Make a Hex Tailstock Die Holder TIPS 553 tubalcain mrpete

hello again is tubal-cain your youtube shop teacher and in this video I'm going to show you how to make a dye holder that will go in to the tailstock of your lathe and will hold hexagon dye a small one-inch hexagon dies and if you watched my recent video 5 5 3 where I made these hexagon handles with metric threads right here and I did that on the lathe and since my metric set consists of hexagons dies I really had no decent die holder for that and I struggled just a little bit now I'll put the link up here where you can refer to that other video if you want issue is just a little clip right now on what I'm talking on a real short one and then I'll meet you over at the bench and we'll get started how about that let me show you what I'm talking about before I get started often I do threading like this on the lathe either under power or by hand with a die not single-point threading but with a die and if there's a small 1 inch round button dies I hold the die in the tailstock in this type of die holder that's a homemade one and here's up a pretty nice one that's commercially made it's old enough to where it's made in Japan it's an import but it's a nice one notice they're hollow all the way through so that you can get fairly large stock through it without bottoming out and when I use one and a half inch dies I use this die holder you've seen this another video and this one was made by cleveland company and i had turned it down here at one time so it would fit in a half inch chuck so then what's the problem you say well when I use the a superset metric this is strictly metric all of the dyes are hexagons now I have hundreds and hundreds of round dies in both one inch and one and a half and I do have some hex this is the typical hex holder that you're going to see in these sets again these are all metric so how are you gonna hold something like that you can't fit a into a round hole as I said these are one inch across the flats so they can be held in a one inch hexagon socket and I prefer this is a 12-point or I prefer a six Pointers I didn't have any those would be impact sockets but I do use one of these in a rather crude fashion in that video let's take a real look at a clip of that right now cut away to that alright I'm back do you remember Jim Dedmon and he has a channel check it out but he sent me several of these and he made up handles for some of my Curtin vices but he used that method where he essentially took a socket I don't know if he softened them or not he didn't tell me but slice them off a 6-point rather than a 12 and I don't know if they're pressed in or if they're held in with Loctite or what but that makes a pretty nice job and that's what I consider doing to make one of these well and I also considered sacrificing one of these but you know they've got that collet business on the back and I have several of these probably three or four of them notice that here's a little one in the smaller size I never have use though that holds them this size but anyway that's what I was going to do but then I would have the machine it on this side too so I searched and searched the premises over and over and finally I found an old box of taps and dies and dye holders that my neighbor Tommy you know Tommy the owner of smokey gave that to me when he retired and in there is a foreign-made hexagon die stock that'll hold one answers oh of course it's it's zinc but so is this but my plan here is to amputate the handles turn it round and that'll give me a little bit thicker wall space and that I'm going to insert this into a holder that I make in a fashion similar to Jim Dedmon so you follow what I'm doing now this Japanese one is one and a half inches in diameter kind of surprises me because it was made on another country with one and a half and so was this one for that matter but if I would turn this down clean it up turn it down it's really equal to about the same diameter so I have to start with larger stock so I will start with two inch it's a little bit under two inches that's an odd size but I'm going to start with that and there's you can see there's a lot of machining to do on that but I'm going to begin with and then I'll follow the dimensions of this other than the diameter here will be larger so this isn't really very original at all but to my knowledge there you cannot buy such a thing or I would just go ahead and buy one and not go to all the trouble now watch some view or tell me hey you can get those from so-and-so but I'll start by sawing these off right now I'm not too worried about trying to get this hole lined up with anything because I'm sure that's a metric thread and at some point I'm gonna convert to probably a 1032 but see that's diecast and it's kind of nicely made really so let's sawed off its Milwaukee time now I'll be sure and wear your safety glasses and work safely in the shop if you would and that's what I'm going to use now I need to turn this down round just enough to clean it up I don't really care what diameter just so it's cleaned up I wanted as large as possible you know why it takes so long to make these videos I spent so much time looking for things but my idea here was to hold this on the end of an appropriately sized piece of hexagon stock while I turn it in the lathe well I don't have any hex that size I had some 7/8 but and 3/4 but nothing and five-eighths so that's all I got a hex bolt I got a million bolt so I got in the cold garage and I could not find a bolt the right side with a one-inch head so I don't know what side bolt that has to be but I didn't have it so I took a much larger one and put it in the hexagon collet block and milled it down so that is truly one inch and this will be I guess you would call my mandrel or my holder while I turn that down and I'll I'll put a bearing or something up against this to press it in so that it can't come out as I'm turning let's go over to the closing lathe I took this over to the belt sander and sanded it down a little bit because if it's to wear regular the tool catches on it I think you know that but it's gonna go on like this the bolt but I told you I need something to hold it up against well I made this way back when I was in my prime with a ball bearing for jobs such as this but it's a little too large and I would end up sacrificing part of this so I got out my big old bull nose Center I know it looks like a bit of overkill but I think that will keep it from backing out now let me get the tool sewed up I like to go into fairer detail on how I'm going about setting up a job all right it's the next day and I'm ready to go here bring that bearing up against it tighten the quill to turn it down just enough to clean it up it doesn't matter what the diameter is you that zinc turned real nice no problem at all and I'll just face this off leader or even just Belson that doesn't really matter and we've got an indeterminate amount there but it's a little bit less than one and a half inches which is just fine so I have to turn my attention to the main piece now the original here is three inches long overall and a 2-inch reduction to 1/2 diameter and the head is one inch long so I've already taken the 2 inch stock and faced one end marked it here at 2 inches right there so I'll turn it down to half-inch diameter up to that point now everything from here on out boy those won't show up at all is waste stock and just to be used to hold it in the Chuck so back to the lathe the work is mounted in a big three jaw Chuck I've already got it marked or I scribed it here perhaps you can see the scribe line and I like to use the carriage stop you don't have to but it just allows you to come up to the shoulder each time quite accurately so that's already been preset and it's ready to go you okay this is the last pass you okay I'm within five thousands which is close enough I just want to be near one half inch so it will fit in a Jacob's Chuck I'm at 500 mm which is just fine two inches long now in all of my videos I emphasize order of operations you can vary a little bit from this but this works for me so the next step is to cut off the excess so I only have one inch left I'll do that in the bandsaw off-camera then put it back in the lathe holding it by the shank face it and proceed to bore it out and then I also have to drill a hole all the way through I'll probably do that first I am extremely hesitant to show this operation but sawing off using a porter band machine running in Reverse cuts the cutting off time by tenfold really tenfold and now to face off the body to a length of 1 inch you for now I am drilling 5/16 that's all the larger I think it needs to be I can always open it up at some other time during my life next and before boring I like to go in with several different sizes of n Mel's to a depth of about 9/16 working my way up to about 7/8 or so and it's easier to get the boring bar started this is my sample but the reason I went in there with an end mill first of all as it gives you a flat bottom hole and the secondly it opens up the hole large enough to where I can get in there with the boring bar diameter that I intend to use which is this solid rock machine shop borne bar given to me by Steve Burton so we'll see how that cuts let me get that set up the boring bar is mounted in a Loras holder and it's choked up do not allow any more sticking out of the hole of the necessary it's on center and I'm ready to take a trial cut I guess I forgot to tell you that I'm using the carriage stop as always with this type of operation because I am boring a blind hole well I'm getting close so I'm measuring often I have about 25,000 from the final size and at this point I like to switch to a telescope engage in a micrometer rather than a caliper but of course that's your preference and just creep up on the dimension allowing always for a little flex in the boring bar and taking every other cut without increasing the feed and in the last clip I meant without changing the depth of cut and it's just about going in so I have one or two more light passes and I'll I'm at the dimension I'm Holmes okay three thousands to go so this will be my last pass [Music] starting to go in so I'll use Loctite I'm putting it in backwards right now and you can see that it's just a hair too deep so I will face off a sixteenth or so such that it'll be about flush while I still have it in this setup you know what I have no intentions of turning this down to a smaller size it will remain at 2 inches notice that I just chamfered that corner and I'll chamfer the back 1 2 I'll just polish it up a bit because that gives me about the right thickness there for my set screw a little bit of a burr on the inside and I think I'll open up the hole just a little bit to half inch diameter maybe a eighth inch deeper so there it is I'm just about done and you can see that solid rock boring bar just did a beautiful job didn't it and the zinc slug will fit in there really just nicely so what I'm going to do now is put some Loctite on there and go eat lunch and then come back and drill and tap the final hole for holding the die in place and then the job is done I'm at the Bridgeport and this may be overkill this could be done on any drill press I guess I'm just drilling and tapping a hole there but I start out by having located the work with the center finder and a edge finder it's 2 inches in diameter and I went in about a quarter inch and there's a sinner drill and then I'll drill 5/32 and tap 1024 I don't need to show all of that I'll probably drill a bit of a clearance hole in there too because that's too long of a thread you alright I'm all done and several things I noticed here first of all that not all of the hex knives are the same thickness although this is a pipe thread which would make it a little thicker but they seem to vary just a little bit also the hex dies do not offer the little depression or dimple for a set screw so they simply go in and catch on any one of the flats but they can't turn like the round ones can slip on you if you don't have that set screw in the dimple so here we tighten her down and it's ready to go and now it's part of my arsenal of die holders probably worked out better for me than to try to use this hardened socket and I would have found a 6 pointer not a 12 pointer but it would have worked so there it goes half inch diameter 3 inch long 1 inch 2 inch and about a 5/16 or a 3/8 hole that can always be opened up if necessary ready to go you have all the dimensions in this video if you desire to make one of these you don't need a blueprint or anything like that hope you enjoyed the video at least some of the operations here can be used in other projects that you do in your home shop this is tubal-cain saying so long for now you

Channel: mrpete222

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Keywords: clausing lathe, bridgeport mill, logan lathe, myford lathe, boxford lathe

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Length: 20min 24sec (1224 seconds)

Published: Fri Apr 19 2019