Michael Franzese on His Blow Up with Mob Boss Paul Castellano over Chicken (Part 9)

and Frank Lucas we interviewed him uh you know he had a relationship with bumpy Johnson he was I guess his driver at one point and I guess he end up testifying against a bunch of dirty cops as well I don't know if he testified against other people as well but is that considered a no-no testify against cops testifying against anybody he's considered a no no I mean we're not supposed to do that you know at least in our life you know we're not supposed to give information or testify at any point in time against anybody that's what we're told obviously it wouldn't be looked at as poorly as if you testified against one of your own but we're not supposed to do that gotcha now before you were actually made a made man you had a situation with a Paul Castellano yes am i pronouncing it correctly that's correct yes okay and Paul Castellano well he was known as the Howard Hughes had the Howard Hughes of the mob why was he given that name because of his business acumen he was a very wealthy guy and he was you know allegedly more legitimate than he was you know a street guy more of a legitimate guy in a businessman and you know so they viewed him in that way and not necessarily favorably I I didn't hear a lot of good things about Paul Castellano during my time before he got murdered and you know my one encounter with him that was you know a problem you know I didn't care for him too much either but and I was my opinion right and he was the head of the Gambino crime family and I guess at the time that was the most powerful family yeah Gambino Genovese you know they were the biggest family so people looked at them as being the most powerful families but you know that's that's subjective you know if you ask person go we were the most powerful but you know the gambino and the Genovese by-the-numbers were bigger than us and and therefore they might have had more power than us okay and you had a situation over some chicken with Paula that's correct can you describe that yeah I had a market out in Long Island and you know it's one of those markets that had a butcher shop and a seafood and grew fruits and vegetables and we were told that we had to buy our chicken paula was in the chicken business I think Frank Frank Perdue was his partner so we had to buy our chicken and our poultry from Paul so I had a big order it was a Memorial Day weekend we bought a big order from him and somebody came in and we sold him a big order for the Memorial Day weekend well the day after on a Tuesday they came back and said they couldn't use any of the chickens because they had maggots in him they were bad so I called up Paul's guy at that time who I didn't know was a made guy and I said we're we're returning the chickens and I'm not paying you for him and he started cussing me out on the phone he said no you're paying for him I said no we're not I said you know where you had them in the fridge refrigerator one day they couldn't have gone bad I'm not paying you so he started cursing me out I started cursing him out back you know we want this big fight on the phone you know and I said I'm not paying you come and pick them up or I'll throw them in the garbage and you know the next morning I get a call from my captain at the time and said get into Brooklyn right away so I go into Brooklyn and he tells me what was this conversation you had with paulie's guy on the phone he said he was a made guy you cursed him out it's well he cursed me out I know who he was so he said well pull he's very upset and you're gonna have to buy back the chickens I said why would I buy him I said they were bad chickens you know this was there was over chickens right so we actually had a sit-down with Paul I mean he was really upset about this and his guy and I was told and with my boss was there so because Paulie was a boss I had to have a boss at the time Tom but Tom DiBella and Andrew Russa they were my two guys so I mean he was really upset with me you cursed my guy out is well I don't know who he was you know I'm sorry I didn't know that he was your only a recruit who are you to talk like that to a made guy is appalling I'm telling you I didn't know he was a made guy oh yes who's on the other end of the phone back and forth back and forth and the way the decision came down afterwards is I didn't have to pay for the chickens but I had to continue using Paulie as my supplier so that's how it worked out but he was very very upset with me you know it called me all sorts of names and so on and so forth and you know after was all over when we drove away my boss and a my captain they started laughing about it they said this is the biggest deal we ever had over chickens in our life and you know it turned out to be a joke with us but it was serious at the moment let me tell you because he was upset so for a guy to get that upset over a couple of hundred bucks that's really all it was you can tell that money was very important to him well why would a boss meet with a recruit of another family wouldn't that be handled on a more higher level well yeah but my boss was there to it I mean this became a major sit-down basically because number one I refused to pay and number two I was disrespectful to another mob guy a made guy I should say who was related to Paulie at the time was his nephew or his cuz I know who he was but so I was disrespectful to a made guy plus I refused to pay so those were two major things at that point in time why Paulie had to come and get involved in this again you're right I agree with you instead of just saying it's a couple of hundred dollars handle it or whatever this one up to that level where my boss and the boss of the Gambino family had to get involved in a major sit down over a couple hundred dollars worth of chickens am I being disrespectful on the other end of the phone to another made guy that's was that big a deal he made out of it was there a chance that you could have gotten killed in that meeting you know I don't know if we went that far but it might have been that they would have stripped me of my ability to get made because I was disrespectful yeah I mean it could have went that far but my guy stood up for me in a big way honestly I was right I mean I wasn't wrong you so many chickens that I can't resell because they got maggots in him I only had a my refrigerator one day so it couldn't have been my fault you know and then you start cursing me out on the other one the phone I mean I was right in that argument so they went to bat for me in a big way and we resolved it but yeah I mean they could have at least you know stripped me of my ability to become a made guy they could have done that

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Length: 6min 53sec (413 seconds)

Published: Fri Dec 06 2019