Luger vs 1911

hey Hickok 45 all nice po8 Luger and brought to us today by this gun by 1911 both really classy classic firearms right in the history of pistols and of firearms does it get much better am i lucky or what I've got a World War two 1911 on the table a world war two POA Luger on the table that nuff said right I'm the luckiest man on the planet to be able to have these two firearms here that went to war and we're brung back right they were brought back and they are really nice specimens they're not perfect at all by any means they show use and wear and character they both have a little character about them so pretty cool pretty cool so what we're gonna do is just kind of talk about the differences between these two and maybe what I would prefer to have is I had to choose one of those two I'm not gonna go into a 30 40 minute video about discussion about what it was like to be a soldier would you rather have had one of these if you're in a foxhole or the trenches of World War one and then we're working yeah we could write a four or five books of course comparing these two pistols but since they're both iconic of course and we happen to have both of them in our possession one of the mine one of them borrowed I well let's just talk about the differences between these two and some of them my observations and then feel free to chime in with your observations you might have one or both of these you might have fired one or both of these extensively and you know you can lend your expertise your experience what you think about them I fired both of them of course I fired the 1911 extensively and I fired the po8 of moderate a moderate amount okay so I don't have as much experience with it I've never owned one of my own so well first of all again we do want to in a way honor both of them they're they're both really interesting you could almost say masterpieces of the machinery there they're both obviously used were used extensively and lots of different situations that you know the po8 goes back you know designed in the late 1890s and then of course manufactured up through the 1940s and used in World War 1 World War two and of course the 1911 kind of the same timeframe initially you know it was I guess John Browning started the designs and I think the late 1890s did me and then and then of course finalized in this format to some extent 1911 this one is actually an a1 so 1924 but you know they're essentially the same so you know they both have a lot of history and of course the 1911 still carries on that is one major difference isn't it so don't really want to bash either one but will bash the the po8 a little bit in that regard I don't know of anybody carrying the Luger the po8 or a replica of it or a design for their carry gun I don't know of any manufacturers who have been scrambling around and copying it for the USPS a competitors are IDPA competitors you know I don't see a huge drive for for anybody to copy this this design can we say the same for the 1911 no it's it's being copied it's being manufactured by everybody isn't it and it's still a wide use today even in the military still and in competition I say I started to say millions I don't know if that's too big a number but tens of thousands of people still actually carry the 1911 civilians you know with their carry permits so that firearm lives on forever in that design that that drop barrel link system you know lockup style that that's pretty much the basis for most semi automatics today I guess you could say yes we got to give the nod to the old 1911 for that dough into mr. John Browning even though this is a really ingenious design and it's fascinating to work with it that toggle lock system it's really interesting for a empty magnet it it's just fascinating I say what this is reminds me of it reminds me of comparing a colt single-action to ZF Schofield Smith & Wesson I'm fascinated by the Schofield and the Smith & Wesson the old frontier revolvers but I guess the the not still goes to the Colt single-action in terms of maybe a more durable firearm but just the way this thing operates is is so interesting and the that close tolerances it's a marvel and machinery it really is probably would not hold up as well in a really dirty environment you know although it is so tight that it's not as likely to get as much dirt in it just by the sheer design take the magazine out but that's one of the the knocks on it is probably not going to stand up as well in a muddy trench and that kind of thing let's take a couple of shots and see if it will actually fire before we bad matter too much how's that okay the po8 this was made by Mauser the 1939 model got a loaded magazine in it so we pull up on the toggle charge the first round we see there's a round in the chamber I can tell by the chamber indicator they're loaded chamber indicator okay I think they copied that from regroup pretty funny huh huh Oh what shall we try to hit huh let's see I think I've discovered the sights are pretty much on we have our first hang-up with it there we go try that flowerpot well I'll be darned we've been really fortunate up to now if I had any hang-ups with it that magazine acting up and let's Winchester white box same stuff with used in the original video with the back yeah like I said maybe it's more fragile I try to put one on that orange one I guess that's empty yeah the mag didn't hold the slide back for the talks but toggle back alright well in its defense we've really not having much trouble like that but I guess it heard me bad-mouthing it right it really good so see that was that magazine I'll remember that that's uh that's not the original magazine but where is that was that the one say if three six five six no that is that is the original magazine okay this is a Mauser magazine but it's not the original it's not marked okay so a little little issue there it is considered to be one that would not withstand a lot of dirt and a lot of crud and because of the close tolerances but it's an ingenious design it's not as quick to take down if you saw me take it down I struggle more than I should have but it does involve a little bit more than the 1911 in terms of takedown they both are fun to shoot they're both of course firearms that everybody would like to own put it that way but again this design it's not necessarily the ideal design for a carry piece here's a couple of things are going comically speaking that I don't like about as well as I do the 1911 for example sure she's clear again okay the safety you got ahold of it let's say okay thumb safety not exactly and now I give a longer thumb granted but still thanks yeah there it is uh okay let's get the safety off and get our grip reacquired there so you've got that issue whereas with the 1911 you know it's it's hard to hard to beat you know you can break it up and back and forth if you have a long thumb like I do yeah same with the magazine release the empty magazine okay I want to just release the mag well I you know I've got to change grips or use this hand and get up there on that so probably designed so you wouldn't accidentally release the magazine but still not exactly ICSD friendly ii the least and i did struggle with a breakdown of it of course a little bit so the the the contour the grip and everything even though Ruger copied that I don't necessarily like it a lot of people brag about the the way it points when you grab it it's okay but I don't know I'm not crazy about that I prefer the feel of the 1911 even even though I don't like the hum you know in this version of it it feels better than that to make this does let's take a couple shots with this baby we don't want to collect the 1911 years back on some old hardball forgot about that heavy trigger pretty nice good old slabsides the workhorse right there the 1911 which which brings up another topic this firearm the POA the Luger it really wasn't meant to be a workhorse you hear that word in association with the the 1911 a lot because we wanted as many soldiers to have the 1911 as we could possibly outfit and so it was not uncommon to see an infantryman you know with the 1911 in battle it's a it's a fighting handgun it was designed to be that's what was designed for not just something for only officers to carry around and look pretty and be proud of the Luger the po8 in some ways was just kind of a badge of honor a badge of authority you know that an officer would have and in most cases as I understand so you get a little bit of difference there in purpose I guess so that's another thing to factor in of course it maybe wasn't as important for this to be a a workhorse like the old 1911 that would withstand the mud and grit and keep on trucking now this gun is made to looser tolerances I think most people would agree and some might even criticize it for that not not I I never really have it's never really bothered me I have competed in USPSA with 1911's that were losing rattle hey they still got shoot me I shoot better than I can shoot so there are still people who pick one up that's a little loose you know I almost want to laugh you know they probably couldn't hit that tombstone there with with any handgun and they're complaining about it being loose I shouldn't say that but but anyway they do just fine even if they get loose tolerances now this the gun does seem accurate now I'm gonna shoot it again I'm gonna give it another chance and then one thing I wanted to point out too is that the magazine in this firearm it's very awkward too low let's try the other magazine you can't just stick the rounds in well this one you can answer we try it another one okay don't our experimental earlier case well the magazine it's hard to load it does get hard you got this little button that little button kills your thumb the spring is extremely tight it is really hard to push it down oh I'll tell you after I load one of these I do now I have to change hands in the middle here because it song is about ripped off trying to get that loaded let me load the other since we had little malfunction let's give it another chance here this is one Chester white box but in the original video who's doing fine with it oh man [Music] FOMA the same concept that the bruegger uses on some of their their magazines but it works a lot better the route ouch hurts I get another round in there without taking all the skin off my thumb okay my comparison now it's that hard to nineteen loving happiness to load I normally do I don't even use a speed loader on these they just slide in there beautifully just beautifully make trouble oh okay now we're not comparing 45 with nine-millimeter by the way if you saw my video on this the the this firearm was actually submitted to the trials in the United States in 1906 1907 and we were looking at firearms okay and evaluating so Luger made up two or more of these in 45 ACP and submitted so we could have actually been carrying this thing around the last 50 years in 45 ACP so so in that sense we're not comparing 9 with the 45 that that that old argument it never never goes away does it we're mainly looking at the design of the firearms alright let's shoot this thing a little more here let's put it into holster [Music] and say you had to load that magazine in hurry up get in trouble with put it on I'll go ahead and charge the chamber put it on safe and put it in this do all holster I have okay now let's say I needed to pull it out and she kind of in a hurry let me try that so I pull it out and I got but there we go okay I went backwards let me try that again it's on safe okay I've got to pull it out take the safety off I can't just hear me go kind of all right works okay once you get shooting and while we've got her hot let's do it again put one in the chamber safety is on that's that magazine it was acting up afford if it doesn't like to be fully loaded [Music] okay so a little awkward to work on the controls with any kind of I don't know smoothness or speed that's kind of my my opinion whereas this baby let's load him up put around the chamber put it on safe put it in the holster and then let's just pull it out shoot this watermelon well you got again safety on safety on just a lot more convenient to use and in terms of reloading works a lot better I can pop that next round magazine in there slide down you know keep at it okay 1911 you notice the this does not have a slide lock either so you know if the magazine doesn't hold it back you're gonna have you know you're just gonna have to work with the photographer okay so some of that's nitpicky of course nitpicky stuff and I'm talking about I realize but both guns have a lot of history and both book guns are very interesting they're I'd say I would say designed by geniuses you know in the firearms world but the video eight looking at the history is a little different from John Browning's design because John Browning pretty much designed this from the inception you know they went through have an evolution you know through the early over the first decade I guess you'd say of the 1900s more than more so than any other time he may have started on that in the late eighteen 1890s but but but it was his baby this is baby this is a firearm that was based on the what the porch art c-93 a firearm that was already around that had this toggle length toggle lock system on it which comes from Maxim the machine gun and it was kind of a quirky gun a bigger gun and there weren't a lot of them made and it had his problems so the Luger of the po8 is more or less Lugar's fix of that c-93 he just kind of made it better no he did I think he made it a lot better but that's that's what you've got so he is taking a design and then improving upon it and trying to make maybe the best of it you know a lot of ways so it's an iconic firearm though I mean it is just a conic firearm this is the Mauser version that said earlier pretty pretty cool let's take just a couple more shots of each one and we'll wrap it up I'm going to use this magazine again on this one and see you [ __ ] and have a good luck with this again I mean these these are really cool guns I'm privileged to be able to shoot them especially since they're they're not even reproductions they were there this one was in the Pacific a minesweeper I've given you the history on that before I fell it brought it back he tried to scratch off he was afraid to get in trouble this old guy and he scratched that off a little bit and and you know it wasn't a big deal a lot of people brought him back and got by with it I think I've told you that story before my father said they were they were almost threatened you know to the point where he was afraid to try to bring his back but I wish he had he said they didn't even check their bags or anything he could have brought back five or six he said and so the history of these it's pretty cool pretty cool they are just inanimate objects pieces of steel plastic or wood have no minds of their own of course several countries adopted well both of these firearms but you know the po8 was adopted by the swiss and in the early years 1901 1900 long in there so they're used in different countries and carried again this was mostly something carried by officers but really neat as I tell you even if you you would never carry something like this or you wouldn't even trust it enough to depend on it to protect your life it's a fascinating firearm the way it functions it really I wouldn't mind having one they're very expensive they're really neat I really need I may have to have one in the collection one day so so my criticism of it is just in comparison with other other firearms mostly let's try it yeah okay got to shoot them both one more time for you some of you may never get a chance to shoot a Luger so as hard as it is as much as I hate to do it I'm gonna do it for you that's just the kind of friend I am I'll do it for you let's shoot it one-handed since there's really designed that way actually feels better I think with one hand yeah shoots well still get a little bit of a hang-up there though okay okay so the Mauser po8 the Luger all right let's try let's finish this guy off now I shouldn't say it out loud I've had this for several years and every time we bring it out fire I don't think we've ever had a malfunction with it and it's it's been through through the war [Music] is that beautiful or what good old 1911 what a pretty gun I really you know it's not a setup you know to make the Luger look bad the malfunction it really has not been malfunctioning whether to spend the ones doing fine so but B does it may you never know about Winchester white box so two beautiful firearms both with history that take us back into the 1930s and 40s and when both of these were made the BOE in 1939 this one in the early 40s and both carried during World War two and they both still work and fun to shoot pretty cool do I even have to say it life really is good [Music]

Channel: hickok45

Views: 4,122,660

Rating: 4.8635664 out of 5

Keywords: Luger, P08, 1911, 1911A1, WWII, WWI, .45ACP, 9mm, Parabellum

Id: PymVKz29jjU

Length: 24min 9sec (1449 seconds)

Published: Fri Sep 20 2013