Leftist Woman Asks Shapiro If He's Transphobic

so you've come out against the writers in Charlottesville and all their violence and bigotry the leaders of the Charlottesville rally were empowered by the rhetoric and agenda of Donald Trump and a lot of his associates as they've come out the vice documentary and claimed you've not only said controversial things but you've had a couple attacks against the trans community transphobic attacks even your call for the transfer of Palestinians which I don't know if you've read acted that ya rejected that like eight nine years ago but even with that do you feel that a lot of your speech could incite the same kind of violence I mean you heard my speech tonight do you feel in my speech couldn't say violence I mean I mean that I mean that seriously honestly I feel that it for me as an individual isn't but I could see how a lot of your points I really disagreed with I literally have a list of and this and that's fine I mean that's the good part right where we disagree and we can have a conversation was wondering in terms of and what I mean by inciting violence is encouraging the same people who believe in like your transphobic beliefs even that like homophobia is a sin based on your religious beliefs do you believe that because of what you say you can encourage a lot of people to act on those so I have a very strong standard with regard to incitement and I'm very consistent about this if I'm not telling somebody to commit violence I am NOT inciting them to violence I've held the standard for Barack Obama when he was saying anti police things and then somebody went shot up some police officers in Dallas I said it's not Barack Obama's fault when a Bernie Sanders supporter went and shot up a congressional baseball game I said that's not Bernie Sanders his fault because Bernie Sanders wasn't calling for that political debate requires that you talk to people and people take your words as what they mean not as an excuse to go and do violence I have never called for violence nor would I as far as the idea that my words are some sort of attack a violent attack for example on folks who are transgender my view I know but I'm responding to the people who are not you who might say that okay so so the idea that I am transphobic for example this is this is a bizarre kind of attack in the sense that I don't know that I've ever exhibited phobia of Fran people I'm not afraid of trans people is more along the lines of disagree against so I think that I think that yeah I actually I actually think that your first characterization was right I think the transphobia is really disagreement with the basic principle that the trans community is trying to prove a which is that people's sex is malleable that people can move from male to female and that it is my job objectively to now call them the name they wish to be called and to teach my children that men can be women and women can be men I fundamentally disagree with that point now with that said is everybody in the United States entitled to the same right of course but you're right does not extend to forcing me to call you what you want me to call you that's not the way this works that violates my freedom of speech so in interpersonal relationships if I were out to dinner with a trans person when I make a point of noting their proper biological sex no because that would be impolite when I'm talking about the general principle of is a man a woman or as a woman a man the answer is I will say that a man is a man and a woman is a woman and he is a he and if she is a she and if I'm in a public debate with somebody I always say the same thing I wasn't trying to say disagreement I was relating it to the same definition of homophobia which is presidents or presidents or I tried to say discrimination right I think that again homophobia there there are some people who actively there are some people who actively want to do violence to people who are gay right I mean though those people are not me or anybody that I agree with obviously I've never at any point in my entire career ever advocated violence god forbid against anybody in a civilized society that's not something that I believe them and I think it's evil as far as as far as I think again your original definition of transphobia actually is better applied here as well I think it's disagreement with certain principles that the homosexual community I wish is - I know and I'm saying and I'm saying and I'm saying that I agree with your original definition and not your and not your definition so they so the definition they write so and I think that definition is wrong and I think that the one that you Freudian slipped was right I'm saying based on like the institution of I don't want to see the institution of Google because that's an extremely gentle thing to say but in terms of as soon as you search transphobia homophobia this is what kind of right and I think feel like even though you're disagreeing with transphobic with with the trans community which I believe we all have our own disagreements I'm asking do you feel that the fact that with your disagreement you're inherently through the institutions that have provided these definitions discriminating against trans community and I'm saying I'd say nice encouraging so here's what I'm saying I disagree whether either their definition is wrong or it's overly broad in its application so if the idea is that if I say a man is a man and a woman as a woman is inherently transphobic that's not discrimination that's disagreement if they say that's discrimination they're overly applying I don't know I think when you say like they're mentally ill like that well get some Trent I have said and I will continue to maintain the gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder whichever DSM you choose to use is a mental illness and that and again and again god forbid that it should be set with any animus because this is not said with animus when people are suffering these are clearly folks who are suffering when people are suffering you shouldn't be saying stuff with animus I'm not saying that as a gotchu to people who are transgender the point that I'm making is that when a society begins treating folks who have mental illness as though they are representing an objective reality they are doing no service to the people who actually suffer from a mental illness my grandfather suffered from schizophrenia paranoid schizophrenia he was institutionalized if the doctors had said to him Nate you're fine we believe that the radio is actually talking to you that is not a service to him that would that have been terrible for him all right they put him in an institution they gave him lithium and it helped now I'm not saying there's even a great solution for folks who have gender identity disorder or gender dysphoria because the solutions that I've seen including transgender surgery are not intensely effective from all the studies that I've seen it's a tragic tragic situation but the solution is not to redefine as a society what sex means along anti biological lines as far as the homophobia point it's my own religious belief about the sinful nature of particular people's behavior should have no impact on how you act in in a free country or how you think it's a free country do what the hell you want right there's religious Ben which is what I think is sinful which is Jews who violate Sabbath right Jews who eat shellfish all right there's a lot of things that we think are sinful in Judaism right and then there's the stuff where do what you want cuz it's a free country I think people do a lot of sinful stuff all the time and I'm not calling the monitor I think the people who are living together outside of marriage are sending according to my traditional religious beliefs it's a free country do what you want so when people say homophobia I think what they are doing is saying you disagree with me I've never called for violence and not only that I'm in favor of legalization of same-sex marriage in the sense I want the government completely out of marriage right I don't want the government in the marriage business at all so so it's very so the I think that what bothers me is when folks assume that a disagreement means that they can ascribe animus anger hatred wish for violence to me well the Charlottesville riders were garbage people I mean I did two full episodes on how garbage the Charlie Wright I mean this has been really great actually I have this yeah but I think I was the number one target of the all right in 2016 accordingly anti-defamation but what I what I what I really wanted to understand was because you have such a large platform I mean even through Twitter through social media through your website through your just all your work like do you not claim I don't know of any particular cases where someone has said ben shapiro told me to literally go murder a trans person or someone who and if they did they would be lying yeah I just wait and if they did they would be lying and I would think that in again anybody who commits acts of violence or evil in my name is a violent evil person and I hold that santur for everyone but they I really appreciate you coming out it really means a lot to me thank you

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Keywords: Ben Shapiro, USC, Daily Wire, YAF, transsexual, gay rights, LGBTQ, transphobic, Conservative, Liberal, Progressive, sexuality

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Length: 8min 36sec (516 seconds)

Published: Fri Oct 05 2018