UNLIKE PERHAPS WITH THE ECONOMY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE FAR MORE AGGRESSIVE. THEY'RE ALSO BEING VERY AGGRESSIVE ON ABORTION. KAMALA HARRIS WILL TRAVEL TO AS ARIZONA TODAY. >> IS KARI LAKE GOING TO BE AT THE KAMALA HARRIS EVENT? SHE SAYS SHE'S ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST THIS ABORTION LAW. >> CKARI LAKE HAS CONTACTED STAE LAWMAKERS IN AN EFFORT TO REPEAL THE ABORTION BAN. THAT'S ACCORDING TO A REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE WHO TOLD NBC NEWS THEY RECEIVED A CALL FROM LAKE EARLIER THIS WEEK. ON WEDNESDAY, THE GOP-CONTROLLED HOUSE SHUT DOWN DISCUSSION ON A PROPOSAL TO OVERTURN THE LAW. LAWMAKERS NOW WILL NOT MEET AGAIN UNTIL NEXT WEDNESDAY. LAKE HAS DECIDEDLY FLIP-FLOPPED ON THE ISSUE AND IS NOW TRYING TO PROJECT A MORE MODERATE STANCE. >> IS THAT LIKE TRUMP FLIP-FLOPPING ON ABORTION AND OBAMACARE. >> WE HAVE A LENGTHY LIST OF TRUMP FLIP-FLOPS. HERE'S WHAT KARI LAKE SAID TWO YEARS AGO. >> I DON'T BELIEVE IN ABORTION. I THINK THE OLDER LAW IS GOING TO GO INTO EFFECT. THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE WILL HAPPEN. I DON'T THINK ABORTION PILLS SHOULD BE LEGAL. >> WE HAVE A GREAT LAW ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW. IF THAT HAPPENS, WE WILL BE A STATE WHERE WE WILL NOT BE TAKING THE LIVES OF OUR UNBORN ANYMORE. >> I'M INCREDIBLY THRILLED WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A GREAT LAW THAT'S ALREADY ON THE BOOKS. IT WILL PROHIBIT ABORTION IN ARIZONA. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE PAVING THE WAY AND SETTING THE COURSE FOR OTHER STATES TO FOLLOW. >> THIS TOTAL BAN ON ABORTION THAT THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT JUST RULED ON IS OUT OF LINE WITH WHERE THE PEOPLE OF THIS STATE ARE. THE ISSUE IS LESS ABOUT BANNING ABORTION AND MORE ABOUT SAVING BABIES. I AGREE WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP. THIS IS SUCH A PERSONAL AND PRIVATE ISSUE. I CHOSE LIFE, BUT I'M NOT EVERY WOMAN. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY WOMAN WHO FINDS HERSELF PREGNANT HAS MORE CHOICES SO THAT SHE CAN MAKE THAT CHOICE THAT I MADE. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD DO IF YOU WERE RUNNING THE AD CAMPAIGN AGAINST EITHER KARI LAKE OR DONALD TRUMP. >> USE THEIR WORDS. >> THERE'S NOTHING I WOULD LOVE MORE IF I WERE A DEMOCRAT THAN TO RUN AGAINST THESE PEOPLE, NOTHING. IT WOULD BE SO FUN. I LOVE WHEN PEOPLE START FLIP-FLOPPING. WAIT, HOLD ON A SECOND. I GOT IT WRITTEN DOWN SOMEWHERE. THEN YOU READ IT AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING WHAT? HOLD ON, AND THEN YOU READ THE THREE OR FOUR QUOTES. I MEAN, COME ON, SHOOTING CATFISH IN A BARREL AS WE USED TO SAY IN THE REDNECK RIVIERA. >> PEOPLE ARE NOT STUPID. THEY CAN PUT THESE PIECES TOGETHER. ONE THING VOTERS HATE, THEY HATE FLIP-FLOPPERS. THEY'RE ALSO LOSING THEM BECAUSE WHO ARE YOU? FORGET THAT I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ISSUE. YOU HAVE NO SOUL, YOU HAVE NO IDEOLOGY. THE BEST ADS IS JUST USING THEIR WORDS. >> THIS WEEK ABORTION, TRUMP'S FLIPPING AND FLOPPING ON ABORTION. THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, OBAMACARE, HE SUDDENLY HAS SEEN THE LIGHT AFTER SAYING HE WAS GOING TO TERMINATE IT. AND AT ONE POINT HE SAID WE'RE GOING TO TERMINATE HEALTH CARE. YEAH, THIS SHOULD BE A PRETTY EASY TARGET. >> THE PROBLEM THAT FOLKS LIKE KARI LAKE AND OBVIOUSLY DONALD TRUMP ARE GOING TO HAVE ON AN ISSUE LIKE ABORTION IS, IF YOU ARE A WOMAN IN AMERICA WHO BELIEVES IN A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO AND PAUSE AND LISTEN TO FLIP-FLOPPING AND SAY, OH, MAYBE ACTUALLY HE SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE. THIS IS THE PRESIDENT THAT GOT ROE V WADE OVERTURNED. THE ISSUE IS LOST, IT'S GONE. DEMOCRATIC VOTERS AND INDEPENDENTS WHO CARE ABOUT THESE ISSUES ARE NOT GOING TO SUDDENLY CHANGE THEIR MIND AND SAY THAT DONALD TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE GOING TO BE GREAT PROPONENTS OF WOMEN'S RIGHT. THAT'S A JOKE. >> YOU GUYS TOUCHED ON THIS EARLIER IN THE SHOW. DONALD TRUMP DID IT, THOSE WORDS. THOSE ARE MAGICAL WORDS. DONALD TRUMP DID IT. >> EVERY CHILD IN AMERICA KNOWS THAT. PEOPLE WHO AREN'T EVEN OF VOTING AGE KNOW THAT. THIS IS ON HIS TOMBSTONE. IT'S INSULTING TO THINK THEY'RE GOING TO CONVINCE VOTERS. LET THEM TRY. >> WE'VE RUN TWO FOCUS GROUPS ON THIS SHOW OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS THAT REALLY SPOKE TO HOW THIS ISSUE ALSO CUTS FOR REPUBLICANS. ONE WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE TRUMPIEST GUY EVER WHO BELIEVED IN ALL THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND THEN ELISE ASKS ABOUT ABORTION. HE SAYS, I HAVE NO RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT A WOMAN DOES WITH HER BODY. AND THEN ONE WE SHOWED THIS PAST WEEK OF SWING VOTERS WHERE A GUY WHO WAS REALLY CONSERVATIVE, LIBERTARIAN SAID, I DON'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT TO DO ANYTHING EFFECTIVELY. NOW THEY'RE TAKING CONTROL OF OUR BODIES? SURE, IT'S A WOMAN'S BODY TODAY. IT WILL BE MY BODY TOMORROW. IT'S NOT JUST DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS. A LOT OF REPUBLICANS AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE LONG IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS PRO LIFE SAY, I'M READY TO GET OFF THE TRAIN. >> I DON'T OFTEN QUOTE THE GROUP FOCUS ON THE FAMILY, BUT I WAS LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF RESEARCH POINTS, ONE FROM FOCUS ON THE FAMILY, ONE FROM A SIMILAR EVANGELICAL INSTITUTE. FOCUS ON THE FAMILY FOUND THAT 4 IN 10 WOMEN WHO HAVE HAD AN ABORTION WERE CHURCHGOERS WHEN THEY ENDED A PREGNANCY. THEY WROTE MANY GO SILENTLY FROM THE CHURCH PEW TO THE ABORTION CLINIC. WOMEN IN THEIR OWN CHURCHES FINDING MORE SUPPORT IN ABORTION CLINICS THAN IN THEIR OWN CHURCHES. 54% OF PEOPLE WHO GET ABORTIONS INCLUDING 13% ARE EVANGELICAL PROTESTANTS. I DON'T THINK THEY KNOW WHO'S IN THEIR OWN MOVEMENT. >> IT IS A PET PEEVE OF MINE WHEN PEOPLE CLAIM THAT ABORTION IS THE SINGULAR TESTING GROUND FOR WHAT KIND OF CHRISTIAN YOU ARE, WHEN, AS I'VE SAID, THAT EVANGELICALS WERE PRO-CHOICE. PRO-CHOICE FROM THE TIME OF JESUS' BIRTH THROUGH THE BREAK UP OF THE EAGLES, THROUGH 1980. >> THAT'S A LONG RUN. I'M NOT A MATHEMATICIAN. >> SPEAKING OF THE EAGLES "THE LONG RUN" IT'S THE ALBUM THAT CAME OUT THEN. >> WOW. >> YOU HAVE NO IDEA. THINK ABOUT THIS. IT'S CRAZY. I TALK TO MY FRIENDS WHO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I SAY, YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR PARENTS WERE IN A SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCH THAT WAS PRO-CHOICE. THEY PASSED RESOLUTIONS AT THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION THAT WERE PRO CHOICE RESOLUTIONS. THEN JERRY FALWELL AND OTHERS GOT TOGETHER AND SAID, IF WE'RE GOING TO BEAT THIS SOUTHERN BAPTIST DEMOCRAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH AN ISSUE THAT WILL PRY EVANGELICALS AWAY AND ALSO CONSERVATIVE CATHOLICS AWAY. SO THEY CAME UP WITH ABORTION. THEN THEY ADDED THE RELIGIOUS ELEMENT TO IT AND SAID THIS IS A GREAT SKIN AGAINST GOD. I'M NOT SAYING THERE AREN'T PEOPLE OF FAITH WHO ARE PRO LIFE. TAKE THE DEATH PENALTY. LET THE BIBLE INFORM YOU ON WAR, ON THE DEATH PENALTY, ON ABORTION. BUT DON'T TELL ME AFTER "THE LONG RUN" WAS
