to just makes her experience much better. It me Dan Whitley Jason Becker with the ones talking to her in the back and aunts. >> When you clear it or when you leave the scene where where's mistreated. >> So the ambulance transported her to the good Samaritan we also detailed some pockets, the driver. >> The gentleman who were driven to the firefighter, the revenue and the engines to the scene. >> Yes correct to say his name again Sam Park. See what Sam Park spell it please stand PLC ages la okay. >> What are you and I have never met or not. Said whenever someone to try to thank you Sir. So with regard your. Interaction with Camry and what you actually hurt from her I thought sort of where I want to concentrate as opposed to anything that anybody else may have. >> Said to you about what they believe she might have said OK, OK. Seems to me that your main interaction with her. When the initial call came in to respond to. You know man who was unresponsive in the snow it was after you went back to this station in the engine and then came back to the scene for the purposes of the SEC and 12 that you described that the fair to say correct. And when you came back to the for the section 12, it's also fair to say that the SEC 12 issue was your focus correct correct you have in order in hand correct. The police had it and they gave it to us when we got there. Correct which is what you expected to happen, yes. Your your focus at that point is okay and I don't want to be too you know flip but we can do this the easy where the hard way is that this fair characterization that is one way to put it and you want to do with the easy way. Yes, and you wanted to persuade Karen read that she should want to do it the easy way to correct and after some conversation back and forth where she was initially resistant she eventually agreed, yes all I do not to put words in your hers but to the effect of us will do this the easy corrected get her degree to transport. >> No he stated that the defendants emotional state was all over the place I think that could be argued because she ran over her boyfriend or B it was a coverup she had nothing to do with it she was traumatized that she found him >> Back now to Massachusetts where testimony is underway in the Karen retry the Boston woman is accused of running over her police officer boyfriend John o'keefe after a night of drinking together but Reed says she was simply keep off at a friend's house house that night and that one of the people inside that House is responsible for his death. Let's get you back into court and the jury is hearing from a paramedic who responded to that crime scene. He is under cross examination. ♪ >> Testified that she appeared to be a very distraught. Yes correct going through a lot of emotions. That's one of them. Yes. Yes. Raising a voice at times yes crying at times. I didn't see any actual tears but. Not that I got that type of emotional display. So in terms of only commentary that you heard with regard feelings or questions regarding John o'keefe it was you or it was that the statements that you heard repetitive Lee over and over and over again. >> Is he dead is he dead is he dead is he dead. >> That was some of the things she was saying, yes. >> And don't normally we approach sidebar briefly. >> Well they have a sidebar let me bring in trial attorney law enforcement analyst Andrea Thank you, Andrew for joy getting us as we're listening to this testimony, you know they're emphasizing on cross that Karen Reid said is he dead is he dead is he did she's being repetitive. What is the point of that do you think for this jury. >> Well the really interesting thing about that is the so by us we know has become focal point of this trial. And you've heard the defense argue time and time again, but that there's this bias or conspiracy going on with the police officer and therefore. That they can't be trusted, but what's interesting about what you're saying is that a lot of these initial statements the I hit it. And the other things that that Karen Reid is have lunch with her to say. And for other first responders who don't share in that same conspiracy or this bias that the defense is alleging. So I think the it's going to be much more difficult for and to distance themselves from those allegations and boy are they damning. >> I agree with you great analysis if you're in a standby force please we're going to come back to you after we see some more they're done with the sidebar let's go back in the court for more of the cross. >> So I want you to do things based unit. I think you need the actual. I was going to ask a couple questions for some about it, but it's it's right there for when you need it. Lieutenant Woodbury on your direct examination. You testified a bit and I do want to block the jury hear I'm sorry. You testified a bit we injuries to serve on John o'keefe when you first arrived at scene correct. Yes. He testified about the swollen eye. also tested I the scratch marks that you saw on for correct. I'd like to show you I'm going to approach in a minute to show you what has been Mark and for identification and when I handed to please keep it to yourself. >> And look at it and then look up at me when you're done. >> I'm probably review them for identification directly. >> As with that depicts yes what does it is Mister keeps right arm. >> Because there's that photograph appeared to be a fair and accurate representation. The scratch marks that you observe on January 29th of 2022, Yes. >> That will be our next exhibit and again we'll have to maybe the council before you leave today, we have to figure out how to. Keep everything straight missed it. >> On direct examination of the tournament. With regard the injuries that you described >> I'm sorry I need to see this take a stand. >> Andrea Lewis still with us Andrea let me ask you about those scratches I know that you are law enforcement analyst what about those scratches on the arm how does law enforcement or how should the law enforcement treat something like that when they come upon a victim. >> First of all with an open mind right because at that point when they come across this they don't know what this could be. So the first thing they're going to want to do is not jump to any conclusions. We've heard a lot of different allegation tons in this are little more plausible than others we've heard a dog might have done we've heard that this could be related to the car. You know being hit by a car or so they're going to want to document it preserve the evidence and then get the full story from the other people involved so that they can. >> Seat. >> I'll get These these injuries sit in the full picture. >> And I do wonder if we're going to hear from experts about those injuries because it looks like those marks are pretty deep and it notice they're very parallel is if something consistent made them Mark so we're going to have to wait and see also a bruise on his Injuries that arguably were not made by her running over him with the car if you're defending. >> This client who says this cover about and do it. What are you looking for what is your theme in the case. >> Conspiracy fame and I will tell you I don't think that is a very effective seem. You have to ask yourselves why. Wide of conspiracy. >> Who is are all of these people joining together to to cover up for normally when you have a conspiracy. You have a hand full of people who have joined sources in order to to cover up some type of crime. In order to get up to agree with her to buy the defense's bean you have to believe that all of these people are engaged and and and participating in this conspiracy from people at parties 2 paramedics and firefighters that didn't know this group before hand to what you know it's a very big number of people and and the question I would have is a jury it is is why to me the the stronger thing to attack. It seems like she's put herself in the scene she seems like her statements that solves have put herself. Your knowledge that he was involved in something and accident a collision with him so then you. If I'm the defense on this I attack the intention. Last act was this more negligence was this an accident. She just didn't see him as opposed to. All this big conspiracy and trying to pin it on somebody inside the party. >> And what's amazing to me those the number supporter she has in the conspiracy theory. >> We just saw them outside standing with signs in there. >> Clothing all pink so she has a lot of supporters that have been very vocal about she did not do this. We ne Welcome back to court TV live. I'm Ashley will kind of course honor to be with you let's update you now on a hearing that happened today in Ohio for the defendant Chad doerman he's the man charged with the shooting deaths of his 3 young sons just last year. Today, the judge can firmed with the defense that Dorman has agreed to waive his speedy trial rights what does this mean. Well it means that the July 8th trial date has now been vacated and the judge scheduled a date of August 8 to hear arguments on the defense's motion asking to drop the death penalty against their client. That motion noted 2 experts have already examined Orman and found that he suffered from a severe mental illness. The day he allegedly pointed a loaded rifle at 4 year-old Hunter 7 year-old Clayton and three-year-old chase his own sons and then he pulled the trick or the judge also appointed an expert for this state and set dates for additional experts from both sides to file their reports, we'll continue bringing you updates as the case against Chad dormant develops now, let's get you back to the killer or cover up murder trial for Karen Reid the 43 year-old has pled not guilty to second-degree murder amongst other charges in the death of her police officer boyfriend and we're going back in now for more testimony the state's next witnesses on the stand. This is paramedic and firefighter Whitley. ♪ ♪ >> Daniel with Lee WH it OU one. I'm a paramedic firefighter with the town conferred upon them. I was hired in March of o 6. >> Work with the camp Fire Department I worked with in that the same field in any other capacity front. >> That's I worked for American medical response on the product as and. >> EMT into into the intermediate and a paramedic for 5 years. >> It was I believe November of 2006 that I got that certification. >> In Ewing educational component or recertification process ball. Yes we recertify every 2 years. >> Work hard to basic life support card which is just generally CPR. >> advanced cardiac life support which is acls it's UK around resuscitation is cardiac arrests. Things like things of that nature. >> The tension to a January 2829 2022 we working with the camp Fire Department. >> A 24 hour shift at am to 08:00AM. The pocock station too. The north side of town on South Main Street. Yes, I was assigned to ambulance with Jason Bakker was a field training officer at that point and he was just finishing up his field training. After recently became certified as a paramedic. >> Shortly after 06:00AM were you aware all are dispatching regard to. >> yes we had just returned from a previous call about 05:00AM. >> or the tones go off or actually were in they roam which where we basically it's the living room of a fire station. we have to do is go off for the police to Fairview Road. wondering what was going on there. >> Part curry you dispatched we'll call as well proximity 6.41 to 06:42AM yes. What if anything were you aware of with regard to the park all of the other >> the tones go off between the 2 stations were able to hear what the dispatch. Complaint is what they're going for the came in as believe CPR in and the snow or something to that regard. So we we knew that was a really serious call station want to go into. >> 06:42AM or so what was back home and garden where. >> We were dispatched for a section 12. As far as. Your assignments within the ambulance. With regard to this. I was driving what we call the tech took the lead paramedic on the >> that's just generally how we operate. >> Driving from station to to Fairview What if anything. >> At that point it was snowing pretty heavily. were coming down shot in the street getting ready to take the right on to when nearly he slid off the road making the turn on the Fairview it was snow in that heavily in I don't believe the roads have been really plowed or treated or anything like that for us to so was pretty slippery. >> Number 2 that you and firefighter back door and what if any other vehicles wraparound. >> There was engine 3 which is the district one engine. at least 2 police cruisers and another gray SUV. Kind of further down from where we parked. >> Area on Fairview road what what if anything you sort service far schools there when when you. >> When I got my lieutenant lieutenant Woodbury and Sam Parker, there. There were they were on the engine correct. millennium Zarif and 2 other females at least 2 other females. The other 2 females where were they. Ahead of A few dozen yards ahead of us outside. And were there any other beyond sort of first responders at your just another gray SUV. Maybe in front of maybe one was inside. There with their with their with free. Female Sir. On scene you learn the identity of the patient, correct. Yes. Just to the right of that table right there. When >> when you first arrive on scene with anyone The first person that you talked. >> The time Woodbury and Sam Park. Probably briefly lieutenant Ali often I'm sorry number 10 officer Laney and center. >> The Let me ask you general terms when you Spahn will offer section. All the call that you go. >> Whether it's a section 12 are any call basically I'm Ali talked generally takes over the media patient care versus usually the partner will go over and try to find out background try and not only will especially for a second 12 you want to get. The talk will get which is Jason's The patient story and then I'll get everyone else's story. >> At some You had a conversation with MS. Vehicles on teams are with where is what is that initial policy. >> The initial composite she was very she kept saying I'm. So we we had a second 12 written. that was to take her to the hospital because she made threats against her life, I'm saying. I don't want to I want to live anymore if my husband ties. I want to I want to be alive anymore. Myself and I'm Jason Wu and time Woodbury what kind of like. Well it seemingly more and the lines normal grieving process something traumatic happens to a loved one whether they're going to die it it you we kind of didn't feel like it kind of led to that level section 12 to have a transported to the hospital. So at that point I exited the ambulance, I want to speak rough and I said you know this kind of if we want to be at the hospital get a full of we're going to be more than if my husband dies, I want to die because that seems just like normal grieving things to say. >> All right when he first gets a remember his patient is Karen read the defendant me saying it's just normal grieving at We're in the state of Massachusetts for says Karen Reid he's charged in the death of her boyfriend John o'keefe she was that killer was she the killer rather like the prosecutors claim where she's being framed in a bizarre cover up by the police go back into court now the jury is hearing from a paramedic is testifying about a call received regarding Reed the defendant having a psychological issue. ♪ >> With his cruiser but he came notified me ♪ >> her. >> From that conversation you receive for more information more clarity us. >> Yes office after it set the direction so not what he said so I'm back we were not informed that I'm not sure well so you you can testify to what somebody else. >> Told you you can win there's no objection regarding what MS. Reid But you can testify would anybody else to do so when I say is to sustain that means you have to stop and the the lawyer will ask another question can pay. Thank you. >> Are part of what we have some is it your conversations with the defendant. He described sort of. I running observations human relations. >> Yes, she very upset. She kept asking if there was any chance she kept asking out of it. >> If we knew if I'm the person ambulance one had transported was alive or doesn't. We could not speak to she asked if somebody could be alive in the snow without a for many hours and at that point we're just trying get ready hope my. One transported was still alive we kind of just talked hypothermia cases where you know kids of fallen in rivers submerged for many minutes, maybe even hours and survived with no neurological deficits so. We're just trying to give us some sort of hope. On the way to the hospital that there was a chance that her husband could be alive. >> What if anything you know about sort of the relationship with your patient. >> She identified him as her husband. Many many times. I'm the only thing I recall is is asking if he could have survived without a jacket. >> These conversations that you had with MS. Reid where where today. There are in the back of the ambulance. Referencing you mentioned that's. Firefighter back or what sort of lead are medically tack on this is that correct. Yes. From sort of his own year-old what are some of that. Just a few these possibilities. So for any section 12 our department policy there will be 2 emt's paramedics firefighters during transport at all that's both for our safety and patient safety. So that's that's why it wasn't just 2 emts or paramedics drive into the to the I was in back with Jason and Sam Park was driving. There would be at the South go from crime and in our hands and all of a sudden perking up. She was crying having to take care of kids. I'm saying she couldn't do it. And I was saying. You know I you can do this it's it's not it's not as hard as the team's she Chuck upset I can take care of these they're not my kids and not his kids. That's when I figured out who and what one transported. And I was sent I was saying well it seems like you have a good strong support system. People who came and it was their top can find your husband. I'm just me if I knew Kerry. Roberts, I said I did. She said anybody who knows Kerry. Roberts when say those things. And that kind of. It seems strange to say something like that out after just crying because her husband was dead. When I was just kind of surprised. Realize what did you >> I live in and grew up in the pocket neighborhood of Canton. Mister o'keefe known for taking on his niece and nephew after I'm not I'm not sure positive the relationship believe it was a sister and his brother-in-law passed away and it was people admire them for people to come for. >> All right still with us trial attorney law enforcement analyst Andrea Lewis. >> You know Andrea listening to things like saying many many times my husband, my husband, my husband when all of this is happening to me means will maybe she thought I better say my husband and they're not going to tell me anything is there any significance from your perspective. >> Not really I mean it to the extent there is it could be argued either way right we have a circumstance where both sides seem to be agreeing that she's upset the real question is why is she upset is it an act here in order to throw the police off or is it a genuine emotion because the love of her life, I've just been kelch so I think a lot of these highs and lows that we're seeing her experience of hearing about her experiencing can really go vote phase. I think you we have to look in in between it some of these the lead missions that she's sprinkling in there. That are a little more telling and then that just the references you know to John >> I don't disagree with that tell us your final thoughts if you Today on how the prosecution is doing laying out this case. >> I think they're doing well. I think we all of that are. Could be done differently or maybe. >> All right the strongest points to me. No you go ahead, I'm sorry to interrupt and are the strongest points are I yeah, the strongest points to me are you know are certainly the testimony from the emt's and the other in my case. Who don't have a dog in this fight who are just they're responding to I call that how I think they are prosecutions and the strongest witnesses here first for sure. >> Yeah I agree you see they're just telling what that and what they observed thank you so much to Andrea Lewis for joining me this hour. Coming up more testimony in the killer or cover up child for Karen re stay with us we'll be right Welcome back to court TV live on Ashley will cut thank you so much for joining us we're following 2 high-profile cases this afternoon here on Court TV first in Idaho, self-proclaimed doomsday prophet Chad daybell is back in court for the murders of his first wife and his new wife's 2 children JJ and tylee prosecutors say that daybell and his new bride Lori Vallow used their extreme religious beliefs to justify those killings. In a Massachusetts testimony continues in the Karen re trial. She is accused of killing her police officer boyfriend, Sean o'keefe by hitting him with her car and then leaving him to die in the snow. Today, the jury visited the home of Brian Albert, a fellow Boston police officer. That is the home where keeps body was found in the front yard in the early morning hours of January 29th of 2022 we've heard testimony he was underneath the snow right now the jury is hearing from a paramedic who reached bonded to that crime scene in order to treat Karen read the defendant let's go back in. ♪ >> I moved into the pocket neighborhood, I'm back I'm at the living outside of camp for a few years. Jokic live diagonally across from me. I never had any sort of interaction with him or anything. When I moved in my life was. About 6 months pregnant and I had 2 toddlers so I was pretty busy and I figured he was pretty busy. I never even had a chance to introduce myself or anything before he moved Meadows which is how I kind of figured out. >> I object to this line of cocaine excess sustained next question. >> During a conversation with the defendant that she. It said some things about Cary Grant. >> Will carry Around the corner from me the about section. >> Well allow that next question please. >> Moving back into the neighborhood she would the neighborhood block party and she put out that she would like the fire talk to there on the neighborhood facebook page so I volunteered to bring the fire truck to the neighborhood block party. >> Was MS. Roberts on us you know care of you when you arrive. With reference to when you brought up as far as support system. And putin is Robert and that would have anything to defend it say about objections. >> So stay next question please. >> You know this conversation that you had with the defendants. A long period of time we talked. 2025 minutes. Young much of already testified to what sort of that conversation consist of what was that sort. >> Again we we were just trying to give any support she she was once we're getting closer to the hospital we can't really object. >> So that the tone and tenor so what can you tell us about that that that's admissible wrist unity, go ahead. The >> she would go from being almost despondent. >> Too. Asked me if I knew Kerry. Roberts I the only not been used to describe the snarky objection move to strike a strike them. You transported to the mat for correct. During the transport where you are in relation to misread. So I don't understand. During the transport. I believe we so we what we Tech bench, which is a long bench. the ambulance stretcher and into next to him don't stretchers recalled the C P r C and that's where MS. Reid's out. >> And >> I was in what we call that the airway seat which basically like a captain's chair behind the. During transport during transport it was just me Jason Bakker industry. Mister Reid was asking too. Be able to see John. >> I mean the decision that I would run ahead to see if that was in the realm of possibility. With the emergency room physician, there so I ran I came into they call it the the cold room a good Sam I asked if the wife could see the husband. The yard act asked if she would be upset. If you would be if she would be upset if. She was allowed to or not and I said she's going to be upset, I believe she's going to be upset, you know a ship he was asking if she would get in the way of the resuscitation efforts and I said it's possible. She's very upset. The hospital with station where you go. We have scored are down to the recall of this I call a behavior Hall at the time. About how long was it after you. Hospital that you stay with her. At least 10 minutes. >> Behavior and demeanor during that. >> Objection know he can he can testify to that. He was given the nurses a hard time about options are she was giving the nurses a hard time what have you got into a Johnny having to submit a urine sample. Even the the air attacks went to. I was in a cold to see if she could not have to wear er docs I know she's she's if she's in the cycle, she's a psych patient needs to be in Johnny. at that point there was just an arson we don't usually citation just a single nurse, an attack, so we decided to wait until security and on there. Nothing further at this time, thank you. All right, Christine eadie thank you good afternoon, Sir, Stephen. >> So Mister Whitley a when you showed up. You learn that Karen Reed was the patient that you were to deal with correct correct. It was your expectation that she would be going to the House, correct correct. One of the things that you do when transported to the hospital as you try to get a medical history. general we've got pregnant a medical to pass on to the hospital. So if something were to happen with the patient was unable to. Describe their past medical history it gets passed on to the next caregiver which would be the nurses doctors at the hospital. >> More information is always better than less than. I assume Jason did. You'd have to refer to Jason's report. What we have 5 young. Next we'll show you 2 documents with your pup information one would be Jason's report and you talk about Jason Becker correct correct. The other is a police report from a sergeant your review. >> I'm going to be to the second page that so so let's do morning. But I'm sure in. You've asked for the case and doctors report will give you that first case and why approach you I'm going to hand this to you and I just ask you to look at it silently by yourself, okay and then look up at me when you're done what. You know if you don't The the first report was the first report from my lieutenant. A suspect is report included yes. Having reviewed those documents does that refresh your memory as to their medical history that was taken yes. >> Just multiple score sclerosis. What is multiple sclerosis. Believe it's >> no generative disease where the Mylan shooting of trying to think of the word here but. You know I understand. I'm sure you do it to disease is a disease. That's progressive and and and muscle control things involved in it to win it a progressive that mean. Worse over time as you it's as I understand it. ♪ >> All right coming up the next witness takes the stand another paramedic responded Back now to Massachusetts for the killer or cover up murder trial for Karen Reid just after midnight on January 29th of 2022 prosecutors say Reid hit her boyfriend with her car after dropping him off at a friend's house after a night of drinking the Boston police officer was found dead in front in the front yard of Bryan Alberts House hours later covered in snow. But the defense says something happened inside that house that night that caused o'keeffe's death and then everyone there is now trying to cover it up and blame read instead, let's get you back in the court and the state's next witness is just taking the stand. >> For us and Jason lessons, Becker BC K e a. I'm a firefighter paramedic can Work that found in minutes and social hospital. County ambulance. But 5 years social Approximate 3 years. I was a nursing assistant in the emergency room. Was certified partner. And when did you first receive that sort. 2021. Receiver when you receive that is something. Too many years that something that you have a continuing educational component or research. Con Ed education 1.2 EUR years have to recertify. >> Now Sir if I could turn your attention to a January 28. What what type of ship we're working. ATM to get him going for us so an em on the 28 to 08:00AM I correct. Where you signs. >> I was can't incision to end those 2. >> 2 of anyone else with the signs with you to ambulance to its station 2 on that. >> Annually for fighting early. We have 06:00AM or so you become aware. What if anything are you aware of this far. >> So as you know and down the side of the road. Mitchell dispatch. I believe those upgrade eventually to CPR in progress. >> At some point following an approximate 06:41AM or so that your station. What if anything was that this back. Psych eval a section 12th. In addition to our South and firefighter Whitley unanimous to what if any other vehicles or apparatus. Canton engine 3. And if you know if anyone was on can't connect. Lieutenant Greg Woodbury. Firefighter sandbach. What we're sort we actually is between sort of call volume what if any sort of policy or protocol was there as far as we've got one on a particular call it off. And so on this particular that you just asked. What what sort of future. Firefighter was the driver that point. >> the tax was called so the next patient with the mind. We believe tack on this is that correct correct. It's my report that the right. The first report appears the engines. And that's your reporter with the delays into this dispatch >> So both reports to this witness is there any objection I just take a look at the year's crop. >> A perfect time to welcome my guests for the Sarah criminal defense attorney former prosecutor Jeffrey will always great to have you on what do you make of this testimony from every paramedic Fire Department the person who responded to the crime scene we've heard from a lot of them is this overkill or do you think it's necessary for the state to prove that she murdered her boyfriend. >> Well first of all not a former prosecutor looked never put people in cages but I'll tell you this I think it is necessary because the defense is 100% throwing this on the Police Department is a conspiracy and a brothers in blue and so they need to come out this from the firefighter paramedic perspective as much as they can to try and say that it's not just police officers work come together here they need to try and come out this from a human perspective from the paramedic emt's but the problem is is that what we've seen and we saw that here in Colorado with the Elijah McClain case that the paramedics and firefighters as much as we see in TV shows that there's such rivals when it comes to investigating crimes and working crime scenes. They do work in conjunction with each other so it's going to be the defense's job to tie these 2 professions together to show that they could work in conjunction to work in this conspiracy together and so the prosecution's doing what they can to try and take the focus away from the police and put it on paramedics and firefighters. It's going to be interesting to see what the defense does to tie them all back together. >> And that was my next question and I know you're a criminal defense turning my apologies, Jeffrey, but let me ask you is the defense. What do you try to do with that information to me that for instance, one of the paramedics testified that he felt Karen Reid was acting like a grieving person might act when they find their significant other and are a bunch of Sir snow seemingly deceased and so I think that helps the defense what else do you try to do. >> Well I think you try to play up those paramedics and firefighters, the ones that are responding as appropriate. You know in T type people responding to it and then also you want to play up the ones that are like the guy who was just there who couldn't help himself to keep trying to offer information above and beyond the question he was being a asked to try and say that she was acting crazy or acting aggressive or combat it. There are certain members of this firefighter paramedic teen that are clearly in that camp against her and so they need to show that it need to show those relationships and they all live in this neighborhood together and so that's where the conspiracy comes into play is that they all know each other and the ones that are coming in and acting like human beings and saying that they're seeing a grieving person. Those are the ones that you want to highlight is the ones that aren't necessarily on the side of the conspiracy. But that the other ones may be. >> And Jeffrey, you know it's funny you and I both notice that that sometimes. >> You can't control the witness even though you. >> Asking specific questions they like to say what they want to say all right stay with us we have to squeeze in a short break when we come back though we're Welcome back to court TV live. I'm Ashley Wilke out so honored to be with you. >> Turning back now to the killer or cover up murder trial for Karen Reid she's charged in the death of her police officer boyfriend Sean o'keefe but Reid's defense claims that she's being framed as part of a coverup by o'keeffe's fellow officers on the stand now a paramedic who responded to the crime scene let's go back in the court for more of the direct examination. >> When you arrive in your view what a bank. Is it better for service on that. >> Coming up the street are on slight police lights. It's easy. The fire engine so this is one bus black SUV. >> And where's that you in the ambulance or parking reference to those of the vehicle. I believe are packed. This view is facing towards us with parts so left. What are called the police cruiser was the. And when you first arrive there with anyone is that the speak with when you get when we got the ambulance, I past. Officer Serafin assimilating. And I as the black ice up. And when you walk over the black SUV was it that you observe. A few notes. Of those 2 female side you see one of them and call them that. It is identify where you see that article of clothing that point a friend of the jacket on. Best of the record reflect that medication. The okay. The defendants we wear within the vehicle issue when you first come up to date on that remember she was in the front. That's your seat. Knowledge that you have as far the defendants Reed and her relationship to the earlier Little I think we had gotten briefed that she was the wife of the previous patients. Was that something that she had stated or something that somebody else where does that work. I believe is one of the campus Austin said it. I'm sorry what was that it was one of the Canton police officer is okay. And so when you walk to the car. What is what you say to her what kind of conversations did you have with you. up to the window and introduced myself and just kind of school is going on. And how did your spot. Shoes kind here's the structures crime to kind of tell us a statement she may have made. She didn't mean it because of the current events since you just gone through. Anything she said about what you. She had just CPR husband. She referred to him as her husband as well, yes. This conversation that you had sort of a side of the SUV that with the door window. From our cause to the window. This conversation moved to the correct how long was the conversation that people for the conversation shifted. You're just passed for cyclists section. Finding the jury sort of that process. Just in general terms first as far as what is that process. We going to see me coming to the environment to them. It's like if the patient's cooperate uncooperative. But their demeanor is does any obvious there's none. The kind of talk to them that are poor and has come to this country has questions. >> Because here the protocol would you follow this instance with this report. >> Beyond which indicates a to you. Initially what if what she asking you during the course of your conversation with her once you are. >> Ship that up with better could be dead. >> Once someone wants something more than once. And can you describe the tone of voice when she wasn't. >> The rapid kind of pressure speech she was just a lot of repetitive. As you were speaking with or what if any observations. She had blood on her face and the neck and. What around the mouth and neck So with regard sort of any earlier. Suicidal statement, what if anything did she say in relation. She said she made him because you just want to try to prevent teen has been and she she had no plan on acting on it. To a section 12 all what if anything are you. Respect a vital signs. It's been and situation MS. I just took a pace to regular just been plus issues your heart rate. But for some like if you know it's like they like the Asian. As far as any of those sort of either side of things to talk. The thing to have normal just to our Elaine a little bit I but within the orange. >> Could you please Pete keep your voice of something cute >> with the vital signs are right away was a little high as 98. But it's something he's earned it. >> During the time that you're having this conversation with >> We have here is a calmness and then other parents who did appear agitated because you don't leave us bill. All in all she was cooperate with us. >> Now at some There is a. Correct and Greece to go. >> What I mentioned to basically what is the control this. Unfortunately she does come with those voluntary on Photo. >> They're exciting the process to or is that correct correct eventually she agrees. As far as the transport goes with any one of them back. >> I'm Ian firefighter Whitley. >> And 2 if anyone was driving me and. Firefighter Park. And which hospital that you transport to the streets we take this matter hospital. During the transfer to the hospital and transported. What if anything else. I've been misread say a word. >> She was asking. She talked Still keeps children. Should insurance. She didn't know she built take care of them. She says for sure about that. Yes, she's worried about who would take care of children if he was. >> Did she say about cell phone records. She added that she could take care of our own. Other parts of the nation from the earlier out of Cuba for that personal relationship so. >> She was a condom, a husband. >> Robinson misreading this conversation, what if anything to say. >> She has said that they had gotten into an argument. >> Those she was sad because that was the last thing she said to him was the argument but she didn't go into detail on but there was about or what was said. >> Now with regard. We're speaking about a sort of the children what if any. >> All right we do need to take a break when we come back we're goin Welcome back. We're in the high-profile trial against defendant Karen read she's charged with the murder of her boyfriend John o'keefe who was found dead in the snow outside his Philip fellow police officers, some in 2022. >> On the stand now we're going to take you back and we left off this is a paramedic who responded to the scene let's go back in for more of his direct examination. >> The other female party that misread was initially with in the vehicle when you first arrive did you know that was. >> skyrockets. Station with missed 3. >> On that day January 29th, what if anything she say about this from an objection. >> So stay tuned. >> I mean he sort of medical questions that are asked. From the medical questions what if a question that we have someone with relation to a consumption about all that. >> We'll probably part of the second suspect I asked if she had taken any. Drugs or alcohol and she tonight at that point. >> Observations that you testified to earlier in the party. And by that I mean streets demeanor. That changed at all during the course of your interaction with their lives back. >> Munir as and. >> For the first question I'm trying to break so with regards to her demeanor. Throughout the course of your interaction with their houses. >> Shoot shoes, so she was and she would be calm and then eventually shooed kinda get agitated and repetitive questions. >> A person she indicated was any questions that you ask your partner with your vote. She was asking if he was dead. Could you that could be done just that could have been him. Was that something that you asked one server or more that. It wasn't a lot it was more of could could be be dead could be dead. A firefighter just my own clarification you testified earlier First arrived. Correct suicide of state. Reference to the suicidal statements she made prior to >> Alright cross-examination. Good afternoon Sir afternoon. >> I want to go back one. Use of testimony that you offer on the record your mission if I may >> you had a response to a question. The medical history and your questions to news really whether she should have. >> We all. >> To drink I believe your interest today was she denied having break out the home the night before. >> Has that at the time that shoes. She could just I don't know she check out onto the floor vote at that time I guess we Koch said no >> I just you know you need to keep your voices are speaking directly to the microphone so so she had any drugs or alcohol and she said enough. >> Ocean. Bush taken any drugs or alcohol, she said no. I just assumed that last few For the reason why we're there. And I'm sure she had a cold days prior, but it's the reason why we're there. >> Was it your understanding that the 2 of you have an understanding of what you are asked Cho. >> Jackson moves. Yeah, so the objection sustained its strict and asked the question differently misty unity. >> All right so. With regard to more intense and your state of mind when you are asking that question and you are asking. We had you taken any drugs alcohol within the last few hours that's what you meant to ask. >> Jefferson to send a objection sustained. What did your specific CLIA to and I ask a patient if any drugs or alcohol and talk about it that point time. But now before 2 of the 4 not. Days before weeks before OK so this is at 06:40AM in the morning, correct. Did you just smell any alcohol on her at that time I didn't know. >> You would agree that she did tell you at some point that she had alcohol the night before correct. This is no which today in a 3rd of 2024. And this happened back in January on January 29th of 2022, correct. Interview by a trooper Michael Proctor on February 14 of 2022 do recall that. Or call me Loomis. February 14th of 2022 would have been a little bit more than 2 weeks after January 29th of 2022 correct. Your memory of. Karen Reid told you about whether she had any had anything to drink tonight for would have been much better on February 14th of 2022 when you were talking to a trooper Michael Proctor then it would be too that correct. Your memory doesn't get better over time correct. Certain circumstances and with regard to weather. Had indicated. That she took any drugs you're told to Procter and she said that she had not correct. Correct. With regard to whether she had have alcohol the night before are you told to Proctor on February 14th of 2022. Which she did consume alcohol all last night correct. >> Jackson you're going to see it I found this please bring that with you please. >> Sidebar perfect time to bring back in Jeffrey will Jeffrey give us your final thoughts as you're watching this unfold. >> It's wonderful impeachment is what it is and its second time I've seen the defense to great impeachment. There is a way to do it, you lock somebody into an answer and then you go ahead and set them up for impeaching them your memory was better back then than it is now and then you bring out the document you're going to impeach them with that's why the prosecution is objecting. They don't want to see their witness impeach this is a clear point they think they have the defendant locked in the lying about having alcohol the night before. And the defense has it in black and white that she told this witness that she had a dri
