll tell you what when you have a knife put to your throat or you have a vase broken over your head or when you're from the time that you're say five years old to the time that you're 12 and you're told that if you don't behave you're going to juvenile hall or a lot of the things that she's done just do you have gratitude for either your mom or michael for who you are today as a person yes actually i do because if it weren't for them being as messed up as they are i wouldn't probably be who i am today they were the perfect example of who not to be the perfect example so many many people like we talked about this have problems we all have problems of course we all have issues we all have our reasons for doing the things that we do but i don't believe things happen for a reason they happen in their own time that doesn't mean that's destiny it's just how the universe works so when you're kicked in the nuts you're hit over the head or something's happening to you don't sit there and try to figure out the why behind it because you're wasting your time you may never get that answer get your ass up and you start walking and you need to do what you need to do i sit put ice on it do something you know don't sit there and feel sorry for yourself because where's that going to get you and i've never felt sorry for myself we talked about my husband and my stepson having cancer losing my dog and then michael being finding out he's released in this podcast and then re-arrested that's a lot yeah i'm not depressed i'm not sad i don't feel sorry for myself i don't i don't feel that way i've and maybe maybe that's where my strength comes in at you know but we also talked about it as well i'm sure there are times where you're weak and you cry and you do this right and then you've also done therapy outside and like you take steps to make sure that your wellness is okay so that you can be that be there for women and for the family and show up in the way that you know that you can yeah and there's maintenance that goes along with it is my is my plan for everybody in that thing you know we all suffer some people suffer with quieter issues some people have louder issues but sure i mean the human condition is that we yeah hell yeah i'm back in psychotherapy and i'm not i'm proud to say it because guess what i'm going through one of the hardest times in my life i've never interrupted you but you're right and uh i gotta have some sort of an outlet and i want that outlet to be a positive outlet not a negative one you know oh sure you know i could say i just want to go get high and stay high i don't want to deal with this you know and that's not that's that's not what i'm about that's not how i got this far in life to to do something like that so and i owe it to myself and to my family to take care of myself so you know you do what you have to do and i'm not begrudging or belittling anyone who has problems because i've had i've had many many many people even therapists tell me i should write a book because my story is that inspiring that what i've been through and how i've survived the things that i have survived like living on the streets and like i told you guys earlier at that time it didn't hit me it didn't compute that just how much danger i was really in sure and so yeah i i yeah i but you know i told you also like i'm going back to that i believe that your children are either your greatest accomplishments or your biggest failure and you think that you're michael then back to what you said at the beginning you said it multiple times and you told him to the camera that you he blew it you believe because of everything you have accomplished everything you've been through tying it back into that you are his greatest accomplishment that's another part of why he blew it and he knew that for some point in time he's known here he's right there he's he's he's known your story how strong i am and how i'm this and how i'm that how proud he is blood memory his blood runs through me yeah no i read that why aren't you touting that man down what why aren't you telling that yeah why aren't you saying hey look at look look look at my daughter yeah and that's that's what that's what i want to try to figure out i i don't know why he wouldn't and you and for many years you were sold on it was for your safety but then i see him touting his ass all over the internet and his wife too and i'm like what the hell so it's not for your safety no and so that goes back to what you originally said earlier is it doesn't fit his narrative or redemption because you know you can pull the card on him and be like actually i know this to be true that to be true and you really said this and really did this and that doesn't fit into what he's trying to accomplish as a free man is that a fair assessment yes exactly well i mean i'm i don't know what um recovering um drug you know drug addicts drug abusers go through but you know i i think about that show mom you know and it's has alice and janey and and it's about um former drug uh addicts and stuff like that and they do their uh meetings and stuff and all and they're supposed to make um amends yeah that's what they call it amends with people that they've heard along the way this is what the show is about yeah and it's not like he has wronged me per se but he abandoned you it went it's either going one or two ways either you used me just like you're using everybody else in your life because the letters that you wrote to me were ones of wanting to have a relationship with me sure i didn't do anything wrong no he didn't so and he also said in one of the letters that he didn't mind if i went ahead and told people that i'm his daughter true so and that's a conundrum and that's an answer that i'm never going to have and i don't really dwell on it but that's where my anger comes from in that like he blew it it's like you get out of prison after 45 years and you don't want to say look at look at what i have it's hard i'm assuming i'm just saying it's hurtful yeah it is hurtful it is hurtful it's disappointing too yeah and i think just stupid i mean sure no it's definitely a stupid i brag about my kids all the time and then one of them all the time one of the one of the things aside from that subject that i wanted the clothes on because we're getting short on time though is um the the intent i know we've like discussed the intent but behind you coming out part of it but like from what from my understanding because you always said to us and you touched on it at the beginning it's like oh you guys were played this night we don't feel played he whether he was playing us or not playing us cool it doesn't mean that the end result is not played we're okay but why why we wanna for for me my intention i think it aligns with your intention is there's a lot of people out there that have found a lot of inspiration and hope in his two interviews and then they were really let down and then we had the third interview and then exactly and now here's the fourth interview to complete the picture now we don't want to dig further into this the only way i could ever see us digging further into this is if he's releasing he wants to do another episode and we'll consider doing that if it makes sense it may or may not make sense but the most important thing is is that you finish are there things in closing that you feel like you haven't touched on for these people to understand things that stuck out in those interviews and based on what's transpired since those interviews that you feel that people should have more context for to to give them the full picture i don't believe that michael is the true picture or true form of redemption i don't believe that at all and that's why i said you were played you just touched on something that was even more important they were played all of all of your viewers were played into believing that here's this man that has you know like me sitting here telling my story yeah but i proved my story sure i gave you the evidence yeah i mean there is no question about it i mean it's there and that's what was important to me to meet with you two so that anybody can come back and say what they want yeah but then they will and they will that's fine i don't have i have zero social media zero yeah i have the social media i look through it i don't really give a damn i get a kick out of it but um that's what angered me the most is because you do have people out there that are feeling that you know it's pointless i'm never going to make it or they relapse or they go back into jail just like michael did yeah you know so um don't look at michael as a role model for redemption don't just don't because you sure didn't no hell no and you and you changed or you you didn't turn into a statistic that's what i meant yeah no i did not i didn't turn into a statistic so just because it wasn't easily could have yeah you so easily could have and that's an important distinction coming from his daughter because you didn't see his episode as a way to find hope and redemption which we which we hope they did that's what we're here for we people come for the true crime and they stay for the hope and redemption or whatever his hope and redemption me you because look at me that's my point look at me i mean his ass is sitting down in jail do you think if he's uh freed and cleared of these charges he could ever find redemption do you ever think that he could because he has good guy i i believe he has good qualities to him i'll say that you may disagree it's fine no he does have good and i think he has a lot of redeeming qualities but do you think he can if he is indeed this person that is guilty of these murders and he did defraud these people whatever that in the the time he has left on this earth he can do something to actually genuinely change is that possible and would your heart be open to him ever making amends to you if that possibility came or is this it for you no this is it for me truly truly yeah i mean i knew coming into this and coming forward publicly for the first time i mean i'll be 51 here soon sure so i had a long time yes you know 25 years and i never wanted to do anything that possibly could have jeopardized any kind of relationship i could have had with him anything and the relationship that i had with him yeah and you know he he was the one that was the captain of this ship not me so as far as i'm concerned so what would you do if you received a letter from him or a call from him would you just trash it or would you respond to it yeah probably trash and so you can go [ __ ] yourself you can go [ __ ] yourself fair enough yeah i don't fault you for that i'm just i just want to understand and for other people to understand this is your feeling you have an actual connection to him as you said the blood bond or the blood memory or that type of stuff and so i that's i mean is there something else you wanted to touch on before we close out real quick i'm sure some of his his you know the thompson family is going to be upset that i came forward being that i'm so new to the family yeah what do you have to say to them um i don't give a damn okay i don't know you [ __ ] okay she doesn't know you should i guess um yes i mean i don't know fair enough i don't know if they might talk [ __ ] to me fair enough i just wanted to say in closing that you know i i appreciate you your honesty you're forthcoming i mean there was i have nothing to gain i i i no i know i'm just saying like you can't you you presented everything for our just you know so that we could verify and check and all of that but i just want to say that i you know commend you and everything that you've been through and everything that you have today and have created and um you know i'm grateful that we met and hopefully we have a friendship moving forward and if there's anything that me or mason can ever do for you please appreciate that keep your family you know in our prayers but i would like to say to the two of you that and to your listeners yeah and you know and your your viewers yeah that if you really want a true example of what redemption is like it's you too thank you and that's what i want to preserve that's i i don't want don't pay attention to michael don't you don't even have to listen to my story you don't you don't i you don't but what you're trying to do is good and that's one of the causations from my coming forward thank you and beautiful i think you guys are doing a really good job and i will be following you probably on the internet yeah social media it's okay you could create social media just to follow us and share with your people like michael says and i've always said it it's none of my business what you think of me yeah so i really don't care hopefully my story will help some people and maybe will shed a different light on the perspective of where michael was coming from sure but again i don't think that he's a man of redemption he's not a man that i would follow as an example um yes he i believe he is a murderer and yes um i still think he's part of the a b pretty heavy but thank you for your time thank you for having me thank you for being here that's it like follow share subscribe say nice things say mean things it's all all one in the same thanks you

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Length: 58min 56sec (3536 seconds)

Published: Sun Jul 18 2021