LIFEWEAVER WORST HERO EVER? — Plat Chat OVERWATCH 176

let me know Awards episode 176 and we got the whole crew here we got Avril Costa Avast and we have none other than Solomon producing yeah hands-free and the bars are changing everything oh my God this is the best day ever times like this we're big time now we're big time now we are producer on the over show I don't think we've ever I've ever seen someone so excited to get a demotion in their job Johnny went from host producer and we're like we're removing you from producer and John it's like yeah [Applause] I mean this is just glorious honestly this is we've been we've been waiting to make it out of the hood for so long the hood being Johnny producing so you know honestly honestly I I feel I feel like you know already into the basketball parallels I feel like it's been the off season and we recruited some new star player to our team I'm like oh I can't wait to see what we got cooking I can't wait to see what this team can do with uh Solomon as a producer we can build some fun segments we already got some real clean stuff in store for you on this episode so I'm I'm just ecstatic I mean I'm delighted it's been what nine months of me trying to change topic bars and speaking at the same time I I've been I've been holding this show down guys it's really dragged on oh dude well it was almost the off season so I was like I want to get Solomon involved in the off season because I almost feel bad like doing the overseas All Season that's that's almost like ill that yeah that's that's that's awful but anyway here we are part episode 176 week one of the OverWatch league is behind us now for the 2023 season and we got off to a pretty good start uh but before we get into the action and all the matches the results everything that happened um and even talking about maybe the studio the show uh because there's a lot to talk about do you want to get into the actual game because we do have a new hero being played I I say played a little bit but into that it's yeah I mean it's it's it's almost like a cameo like sometimes to see like a life Weaver Cameo and uh it's a new hero being played um so yeah life Weaver not getting the most play time so far it's the the most recent hero in the awards game um and I gotta say we're pretty disappointed guys I mean we got custom we got our last on two support players I don't know what the main role but as a support player it changes uh roll the dice every day you know are you a life we remain a life we're a Believer no way no no okay so let's refer to them as their real name it's wife leaver it's not life Weaver please yeah I wish I could but if if I started saying that I'd stayed on the main broadcast and something about I'd be fired okay right you can't say wife I mean Dustin said run a train on the back line so I guess we're not we're not on Disney anymore it's fine I mean everything's potion outside it's all acceptable I already I don't even think you gotta notice for that like I don't even think anyone likes sent them a message dude I immediately turned it to a meme on the stream we have an emote now in 7 TV called run a train and it's it's my face on a train on my street oh my God so yeah going into the action why flavor didn't see a lot of play time how disappointed over guys on a scale of one to ten it's a new hero everyone's hype is hell because it's you know it looks awesome you know there's flowers it's just an incredible hero and no play time how disappointed are we one two I'll go first I'm I'm extremely excited I'm actually ecstatic about that you know why because I'm sick of or every new hero being Giga busted and dominating The Meta for once we get a hero release and it's just like not the case I'm like yeah thank God thank God and the newest hero isn't just like [ __ ] on the mirror yes let's go more of that please yeah they were like we've heard you guys saying that we're like trying to just like sell in-game purchases trying to sell the battle pass we're gonna go the opposite direction we're gonna release a character that absolutely sucks take that community and he really is like the only time we saw him this entire weekend was to just disrespect Vegas Eternal he technically has a 100 map win rate right now but he's just so bad that it only works against the Vegas eternal yeah does that say more about the hero or Vegas Eternal they could I'd rather not say anything I should not say I think it's both realistically a little bit of column a little bit of column B yeah so we saw RuPaul come out with the hero here uh on ilios um and it actually kind of made sense like we were in The Green Room we were like you want to play this here on why can't you get a little pedal platform of these high grounds why would it make sense here when you the ash can coach gun anyways and mercy could just it doesn't make sense the only reason they need a pedal platform is for Life Weaver yeah but if you play like an oh no like the all accounts they didn't because they have to play a live Weaver oh God oh God what if they'd played life Weaver Anna and not Mercy think about that then they put show wrong on Anna because cholong has played some honor in the past or maybe they keep RuPaul on the on the honor which is probably the better pick and have Joe wrong play Life Weaver and then you could be in pedal platforms and then when you dive it's like the Rainforest Cafe you put the tree block the dive and then like that that's pretty that's pretty solid across the board then that maybe that's a good comp yeah it's a terrible Hero guys it's a terrible hero it's truly truly awful yeah yeah one of the worst Heroes we've seen in the game so can I copy about that he's really fun to play like he is actually a fun character to play just everything about his numbers and the size of his planet of a hitbox is just makes him terrible everyone pull up the custard Jaws Duo result everyone put the custom Dodge dual result of custard I was like I saw I'm I'm in just troll people's games and I started Anna we went Owen for to the point that I was in this game whether we value with Pokemon I was there with Punk and Hunter in a game we went through DPS in 23 seconds we had a push with three minutes and 23 seconds we were winning this game we're like I'm just gonna go live Weaver again we ended up losing this game just because of how bad this hero is like it just all fell apart because you can't do anything like what do you do with the pedal platform I love that you do block your own loss with your Blackboard I'm trying to use his utility and it just never is useful wait you actually lost this game you got three minutes 23 seconds at a time bank and you lost and at the end of it you see Punk uh go LLY I don't think life will resume it's just so bad so let's talk about the kit a little bit because I mean there's some utility there it's a fun hero but like lifeweaver doesn't do anything yeah like the the hero doesn't do anything like the abilities it doesn't give you any sustain advantage in any team fight whatsoever you can save someone but like who cares about really pulling someone if they're good players they won't you know overextend in a way like great job so so what do we do do we just need to add like another ability because it's so clear it needs like a new ability or something it's the reason he's bad because of the numbers being undertuned or is it because his abilities are just fundamentally not good regardless of numbers I I personally don't think I actually don't think it's actually purely his abilities being bad I think he has the Shaquille O'Neal size hitbox so like it's insanely easy like legitimately if you take off four inches from light blueberries height and then like reduce their size like they're a lot more survival right there's a problem that he dies to also there's a problem that he just doesn't do a lot when he's alive anyway I think it's both I think it's both I think life Weaver is like a super punishable support character which is like because you never want to support character that's bigger than your front line this is literally the size of dragon Queen so it's like incredibly easy to like get picks on them and like you it's tough to off angle and like because I view life Uber was like uh as one of those Heroes theoretically and like when I when the Mind Palace is like yeah you can choose to be like a Frontline supporter or like someone that you go to a flank with and you let your flanker like a slow hit scan like take really aggressive fights and then you can like pull them out and you're pocket them and like setting up pedals and stuff but the problem is when you're on a flank with a life Weaver like you're so slow you have no survivability and you're humongous so like it's really easy for you to take a lot of damage and have to back right so it's just like I think it's a combination of the hitbox and the abilities and numbers and everything across the board are just severely undertuned like lifeweeper does nothing better than anybody and is worth a specific in other aspects I also think it it kind of gives me shades of you remember when we played Moira with the amphibos for a little bit of like it's this really cool big utility moment within feeble orb and it can be very clutch just like the life grip right but now that you don't have the damage or or the healing or what like you didn't have the damage all it's like what do I do I just run around and I like left click on some people and then I suck people but neither of those really feel like meaningful healing or damage so it doesn't feel like you're doing anything in the game I think life Weaver has that as well like your pedal platform is interesting but not very useful 99 of the time your life group is on a 20 second cooldown so you don't want to use it that much so it does it just sort of feels like you're not really adding anything to the game and you don't have like a you know like an antibiotic grenade right that you throw out every like 10-15 seconds and try and find some value in some way right like it doesn't feel like you're ever getting value out of this kit so as much as he has like that like fun moments plus he's undertuned with his numbers plus as ever says you literally just die to anyone who looks at you like it's just everything combines together to make it feel bad and I think an important thing to say is like with the hitbox I think we've heard like Rumblings and people have said like a hitbox change isn't as simple as a numbers change and I think that's what the developers are struggling with is they can't just right now be like okay hot fix I think the hitbox has changed I think it's a lot more difficult than that so I think we will see that change in the future but it just can't happen as rapidly as difficult how like you mean you mean they can't just go into Photoshop and drag the rectangle down a little bit yeah they don't have that one little like guys yeah drop that down and I also think his wings need to are you serious so like I'm joking but are you serious or I'm trying I believe it's a lot more difficult to do a hitbox change than it is like any of these other changes because you think about there's like a lot of things that go into that right like I'm not saying it's impossible and they you know they've done it with other characters like Jungle Queen but it's not something that you can just like hot fix into the game I'd imagine there's also a lot of like animations and physics and interactions that go into like changing hitbox because like you have to scale the character model with the hitbox right you can't give you can't give like your Shack size character a like normal size hitbox but then their model is the same size because then you could just be shooting them and not doing any damage yeah so you just you just you just drag the rectangle down for all of them yeah just drag it all yeah all rectangles drag them down that's like no here's no history you select all layers and drag it all down same time like what's the problem uh graphic design and game design there it is like come on Team Four what they never use paint 3D before come on Christ I'm using this one is that one no they want to be they'd be using [ __ ] you know like the free that's like the free 3D Photoshop or whatever right uh I the thing I'm the most worried about is that little straight up just like messed with the numbers they're like hmm the hero isn't good guys what do we need we gotta we gotta bump bump these numbers up these are rookie numbers and they just take like 200 health and make it like 300 health they were like it's a big hitbox and so it means you're gonna take more damage so we will give them more Health to compensate and then you'll have like a LifeWay with 300 health I think the problem is that's just lame like it's just straight up blamed to play as a character that has good damage numbers and good health numbers the hero still doesn't do anything like there's no skill ability here there's no bionade to like make a big difference there's no like I don't know I'm just worried about the only way to make this hero better in its current form is to just buff the numbers which we know is gonna end in a bad way yeah he'll get really strong like I think I figured out one thing it sounds like he doesn't have offensive utility like it's pure defensive utility right there's no because byronate you can use it both ways and even when you think about Mercy you can you have offensive utility just through the blue beam even though like it's it's just bluebeam which is actually pretty strong and depending on how you use it the Moira has like skill orb so I think he's one of the few Heroes that it feels like offensively there's very little there I think that's maybe why it feels less impactful because it's almost all purely defensive um and life grip I've heard this explain because I was also in group up we talked about life Weaver and those guys have been slamming life we've been ranked as well and one of the comments was like life grip is like a worse res because with live you have to be constantly paying attention to your teammates and you have to preempt when they're going to feed and like prevent them from feeding whereas res you kind of just correct the mistake after they made the mistake is kind of how they explain it they're like kind of that's that does kind of make a lot of sense to me and that sort of Center is even feels like a better ability of Mercy feels like a better hero in that way though we could make the argument that maybe we should just remove res anyways and thus we don't have to have them make a difference pretty Jaws on the podcast about Mercy I can I can take that role I hate it I'm just complaining about res I just don't think I think Resurrection ability is in a FPS or like kind of lame but what if her life weeper if we want to give more defensive more offensive utility what about this what if we give the the grip we can reverse the polarity so like it's like a you can launch your teammates but they get a bubble but they get a bubble that's even more troll you you think you want to thank people then you can take High Ground even easier with them you put your cast up on High Ground you're like there you go yeah or or I'm like this cast says [ __ ] you your life with your [ __ ] and then I'm like yeah we'll watch this idiot and then I just push him into the enemy team yeah I'm just saying you know I would just I think there's a lot of like there's some potential options abilities you guys are you guys are all [ __ ] ready for this one what if you could put the pedal platform on a wall you want to push people okay holy [ __ ] holy if Orcs Must Die you just have the [ __ ] pressure plate they're trying to attack you you just push them off that's so smart I actually love that that would be really funny they're platforming sideways like they attacked and they just like poop they just push them off yeah see it's a good idea that's a really good that's actually a really fun I actually I think that's an even regardless of the troll I think being able to put the platform sideways like just to move no because also Imagine like you set up for a dive and instead of moving upwards you move them to the side you you push your appeal for your team to decide yeah um damage if you're like crash like the enemy into a wall or something oh we could smash them yeah that would be fine here's something talks no damage but you stun them that's toxic I don't think you should be able to stun them too because then we're just we're getting two we're literally getting too dangerous at that point we're getting that's getting too troll if we can stun and move them against their will it should just be one or the other you can't have them all hey we can't release the [ __ ] nuclear bomb the Oppenheimer of [ __ ] CC and OverWatch I don't know I gotta go going back to a vast tradition I kind of like that being able to push people people always complain about this idea what the [ __ ] are you doing launching that is a kind of interesting idea because we haven't like life Weaver's kit is based around repositioning your teammates why shouldn't we expand their kit to make it where they're more viable to reposition your teammates and like useful ways like you have the option to put some up with a bubble for it for a dive or an engage right you have someone and it still can work as appeal ability because theoretically you could just move them a different direction like I think it's just it should be like it's like Gmod you can just like just move them [ __ ] around you know like this is not just set I'm sure that's way harder to do though I imagine than just like a simple pool I bet the mechanics of that are like hard to actually make Also let's pull this down to earth for just a second um the the one thing that is a big problem with the pool as well if someone uses a Mobility uh ability while they're being pulled it like cancels it and that like [ __ ] it up like I would say 50 of the time when I try and grab someone like especially like your tank right when you think your Winston's at like 50 Health you grab him he tries to Winston jump at the same time or like it's happened a lot with like Diva you saw it in the clip that I did with that Hanzo where it's like they do it it just breaks the bubble and then they come out and they potentially in a worse spot than they were like a second ago so I I think it's kind of clunky in that aspect as well here's what blizzard are actually going to do all memes aside this is actually what I'm gonna do for the hero I'm just guessing but this is just based on what they've what I think they normally do they'll reduce the hitbox eventually I don't know how complex that is I'll give I'll give you a benefit of the doubt there's God maybe there's complex however long it takes in the reducer to I don't know what size make it's making the normal support size it's not like a brick maybe like close to an Anna and then they'll up his healing rate by like 50 or by healing rate I don't mean like the amount you heal just the speed it charges if you just increase the speed it charges it will feel much better and more impactful because I think the actual healing numbers are pretty low and that was one of the complaints um and then maybe add a small heel into the life grip as well probably what'll happen I can I can I can tell you that uh another thing that I've talked to about people is that the healing numbers are not as low as people think they are the problem is if for him to do those healing numbers he just doesn't do that as well so if you buff his healing I think he goes into the number one healing spot pretty quickly but if you would buff it anymore and I think that's as well that because the tree does a lot of [ __ ] healing if you think about actually over the duration I'm sure he does do a lot of healing but we saw an OverWatch league right yeah it's more healing it doesn't mean anything like usually it doesn't save anyone from dying you can't direct that healing into one person like it's just the new tree ultimate is a tree now gains your ability so now the tree can just start life gripping and putting down pedals and [ __ ] yeah where it just starts throwing random life waiver abilities yeah I think the tree is also very underwhelming like from what we've seen this tree is like the old that's another compounding Factor why life Weaver I don't think is like a very is like the tree is cool but the healing is currently negligible it's very you can easily burn people through it it does not save anyone from like burst damage and on top of that like like you know it that realistically it doesn't provide any other utility other than a heel thing like it's it's cool that I can block stuff but we really haven't seen it like you know there's not really a lot of situations where that's like super useful um and so the main point of it is healing and the healing like Casa said is like not enough and it's not enough to save you from burst damage it really should deal damage it should be like a poison ivy tree so just like enemy heroes are near near it just like start itching and they're just like holy [ __ ] like this [ __ ] poison ivy I can't get it offer it was like a duel like maybe if it was like enemies inside the radius take damage and then Heroes inside of it get healed like your allies get healed you know what if you locked people inside of it if you get caught in the tree yeah it's like it's the gulag all of a sudden it's like you know it's not a great idea but it would be fun I could see it as the best die Vault ever the best counter dive old ever being created is like you dive then you're included and then everyone gets healed I think I think when you put the tree down one of your allies can go into it like a Mech in Titanfall 2 and then you just pilot the tree around like an ant and Lord of the Rings you could do like tree smash people honestly the more I debate about life Weaver the more I'm like this character is like gonna be so insanely [ __ ] hard to balance yeah it is because they've built they probably got they got they were cooking the lab for too long with this one like they were really cooking and they like created some [ __ ] some interesting ideas and abilities but I legitimately think this is gonna be so because this isn't like a simplest numbers tweaks for Life Weaver there's like so many cascading aspects of his kit that need to be addressed from like his literal physical design to his utility to his old like there's so I think blizzard will just touch the numbers I'm pretty sure they'll just move numbers I don't think I I feel like we've entered you know the very sad Zone with life Weaver well I would honestly oh I have a serious Edition Costa I have a serious addition as well but you guys okay all right I would honestly oh my God you guys might take this I would honestly consider giving life Weaver uh because he he said box is so big and can take so much damage just give him a second Dash like two charges of dashboard as well you can Dash back his Dash needs to be better he it needs to make him more survivable currently like you dash you get 25 health and you're like well [ __ ] that doesn't help me yeah 25 is nothing make it 50 or something yeah like make it like 50 insane 40 and you give him two two charges I agree with Johnny and like you need to like start like there needs to be a way for him to live like the problem that I think they're gonna have is I think he's probably never going to be a strong hero with his camera kit he's never gonna be but I think he'll have a niche right and that like you he's the symmetra right of the support lineup and I think that's fine can I as you're done with your Siri I have I'm coming this I know I'm coming up serious one too uh did you say it already no well like that's that wasn't like exactly what I was trying to say like my point is like you have this like Niche and like not be perfect I just think they need to be careful about adding abilities I think they just keep tweaking his numbers until people play it stop playing them like I think you reduce his hitbox see how that makes him feel maybe buff is Dash in the way that we just talk see how that makes him feel and then just like slowly feel him out until he becomes good if you start adding too many things you change his hitbox and you give him another ability or you do all these things he might become just like gigger overpowered we'll get to see a massive power creep and then all of a sudden he'll just be the best hero in the game I have also a serious comment to make uh but it's going to be toxic so apologies my toxic serious comment is that I don't think every single hero needs to be viable or good yeah and I'm perfectly okay with this guy just sucking because we got 30 something Heroes rather not all of them are going to be good some of them are just gonna be bad and maybe that's your reality we live in and we're just accepted it was actually interesting because we were talking to Jake about this actually recently and he was saying like something is nice about OverWatch 2 is it feels like you can play any hero and it doesn't feel like a throw I think the problem with that is like I agree that lifeweaver doesn't need to be good and doesn't need to be viable but it can't be here right now if you have a life waiver on your team your chance of winning uh goes down dramatically compared to the other team are there really no throw Heroes at the moment really like if you look at the rest of the roster that there aren't many throw through Heroes obviously some are better than others but like life Weaver is by far the worst hero to play in the game right now and I think he probably has like a 35 win rate under Jose tweeted about getting gm1 on tour then I was like wait a minute wait a minute I mean torb is not torb is really good against like dive Heroes you know like yeah which is like storm has not bad like he's not great but he's not bad I would still feel like to me I would still I still would think like symmetra has to be close to that level just because it's so many Niche opportunities where Sim is good but I think Sim is a lot better at OverWatch 2 in the space that she has now than she used to be I believe I I don't know if this is still true but I remember talking to a developer about this in the past and they said that symmetra actually has one of the most uh one of the highest unmatched uh uh win rates because but the difference is people play her in the right situations right like you only play her when she's really good like you play her and lijiang things yeah there's a lot many people just like playing her in situations where she's not good so yeah she's not a Great Hero but when people do play her it's usually for the right reason also when people are playing for the right reasons I think in ranked in particular there's really hard for ranked teams to deal with the team that does a proper simtp so like those stats are you know they're they're stats they obviously don't necessarily add the context to that but like I still think so much generally I would prefer not to get a symmetra on my team on every map you know like if I were to take a holistic I'd be like okay there are a lot of Maps where I would not necessarily want to sim but it's true she's a lot more useful now like she is generally the roster has been updated to be a lot more generalist perhaps so I still think I still think like that that is definitely true but lifeweaver is possibly out of all the supports the least currently so so two dashes and smaller head box is where we landed that would be a starting point perhaps yeah I think that's a startup that's a good starting point and then maybe pushing the people's adjustment maybe sideways Hawks must die too in there a little bit as well tree dealing damage dude I'm telling you that sideways placing pedal is actually such a fun idea I I would love for the pedal I'm sending an email to everyone right now I think it would be simple in my Gmail right now I actually think there's so much there for like the pedal to be like you could do more with the pedal like a place on different walls like I think that would actually be super and same thing with the grip I think just wait until I put out the idea you can place on the ceiling as well you crush people with it oh no that's the root instead of it killing them they get stuck they get compressed between it and they can't so you just be able to like retract it to push it like endlessly too just like retract pushes you have to it has just like a trigger it's just gonna be a place and a trigger you know you know the best little bit you find the Sombra Trends located and you just put the pedal right next to it and just like Orcs Must Die somebody into the into the off the map that would be so sweet amazing yeah we fixed life Weaver guys we fixed life we were a good job that we did on the Pod we'll forward this to the developers with our incredible uh relationships with them uh all right so I want to get into uh dealers League results from this past week uh it was week one of the awards league but before we get to the result just like First Impressions how does it feel what's the Vibes because I was in the studio in week one and it was just like great Vibes honestly The Vibes were unbelievable it was so good we had a great time on the desk the matches were good no take issues so I'm just having a good time how did you guys feel watching it from your different kind of uh experiences you know I've asked you know watch sporting of course code streaming and uh Costa coming into the studio of Avril doing the uh the APAC broadcast how do you guys feel about it I slept well you know when when you guys are in studio I was sleeping and I just got to say I sleep well it was good I mean I enjoyed it I think this is actually probably the least also for opening week the least amount of production issues that was ever occurred uh I think that the studio looked really nice thank you rocket league for that uh we appreciate that heavily we appreciate it I mean it only sold for us and also thank you YouTube money for the studio uh we got 4K finally on the main broadcast 4K which I did I didn't think that was ever gonna [ __ ] happen honestly so I'm like okay fantastic so I was I was I was like oh this is nice and the viewership was like pretty fine most of the most of the time like it was not bad oh whoa okay how can you say viewership was pretty fine when we said it like minimum 80k for most matches that's pretty fine that's isn't that like incredible honestly that's pretty incredible I I I I'm not saying I don't think 100K is incredible personally I would say it in the first season just to feel good I would want to like hover above at least 60 All Season yeah sure I mean I could be above 80. I just view it from like a monetization perspective like 100k to me like more successful Esports to 100K average all the time and they earn nothing from that so like what does 100K mean to us it's nice it's good to have I'm just saying that like season you know the point being is like I think it's pretty good like it's pretty solid like I don't think it's anything incredible like incredible would be like oh we're at 200k plus all the time you know pretty good it's like 100k I I I guess my uh like I agree with you that it's like yeah in a perfect world would be sitting at 200k but like literally no other Esports sits at 200k but Valerian doesn't even get like obviously if you combine all their code streams maybe and they're the biggest esport in the world right now for who's doing like regular games so it's like I mean and they're not making money either it's all subsidized so it's all like the point being is like I guess don't get me wrong I think it's really successful I'm just saying that like I I'm just saying in the grants give me things I guess I should contextualize it it's very good for OverWatch yeah it was an extremely good opening weekend viewership wise for OverWatch league and like I was very happy with it um minimal issues across that I think everything went great you know like you know it was good matches were fun we had a very diverse pretty diverse opening meta matches were actually relatively speaking bad because we had like seven three O's in a row yeah but I still had fun watching them so that's fair not all of them I literally I could tell I did not enjoy watching Vegas but like all most of them yeah I'm looking at these Port charts and it's uh sorry I'll let you go abroad but it says on esport charge we peaked at a hundred and twelve thousand and it says our average viewers this week was 78 and a half thousand yeah that's that's pretty good you know that's very that's very solid for you know what people the Doom and Gloom people were experiencing I think it's very very solid I think that's the type of viewership that LCS gets on Twitch so like people should be happy people should be happy about that especially when you consider last year we sat at like 30k sorry yeah four I'm gonna let you finish uh for um for a single platform yeah I mean like yeah when you I mean Jesus Christ even I watch contenders which I don't think is on is I think it's on both YouTube and twitch but contenders is now separate to OverWatch League they get to do put stuff they're actually beating VCT like Valor and I even on on Twitch now okay like Scott said if you start including all the coaching stuff it's a different story but like it's like I've taken screenshots where I'm like both channels alive contenders n a and vctna and containers and they have small viewership on Twitch I'm like what the [ __ ] going on so we got that going for us I think people still have to like get their expectations up a bit like they have to get rolling a bit be like oh this is pretty good you know I think it's a step in the right direction obviously the elephant in the room is that it is absolutely inflated by drops right that's why Collegiate and contenders have so many people right like people are just there for the drops but like yeah exactly what you can get it's a great way to get people into the esport right and this is something we've been asking for the OverWatch league for a long time it's just like give people a reason to watch and you can tell like off the bat they give you a reason to watch people but people will come we're far from the only esport that does drops literally every esport just does drops down so it's like it's so normal so who cares I mean every esport does it um but back to this talk about the studio instead of like yeah it's brilliant this is like the first season we're doing regular studio since season starter season three before cover like pre-covered season three right yeah we had a studio this studio is like miles above what we had in season three season three was one camera in one on one desk in front of one green screen yeah that was it so yeah there's Pizza by Miles and you've got you know the the LED screens are the size the telestrations Jesus [ __ ] Christ Johnny you're you should have been on the line yeah we didn't have a real good approach to that one um Danny looks like your child in this like he's like the perspective is just so good looks like a child for sure yeah uh so yeah I mean it all looks apparently like it's a massive upgrade I think the the feedback from even the player coaches side is they all love it as well uh yeah they were like oh like we're being taken seriously to some extent because you know they they do this [ __ ] for a living like uh 12 hours a day practicing and stuff and so they're like oh this is cool like you know we actually this feels like the Esports given the the respect to the players and all that that they deserve as well not that I felt like they were being disrespected but you know what I mean like I mean it feels that it doesn't feel like it's a joke like afterthought of a product now it feels like there's at least some level of like we care about the product that is going on yeah No Yeah a hundred percent um yeah to touch more on the drop thing I feel I I sort of feel like the ball is in the overstep themed Court like they can entirely dictate um you know how proactive they want to do when it comes to drops this year and actually use that as a momentum use that to you know keep people interested in the broadcast to people interested in OverWatch because I don't think it's going to be to anyone's surprise that as people get rewarded with their drops the viewership is going to continue to drop like oh I got my skin I'm out of here um and I don't think that's surprising to anyone it's the reality of the situation right now but as long as like the devs are like yeah let's throw in a skin here let's throw in a skin there like that that could really benefit the entire Esports scene so I feel like the ball is really in their court and how much how many skins do they want to invest in the scene to make sure that like people pay attention and like watch these broadcast anything like you can do the the why doesn't every team not have its own little Banner thing you know why do you not get a title for every single team um you know the charms as well the golden charms that that all kind of got like not leaked but like that's been teased before but realistically I don't want to get too heavily into monetization talk so I'm gonna I'm Gonna Keep a little on this one I promise but like what I think the goal should be from the team four side working with your watch league is there should be so much stuff in the OverWatch League shop to buy that you actually can't like Get Enough free tokens from watching to buy it all that would actually incentivize people to watch more just maximize watching but also [ __ ] I might actually have to pay some money because I don't know what the sort of Revenue back to the teams is from anything bought from the watch League sword um given that most people are paying for that through tokens that they farmed and not tokens that they bought I don't know how that translates sales revenue wise if you get if you change my drafts yeah that most owners seem pretty dissatisfied with their oh return I I want great I think I think drops is fine like you need viewer incentives that's important view incentives is important I agree with that however like if you just give everything away for free you're also not making any money so you have to have something where where people are spending some money onto on the AL tokens and I think the only healthy way to do that is to have like so much good stuff in the shop that you actually can't watch enough to get it all for free you can get someone for free can't get all for free I wouldn't be surprised as well if they have a lot of those things ready to go into the shop but you kind of want to drip feed it to the audience as well you don't want to put like I agree that you want it to have so many token things that they can buy that it's almost impossible to get it just from free tokens but they they want people to buy stuff now but then they'll keep releasing new stuff that people feel like they need to get or they need to buy which will give them reasons to buy tokens and stuff like that so okay I'd be surprised if that stuff is coming but also don't want to drop that on day one I think to not that I have an issue with token Farmers just going AFK but if you want to build engagement to just like have people not be AFK all the time even if you want to be okay it's like here's additional ways you can earn more tokens during the broadcast like I don't know maybe a QR code pops up mid broadcast I want to say mid broadcast like it could be at the end of a game doesn't have to be disruptive and there's you could maybe get more tokens or whatever like it's just stuff that keeps the viewer engaged so that they're not just literally like turning on the stream minimizing it and just walking away or doing some of the [ __ ] like you have to actually pay attention to the stream and pay attention to the broadcast and certain things might happen and you could get some additional tokens of the people that really want more tokens that'll actually make them more engaged and then they'll pay more attention to the broadcast and you're trying to convert people from just being casual into token 5 and then token Farmers into real viewers so you can have some steps in between to get their engagement up things I feel I feel like I feel like they're cooking they they have something right here they just need to figure out ways to activate the viewers how to keep people on the broadcast and just like make the most of it because I feel like yeah I could sit in like a a meeting or like meetings all week and just like think about ways to utilize this system in so many ways and to make it really attractive for the viewers how to get people involved I I feel like just drip fitting people through the broadcast that's just like the first step but there are so many ways you could reiterate on this and to get people involved and um in all these ways that you mentioned abroad so I feel like they sort of have like Lighting in a bottle here and they just need to find a way to like how do we make the most out of this so yeah all right well I'm glad the Vibes are good other Vibes are good it's honestly such a huge relief you remember those episodes in January holy [ __ ] we were so negative we were just I bring one more good vibe yeah one more good vibe it's like a 50 50 overload Apec Apec doesn't have a desk which sucks but whatever but there's land matches fellas is that only for now I'm asking for clarification isn't that only for the contender the Korean contenders teams and the teams based like the like Soul infernal and Seoul Dynasty or am I missed I think don't quote me on this because maybe I'm just [ __ ] hoping right now this is my opium if Dallas plays one of the Soul teams they should always also do it online does Dallas play Guangzhou but they did that online which I think to be fair like okay if Guangzhou gonna do it online making Dallas Texas right correct the Chinese teams are not in Korea yeah but the teams that are in Korea which are the two Soul teams and Dallas is there any it's just those three in Korea I'm pretty sure Shanghai are playing out of Shanghai I actually don't I don't know that 100 but every year for Shanghai since 2020 they've been in Shanghai in their own facilities in Zaza land with their team they're fine they're not at the same time like I don't know like knitties is cutting back everything to do with OverWatch and OverWatch league so I wouldn't be surprised of but then again it's like if they get rid of the the facility what are they going to do pay money to do the same thing and saw you you're paying money either way wow look that's popping off dude there's a lot of things there's a lot of people the what's the Studio's name again it's like the wdg wgg studio yeah it's the sixth Studio it's very nice so it's a tiny little Studio but it's very quaint but it's it's a nice it's a nice Studio yeah so the the day Hana uh Cinema or something we went there yeah it's good but it's a cool little place wait what what they cooking what are they cooking Seoul Korea Seoul Korea Seoul Korea Seoul Korea [ __ ] jerseys so I I guess we'll find out this coming week actually because Soul infernal uh are playing Dallas fuel yeah so they better both be there yeah so yeah you'd hope so um but nevertheless I mean this Soul rivalry is really cool so hope to see more matches like these I don't know how many times they're actually playing each other this year but hope to see more of this um before we get into the impact matches I want to start with the the western region matches and I we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna reiterate on this we're gonna find ways to make it better but I kind of want to do like a a smaller kind of recap of each week and just hit on the biggest things each week so we got this like you know the good the bad the ugly kind of thing but I want to OverWatch it I want to OverWatch is it that's a word to just like instead of the classic good bad ugly someone in chat someone on Reddit they'll figure out a way to make it sound way cooler um and way sooner more than I ever could so if you have suggestions drop them in the comments down below but yes I wanted to start off with the good the good themes of this past week so the um without question the best team we saw this past week what's the Atlanta ring um okay okay yeah I mean we'll we'll get there later there's there's a different team I don't know which one you said but we'll get there later um the Atlanta Reign they kicked off uh an incredible week here really with two really good wins for them one of which uh was against the San Francisco shock um the other one against New York Excelsior I mean okay yeah good job you beat the new sells here but this match right here I guess the San Francisco shock I really feel like this was a statement win uh for the Atlanta terrain shock really couldn't keep up at all in this one so as we all kind of put Atlanta Reign number one in our rankings uh I'm exactly chat once um excuse me how do we feel about that rain are they about this Unstoppable Force this season by far the best team we have I like The Vibes of the Atlanta rain team [Laughter] actually that's fair we we were allowed to have see okay you're allowed to do Vibes based stuff within the first week after week one all five days predictions are done okay they're only allowed in the preseason slash early week because that's all you have to go off of is only doing Vibes based predictions for the whole year oh for the whole year you're gonna do Vibes I mean I'd be impressed I mean if you can do eye rankings I'd be impressed I'd be pretty impressed if it's like semi-accurate too we should honestly do by rankings on the flashlight the rain just look kind of Unstoppable right now are they like by Far and Away the the best team in the region you guys think in this matter for sure I think when you uh I don't know this is like the chicken and egg situation I don't know if they're good because we're in a genre matter or whether they're good because they force the storm emitter and everyone else has to play like this is the Han bin slash Dallas fuel forcing brawls Arya stuff from last year and the year before that but now's lip and Sombra because I feel like we see some somber in APAC but we see way more dive way more Sombra in n a um and when you have the world's best Sombra on Atlanta Reign I mean you're gonna Farm you were gonna destroy and lip is by far like he is just so much better than everyone else I don't know I mean I think it's a customer you go first actually let me keep Gathering my thumb uh yeah I think right now you can definitely say they're the best in the world uh they were playing somber matters even in the problem when somebody wasn't even that uh viable and that's probably one of the reasons that they ended up falling like slightly short in my opinion they weren't willing to play that strong Cassidy but for right now I think they look good they have a deep roster if they ever need to go to it like Hawk and vigilante just like you know waiting to come off the bench I think is is enormous for them so I I think they are the most proven team to be number one like I feel like we know what we're going to expect and that's the difficulty when you talk about the other teams we were ranking highly like uh you know the San Francisco shock and the Hong Kong spark is like how good are these teams really and obviously we're getting mixed results uh from just the first weekend yeah I mean also I still think that like the two the two teams that like right now you can make the argument is like obviously the Houston Outlaws would be the other team that's in this conversation and obviously they both played very good opponents here and both played a weaker opponent so like their strength of schedule so far has been like I would say relatively equivalent uh and I would say that like Outlaws I would say that like Outlaws you know they had some they had like they were played a slightly different style than Reign too that I'd be interested to see this because they put a lot more Genji then rain did like a lot more Genji and it looked really good so I don't know I'm I I don't know if there's like a definitive I do think that like with how strong the Sombra meta currently is and also in particular God that the Anna the Anna brigitta with Geo Fielder is so nasty for them he was crazy because chio's best hero might honestly be the brigitta at times um even though chios Lucio is [ __ ] crazy but like hey he kind of reminds me like churong in terms of like he's actually such an insanely good Lucio player but he's also so [ __ ] good at brigitta and like getting the max value out of the kit um and then like both of them when you look at like you know when you see like whether it be shoe on Anna or yield or Anna it's like you're seeing like both two like very very high caliber honor players that get the most out of their kit in different ways even so it's hard it's it's really hard to see like for me like which one I definitively would have above I think currently with the strength of Sombra you would probably have the rain simply because of lip but I I wondered I'd like to see theoretically how their matchup would go where you ran like this maybe even like mirrors but like Pelican plays more like Genji into them right or something like that like it would be it would be interesting to see how that would go I think Genji's that good though like I don't know actually I'm not sure I know I think Genji actually does my Sombra I don't I don't know I really don't know because Genji it's an interesting spot because like Sombra is really really good at fighting those flankers right we've seen sambas all the time this was like the opening move for most of these somber plays like we get a hack on a tracer and we get a kill and we move off that right like we get that opening hack I I really don't know like how I'm not totally certain but I feel like with the caliber of Genji play that's available and with the strength of like a nanoblade in this comp like I do I don't think a nano blade is like especially because a lot of teams are playing there's a lot of counters but like with good Winston Dives you can absorb most of the cooldowns like sleep and like flail and such right so I would be interested to see the matchup I think overall I'd probably favor the I think the Sombra play is probably the best I think current better I think Trace is too good too because if you're going yeah why are you going Trace against you or you're going Genji sombros the question and if you're if you're shelving the Tracer I think that's a mistake and this is actually one area that I underestimated the Houston Outlaws on this is in my brain uh in terms of pre-season I was like man Pelican it's not going to be elite enough on the trace and he was actually a lot better than I thought so I got to give him credit there he played he actually played super well there so um I I fully slept on Pelicans Tracer that I'll admit and uh kind of proved me wrong sorry Houston I mean you you're in a Winston Middle with Fearless uh one of the perceived weaknesses that I thought wasn't actually weakness at all so it makes a lot of sense why Houston's good yeah they um Houston Outlaws did actually play um you know some some Genji uh stuff and and other Heroes as well um we saw a pelican flicks over to Genji at times against the Valiant for example instead of Tracer um Reaper at times as well so it seems like Houston Outlaws are definitely playing uh a few more other Heroes then like trolling versus Valiant or is that like a real thing is not Valiant I mean I I would was that their version of the life waiver RuPaul or what I don't I don't think that's really necessarily like a troll per se but I do agree that it's like obviously a much weaker team I mean I would currently in my Minds I currently have Valiant sitting around New York levels right of so like and Rain didn't necessarily troll against them so that's just how I personally view it I don't think New York has impressed me outside of like a couple key moments they have looked good they look solid but I think Valiant has looked a lot better than I expected at times um like the Gap like I think there's going to be an interesting lower mid-table uh Team Revolution this year in terms of like how the teams shake up but I I don't know we'll see we'll see how the end I think rain is the safe pick rain is currently a safe pick because the Sombra seems to be firmly cemented as like you can always run this armor pretty safe plus they have like a pretty cool rotation where they can do Hawk to play Diva on maps or they want to play Diva I think it's a lot more effective currently than like what they're doing to gargoyle uh on Houston um so and donghack I think who is in my opinion I would had I was skeptical about Dong hack coming in as well because I was like I don't know how strong he's gonna be like his problem he like said moments but like we'll see and I think his Winston was really good during their matches this weekend too so like that was another weakness for Reign where I was kind of worried about it like how they're gonna rotate it and it seemed to be pretty cemented up so I mean admittedly I thought that guy was potentially even going to be a liability but he's he's much better than that so I'll give him credit there yeah I I feel like I personally almost have to apologize to uh Chio and fielder a little bit because we've always hailed them as like great players and a lot of people have been like their Elite like they're the top of the game whatever I was always just like yeah but are they like really the best though like our Chio and fielder like really like the best support players in the world I wasn't quite able to like truly go there but it like the performances we saw in week one from them I'm just like wow that they're they're different they're different so that's a that's a you problem honestly I've been a Fielder I'm on the field of train for a long time so yeah that's why I had to apologize I'm glad you end up to it yeah I had to go out of my way to you know go out there and you know get get you know fall to the ground um yeah I'm sorry um moving on the Houston Outlaws then they're the other fantastic looking team so far uh starting off 2-0 this weekend as you said about they had one match uh against yeah like gladiers where they just like completely stomped they're like letters 3-0 and then like they played against the Valiant there so who knows so much trolling what it was do you feel like this is kind of like we shouldn't get too hyped just yet because they are playing in a Winston meta this is kind of like the best composition they might like ever play um or do you like fully buy into the hype they're just like yeah this team is legit like I I have full complete trust in this team regardless of the meta I think even if this team is at that worst right like they're probably a top five like in in any meta right like what you you have to agree this is probably the best matter that Houston allies can get absolutely like happy can play Sombra you can Flex over the hit scan Pelican shown uh with the addition of Tracer like he can really Flex anything like yeah it's the best meta for Houston Outlaws especially because Violet can play Brig to Lucio he can go to double Flex like they have probably the best five player roster right now to play absolutely everything and I think not enough people were giving these players the respect they deserve going into this season because like these are all players that we would have said uh Championship players on every roster right remember like Pelicans Rookie of the Year Fearless just won Finals MVP shoe Violet we can't sing the Praises of these guys enough over the last couple of years and happy remember how excited everyone got when happy originally went to the Gladiators where they just like acquired happy and everyone was like bro what the [ __ ] like I feel like for some reason going into the season maybe just because of how stacked the entire West was we were a little down on them but I don't know I think this team will be top five in in almost any matter I think we just got Pro-Am build honestly I think if it wasn't for that no because I doubted them before Pro-Am but that was on more of like can like what is their overall flexibility like a meta wise gonna be and also they're still essentially retaining the same coaching staff right and it's not like their coaching staff was bad like junk book obviously with this team had had good results with previous iterations of the roster of like Houston but it never had quite lived up to like their like where people thought they could potentially get to like they never really felt like they felt like there's always gaps in that play and like there was gaps and like some of the and also in the sort of like their macro plays and like stuff how they took and then they've added some extra flexibility issues potentially with like when we have like okay like how does happy Pelican do that rotation right consistently like how is that gonna work Pelican I think I agree I was like I was maybe a little down on the Pelican Tracer and additionally like you know like where did like with Fearless coming in then they got a second tank with gargoyle so like I still don't know how gargle is gonna fit into this roster in terms of that's my biggest worry flexibility um because what we've seen so far hasn't been particularly necessarily impressive from gargle like it hasn't been like anything that's like from what you have it's a pretty Stark difference I think for one Fearless didn't gargles in terms of like how the team is playing not that they're playing like bad or like significantly worse I just think it's not quite the same tempo uh so yeah I I think overall a lot of my fears were kind of paved over a bit but I still need to see a long term you have to remind people as well like the the rankings we did that was an end of season ranking not a pre-season ranking yeah exactly it's not a lot of a week one or stage early stage so like I think those criticisms are fair um and so right now but right now if we were to do a power ranking not an end of season ranking Houston would be right up there because this is like a really good metaphor then doesn't need a play because you can just permaforce Winston it seems um yeah no doubt that they are one of the top teams currently yeah now it seems fine because obviously this is the meta they're in I think my biggest concern with the Outlaws going into this season was that you looked at a team like Dallas view last year and they pretty much didn't play Fearless at all he saw some play um especially during the June Joe's summer yeah Jim Jones I think it was they tried to do this like double Flex support Winston composition and we saw Fearless play some but for the most part tell us fuel they just like played hanbin because off tank was the way to go and so Han bin saw most of the play time and so going into this season I guess you know my brain was a bit corrupted where I was like well how much playtime Fearless gonna see it looks great now because we're in a main tank Winston kind of meta and you know even if even if we go to Wrecking Ball we got the reinert like Houston upload is going to be fine they're gonna be great but my big concern is the off tank roll and like when you stack up gargoyle against other off tanks in their kind of tier that's where my concern is but there's no doubt right now Houston's uh incredible so we're funnily enough they are actually playing each other in a couple of weeks we got May 12th we got Houston Outlaws taking on the Atlanta rain so that's just week three so that's gonna be a bang of a matchup and um next week as well we have okay I made it yeah we know we got Atlanta gladiers um Atlanta rain versus LA gladiers uh next week and week two so that's gonna be a bang or a matchup though as well so I like I like the fact that we have like close matches between the bottom teams we're like oh Valiant versus New York who knows well let's get their first win but then we also have like Houston versus Atlanta and we're like holy [ __ ] this is like two amazing teams going head-to-head so um it feels like we have a lot of competition this year moving on from the two great teams uh moving on to the next one are you worried about the San Francisco shock they did win one game against against the throne to defiant in a five-map banger to start off the season but then they took a brutal 3-0 loss against the Atlanta range you just like fall fell flat on their face in this matchup right here are we overreacting or do we feel like they're starting slow they're starting slow guys no worries no concern don't don't panic just yet why would there be needed panic I mean because I think some of us expected them to kind of go Toe to Toe with Atlanta rain and then instead they got absolutely [ __ ] I don't think it's so I don't think it's a surprise that maybe like a 3-1 or something like that but I don't think it's a huge surprise um I mean there's more is uh let's we can get straight into the copium here because the the excuse Camp is let's begin swing right rev it up you're all started I'll start the copium uh apparently there's more housing issues still so I don't know what's going on there maybe they're like apparently they're playing from hotels that's kind of whack I didn't see that yeah what was the housing issue I don't know like there's a problem that they weren't ready right like the the they got them here just so they're obviously okay and Andy Miller posted it by the way I've gotten some insight this Andy Miller posted a tweet being like we've had the we have no practice no scrims zero dollars blah blah he posted like he posted a tweet like that and then Albert came on and said they've been scribbing for like a week now so it's not like we've had no practice it's a little they've had less practice than a lot of the top teams though they've apparently had less practice because of travel stuff than a lot of the less teams going into week one so there is that copy pasta going around though I I saw that just briefly about all their excuses uh just like oh they say shoes oh ping issues uh housing issues and just like at some point like come on guys like [ __ ] can we play some OverWatch the case like they're they're not looking they're realistically I think shock I think the problem is we're dealing with like we're dealing with the culture War right now we're dealing with that's true we're dealing with a culture War currently and it's like the shock we have the shock simps which is like us essentially um is is and then people that are anti-establishment that are like guys I will never go the Australians proper they have lip proper the fraud on this team like I will never allow myself to ever believe the shock is good they are too over hyped one like realistically okay let's say even half of their issues are true they beat Toronto defiant in a very close game mind you and I think the fight kind of through um and also they got stopped by a team that have been had much more consistent housing like a very very everyone always agreed with like a top three guaranteed team in our buyers so like and they still had good moments during it they still had good moments it's just clear they were very raw comparatively so I don't I don't think anyone should be worried after week one when they got they had a good showing but they you know got got 3-0 by the Reign versus a team that and then also one a close map five versus another very solid team you know like I don't think that which granted that team through but you know I think that like that's like it's not there's there's not a one one result after that week it's not a bad week you know it's not that bad of a week I don't think a knee jerk I think like is you can't like unless you're some Reddit contrary there's no way you need joke that's like oh no shocker done for that kind of deal like I don't even we're not even beginning to talk about Toronto yet or at least we're starting to get in there I don't even think Toronto's O2 start is like disastrous either so like you can't you can't like knee jerk off for one week even if you're Toronto with a pretty bad start I wouldn't even knee-joke that so I don't think it's an issue it's week one there's a bunch of really good teams close lot to me in my eyes if you're liking this top six to eight teams of North America in particular but like because if I was stacked and solidified town is early losses and like losses it seems like are should not be catastrophic because like there are going to be teams that are really good that are still going to lose you know this year they're like and I don't think it makes them necessarily bad teams because of how stacked the top level of teams are right like where it's just someone has to win someone has to lose you know and sometimes it could just be like this is this team showed up better on the match day right like there there's a there's a lot of different there's a lot of different things that go into this well I think shock in particular on the rain match which I think is the more important match when you view their trajectory it's clear that the tap like they have a very good raw core it was just not nearly coordinated enough comparatively to rain rain was like much better as a unit in that match and also Vin dime was feeding his brains out so well that's the question I want to ask are you worried about this backline I think it's too early to say that and I also think that like overall you should expect like a Finn Vin dyn backline to be pretty good so I'm not worried about that after essentially like you know a kind of a week weekend in particular by Van dime realistically like I don't think that's that big of a deal you know okay I I don't know like I I I rated shock like second I think of my power rankings and I'm like not confident in that it going after one week like I I think there's still gonna be a great team the quality is just the caliber of plays they have it's like the same as all these other top end teams but they're starting very poor so far and that that just raises concern so it's like I think if I was like really do it realistically putting like a if I could adjust it after one week I would put them closer towards like four or five right now because like I have some legitimate concerns about this back line with like Finn and Vin name of just like they're both great players right but it feels like uh they they're just struggling right now and I think uh junbin just hasn't impressed me at all so far from what we've seen from both the program and this opening weekend I feel like he's really struggling to find anything and I don't think it's like obviously he's a great mechanical player but they just don't seem to be on the same page right now and like I think these things will get ironed out maybe a better meta will come along for these guys and I think they're still going to be competitive at the top end and On Any Given matter they'll be strong but I I was very confident you know I I bought into the rookie hype and like we know how great these players are going to be they're going to be in this league for a long time but I just with house stacked Houston Outlaws are playing Florida Mayhem are playing Atlanta rain are playing right now I've actually I don't think I can put San Francisco shock there right now and I I think well we need to potentially start like realigning expectations for the team I think the real test is seeing shock play against not the number one team of the world and then you know another team alongside Toronto's kind of level like you need to see them versus the glads did you see them versus Houston maybe a Florida something like that because I think versus Atlanta it's easy to look bad versus Atlanta when Atlanta have right now the best support line in the world I think we can all agree on that one um much Diva into the song Umbra they were playing so much Diva into the lip Sombra and it was getting fun can you actually explain to me why you think jinpin is playing a little a diva over the winter because like like he's a great way legitimately this could just be crusty cracked pipe I'm not even joking why does Scott Scott you've moved to your stream starting soon I knocked over my stream deck oh I I see what I see what would have happened just my stream yeah what's up sorry I accidentally knocked it it seems like it it seems like a legitimately like incorrect uh meta read and I that has to does that not come from the coaching end or what am I crazy yeah yeah no like yeah like probably right like and but that's sort of the question I'm like do you think this isn't jun-bin not feeling comfortable and once again this is more of a crusty like thing he's a main tank player he Winston ball those like his two Heroes there's zero chance he feels uncomfortable at Winston there's no world that's the truth better than why don't they play Max then right because like or do they want to have that flexibility to go back to the world could be the flexibility to go between them I don't know I don't know man like dude I did love that word like they go out to shambali and like Max would come in to play off day over jumping and then I was like uh or main tank I should say not off thank you coming to play Winston over jumping I was like uh like what the [ __ ] is going on here uh so I feel like it like I said I I don't think anyone should be overacting to any matches necessarily like it's the one thing to say for shock is that they're raw they're very raw right now like they're just it's clear their coordination is not the same level with the other teams but the talent like they have the raw skill to make it work like there were moments where they should have like gotten they even should have lost more but they just had players clutch the [ __ ] up you know it's just it's too early too early I think to overreact to the shock especially when one of the teams I think was potentially the best team in the world will also say that neither proper or he's saying historically having seen like their entire careers and containers neither of them were like super prominent on uh Sombra like in Sombra is even on the original lineups with the original DPS but because you have to remember he's saying a proverb never played together um they were on separate teams their entire tennis career uh the other player on the team was playing summer so for example when he sang was on Talon Otto was the summer player and proper was on O2 uh Merit was a somber plan it wasn't these guys so neither of them are super well known for summer we're like in a pretty heavy summer meta versus a guy like lip I mean I think you just get dipped yeah so looking at their future schedule for the San Francisco shock care they do actually get a break in week two so we won't be seeing them this upcoming week so they can get back to practice and get in the right shape and then for week three they're playing the Washington Justice and they're playing the New York Excelsior so who must win you should win yeah yeah if they don't go 2-0 after that then at that point I'm like all right now you can ring the sirens but uh yeah yeah and then it's definitely too easy to ring the sirens I like I do want to make that clear it's like I'm not out here being like shock suck like and we need to like start panicking about this roster it's just you know me being a show host being you know speaking Hyperbole and just like whoa whoa oh my God [ __ ] it's over they went 1-1 in the opening week people act like saying like shock is like fourth in N A is like the worst thing that's ever happened to the San Francisco shock and that they're never going to recover from this right like people admit like it's like the West is so stacked right now and it's like it's hard to put these teams anywhere and I think you have to really like use like slight things against them so yeah have a great season for that reason in in week four though we do get San Francisco versus Houston so oh that'll be a good one gonna be a nasty match that is hopefully that is a true test uh three weeks from now on May 20th we'll we'll see there is so much time for the Crusty crack pipe to do things okay guys just let the CR let Krusty come up with some of the just crack he's already hit you with the max main tank so early he's already hit you with that you've already gotten a little taste just a little bit that's like the that's like the feeder pack they give to get the junkies hooked I'm like oh I'm like oh [ __ ] like that's free track that that's some good stuff that Crusty's about to do I'm gonna be an abandoned dilapidated building a worn out mattress in no time 100 just over there like I'm waiting for the next hit give it give me the next hit Krusty please please oh God the visual representation is incredible thank you I've asked thank you um I do want to say as well them playing like a round of junker queen or just like and you know playing some Armature as well on Races it's just like okay like at least they're in in like the current meta like the scream meta because it did seem like we saw more junker Queen this past week as well so like they're they're kind of on the screen meta right now they're not like out of it or um you know too far off so but I bet they'll improve in a couple of weeks uh moving on then I am actually scared of bringing up this topic the the fans have been craving it the ravenous absolutely ravenous about this one you're going to charge oh boy I'll still get absolutely dominated oh man in the first match of the year and Costa is looking you know real proud of himself right now meanwhile we hyped him up we thought it'd be all smoothed out from here for the Dallas times can I start with one one serious questions when you when you woke up how full was your inbox when you woke up after a big Dallas said Jimmy Fox on broadcast I got people saying like yo biggie diff I got people set like Dallas fan people Dallas haters getting into my inbox I was like yeah like it was like a while but you know like you know it's one game guys let's calm down I feel like I feel like every time Gonzo wins your your inbox is full in my life yeah yeah like Jimmy is intertwined with my life at this point it feels like [Laughter] I think my biggest frustration waking up that day as someone who ranked Guangzhou uh pretty low and someone who ranked Dallas fuel pretty high is that I woke up to to our WhatsApp group and Avril is just like you guys are not gonna believe this like I think I said he's not ready or something like that yeah and I'm just like what the hell just happened and I go online and like I I look up the the results or whatever and I'm like holy [ __ ] going to just dominated dallas-free with 3-0 and so I'm like okay well I gotta get ready for the show you know I gotta shower I gotta eat breakfast I got in the car I gotta drive to a studio we gotta rehearse all that so I don't have a way to like watch the match and so I'm like okay I'll go to Reddit I'll go to Reddit and I'll go into the post match trip and I'll be like oh surely people are gonna be like wow this player popped off wow wow that was such a big difference we're going to show in this match or it doesn't seem like Dallas fuel like they're really good for this matter like I got a good little taste of it and it's just like Jimmy just shattered oh my God baby going to charge on the [ __ ] next thing coming you have no idea this team has stopping MCD is the worst player ever fellas fuel suck ass do you want to stop oh my God it's even suck and I'm like holy sh I don't think I don't have no idea what happened in this match I have no idea what happened to this man all I know is that people love Jimmy they just give me all caps in [ __ ] headline letters [ __ ] on your shitty team that's all I know about this match that's all I know so uh you went to the platform with the most hyperbolic takes that was a good idea and you know people can check this you can go back to the the rankings episode I defended the charge and I was like bro I think we're ready them too late now now qualifier I'm gonna put a qualifier I did not think they were going to dominate the fuel in this fashion I'm gonna put a qualifier there I did think we underrated charge and I reflected at my power rankings I did however not think they were going to [ __ ] the fuel like this however now Einstein up the code machine activate I'm gonna spin up the cope I'm spinning I'm spinning okay now you have to understand there it is it's done it's done heating up now the code let me get the cope out of the microwave so you have to see that the fuel never wins the opening matches okay cope number one number one cope number one fuel does not win fuel does not want Opening match cope number two something Piggy I I don't think Piggy's the same human being I think whatever piggy lost all that weight they replaced piggy with a new piggy I think it was like a a deep fake piggy clone because that Rick and Morty episode where you just shared all the negativity and it becomes a different person yeah this could be this could be this could be the posi piggy right there 62 KGS is a whole human being with you know see he actually thought of everything everything all the bad energy in him he could have gotten rid of when he shed a whole human being from himself because like that is like he did not play main tank like that before or like Piggy legit I mean looked really good on it and that was my biggest one of my biggest concerns for charge because I for me holding back charge to be like enter in that top tier it was like is piggy going to be a tank that can be that flexible and it was and he was um okay my my question on that one is then why did you believe hanmen could do is just because it's hanbin and he and he's already sort of done it homin's played Winston and looked pretty decent on it you know okay that makes sense anyway you have to add it yeah so like I so that's my cope my cope there is that Dallas doesn't win opening matches and um also I was not expecting piggy to release the anti version of Piggy and thus become the greatest version himself we've ever seen he's powered up by the by the [ __ ] yellow sun of our of our ecosystem by our [ __ ] universe or not universe but Galaxy the solar system or solar system that's right down a little yeah there you go solar system well Sun's in our universe technically and our and our galaxy but yeah you're right solar system that's what I meant to say so yes I've gone no I'm I'm just like I'm I'm genuinely just like shell-shocked still from from this result like I don't know what happened like there was some grenade that like just fell off to me like next to me it just went off and I'm just sitting here just like what happened like what happened dude I'm sitting at that game casting it and I think I legitimately said this in the castle no it wasn't me swearing it was when I said if you were to turn off the HUD right now and turn off all the player names you would think that Dallas fuel were the team dominating but it's actually Guangzhou charge and it's like it doesn't make any sense but at the same time you know this is what I said when we did the rankings episode as well uh guandra charge started to really get their [ __ ] together at the end of the season last year um and they started to look really good and all the players working well together mechanically they were strong as well piggy I feel like is just a super slept on player um still and you know they they kept their team together there's a bit of like I I don't know the the culture War for this year is oh if you kept your entire team together from last year it must be bad because look at Vegas and look at London except the difference there was like I don't know like I feel like Guangzhou is just different they they well the difference there is that also I mean Vegas was ass London London there was a real reasoning for that like but also it was meta stuff charge was actually like good and sort of kept their team together I don't think we compared they kept their team together for good reasons charge can they team together for good reasons like hey we should keep it together because this is working so let's keep it working I I think I think announce it so late I don't know to to me it just felt like oh you know with all the Apec the dysons and the licensing and everything going on just like oh they're probably just like renewing because it's the easiest thing and you know minimum contracts all that stuff so I I kind of slept on them I think because they were so quiet in the off-season yeah I mean they just didn't need to do anything and um you see you see why now and I think I don't know thinking about a main tank metal with Winston on you thinking it was piggy going to be good um that's a fair comment so I think that's if that's fair enough but we're really seeing now like dude piggy was legitimately better than Harman in the series you go back and watch you'll see what I saw he actually was even in the sigma legit oh my God I thought this map oh surely fuel in here because Harmon Sigma is really good right piggy Sigma was still better here in my opinion in my honest opinion somehow he dipped hambin on all three maps all three of them well I can't explain it okay but I I think we're looking at this too narrow of like hanbin versus piggy like I think and and I think that's the the thing about the Guangzhou charge and right why this team is sort of underrated like people I think we're looking at have been like oh Guangzhou charge didn't take anything and their record was trash last year but like the team at the end of last year was very different to the team that started the year and their Guangzhou charge or playing really quite well and I think if you look at every player individually they're very good and I I I think even if you know storm camping I don't the big thing is I don't think anyone has probably put Guangzhou charge where they potentially might be right now well where did bad patchy Murray put up like I don't know like the world because like with how they performed they potentially like obviously this is just like one weekend one match like that kind of thing right now you could probably say they should be in that that team here with the top end teams right and like you know they could compete with a lot of those different guys right so it's like the question for me is not oh [ __ ] they beat Dallas they're better than Dallas my question is like how good is this Guangzhou charge really team really and we don't know right like we got a long [ __ ] way to go I had them at 11 technically in mind so one outside top ten I had them at 11th when I did mine so like because like I said I was still doubting the piggy Factor but piggy has made me believe the what's happened is what's happened piggy shed the shadow monster lives inside of us all and it went into Edison and that is what happened oh my God and that's what happened they've cursed Edison with the piggy shadow monster that he has released and thus we need uh some sort of shamanistic ritual to cleanse them and then the few will be back okay that's my other cope my other cope is that it was wicked magic and they have now cursed Edison so I also think uh and this this is probably not a big surprise but Guangzhou charges backline is insane like better than Dallas fuels it is good um and people are saying do they have maybe the best support line in Apec and and the more I think about it the more I'm like like probably actually yes interchangeable and and team China agrees because they got both those those guys on and we'll see who they think is better when they when it comes down to starting players later on we can't be using World Cup teams as our basis but we can't agree that Xerneas is definitely like the better player versus Langston the reason why xerneases on charges a because they're retained as Contracting B I don't think Ray wants to work with Journeys but that aside you know due to the fact that Xerneas exists on one team and he doesn't exist in the other team I think the zoning is far away what a [ __ ] Revenge Arc for Xerneas is going to be if Xerneas just if they just dominate spark doing by the way they play next week the Joe down is next week that would actually be in the sense if I be if I win that match I'm [ __ ] I'm sending like uh I don't know what I'm gonna send some sort of gift to Ray like with a little card on it being like I'm gonna do like the the I'm gonna do the bin best thanks for dropping me that tweet was one of the most insane tweets [Music] we brought this out of nowhere it's all about but that then best tweet well Don we're gonna cover during the Vegas thing probably yeah let's finish on the charge we'll finish the challenge I I I yeah if you guys send them anything in more on jobs the last thing I'll say is choice of one's a monster that guys yeah but we we've been known right yeah the thing is nothing about charge the end of last year they were good they were looking good the roster overall looked really good it was literally just for me a question mark about piggy about like how would this team function and the piggy has a really good main tank then this team is immediately shooting up the rankings like five six slots from when I had them like immediately all right where do you want to go next we have one more match I want to cover in the eight pack but you said you wanted to go towards the the Ben best thing what's the other APAC yeah what's the other APAC thing all right all right so Seoul Dynasty they win the inaugural Soul rivalry here taking off Inferno this it was a good Bowl but Soul ball I I look when I woke up Avril I'm not gonna lie I I my tummy was feeling good because I felt like I was the only one who was hiding up the dinosaurs another children's books by reinforced I was the only one who put respect on profit and void I I said I could do it and they did it they beat them three two in a pretty yeah I mean that that shocked by another three that kind of like defines it like I was going through this little trolled this match infernal trolls Dynasty also didn't even know how to play their comp half the time they just killed people like it was so good like it was just what he wanted to see from this was this was a soul Bowl this was a soul Bowl if I've ever seen one I don't think you can look at this match and be like wow both these teams are really good it was such a close match I think that was a little bit of trolling from both teams but like I gotta go on with my back pedaling for this episode of like you know profit you know I questioned your intentions and your quality of play and I that was gonna happen again I I I I feel like I owe you a boy okay it's all Dynasty donut Prof fit in this series like it they probably get three like profit was less absolutely Savage on this Tracer and you know like it shouldn't surprise anyone it surprised me but it shouldn't surprise anyone uh he's still one of the greatest but that has to be one of the worst takes of the off-season okay just take wait when did you start when did you question profit I I my my fear for profit going into this season was that he wasn't going to have the same drive that he's had in the past and I was like maybe he's just like not going to be as unform as we know him he was still going to be a great player but like was he going to be one of the best DPS players in the world I wasn't solder do you just chose to wake up one day and just hate yeah by the way Johnny Johnny you should you should be a lot more mad at Scott for this because people gave you [ __ ] for the void take and people just letting Scott slide on this no okay there is a difference between the void tank Jordan player not say that about profit I knew Prophet was going to be great the question was you wish I only take that people associate me with like it was a mistake it happened please move on I may I [ __ ] up okay I [ __ ] up and please stop tweeting at me about it I can find I feel like we should do a episode one time where we just go over our worst takes a really funny episode it's just like all the takes that like were just so totally wrong I he's he's taking out his mic at this point literally killed his [ __ ] mic let me say while he's fixing that let me say this oh my gosh let me say this about the uh the soul ball while we wait for Johnny to do his magic there um if you watch map five you saw infernal do one of the most Monumental throws where two rounds out of the three they led by one of them was a 99 it was like 90 plus percent and the other one was an 86-0 lead and they threw both of them just um okay here's the thing like who trolled for the infernal like who do you think was like throwing the game I actually just think it was Seoul Dynasty you actually started executing good Dives and playing it well and Bella's real has apparently a pocket doomfist that's what like incredible right like I don't think infernal like hard-trolled this like things they definitely didn't clutch up like they didn't play well to close out the series but I don't think anyone like it's all like they just sort of like fumbling around people just dying I think soldiers did a great job of like profit and Profit just did a great job of like just punishing infernal for stepping up I think I talked to hexagrams about this and he gave me some words of wisdom he said some teams just have this bad energy that that surrounds them no matter what happens so you know the fusion the the Philadelphia Fusion bad mojo just follows this team so once again the the it's some the anti-clutch man the anti-clutch happened on Oasis and they just the piggy yeah they fumbled two humongous leaves leads I think that's a I mean even if you're not necessarily playing having such a huge lead in time so you can take so many you only have to win one fight right essentially you have to win one fight when you're at like that 90 plus percent range on control like I I don't know that that is a fumble in of itself even though technically they wanted to play like badly but like yeah it's definitely available through the game I mean I I would I would say that like you know having that much time and knowing you only have to win fight that's equivalent like to me on control it's not as bad but it's essentially equivalent in my eyes of like having like two to three minutes to just get a tick on a first point of like a hybrid and it's twice it wasn't once two times in a row guys yeah it was twice like that that requires an immense I mean it doesn't mean that Seoul didn't play well it just means like or I can't say so doesn't mean that in uh Dynasty didn't play well it just meant that like infernal could not properly get their alts you know their good old economy couldn't get a game plan going at all for like all the time they had and that's like that's pretty rough when you're looking to compete at the top like be one of the best teams in the region you know like that's just something that can't happen you can't you have to be able to get that tick you know or get that one cap when you have four plus fights to just get one good fight a quick thing to note uh before we move on from the soul driver here as well uh because speaking of like City rivalries uh there was one moment this weekend where the LA Gladys got three old by the Houston Outlaws and the Valiant were playing the Vancouver tennis in the match following and I just really wanted Valiant to take one map from Vancouver so Valiant would have been a better La team and that would have just like made my weekend as well I think violence is the best team in L.A um but yeah there we go let's uh let's head into the power rankings um real quick we gotta I actually have a meeting to be at so uh we gotta watch this bad boy on because we have a lot to get through still um and if you're worried that we didn't talk about your team we didn't talk about Washington Justice on Spitfire um all these teams we got predictions later on and I'm hoping we can kind of chat those teams in a shorter form uh when we do the predictions later and if we don't get to it then you know it's a long season and eventually we get to your team so hopefully you don't you know you know New York too upset we didn't talk about your favorite team um here we go but Power Rankings then now this is not like the end of season prediction power rankings this is just right now week one going into week two how do we rate these teams and we split up the region because that's the only freaking way it makes sense to do this uh to begin with so Solomon let's get right to it Vegas number 13. boom boom can we make a special like can we make a special 14. Vegas I would oh guys I mean honestly okay here's the thing it is BM but this team like this this day I came in with no expectations and I was really disappointed it's like watching a guy eat at like an 18 18 quadrillion Scoville unit hot pepper page this is this is this power ranking with them at 14 more or less BM than the tweet from Ben best is like also the best part about the Midwest tweet is that he was like no drama immediately started was that him get amazed that sounds like an amazing so it's like very calm just like that you know them cutting me I'm very grateful maybe he's a better person made me appreciate it came with a sledgehammer no one of them literally put in the tweet I was waiting to get his karma for so long mad respect to their players but this is what you deserve when you lie about players trash them ruined careers and act like an angel in social media trying to take the lead alone and fire the people for their influence is so selfish Paris Eternal will always be in my heart players who gave everything for their mates their coaches and especially their fans I mean thank Drew McCall real quick yeah thank you dream of court yeah thank you dream record for buying this this franchise and probably literally forgetting it exists and not even shepherding in any capacity yeah the last part I don't know if I ever liked the last part but the rest that's like thinking Stan cronky when they had Gladiators like at all yeah man that was the doomfist punch and a half on social media I mean like I understand what they're going because like you're basically dropping him and then this is the level of team that you have he's like I mean really like come on like like honestly like I so I get it I just found it funnier that that kid amazed was like no drama here and then immediately starts drama immediately does a drama pose yeah get amazed tried to be the adult in the room so problems with that you know move on I'm a better place now you know appreciate my opportunity here I did respect that he called it like I'm glad you you're you getting rid of me like inspired me to do better because that was like the low point of my life was in Vegas a turtle wow Vegas 14. I don't think we need to spend too much time with that people people trolled with life we were against Vegas that's all you need to know yeah move on with that one Christ all right next up Valiant I'm thinking Valiant I I don't know I don't know where you're coming from there's one other team we're better than New York like yeah I'll put them in the same tier I'll put new I think I I I don't know where you're getting this from I don't think it's like yes do I think Fitz is a better player than Seeger yes but I've been kind of impressed with the tempo like they got 3-0 in their matches like don't get me wrong they it's not like they did particularly well but like ah they had some Tempo to it and like Crawley kind of impressed me more than I thought with like some of the plays he was doing like but I I think it's safe bet to put value at 12. I think it's a safe bet to put value at 12th in the New York after but I mean he's there I think New York lost to harder teams yeah I agree yeah I'm just saying I think something's there for Value like before I was like I don't think they're ever gonna really make it out of like the second worst team spot now I'm like yeah like I agree with you this upside I just don't think there's enough right now what if I told you that on Saturday we're getting Valiant against Excelsior I would tell you that's amazing toilet bowl I would say that's one of the cleanest tools that match will determine whether these teams are at 11th or 12th for the rest of the season yeah I'm excited because we'll never be able to like uh you know Valiant took a map of Atlanta so therefore you know by the way the week after week three Vegas versus New York wow we're pretty we're pretty sure I don't even think that's gonna be close yeah I want to be excited I just can't like literally as soon as I see the Vegas name on my screen it's like how I saw any justice match previously like old Justice I was like I just start drinking can't do it I just can't do it man that this team is so much worse than Justice too because Justice at least there's like okay like this is I mean it's like it's like watching it's like you know that move the book of the road where it's just the most depressing post-apocalyptic book ever written probably not but it's like McCarthy essentially let me tell you know about it is this is the digital OverWatch this is the digital esport version of the road this is like watching the most depressing like end of civilization like holy [ __ ] like and the thing is once again there's players aren't all Luke Amino rack that got a 5k they wiped the enemy team and lost the [ __ ] they lost the round on control and their supports got killed five people like how is that even possible I just don't even understand oh my God okay we gotta move on I'm gonna be so New York 11. yeah let me let me quickly just like uh Vegas schedule moving forward so they're not playing week two week three Vegas are playing London and New York okay so two matches that are not winnable but they quote-unquote competing with those week four and five we got Vegas versus Boston Vegas versus Gladiators Vegas versus Atlanta Vegas versus Toronto it's just dude and you know the pressure's on the pressure the Vegas is like Shanghai dragons season one like if you lose like you are [ __ ] like you are so [ __ ] if you lose oh God did that Mike no one will let you forget it oh Christ oh my God all right moving on 10th spot I feel like this one is a little bit contested where are we going with this one I think it kinda has to be the London spirit I think it's London yeah I think it's London yeah I feel pretty yeah I lost 3-1 to Washington and lost 3-1 to Boston so pretty strongly about London going there the London clearly because also like their best looks still are the looks where they don't play wins and right now it's like a heavy Winston meta correctly so like it's no and they have like good ideas I don't think their ideas necessarily bad they have some good Playmakers and such like it's just it's clear that their team right now is not built or better and also the level of squads just leveled up so much ew yeah I I feel like the the the I'm just waiting for like the offset machine to to keep going and London to get some wins here because I I actually have belief in their team I actually think they'll do great and lethal has some like really good moments as well as a rookie this lineup and like I have I have trust in this franchise I'm just waiting for them to keep going really because it's a bad story orienting towards a position like they started to experiment with the junker Queen a little bit more I think that there's something there potentially with those Jungle Queen yeah uh and me like there's something that could occur with that I think you just can't play that everywhere though you just it's available everywhere it's not versatile enough to like win you a whole series yep okay next up I'm guessing Vancouver titles guys the real question is how far down do you put Toronto for going oh into oh I mean probably probably my number they lost 3-1 to the Fordham am and they beat the Valiant 3-0 meanwhile Toronto defiant it went to map five against the shock my pick for nine there should be Justice in my opinion I think I agree with that as well justice justice three-owned Valiant and they lost a map to one and a 3-1 London yeah while like Titans I would argue had a bit of a harder schedule um and because the and they took a map off Mayhem now granted like they were some trolling that I think I think there's a little bit of trolling but I I overall I still also rate the overall squat in my opinion I think the overall Squad like just looking at on paper I still have the Titans above Justice too it's just Justice in Pro-Am impressed but also Justice started playing a lot more of like this Mirror Mirror was playing a lot more of a bin best so they didn't really in these matches they didn't play the best Winston very much like at all like they were playing mirror so got a like I don't know but it's like but if Winston's so good and you look so good at Pro and why you're not playing it right like there must be like a scrim thing or like you know something going on Alpha you still looked great I also think like but like overall like they I was very unimpressed with Justice in this it's the question is like who wins now Washington versus Vancouver they play each other like what is the result like I think I legitimately think it's impossible to tell with both of these teams like they're both I think they're both around this spot I think you could literally make these two interchangeable I'm with a vast that I personally am higher on this Vancouver Titan same like I think Washington are like obviously after he's just going [ __ ] crazy and that's great for them but I agree that you know they took a map off of Mayhem which is like a really [ __ ] strong team right now so I like I don't know I just see more upside in banking right now yeah I think I think I'll I'll sight of the Titans here then right sounds like the team agrees got Washington and the Vancouver talents at eight boom all right now well actually not now I I feel like seven is is is kind of clear it's cannibal right the top five will be disgusting but at seventh I I think we're leaning either Toronto or Boston Uprising then yeah I personally so here's my pick that's it's controversial for some people I currently believe Toronto is a better team than Boston I agree it's the one map lost to London isn't it um yeah yeah it kind of is yeah like this is I put this as the same thing as Vancouver and Washington of like both of them don't really have you know great matches to sort of like compare against each other because they're kind of like this is uh just weird this is this is where the viewers get extremely mad that a team that went 0-2 is higher than a team that went too but they play who do they play they play Gladiators and shots shots they should have and they were so close to winning the shock match like they could they 100 could be 101 and like the glads match they um oh no I'm thinking of different match I was thinking of the shoe clutch that's not yeah and like Boston played London and New York like how do we like how do you gauge how good these teams are yeah of course Boston went 2-0 they played much weaker teams compared to Toronto but I I think Toronto being competitive with jock I think that I I think it was a good look they were very competitive with the Gladiators like I I think uh you you sold me you sold me I'm on board also I think overall I still think holistically from what we've seen so far the Toronto seem a little bit more a slightly more well-rounded and also when they have hydron in the hydron is a force Hydra is a [ __ ] force and like Boston I think are trying to force like they're they're trying to do like this um Decay it's like they're doing a lot of like Decay uh they didn't play as much bird ring I'm around they put a lot more Decay [ __ ] uh Striker yeah and I didn't I don't know if that was there's no there's not enough hit scan I mean you're playing exactly but the point there is that like I think they looked a little flat with what they were trying to do it didn't look like not that strike was actually like bad at like software stuff but like it just looked a little flat comparatively when they played with bird ring so like they didn't have a lot of this explosion like the case still look explode the case looked really good when they Dove but outside of that I was like I didn't see there's a lot happening I think iziaki besides them him literally jumping up like falling off the map once like their rotations are weird their player rotations are weird like they're playing Perma on a lot and they're not playing Twilight I'm like why are you playing Perma Anna and you're not playing Twilight like it just doesn't make any sense yeah I think this should be a great meta for Boston so like looking forward I have I do have my concerns about Boston because this should be something they're very good at yeah I mean the k went 16-0 on chamboli yeah so the the way I'd sort of like framed this would be that the peak of Boston Uprising is absolutely crazy when they play their A-game like they're just an insanely good team but it is that kind of like inconsistency like what Boston are pricing are we getting in today's matchup that is what really like pulls me back and I'm like ah where's Throne to the fire and even though Toronto went Owen too I just felt comfortable like they just feel like [ __ ] I'm gonna say it's professional teams [Applause] they play actually quite a few different compositions and they have compositions for each map and I feel like they can always pull it out like if they come up with a sigma composition I'm like oh great clips is going to play Sigma hydron maybe on the Widowmaker or something like I feel comfortable with this even when they play like maze symmetra compositions I'm like I trust this Toronto Divine team to come out with this may Sim and have a good performance dive still like I I think it's almost stood out to a Sam for example it's speed the laser good I have trust in the Toronto Define so even though they start out 012 there is a sense of like trust so throughout the defiant in their upcoming mattress they're playing they're playing uh New York Excelsior and I'm just like I'm not even second guessing myself because like I feel very confident that 2005 are going to beat New York Excelsior meanwhile I look at Boston's schedule and Boston are playing Washington Justice and Vancouver Titans and there is no chance in hell I predict against the Boston Uprising but I'm at least like is there like a scenario where Boston like come in and they have a bad match or something and like they lose this match there is that kind of uncertainty there is no question about personal pricing's A-game but are we getting that match to match basis I think tomorrow's at risk though Toronto's at risk befalling as because like there's already some cracks being shown like where like where how explosive are they without hydron at times like how well like collusion is very flexible but does he have like on main thing in particular is he really like a Difference Maker so far and also on top of that like OG had a kind of a weak uh match and like you know he's had like some ups and downs like I'm not thinking oh geez necessary Problem by any means it's just there's a lot of like there's a lot of points where like there's some there's some some potential weak points on the squad that have to be ironed out and like see how they fit together and it's and just see how they like improve themselves on both like a team and individual level so like there's a lot of wiggle room with Toronto right now I just feel more confident with their performance so far and they're showing tickets good team I think there's a lot less variance between Toronto and Boston all right like Boston could be like [ __ ] fourth of next week but they could also be like 11th maybe but I mean the thing is they really shouldn't they shouldn't be that way they should they have so much flexibility and so many good players but especially when you consider that you know the Israel can use that came out today how to collapse long which is like you know wish them holy [ __ ] yeah you know a healthy recovery and stuff like that but like if we're just looking at it from the competitive standpoint like that is gonna be a loss for the Austin office that's the second time that's happening now Pelican had one two years ago yeah it's they say it's supposedly there's a lot of factors like but like being very skinny and having bad posture are both physical predicate like predictors for like potentially having a collapsed lung they're also I was reading something but I don't know if that's true at all like apparently there's a higher incident someone like Korean men with it but like I don't necessarily know if that's true or not so yeah was it was it Jonas who had that like pre-overwatch league as well Jonathan collapse along or something like that yeah someone one of the one of the like LW blue players I believe yeah yeah so we we send all the best wishes pricing franchise obviously terrible news so we hope that everything goes uh okay and that this Yaki feels all right and uh wish him a a speedy recovery um I have honestly no idea like what what the repercussions of a collapsed long or you can't fly to Hawaii we learned that two years ago not that much true yeah um or Korea for that matter so you know we'll see what uh what happens to other guard but yeah obviously terrible news so we wish I don't think about Boston if this power ranking was influenced by your social media posts how high would we have Boston I mean I mean uh I mean I'd have them above Toronto probably about it I think their lead I respect that they're at least just memeing about the situation I mean I think personally if we're doing based off social work so far the team with the best social posts so far have been like I think charged [ __ ] popped off with the social that one Eric Andre meme that was so [ __ ] oh that was really good yeah I'll show it purple yeah all right we gotta we gotta move along here because we gotta we gotta we gotta get through this episode number five oh boy is this where we give Florida some negative points for dropping a map to Vancouver Ain't No Way Florida's coming into this conversation when we got glads in the shop just sitting around no I think I personally I'm gonna I'm I'll be the one to say it I think you should be shocked right now yeah I agree I didn't want to be the first one to say it uh yeah I think it has to be the shock and then it would probably be the glads for me yeah that's in this matter right we're talking dismantle right [ __ ] now right now right now going into week two going into it San Francisco shock than glads for me I do have glads above shock so if we're gonna put if we're going to go over Shock first and yeah this is and then I would probably put Florida yeah I would put Florida as well and then I would have Houston then Atlanta I'm just going to keep there you go wow it's like finishing Apostle we just had so few pieces left that there was nowhere I I like there is a world in which Florida is better than Houston and maybe we are underrating and not giving enough credit to this like Florida team but like they could also be worse than glads and shock yeah I don't know guys just just for your consideration Florida's schedule of the week one was Vancouver in in Vegas yes they had extremely easy schedule like when you have Vegas you essentially you have a free you have a buy for one of the matches and we we're literally ranking teams with consideration to how easy or hard their schedule was like that right like playing a very similar song I also I also think that like that's not Vancouver I think Vancouver is also not a bad team I think Vancouver is like a pretty decent mid-table team and they they played him pretty well like I I think like when you have obviously you could pretty much it's heavily reflect on how much this program's weight count but it's like essentially the same meta like the same ish meta like I think their team is currently like I think it's a good their team is well designed for The Meta as well like it is a bit of opium right you could argue that maybe glads and shock like based off their strength of opponents maybe you should go higher but you know it's we don't have a lot of comparison points right yeah so I uh I I I I gotta I gotta I gotta stick up for my boys the gladiers um I'm not saying that they don't serve to be top three but Gladiators are playing Mayhem this upcoming week and I gotta tell you I'm feeling good about the Gladiators coming off that Toronto Finance win I really do think that the Houston Outlaws loss the 3-0 loss that was horrible for the values I think it was a bit of an anomaly um I'm going in on the glider so I'm buying Gladys talking yeah they're an interesting piece right now because like they don't it's clear to me when the more I see from Gladiators I don't think Dante's a bad I think Dante has proven that he can play the main thing pretty solidly but the thing that looks best for them is when they try not to play maintain when they try to play like a slightly more unconventional comp and like force that Queen get like a a ramatra get even like you know like play some other Century stuff like they played a little bit they played a tiny bit of Reaper at points or zarya I should say like I don't think they played badly the wins at all I think the Winston is still very they still play really well with it but like the Peaks the moments when I see like oh [ __ ] like gliders are cooking is when they do like an interesting comp it's when they're in it's like when they've been making like a slightly less conventional less meta composition and trying to playing against the wisdom was good right yeah wisdom was a great look for the glass and that might be important for if they have to play against the Florida Houston or Atlanta where you know that's what they're going to heavily lean on yeah and also like so I think like there's so I I definitely think that like Gladiators like for me there's like some interesting like wiggle spaces there of like how comfortable are they around because shock I'm like okay I think they're perfectly comfortable I just think I think they're just like have a raw mess of like they haven't really got anything together yet like as a team but like all the parts are there glads I'm like I'm working with some parts that maybe not perfectly fit but like they can cook and make it work but how well is it always gonna work Florida I'm like okay all their parts fit like everything fits across the board like there is nothing that's hanging out of place ladders are playing Florida and Atlanta this upcoming week so be glad it's all right damn okay yeah we'll find out back to back that's gonna be a scary Saturday and Sunday for gladiers um so yeah I don't think my stock will go anywhere because that because they're probably winning one loose one or something I don't know if this is the way to buy it honestly honestly if we think about it though Gladiators who knows he's gonna gone if they didn't lose the shoe Shu literally just won them the shambali and like if they had just gotten that kill on shooting about why Yaki decided to go be a cowboy instead of run down shoe with the rest of the team well I thought it was it didn't him and it was him and Asheville that went and fought him right or was I think no Astro Kev it was Astro yeah it was Astro and you see Yaki like stopped to run towards you with Kev star and then you see him turn around and be like well but the thing is that you get the cut I think that's like the percentage plays like you should hope kevstrom and Astro can 2V1 I think the percentage play is to win the fight make sure because if you kill Shu there and potentially kill um Fearless as well they're not gonna get another good team fight so you potentially win I don't know I saw that play by Yuck and I was like oh I think but you would think at the highest level you can trust kevstr and Asher the 2V1 and honor you know and guarantee like you have a much better place you know it's a much better position to be getting the cap time while getting the kill because you have two players one of which is Kevin Strong Tracer the kill and honor like cancer wins that like I feel like that's just a judgment call and Shu just literally hit him with with the meat you know all right so we uh we gotta move on we gotta move on to the APAC power rankings as well because these are going to be even more chaotic I mean this is really so much of an interpretation and Cloud farming and and everything you want to do with it so [ __ ] uh Shanghai at least Shanghai do we feel good about Shanghai guess what I haven't I still have honestly not seen the Shanghai game I just have not had the time with everything going on in the morning and I was like hey guys we're in the group chat how did the Shanghai game how was the Flair tank and Vicky came in and said Planet tank played it like it was an echo the entire time and I was like ah that seems like a pretty good Summary of why it would not work and like what flutter would do so it's like I don't know like Moon's gonna stop this is this is this is the problem with only having very limited matches we only had one day of Apec it sucks guys yeah um so this is great I wish I wish we had a second day just to engage a bit better because the biggest problem with Shanghai is they went up against one of if not the best team in APAC and so you're gonna get you're gonna get dominated either way um if if that being said though they still like I test wise they still look the worst but I don't know if it's because they look the worst because they're just that bad or whether it's because they just play the best team and the best teams humiliated them and could be a bit of both there but uh for now often off the basis of one match yeah they they look like the worst offer one match so I think it's fair I did see the duality of man though because someone was like yo Viper Rookie of the Year other people were like but like I was like also isn't Viper not a rookie I'm misremembering this no he is rookie confusing with the Venom there's two different people well yeah someone came into my mad chat and was like oh yeah Viper looking like rookie of the year then someone else came to my chat like damn vipers he does not look like the problem is if you want to win Rookie of the Year you have to be in one of the better teams like one of the top teams you don't have to be the best team you have to be one of the top teams I don't think Shanghai is going to be that I guess Bliss out Dallas have uh well he's awesome dude that's what the [ __ ] it's funny because that's also what the shock fans Dallas and shock fans are finally uniting in one thing Dallas just won the league they're allowed some leeway shocks won it twice and finished a second place they're allowed so are you gonna put Dallas above Seoul and solvent no yes 2018 we're back in season one we're back in season we went into a time machine season one all over again uh custard still on on the team this is back in season one he knows he knows the pain uh probably to get traded to the Valiant uh this feels a little unfair but it's like yeah they only played one game and off the back of one game this is just where they gotta land well now this is where they gotta land you got dominated these are the two teams that got Mega humiliated this weekend Dallas to Shanghai they both got three old and it was not a close 3-0 so all right um yeah Dallas it's every it looked like every play on every position got dipped by their counterparts not even joking like Jimmy was better than Edison Choi was better than Sparkle piggy was somehow better than harm but there you go and then the supports are clearly going to be better than Dallas supports because I think the corner supports are the best right now so yeah I mean without any other daughter about Dallas playing anyone else they just have to go five because they're the other team they got humiliated yeah that's just how it is not enough sample size but they gotta go there so we are getting some clarity this upcoming week because Dallas are playing which I propose to be number four Soul infernal this upcoming week so we'll sort out that fourth and fifth spot I think Seoul should go number four I don't know I would like to put infernal second for the memes but I think probably fourth um let me just yeah I think Eternal I think a funnel goes more yeah no I don't think they're better than the Joe's on it they lost to the dynasty so I guess they have to go forth yeah and I think Dynasty goes third right wow I feel great about this I think it's pretty hard to put charge above Spock at this point as much as they look great like Spock yeah they're still spark are just nasty they're making nasty you know yeah and they're playing each other we do there's chain two chain do is just lurking waiting imagine a world where APAC is the two Joe teams at the top that's [ __ ] wild we live in it's actually Joker it's Jova yeah it is yeah yeah it is yeah um I like I like the APAC region feels very competitive though I I really enjoy uh the like each match feels like it has a lot of gravity to it like there's a lot of uh outcome to it does that make any sense there's a lot of I don't know I'm just rambling I don't know what you're saying honestly yeah I feel like every APAC match I'm excited to see the outcome of the result like I feel like there's a lot that hangs in the balance with every match does that make sense sure sure yeah this is I don't want to oh man I actually can't wait for the Joe down it's gonna be so sick because the number one and number two team power level wise playing each other right now yeah so let's let's do that first so we're actually going to do predictions in this one but I didn't put down the Hangzhou and Guangzhou for some reason so we're not actually predicting that match so just first before we get into the official Graphics like time sources guancho who do you got I got Hangzhou but I don't think that's a surprise to anyone I think uh Hangzhou are the safe event like if you want to go you want to go to S P 500 route you go Hangzhou man Guangzhou is just such an exciting prospect out there it's just like oh man this is going to go straight to the Moon I feel like you're getting too high on it if we're going for Guangzhou we're just we're literally just full sending right it's a real attempting like it feels like diamond hands like it feels like a very cold right now bro this is GameStop handling right now nah yeah no I'm going I gotta go for this box as well I I think it's safe they're the safer I think like Spock um they I mean neither of these teams would really push too hard but they showed they showed their best things and like mechanically both these teams popped the hell off and so I test why is they just look incredible I mean shy leave are as good as you thought like they're that duo matches and exceeds all expectations you've imagined but they probably changed right and that's the kind of hard thing is it's like it's hard to say they exceed expectations when they beat down yeah but like they get on an eye test like it's not with some teams they get an easy game and like maybe they don't like beat them as hard or they troll around spark like it actually just pummeled yeah um and leave gets to play stuff he he didn't get to play like for all the last yeah leave gets to play a little bit of Genji which you never see because Leaf spend his entire career next to jimmu who always played the Genji on the team so you finally get to see a little bit of leave Genji like holding [ __ ] that's right he can also play this hero play some Echo back on the Tracer so I didn't get to play that much hit scan he had a uh a bit of Widow in there a little bit of Ash in there but it was mainly on the Sombra they also swapped as well like they they both play the Tracer which is like super clutch when you have two players your head scanning your Flex DPS you can both just jump on the Tracer obviously you prefer leave on that one but the flexibility is insane for that you had a moment where shy on Kings where Shire was on Tracer and leave was on ash just because of how the heroes landed and they just both handled it and just played opposite World played each other's roles and played well that was good so hungry for me let's chat like we're also we're also Winston Meadow so you know yeah I'm believing in spark Oh I thought we're gonna go with wine Joe okay all right so we're all we're all going with the hydro sport makes sense yeah but did I if Guangzhou wins this one the fans are just gonna explode like yeah yeah it'll actually be a spectacle to see so I'm actually kind of excited at the process and post match thread is going to be insane it's going to be uh the Joe match Joe hey I love the Joe's the battle of the joke the Joe down go down yeah all right so let's get into we got six matches to predict and I'll try to do six matches each week and they're not necessarily like the best matches of the week or like the best teams they're just like matches that I think are going to be reasonably close or that as some like interesting storylines or that we can cover so first off we got the Boston Uprising against the Washington Justice and we got the prince I think there it is the camera thing yet yeah okay the first week on the job for Solomon I honestly Solomon's has done a fantastic job with all the assets getting it uh ready in order and stuff with a pretty short pretty short time to do so so I mean this is awesome already but we'll get more uh that's a guarantee and [ __ ] in the future hopefully that that'd be sick too so but uh but yeah Boston Uprising for everyone so to no surprise I think but there is that lurking temptation to pick Justice I think in this match yeah I like Alfie could go crazy but then you're like well Boston are playing dive and they Decay is like playing very well on the Tracer like I think I think we'll start to see like the cap of where Washington can go I think they're going to be a strong team and I think that they've impressed me so far but I think boss if Boston lose this you this would be more of a Boston failing than a Washington success in my opinion and also it deserves to be said that I think we all made our pick before the isayaki news and I think it'd be quite quite important taste to speculate on this ayaki news and you know the impact it had in this match we honestly have no idea and you know it's it's awful and it might Gravely impact you know how this match goes but it's it's just terrible so you know we're assuming a little bit here that this ayaki hopefully can't play and how good was the operating are with this ayak in the lineup and and for my main level take I'm just going to say like for Boston to lose you'd have to get their players to like have a boxing match in the parking lot just they'd have to Feud they would have to like get right up into each other's faces and start feuding throwing keyboards and [ __ ] and then they all lose honestly that that's just how people talk about Esports boxing and like Ludwig did that like boxing Showdown whatever it honestly just be a great outlet for the Boston Uprising players to just like you know go through some boss while you're making content at the same time so I'm all for it who plays shooting just get into it yeah yeah and I I have you can Bond over that you know because like all the MMA guys they're like Bots with each other or not really I mean there's some heels and stuff but you know they're like hey good fault good fault man like hey good good game so I don't know maybe a bonding opportunity for Boston moving on we got the Florida Mayhem I guess the Los Angeles gladiers maybe a bit more close in this one I believe in the Dante junker queen and the off tank I think we're moving away a little bit from the Winston stuff and I hope gliders catch them off guard wow I think we're actually going the opposite direction I think people are going to start trending towards Winston traces Sombra so many teams tried to play something else and then always Trend it back to the Winston Tracer Sombra and I think that is probably going to be the defining Factor until we go into a patch and I think the Joker Queen is a good look for the Gladiators but I I Florida just looks I'm Pro and pilled I'm someone peeled like I genuinely believe in this roster in this matter Pro-Am build yeah I mean I I I just need to see how the I think this is like one where essentially I'm like at a fifth I'm like a 60 like a 60 65 Florida versus like you know 37 on glad simply because like they played really hard opponents and made good adjustments and made him just look extremely cohesive and they trolled the bit at times even but like we'll just have to see like overall the strings of The rosters and like the players in the roster I'm like okay this meta makes a lot of sense for Florida to be really good at to be like potentially like their best meta possible that they could be in really outside like maybe like you have more like hard hit scandi type of things but like for merit but like I think overall like this is going to be a very good meta for Mayhem so I'm the opposite of Scott I'm I'm anti-pro and build so uh the prime didn't even count at all it might as well just just delete it which is why you know uh just get rid of the Florida Mayhem or all together which means Gladiators won actually uh also also Florida are a cheating team who do illegal Maneuvers and I'm just I'm all about competitive Integrity so I don't like cheaters but no on a small serious no this is this is a real 50 50 because these two teams have the chance to be really close I don't think we saw enough out of Florida like I given the actual matches played I didn't I don't know like there's not enough there I feel like Gladiators we got a lot better of a look I think Houston's just a really insane team um but the Gladiators Toronto game was impressive Enough From The Gladiator side that I'm willing to take a chance to them but in all honesty this this could be a really close one yeah I can see being close it could be glads honestly it could be like I do have a sleeper pick because especially because my I have I've hold down to the Aki bucks you know the Aki bucks do still obviously matter a lot to me so like but I think losing a close match was Mayhem would not hurt my reserves of Yaki currency too much yeah I love that the match doesn't even happen and you're already defending Yaki it's like no versus um defiant people were already been like a vast feeling so good right now I was like yeah buddy you didn't play well he played very well in that match yeah I gotta say it was a big relief as well because that it kind of proved that they made it work in the program with Kai and like capster Kai was really good in the program and now they find a way to make uh Yaki capster work as well like they have like a winning recipe for that so now they have multiple ways they can activate their DPS Trio and really pop off so I it you know credit two of us I I will tip my hat to the uh the the Sombra Tracer stuff was nice from the gladiers but if we're feeling so good about the Florida man then then they should have no issue disposing of the Toronto defiant and we're all picking the 409 against the Toronto find this one interesting as well um again these are teams that should be competing with each other and I guess the interesting thing for Toronto to find here is at some point you kind of have to compete with the likes of Florida Mayhem this team was built to compete with the likes of rhodam and beat them at times so if you're trying to find and you start like oh and three one and three whatever at some point you got to be like well you were supposed to win at least one or two of those matches right yeah yeah I I personally I think this is a great metaphor for Florida and not a great meta for Toronto like it obviously they're very flexible and they can play everything to a high degree but like we're talking about you know the inches between these two teams like collusion Winston is nowhere near as comfortable as someone I think when defiant can play hydron on hit scan primarily that's when they look at their best but I don't think that's really where we're at right now we're playing Tracer summer Winston so aim for her to just feel a lot better in this metal right now uh against Toronto yeah I agree I think it's just like they're they'd also love to have to play like I think they would Contin continuously love to play like a lot of brigitta Honor which they can do but they still have to play the dive and like if you're playing the Brigitte honor you're not typically running this hard hit scan as much right so like they're losing that it factor from hydron and also I think that like Maps it's not that OG Lucio's bad body means I just feel like they really want to give strength to UV and like pocketing that that factor of hydron and they're not able to do this like Lucio kiriko style comps um so I think that they're especially because like colush I think is going to be more more comfortable more comfortable on off tanks overall so like it's definitely not just like the perfect fit for them across the board by any means I just went for a Vibes pick so here we are Vibe speak Avro big Vibes guy I just love that bought into the Vibes this year big Vibes guy I love that I I agree with what Scott said though generally speaking like meta wise this is just much better for uh Florida all right uh moving on next time we're going to aipac and if you had told me two weeks ago uh well actually we're not going to pay back I lied to you we're staying in west region we got one more match to talk about in the west region Atlanta Reign against the LA gladders I I can't afford this is yeah well we're all going with the Atlanta reign in this one obviously uh looking like the best team right now but um a bit of a rematch rematch from week one so or no not week one sorry the pro one rematch one program so let's see if they are like lives can continue with that kind of momentum and take them down once more but we all got the Atlanta ring in this one I feel like until proven otherwise Atlanta Reign is just a team to beat and they're going to be favored in every prediction kind of scenario yeah someone's got to beat him before we stop putting them down yep so there you go that's the western region no surprises to anyone there and we talked enough about Atlanta rain already this episode so we we're free to move on now uh bit more one-sided in the Apec region but as I go back let me re-hype it again if you told me two weeks ago that these teams would go head to head this would be the Giga Banger the two best teams in the Apec region alas as we look at the results no yeah it's it's our language work I'm just sad I'm just sad about the loss of Dallas Fuel and uh their potential the what could have been they could have given us so much entertaining OverWatch and instead it's yeah it's not happening is it I'm really surprised that we didn't see more Dallas like leaning into their style it did if it kind of felt like they weren't really like I don't know maybe they screamed and were like hey this doesn't work we kind of just gotta go in line with what everyone else is doing but yeah I was surprised to see Dallas style brawl or what do you mean or like their Zaya Reaper stuff and like that stuff's work in the past like they played it a tiny bit on I remember what map it was um it started Hollywood I think no it was like started Hollywood but yeah I don't know like it didn't feel like but like a drunker Queen like if junker Queen becomes better then maybe yeah people are doing it against the Winston like that that seems like something that could up be up Dallas's alley right like that's sort of my point is like we know that they weren't going to be world class at this Winston Tracer somber meta like especially the loss of Doha loss of fearless you can't expect Dallas to be able to play their old style so I was surprised that we didn't see them leaning into there so maybe they will or maybe we'll I mean if there's a world where they bring out the Jungle Queen and and you know Russia's like all right they're doing this in N A harman's like the best junker Queen pushway is just going to come out playing Winston it should be a pretty clear match up in terms of what Dallas need to do right so I think if there is a world they're bringing it out it's going to happen this week yeah this is not the mat this is pretty much I'm hoping fuel competitive performance so I can continue my cope train yeah that's all I got going on because I don't expect him to win it in this better apparently all right well then we got one more one final match and the only reason why I brought this match up is because I'm [ __ ] going all again guys I don't give a [ __ ] about the game [ __ ] profit is the best [ __ ] player the game has ever seen void is the greatest the boy didn't even play by the way all right I Seoul Dynasty yeah let's go whoa let's go guys you got this I mean you know what believe it brother I'm I'm think it's fair I would I've made that mistake in the past last year I made that mistake when I went all in on the Smurf heads and um oh yeah the Smurf heads that was a far more serendipitous and you know lucrative roster potentially than the current roster of the Soul Dynasty so I wish you luck going down the Seoul Dynasty Rabbit Hole of believing um and I will never do it again I want to make it clear that I I may have been joking about the Vibes pick earlier but Johnny's not he's going for a full Vibe stick yeah yeah there's no other way you could there's no other way you could justify this unless it's a Vibes pick Prophet is gonna [ __ ] on Jimmy you heard it here first what there is ain't no way you think that food Prophet is gonna come anywhere close to my king Jimmy you [ __ ] get all right that's I hope that Jimmy takes a poo on the soul dicey profits [ __ ] wash I'm going all in now by the way every week every week Johnny talks about the charge fans and how vindictive they are and now they're going to screenshot this and come after you this week real hard I don't care Villa North [ __ ] it's a villain Ark I don't care come after me Queen ask me make sure you follow my Twitter while you're at it but yeah meet at me oh yeah um no I that's all I don't really have anything else to say I'll pray for the dynasty but yeah do you go uh no but for real credit to the once your choice you look amazing and you know we'll see if they can keep it up but it's looking looking really good economical technological development Zone yeah yeah and it is funny I'll say that it is funny that somehow we've just found this way to truly attach ourselves to Guangzhou charge and the Herbalife um but that's how it goes sometimes I don't know if they still have Herbalife to be honest I don't know they're probably not it's probably not it's probably not moving on um lots of fun segments we missed out on and there were some teams who didn't chat about I I apologize but you know we gotta keep this episode short as it's two hours and 15 minutes long but we could have done more uh to recap this week one but we gotta go I got two meetings coming up so uh apologies for that no worst take of the week this week which I wish I would have done but again we're running out of time so Let's Just Launch herself into Brand's prayer of the week who do we got for brand spread of the week the one person or community that stood out I suppose damn it I feel like I really had a good candidate and it's I'm sort of I have one I would like to put forward okay go ahead that one guy on Reddit who is betting against Bad patchy Mari to see how truly curse bad patchy Mario's I think that is a great uh initiative to see how how truthful this uh bad patchy Mario and how badly she uh they need to be stopped yeah I like that one actually I think that's fun yeah I mean it doesn't make sense though does it because I mean you could give it to we could give it to is the Aki for you know coming through his medical emergency hopefully so it sounds like he's recovering so we should give it to uh Ben best for his fire tweet oh this is an option for the week-ish yeah that does feel that does feel very important for the weekend it was extremely drama-filled tweet there was I could give it to a chatter that when I talked about how um I was talking about how the Toronto Defiance like current like market cap value is worth less than their OverWatch League buy-in and he's like because I was like their Market Cap's like 14 million Canadian and then someone's like 40 million Canadians weigh more than 20 million us and I'm like whoa I was like well I don't know where to begin with this one well that's like the defining factor of people who just come in with the most heinous takes about that one but the best one's probably been best yeah I I feel so I I feel like yeah I mean it's not only for the Tweet but the fact that Ben bus made it back and it's looking amazing in the overus league so you know creative invest it's been a long journey and now he's popping off and he's he he had that he had that tweet and drafts for two years so you know I respect it yeah respect all right Ben best friends prayer of the week uh congratulations Ben best week one of the 23 season um I do want to say as well uh no members q a this week but we'll return to that next week and uh keep it going regularly so that's going to be it for uh Patrick OverWatch episode 176. thank you son everything was awesome vote finally of the week oh but you know what you're right yeah yeah no [ __ ] well we can't go back now sorry next week it's locked in once we put once we turn all the keys it's like the nuclear football you know like Solomon was probably the the person I was thinking of and then just escaped me like oh yeah right we have a producers Solomon yeah thank you so much Solomon uh incredible work this week and uh thank you guys for a great episode um I will forward this video to the OverWatch devs about our life Weaver suggestions maybe we get the horizontal pedal platform thing it's gonna be great uh all right thank you so much everybody and we'll see you next week for another episode of hot chat

Channel: Plat Chat

Views: 58,660

Keywords: plat chat, sideshow, reinforce, bren, overwatch league, avast, custa, jaws, avrl, overwatch 2, overwatch world cup, reinhardt, dva, winston, roadhog, ramattra, doomfist, mercy, lifeweaver, lucio, zenyatta, ana, kiriko, brigitte, moira, baptiste, bastion, echo, genji, hanzo, cassidy, ashe, junkrat, mei, pharah, reaper, sojourn, soldier76, skin review, battle pass, new season, mythic skin, new hero, power rankings, tier list, overwatch pve, new skin, tracer, widowmaker, junker queen, orisa

Id: ROYpniojsTc

Length: 136min 6sec (8166 seconds)

Published: Tue May 02 2023

Reddit Comments

[u/darthnick426]

Apparently SLMN is producing the podcast now. Letsgooooo!

[u/Rinscher]

Ah yes. Outlaws look way worse with Gargoyle... as they touch the Valiant spawn door...

[u/UnknownQTY]

The rare exception to Betteridge’s law of headlines.

[u/YoitsKevo]

I'm a support main, and dropped from D2 to G5 trying to one trick this man. I have 14 hours this season with him so far, and it's painful trying to get anything accomplished with him.

I don't want to repeat what everyone has already said about what makes him bad, but the one part of Lifeweaver's kit that is the reason you would want to pick him in the first place, Petal Platform, isn't getting any value currently. Life Grip is just a worse "oh shit" button then suzu or immortality because it can only save one person, and there's a good chance you're going to fuck someone over in a pinch yoinking them. Having to charge your heals, and then having a travel time on top of that makes saving people difficult, and having the down time between heal bursts make teammates susceptible to burst damage; and since you constantly have to charge your heal you're never able to deal damage (not even going to get in to how the needler is bad in it own right).

In his current state, he's a worse Mercy. His gameplay loop is trying to give his DPS an advantage while trying to evade the enemy team and keep your team alive. The entire point of picking Lifeweaver is to get your team places they can't normally get with Petal Platform, and save ONE person after they hard dive with Life Grip. You really can't blame your team for not using the platforms though, there's zero incentive to as it stands.

I honestly think a lot of his issues could be fixed with making his heal charge passively instead of actively, so you would be spending a majority of your time shooting the needler and sending out 65 hp heal bursts ever 1-1.5 secs. As well as petal platform giving 25 burst healing upon activation, and 25 hp per sec healing on the platform for its duration. Just some thoughts.

[u/epicnerd427]

Weaver seems to just not have a way to actually win the fight for his team. He can save one person from feeding one time per fight and on maps with high grounds (but not really tall ones!) he can help you get up there... but most of those maps you would be playing someone who either can contest from range or get to high ground with their own cooldowns. His ult is awful and his weapon does no damage. He is fairly good at healing but at that point who cares? He needs something that isnt healing that he provides his team consistently.

I think the best route is buffing the tree to not be complete garbage. You can live with a healbot character if he had a win-condition ult but tree is the weakest support ult rn. Im not entirely sure how to make it not useless, though. Just giving the tree more healing output doesnt make it fun or interesting, since with more healing it just becomes a trans that can't move. I cant think of any other way to make it good, though.

I do also want to call attention to Custa's note that before Weaver was in comp, there were no legit throw picks. IMO Hog and Junkrat were the weakest but in my lobbies (GM5 rn), those two heroes werent so weak I felt like it was a throw. Good hog players can still get picks (its a lot harder, but good hogs find a way) and rat has some merit on maps with a lot of tight spaces where he can spam, so there is merit to the picks. The devs were genuinely doing a really good job of making sure none of the characters in the game felt useless. Genuine shoutout to the devs for that, very impressed.

[u/kafkaesquepariah]

Small things they can do right now:

- revert that idiotic auto reload nerf. Who gives compensation nerfs to a hero that is struggling as is?

- pink parts of his backflower to take no damage , similar how glowy parts of mercy wings dont take damage. I absolutely hate when hitboxes dont match visuals, but he needs something

- flower auto charges to max heal while he doing damage - there is absolutely no reason why he can't react to someone needing healing like any other support can at a moments notice if they are within his range.

- Increase mag size on thorns. I mean if hey want him to spam as self defense, let him spam.

I also personally think the community exaggerates how bad he is. he is certainly no dead weight, when he plays well. and he shines vs. mei, rein and zarya. But he does need something to help him out, and he certainly cannot be played vs. sombra. and struggled vs. d.va/ but consider that that those who didn't buy a battlepass are JUST coming around to unlock him. so you're seeing a second wave of first time players as well.

[u/plentytofthoughts]

Has anyone been watching Dafran’s Lifeweaver streams? Some of the stuff he does is pretty amazing and looks like such a fun hero, but there’s only so much you can do. No carry potential at all.

[u/12kkarmagotbanned]

Just buff hp to compensate for the hitbox

[u/LopezThePesado]

my wacky LW buff idea is make thorns apply a dot after you hit someone with a certain amount