Kevin Smith Slid Into My DMs, How to Manifest Success | Logically Speaking Ep. 3

your voice is your currency in this life man uh the prism through which you see things uh that is uniquely [ __ ] yours and that voice is [ __ ] valuable because somebody out there is waiting for that [ __ ] currency to spend it on your [ __ ] behalf they dream about you in this business man just like they dream about you in his [ __ ] business they dream about the person that ain't done the thing that's been done before and they've not met you yet you are their best [ __ ] hope cuz they've not heard your story yet your story hasn't been told but you have to be honest and say the [ __ ] thing nobody's ever said before and you can do it it doesn't take guts you have no [ __ ] Choice what's up guys it's logic hey what's up guys what's up what's up guys it's logic you all hear me is this what you [Music] want hello everybody I'm logic this is logically speaking and and I am here with a dear friend first and foremost uh incredible source of inspiration a man who was there for me when my dad wasn't a man who really needs no introduction but I have to introduce you because this is a podcast um writer director executive producer amazing father loving husband son brother those are important titles no ever throws out there the amazing Kevin Smith welcome dude logically speaking is a [ __ ] great title thank you how long it take you to come up with that like 12 12 seconds maybe 28 it's funny it was my first thing that I wanted to do and then I was like no that's kind of lame logically Speak oh my God no it totally [ __ ] works and it makes a lot of sense we can curse right [ __ ] yes [ __ ] yes um first things first how are you doing today I was good man I'm pulled between a bunch of different things uh I recently I went crazy right back in January so I went to a mental health facility uh out in the desert called Sierra Tucson where they helped me find my marbles again um but uh when I was in there the big thing was like you got to put yourself first that's what they kept trying to teach me I was like that's all I [ __ ] do I wake up and I'm unlike my father I don't have to be like what do I got to do today I'm like what do I want to do today and then I think of a thing and I do a thing and they're like that's what you do Kevin like you know you got to put yourself first never mind uh the character you play never mind the work that you do what about your authentic self so the big push while I was in there was like you you really have to make time for yourself and it was a tough concept to get my head around because I felt like that's all I ever did was soak up everybody else's time um and and so while I was there I was like when I get out I got to slow down and then when I got out that did not happen at all that's what we all say I told these guys that I was like I took a week off couple weeks ago ago and I was like yeah I'm going to do nothing and um I did nothing for six days and and then God said on the seventh day finish this album and I like made an album in like almost a day and then my my producers came and I was like I made an album and they were like yeah no [ __ ] it's kind of crazy how you made up for six days off with one day I think that you know people like ourselves we're so like our work I have a I have a line uh in a song that's not out and it goes uh I'm a workaholic who gets paid to play yeah and so I think with us we love what we do right so very much so it's when somebody allows you or life allows you cuz nobody allows you you kind of make your opportunities for yourself when you get to do whatever it is you dream about doing the [ __ ] that you would do for free if even if you weren't getting paid for it it's very tough to turn that off because you're like there's part of you there's a little bit of fear of like my foot's in the door or I'm in the room I don't want to get get kicked out I want what if I walk away when I was in [ __ ] The Nut House I said uh I said they were like why do you work so much and I was like well I ain't Quenton and they're like what does that mean I was like well Quenton could [ __ ] Quenton Tarantino can make a movie [ __ ] off for 10 years not do anything come back make a movie and people will [ __ ] line up for him again I'm the other guy I was like I got to [ __ ] make sure that I stay [ __ ] relevant cuz my [ __ ] ain't Quon level big and and so I always have to be working otherwise I might not get back in and the trauma therapist goes how do you know that and I was like well I and then I realized I didn't know that she was like that's just something you tell yourself isn't it bro the world would line up I don't know bro if if I don't I don't I'm scared I'm scared there's deep fear in me that like if I step away welcome to the [ __ ] club man I feel you Dude this sh say a guy who made a [ __ ] album after six days off see you know it you feel that [ __ ] fear too it is it is scary and it's different yeah I feel like guys like us We're The Underdogs we have millions of fans all around the world and for whatever reason it's like maybe we hadn't haven't received a certain alalade that we have almost been force-fed systemically to want and have to ask ourselves why or this or that like I feel you but I'm here to tell you that if you [ __ ] off for 10 years day one the line starts to come see your film to come see you day one I want to live in your world where you actually where I could believe that and stuff I feel like I've been I've been doing what I do 30 years professionally now and and I feel like I've been on an external Journey for three decades where success came from outside you know all my validation comes from people being like you're good at what you do I can never validate my own self and just recently within the last few months the journey has become internal where it's less about like the Hallmarks of success and I've done this and I've done this and me and Jay got our Footprints and our handprints and the Gran's Chinese Theater and stuff now it's more about like all right what's inside what's the personal fulfillment that you have not been able to find elsewhere that keeps you up at night that sent you into the [ __ ] booby hatch and stuff like that so yeah it's it's weird I know as we sit here and talk about like we're The Underdogs a bunch of people on the internet like no you're not that's true [ __ ] you but but but I see I think that's I think that's what makes people like us and there's so many out there we work hard we don't feel like it's guaranteed and and and I know that and it can be it is a very very scary feeling bro I woke up the other day and it was like I ain't [ __ ] then I had to look in the mirror and be like no you are enough you are you know like that's a isn't that terrible that's that inner voice that's just like like whoever told you you ain't [ __ ] that makes you say that to yourself like why can't you be kinder to yourself be as kind to yourself as as the biggest [ __ ] fan like every once in a while you meet that fan that comes up to you and they're like you're my guy and I'm like thanks and they're like no like seriously like [ __ ] you're the you're the reason that like I like to do the things I do because if I was you like I would do how you do they play you like an avatar and stuff and in a in the best possible way like the same way you felt about people growing up like someone you were a huge ride or die fan with you have no connectivity to them you've never met that person although now we probably met the people that we lionize but like we invest deeply in people we don't know because they seem to be doing life the way we would do it if we were that person if we were given the opportunity and then now given the opportunities we just work ourselves to the [ __ ] bone man I wound up in that joint because like not only did I burn the candle at both [ __ ] ends over the course of three decades but like then I bought a Candle factory and [ __ ] lit all that [ __ ] and burned that down and like it and it don't stop even though I've now like I I like to say like I'm certainly I didn't go into that place and like now I'm wizened now I'm I'm [ __ ] Yoda when it comes to mental health I'm still at the starting line of this new journey and [ __ ] and even now I Stumble like you know when before I left I was talking to the psychiatrist and there this guy Dr Falk and I was like in here is this perfect world where like you say something and a bunch of people like we support you and they snap their fingers because they can't clap because that could trigger people right oh [ __ ] so like um I said what happens when I get the [ __ ] out of here and he's like well he goes you know how like when you're teaching a kid to ride a bike he's like and you hold the back seat and they feel like you got them but then you're going to let go of that seat and they think you're still behind them and they're pedaling and then they realize you're not holding them and they fall down I was like all right who am I the kid the bike and he goes he goes it's not so much a metaphor about that he's going but only a child Kevin would think that they would learn how to ride a bike on the first try he's like you will [ __ ] fall he's like but then you will get up you'll get back on the bike and you'll [ __ ] pedal and one day this [ __ ] will come naturally to you you won't forget and you won't fall down as much um let's beautiful it is but it's also like really cuz I paid $45,000 for healing you didn't [ __ ] fix me to the point where I could ride a bike I know they just quoted Batman Michael Kane Michael Kane he was like why do we fall down Mr Mr like to pick ourselves up like of a tangerine that's a good one that's a good one you know you saying that how old are you I'm now 52 okay so young man so no no but you're you're mature you're gr how old are you I'm 33 truly young man truly okay I'll I got you so what is that do I got you by 19 years something literally could have been your father you can be my daddy any um no but yeah so but you saying what you said about kind of like figuring it out but also realizing that dayto day you still don't know what the [ __ ] is going on at 52 years old has got to be probably one of the most beautiful and reassuring things while also insanely scary scary indeed because it just lets me know that like it's almost like a child right so I'm uh Harley's how old your daughter 23 she going to be 24 next month so my boy is three almost three and a half and I've noticed especially with children it's like when you think you got it all figured out that's when they they flip on you yeah and I feel that way about life but to see you here balancing that and being so open and honest I try to do that with my friends and the people that I work with like if I'm having a weird day I'm like I got to talk I got to talk a lot of people like to internalize things and keep things inside and at my deepest and darkest days as a professional as a musician it was because I was trying to be perfect I was trying to be the strongest and that in many ways was actually Breaking Me Down it wasn't until I accepted not by any means what I would call weakness but vulnerability accepted that I can't do everything all the time that's when things started to get a little bit easier well think about in your field strength is everything projecting strength is everything one of the things I always loved about rap cuz I was an old school rap kid going way back man like Run DMC oh yeah was where I started um deep because here were two three kids if you count and you have to count Jam Master J of course you who would essentially come out and say we're the kings of rock and you know to the rest of the world like no you're not like Elvis Presley is a king of rock or anybody who's been doing this for years and they had the the self-confidence coming from [ __ ] nowhere coming from Hollis Queens which is somewhere but like coming from a place that they put on [ __ ] map now like they spoke about their inner truth which is that's who I am that's who I how I feel I don't give a [ __ ] what the perception is out there I'm the king of [ __ ] rock and that meant something to a young teenager who was like from literally from nowhere himself from noville [ __ ] New Jersey to see that kind of self-confidence that's when I start that's why I hooked up with rap at such a young age because of that projection of strength and self-confidence wow so in a world where that that hasn't changed raps and and Hip Hop's gone through many permutations and whatnot but still the projection of strength and self-confidence is at the root of every hip-hop artist for you to be like hey there are days where I don't know that's that's SC got to be [ __ ] scary yeah it's terrifying like we had a discussion before we jumped into here and you were talking about feeling like an old man and rapper I'm like what and you were like oh it's a young man's game and I'm like oh my God like it what do you mean but like there's that there's the like you always have to be looking over your shoulder to see who's coming up with a [ __ ] hot 16 that's [ __ ] better than yours or whatever the [ __ ] so you have to project that [ __ ] strength and that self-confidence it's a part of the story it's part of the game to be vulnerable and say like some days I get up and I think I'm [ __ ] some days I look in the mirror and I I'm I'm not [ __ ] king of rock I [ __ ] I doubt myself on every [ __ ] level that's true strength like could you imagine if that were to communicate and that's what you're doing man thank you I you know I it means a lot that especially coming from you that you would say that to me because the guy who made yoga hosers said that fire I feel like um I feel like there isn't a lot of voices at 33 in hipop talk like dude I have a song called Dad bod I'm pretty sure I'm the first to ever do that you know what I mean it's like to to you're dad and you got a B that makes sense thank you uh I feel like it really is super important to um discuss and open about what makes us feel vulnerable or mental health or these things you know especially because it had been so taboo until especially in hip-hop until around the time of like 1 1800 and it was like opening up the conversation but even then I think um you know I I really love Kanye West a lot like that dude his music is amazing he's definitely said and done some wild [ __ ] but I really this man like one of the things that he showed me uh through his art art is a lot of people uh would look at Kanye and say like oh he's an arrogant [ __ ] and d d da cuz he like jump on a table and be like I'm the [ __ ] listen to this and he but he's really just his biggest fan you know and and I felt that way Affleck of rap if you will yeah where I felt like I wasn't enough or I wasn't this or I wasn't that so I felt the need to almost scream it from the top of my lungs or put it in my art on purpose and so it doesn't matter if if you're rund DMC or logic or Eminem or Kendrick Lamar I think one thing that's really crazy is we all and not just those of us in entertainment given the world that we live in with social media we all there's so many people could feel great one day and go wow they look in the mirror and they go I feel good or I could go man I love this album I'm so proud of this album I can't wait to put it out and then if you have a bunch of people being like this sucks or you're ugly or you're this or you're that that almost Inception of negativity it's it can be a scary thing and this is why I personally have stepped away from uh social media personally I'm still there I still like to talk presence but you're not necessarily like you don't use it to validate Your Existence where every day you wake up while you're taking a [ __ ] going what do they say about me that's how I'm going to feel about myself you've been able to disconnect from that maintain your presence for you know [ __ ] sales for business to be able to like tell people when a thing is dropping and whatnot but it's not how you define yourself like now how you define yourself is like artist husband father real [ __ ] things as opposed to like how do you define me that's how I'll Define myself think about this man like rund DMC and I I keep harping back on runmc people are like oh my God [ __ ] how old are you I'm very old 52 but those cats never had to deal with they could go out there and say I'm the king of rock and they didn't have the whole world going like no you're not and here's a thousand reasons why because social media existed they got to come up in an age without social media it was print media if anything it was like and they had to wait a month to say some negative [ __ ] to them and what's really crazy is cuz we live in a world nowadays both whether it's film but especially in music we like an album is out for an hour and complex already wrote the whole yeah they they wrote the whole thing they said all the thing nobody got me they said that they said the whole uh whatever they feel about it and a lot of it is like uh herd mentality sheet mentality of like oh this cool guy who has you know 50,000 followers just said this track s wasn't that good yeah yeah I I feel that way and it kind of becomes this now you know clerks came out when' 93 '94 '94 there was no social media at that point I know but if there was I wouldn't I honestly wouldn't be the person I am today because somebody would have been like that ain't all that I sit around and say [ __ ] with my friends and it's [ __ ] black and white what is this Citizen Cane or Schindler's List and they would have reduced it and that's the thing it's like this world reduces literally everything you do you can make a [ __ ] miracle happen and somebody or a bunch of people out there will reduce it to nothing there's this YouTuber named Mr Beast yeah oh my God this guy gets like 45 million hits literally yeah hundreds and he [ __ ] he went to like some place in the world and like helped people he like cured blindness like he like helped people see again and people were like [ __ ] that guy like that's you could it's it's literally insane so a question and it's important to know why that happens now I'm not going to just say like all people are jealous so they [ __ ] say that [ __ ] there are some people who legitimately feel like [ __ ] Mr Beast for curing blindness like they it's not it's not because they had a dark past or they had a bad day that's just inherently who they are but the Lion Share of people who will go negative it's a game like it's basically a bunch of people like I'm going to say the worst [ __ ] thing we live in an age of hecklers yeah where it's like whoever gets the worst [ __ ] dig out there they win that hour not even that day that week that month that year that [ __ ] hour we've reduced [ __ ] [ __ ] everything down to moments and if a [ __ ] who has a job that he can't stand or a life they don't like can win that [ __ ] Moment by taking somebody like me or you down a thousand pegs or even one [ __ ] Peg that's the best it's going to be for them that week that year that [ __ ] sad and that's something that's made me kind of be like yo this is this is deeper than me like our biggest haters really love us like even if they're like I hate this I hate this but like you're watching you're reading the script you're listening to the album you're do you're all you are you are consumed and we are so [ __ ] awesome at what we do and are such Staples in our craft godamn it that they have to talk about us because if they don't they're lame all I want to do is fight you on we are great at what we do cuz I'm like you are great at what you do I want to diminish myself I watched this documentary on cream while I was on the [ __ ] airplane cream used to be this rock and roll magazine that was like kind of the harder edged Rolling Stone so Rolling Stone was more mainstream cream was like talking about bands doing so with like titty pictures in the book and a real [ __ ] attitude it was like the internet before the internet and so if you've ever seen that movie Almost Famous of course Philip Seymour Hoffman played a guy called Lester bangs Lester bangs was like their lead [ __ ] critic and this dude would write the most poisonous [ __ ] Pros on the planet and [ __ ] now mind you he couldn't do it every second he would do it month by month but this was a dude who like loved Lou Reed and then wrote the worst [ __ ] about Lou Reed after Lou Reed wasn't with the Velvet underground anymore and you could tell that it came from a place like he loved the guy but he hated the guy imagine the whole world now has the ability to be Lester bangs and everybody has a [ __ ] platform to tell you how good you are and then take it all away tell tell you how bad you are and really there's more clicks in telling you how bad you are you don't get [ __ ] a bunch of clicks of somebody's like you know what I [ __ ] like this guy people like whatever man I'm gonna find that [ __ ] negative thing because who will read that are the people who agree with the negativity and the people who are don't agree with the negativity who are positive on you cuz they're like who would [ __ ] say that let me see this and so bam it just gets attention and attention and attention I one of the best things ever happened in this world in my lifetime was absolutely the internet because it connected us and if you were able to find like-minded individuals you never would have found in your life I grew up in an age of pen pals like this is like pen pals to the billionth degree but one of the worst things that ever happened in my existence was also the [ __ ] internet same cuz it just gave voice to a bunch of people who have a lot of toxicity in them and again I don't want to just dismiss it as like these all these people are toxic everyone's going through a [ __ ] thing everyone so even the people who are like saying hateful [ __ ] they're going through a [ __ ] thing and so as a human being I feel for him man like I don't want to I don't want to diminish those people as well I I've read this book recent I didn't read it I had it read to me I listened to it on Audible and it was called the courage to be disliked and the in the book The it's set up like a dialogue between a philosopher and a student and it's summed up toward the end of the book with like this these three sentences which I absolutely [ __ ] love and now try to put into practice every day which is if I change the world will change no one will change the world for me and it comes down to that if you see [ __ ] that you don't like in life you see social media that you I can't stand it's like you change then the world around you will change and hopefully that ripples down because no one is ever going to change the world for you nobody's ever going to come in there and be like you know what yall are right all this social media is toxic so I'm going to fix it like [ __ ] Superman and Superman for a Quest for Peace when he was like I'm going to take all the nuclear weapons throw them in the [ __ ] Sun that will never happen Superman don't [ __ ] exist but if we change if you change if I change then the world changes because no one will change the world for us so you're saying you're Superman no I'm one man I'm saying it you're a Superman I'm saying I'm saying I'm super comma man that's it hey what's up guys it's logic here and I just wanted to tell you that this podcast is brought to you by betterhelp betterhelp offers affordable and convenient online therapy on a schedule that works for you I'm clearly reading off camera because I want to make sure that you guys get every piece of information possible it's the same Professional Service you'd get from an in-person therapist but with the option to communicate when and how you want by chat phone or video call getting started is easy just go to their site and fill out a brief question question ER then they'll match you with a licensed therapist based on your needs and preferences if you don't find the right match the first time don't worry you can switch therapist anytime for no additional charge go to betterhelp.com logic to get your first month of therapy for free now I really mean it this is important this is special seek it out if you need it these people are truly here for you they've been there for me ask your question um I was going to say first of all you just put it beautifully cuz I also I I agree and and I resonate with so much of of what you're saying and I think a big thing that um was cuz now I'm really I'm in a much better place and I'm not you know uh made of steel but for the most part now when somebody says some [ __ ] I'm just like H you are you you you're definitely you're right you're not made of steel but you are definitely one of the healthiest [ __ ] I've ever met in my life oh wow um when I was in [ __ ] the nut housee and [ __ ] Bobby was like texting me all the time giving me [ __ ] strength one of the few people I told at the time that I was and I we barely knew each other we made a music video together and [ __ ] but we had a really tight connection and [ __ ] so when he was like where you at I was like uh I don't know how to say this but I went crazy he was there with support all the time love and support man like very like you're in the right [ __ ] place cuz the alternative is [ __ ] dark and stuff like that so you are definitely one of the healthier individuals and and dare I say one of the healthiest individuals I know that being said none of us are [ __ ] perfect so you too succumb sometimes to like why did I have to say that yeah and like you know I look at you and you're at the top of your [ __ ] game and have been since you were a [ __ ] child and to see that even you a master of the universe can still also feel like God damn it that hurt that's meaningful and that's meaningful for a bunch of [ __ ] people you have to keep putting it in your work Bobby because at the end of the day there are a bunch of people who look to you to be entertained but figure out who the [ __ ] they are and if you're if you could tell those people that it's okay to be [ __ ] hurt it's okay to be [ __ ] vulnerable it's even I somebody like you can feel that [ __ ] way you normalize it for a bunch of people who would normally have to be like no I gotta be strong I gotta be [ __ ] strong we were raised in a generation I was of like you know people were like I'll give you something to [ __ ] cry about so you didn't talk about vulnerability at all um and then you know when I got into the business it was all about you could you got to [ __ ] make it fake it until you can make it and [ __ ] like that and that mindset persists like for people who aren't even in our industry and [ __ ] fake it until you could [ __ ] make it it's important that people understand you can break everybody [ __ ] breaks Tom Hanks breaks yeah I don't know why I chose him but everyone seems to love Tom heck yeah he's the goat he's great but like even Tom ha Tom Hax just did an interview recently where he's like look sometimes I'm an [ __ ] on set and the whole world was like cuz we all count on him to be the voice of reason and [ __ ] but he's like look I'm a human being man we're all human beings we're all figuring this [ __ ] out like nobody got the [ __ ] key nobody got the the [ __ ] cheat sheet or the cheat codes that let you know what's what um and we're all figuring out bit by bit that we live in the past and we live in the future nobody [ __ ] lives in this moment right now because in the past you sit there and dwell on the [ __ ] you said yesterday why did I do that why didn't they react better to that I said hi to that person they didn't say hi back what the [ __ ] is wrong what did I do and [ __ ] like that and then we live in the future because we're so terrified of what's to come we fret over what's to [ __ ] come because we live in those two places that means we abandon the here and now and this is the only [ __ ] place to be we got no control over the [ __ ] past man the past is the past and it happened it's fiction at this point because it's behind us we have zero control over the [ __ ] future we have no changeability over either of these things nobody knows what's going to [ __ ] happen next the only thing we have right now this sound py as [ __ ] but I got this when you're in the mental hospital they give you all these little sayings and [ __ ] we have the present and that's why it's it's called the present because it's a [ __ ] gift you don't know that you get tomorrow no [ __ ] no day is Promised man like I just had this beautiful little do that I had for 18 years healthy as [ __ ] man I thought this [ __ ] make it to 20 and then my wife told me she's like she died in her sleep and I'm like what the [ __ ] like and the dog before she left reminded me that no day is [ __ ] promis I thought I'd have [ __ ] two more years watch this dog wind down and [ __ ] like that but no out she [ __ ] went tomorrow out we could [ __ ] go so why bother [ __ ] spending time thinking about like what might happen when you have no control over that it's a [ __ ] fictional narrative if you're going to write a fictional narrative you're going to sit there and be like well this might happen and this might happen and [ __ ] that's [ __ ] all Make Pretend if you're going to make up [ __ ] make up good [ __ ] at least if you're going to pretend like you know what the future is be like you know what maybe [ __ ] tomorrow I [ __ ] you know the aliens come and declare me [ __ ] King give me billions of dollars and [ __ ] that's as viable as like the negative [ __ ] that we write about ourselves so in a world where we have no control of that direction and that direction that way is depression and this way is anxiety all you have is right now and right now we're sitting here having a [ __ ] conversation man we don't know what happens tomorrow and we do know what happened in the past but we can't change that this is beauty there's truth right here what the [ __ ] is wrong with this nothing but everyone spends their time up there and back there if we can impart anything to anybody listening be here be now man nothing's wrong in this [ __ ] moment nothing do they get do they give out pulitzers for podcast guests this [ __ ] is Yo thank you if they did that in a dollar would get you a copy of USA Today maybe wow man that that um thank you for that it's important that you know that what you're doing means something and you you know [ __ ] when you put out the 1800 song think about how many lives you [ __ ] saved just by putting out a beat yeah thank you you know what I'm saying like just you you look you have you have no choice but to create music it's in your [ __ ] soul you created a piece of music not only made people be like hiy ho but also [ __ ] saved lives how many people can make that [ __ ] claim now some piece of art is always the piece of art that saves somebody's [ __ ] life but you literally put information out there that save lives not one person going this is the song that I go to when I feel sad and [ __ ] you gave people information they didn't [ __ ] have like practical information to the point where didn't the government be like you did a thing Congress yeah Congress wrote me a letter and was like Congress can't can't get together on anything [ __ ] and they got together to be like you know what he [ __ ] saved lives thank you man yeah that was a special time in my life and uh speaking of that um I was uh with rain Wilson recently and I had a he just wrote a book about spirituality Soul boom it's sitting right over there actually I should have got him to sign it look how many copies he gave you I know he could have made it to eBay though made it out to eBay so um you need the money look at this fireplace yeah look at this AI generated fireplace it's pretty true man this is chat we're just in the middle of a chat GPT we're not even saying this [ __ ] the internet's making it up for us yo real talk though yes I feel like with that song in specific like there was a time where I like was [ __ ] sick of it because it's like you know everywhere I go yeah it's just it's just it's just death and death and death but also life but hard times and this and and I'm doing the song all the time all the time and people are like it's the suicide guy and like and I was just like [ __ ] this [ __ ] like like and I loved everything it stood for love everything it stands for but it was just became so almost overbearing that this is all I was known as and then you take a little break and you and I now I go oh my God if there was ever anything to be remembered for you know its mental health and and providing uh an opportunity for people to find some sense of relief now you're allowed to be human about that [ __ ] too you're allowed to be like what the [ __ ] tired of hearing about that [ __ ] this is a human [ __ ] reaction man so you allowed yourself that Humanity but you also were able to Circle back to it and be like you know what yeah that [ __ ] like that is a legacy and I'm a young goddamn man in this art in this art form and I have a [ __ ] Legacy that some people would kill [ __ ] half at this point remember [ __ ] Leonard nemoy played Mr Spock for years and years and years at one point he wrote a [ __ ] live long in Prosper kids at one point he wrote a book that he was like I am not Spock and then years later he wrote a book where he goes I am Spock oh [ __ ] like he he came around to it as well everyone gets sick of what they do man like I you know I will be honest though I've never got sick of being the clerks guy I [ __ ] loved it it's the thing that like I'm sure they'll put it on My Grave he made [ __ ] clerks and he never stopped talking about yeah it's like me being biracial I just always talk about it it's it's in the music it's in the words you say I know but I love it I love me it's important wait I'm sorry you're biracial I am kidding I am it's a it's a welcome to the what is it eight years now this joke has been going on it's fantastic you took [ __ ] on it recently for the Ice Cube cover correct yeah which is funny everybody's all like what the [ __ ] and blah blah when they ask if you're like where's your 23 and me prove it yeah literally you know what's so funny is my dad um my dad after he had me did two things he got a paternity test what the [ __ ] and then he got a visectomy which is hilarious and oh my God so that's it 30 years later he had a baby what happened he reversed it no just it just was One in the Chamber just popped out but the funny thing of you of talking about the The Ice Cube thing so for those of you out there who live on Mars and maybe didn't see this I covered ice cubes today was a good day which was really funny bold and uh yeah but I was like who gives a [ __ ] this is good music and we're just drumming guitars and having fun like so it was funny to see a lot of people be like this shit's awesome it's fun look at logic you don't give a [ __ ] he's just having a good time and then there's other people like you don't do that you don't cover the so and meanwhile Ice Cube's like keep being you brother good [ __ ] like you know what I mean and it's like it's like what now wait a second if you feel like an old man in hip-hop in rap yeah how old is Ice Cube I mean he's got to 50 something but I mean is he so so is he like a Mount Rushmore figure at this point for sure 100% how many people you think are on the hip-hop Mount Rushmore it's a lot of [ __ ] it's like Mount Rush the club like it's a club it's like a whole like you in a club where there's a DJ there and everybody's Made of Stone like Medusa I'm going to ask you a very real question do you feel you're on that Mount Rushmore at this point of course not I think yeah no definitely not I think that I I'm one of the biggest rappers in history without a doubt I know that I am that doesn't put you on Mount Rushmore yet no because I'm 33 you just talked about your legacy [ __ ] song I know but there's it's different it's a it's a culture it's my culture I love it um but we all got to wait we take our turn we it is what it is because I also if I'm being completely honest I don't really give a [ __ ] like for like I've learned that I want to be on Mount Rush more I don't want to be on the rap Mount Rushmore I don't want to be on the film Mount Rushmore I don't want to be this I just want to be on Mount Rushmore I want to be remembered for me like I know I can rap I know I've got hits I've got billions of dreams I got PL and I can sit here and say all this it's like none of that is what people will remember me by they're going to remember me for my message for the love that I put out in the world and if it's a Mount Rushmore and it's just one me there in my own world floating on an asteroid you know through the universe that is all I could ever need yeah that validation was something that I always used to want yeah I wanted to be on the Mount Rushmore of rap but it's like also like what does that even mean it's like what does that even mean bro I have I have accomplished more in this career than some of the biggest rappers that maybe had a year or two here what I don't know man and I'm not here to compare myself to them or they to me which I used to do what I'm here to do is just clap for them and be happy about you know my brothers because I used to be full of envy and jealousy coming up like how come his streams does this and how come he and how come and how come because that's what the [ __ ] internet does and it makes us just pits us against each other and it's like oh but my the algorithm isn't working for the likes on this and all this [ __ ] and it's just like bro my baby's healthy my wife's hot my dick works I'm blessed enough to financially be stable and I have friends who love me what the [ __ ] why do I did I even give a [ __ ] about that and sometimes it still pops up you know I could see somebody I love like Kendrick and I'm like damn he just killed it now I got to and it's like no Bob clap for this man that you love you don't got to try to out RP anybody dude just make art for your fans and for yourself that's the illusion that there's a ladder and that there are those above us and those below us but there is no [ __ ] ladder we're all on the same plane and there may be people ahead of us and people behind us but we're not in a [ __ ] race everybody is on their own s single [ __ ] journey and the only thing you may have in common is like oh we do a similar thing for a living but it there is no comparison everybody's [ __ ] journeying alone and how you gauge where you are in your journey is not against [ __ ] others because nobody is having the exact same [ __ ] Journey that you're having so you get to gauge for yourself you don't get to [ __ ] look at Kendrick Lamar and go like where am I in this thing he's in his journey you're in your journey and mostly I would say 95% of the time it sounds like you know that you understand that then the other 5% of the time you're a human being that's like wait what and then it goes away yeah yeah yeah but couldn't we say the same thing about you and Quinton we could but I don't believe that look that's for smarter people no you're crazy yeah I I don't know forever well I mean look I don't even compare myself to Quenton he's on definitely on his journey and stuff but when I use him as an example it just feels like there are people who like win no matter what and don't I'm not saying he don't have to work he works [ __ ] hard I know what you mean though it's almost where it feels like obviously people like him Drake like they're so good at what they do it's always quality yeah but sometimes I feel like they could just like put something out that's just like fun not even thinking about it and it'll still do you know whatever and I feel like sometimes I feel like for me a person like myself I'm like no I have to fight with every release with every piece of art you sweat over every word yeah but also that's my journey yeah you know what I'm saying and that's dope and when I hear you know a Drake song that inspires me to want to be better or when I hear watch a Tarantino film like bro I cried at the end of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood so let me tell you a story okay so once upon a time so this is like 2019 bro so 2018 I'm on top of the world when 800 comes out then I do songs with marshmallow and this and that and then I do uh I got the record with Eminem and I drop an album called Confessions of a dangerous mind I love this album I love it it was a special time I went to Japan like I did all these things and I was so sure I was like this is it this is going to Mount Rushmore me this is the one this [ __ ] album is going to be the best thing in the world and then I put it out and everyone like [ __ ] on it they were like this [ __ ] like within 30 minutes they were like this is the like it's an hour ALB what was the chief complaint overall chief complain it was just like logic sold out logic's trying to make trap mus like just dumb [ __ ] that doesn't matter and it's I'm not the first they've done this to they've done it to a lot of people and the same with film right it could be like oh the first was a classic but the second the second whatever and so like me I realized that even though I thought like that it was going to blow up and then it didn't um it's actually my most successful album it has you know billions of streams and it's one of the biggest things um that I've ever done but once it was once it had come out um that's actually what made me want to retire which I did for like three days but it it was it was a thing inside of me where like the the internet like I was just so on it all the time and then I started to realize I was I was looking for all of my worth on what other people were saying and then so the funny thing is is that I was like oh yeah you guys yeah whatever like I'm making commercial music like I had this chip on my shoulder for the first time in 15 years I wrote pen to pad instead of on my phone and I did a whole album called no pressure and it was my retirement album and it's [ __ ] did like a quarter million units in the first week and it's celebrated and like it was funny cuz I was like I'm out and in a way I got my flowers like everybody was like wow like there was this moment when I was like damn like radio personalities DJs rappers musicians even complex people were like man this is great good for you he's out and he went out on a hot not he stuck the landing yeah but was it weird then to be like I'm not done yet well the thing that made me feel this way was once upon a time in Hollywood so I go see once upon a time in Hollywood and for those of you who haven't seen it you're a [ __ ] idiot last half hour of that movie is [ __ ] astounding so I watch this and I feel like Rick Dalton I feel like this guy who had a Heyday who was once on top of the world and he's still Rick [ __ ] Dalton he's still that guy he's still living in the Hollywood Hills he's still this he's still that but he has become the heavy he has realized that like he's the guy who doesn't really beat up the the he's not the star that beats up the bad guy anymore he's become that he's become this almost b-rated television star and I'm like crying I'm like like I'll Cry Sometimes in Tarantino films and your films and it's but it's always more like dialogue and like the score and like all this other [ __ ] this resonated with me cuz I was like I am a [ __ ] failure I no I mean I was like I am a failure they hate this one of the most successful people you'll ever meet felt like a failure I mean utterly like I'm S I was I was sitting on a lot of money I sitting on a lot of accolades I mean I'm selling out Madison Square Garden and then I'm looking at my phone like oh you're not [ __ ] so I'm watching this movie and for those of you who haven't seen it like I said it's about this this this star and it's stunt double Cliff Booth I actually have a rap about it where I say I'm feeling close to the edge like Rick Dalton in the booth I'm feeling close to the cliff like Rick Dalton in the booth like I'm on the edge of my daughter's in that movie I know she is Harley's in that she snapped the whole movie uh he he finds out that uh Roman palansky famous director moves in next door and sh Tate um beautiful actress and he's like really down on himself one day about it and he goes home with um his stunt double who's drop driving him off uh dropping him off excuse me and then he kind of he sees Roman and Sharon go up this beautiful gate all the way to the all the way to the their house their home and he goes oh [ __ ] you know who the [ __ ] that is and he's like that's Roman isn't he goes yeah that's Roman [ __ ] palanski he's now Rick has had a day yeah Rick has basically been told by Al Pacino's character that like he's on the down and down and he's going to need to do some things to get back up and he's [ __ ] up he cries he's like crying and [ __ ] and then he sees Roman and he and he starts laughing and and Cliff's like man you seem good he goes yeah I mean that's Roman [ __ ] bansy for all I know I I'm I'm a dinner party away from [ __ ] starring of one of Rosemary's Babies [ __ ] movies and he feels really good and I know what that feels like and so I watch this movie and then there's all this other crazy ass Char Mansion wild [ __ ] that happens and in the end I mean I'm feeling like my everything is over I'm nothing I'm nothing and I'm watching this guy feels the same way and in the end of the movie after almost dying Sharon Tate Rings him on the thing because he's outside of the gate and she's like are you okay and he's like yeah [ __ ] hippie tried to kill me I set the [ __ ] on fire in my pool and they're like oh my God you you must come up come up tell us all about it and it could make me cry right now dude because that [ __ ] score comes on and sorry and I still haven't met Tarantino I don't know how this are you serious I know and the [ __ ] gate opens bro and when that gate opened up Rick didn't just walk into his future I did man and I realized that even when you think you're at rock bottom or when you think the world hates you or when you think this you're one dinner party away and so it was it was it it it made me fall in love with life and it made me go [ __ ] a career and it made me focus more on presents damn Tarantino almost made me cry right now see you're the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood for you was somebody else's 1 1800 oh wow [ __ ] oh my God think about that you add your tantino moment and you'll have many more and [ __ ] I can't believe you haven't met him I know yeah it's a one day it's it's funny because that's my Alter Ego Bobby Tarantino yeah that's like my alter well aware I was uh I was so when my kid was talking about uh my daughter's name is Harley Quinn and she was uh she after you know a certain age I think put her in a movie called yoga hosers and she was like I want to be an actor so she started pursuing it and like takes her craft real seriously and one day she was like there's a movie that I'm going to try out for I want desperately and I was like what is that and she goes once upon a time in Hollywood and I was like quent's movie I said Kiddo lower your [ __ ] standards I was like everybody wants to be in that movie I want to be in that [ __ ] movie I was like she was like you don't think I could do it it's like it's not about that it's just all of Hollywood is racing to be in that flick like go in do your dandis but like just don't be crushed like if it don't pan out cuz all I could see is her going into audition not getting and then [ __ ] dealing with 6 months of her like miserable being miserable and [ __ ] being down on herself and uh she went in and [ __ ] got it I was just she came out and she was like you know thanks for the confidence dad and I was like it's not that I didn't have confidence in you I was trying to soften the blow in case it didn't [ __ ] work out but I will always be super appreciative to Quenton for casting her because the benefit of that was she the next movie she did was the movie that me and Jay did called Jane Sil and Bob reboot which is a sequel to Jan B strike back and Harley played my daughter played Jay's daughter in the movie so when she showed up to set if she hadn't done quent's movie she would have been like [ __ ] I'm in another [ __ ] Kevin Smith movie I'm in another one of my dad's movies and [ __ ] but she came off that set came to our set with like such [ __ ] confidence it's like she got there day one she was like I just came from a real director's session and she gave a [ __ ] phenomenal thunderous [ __ ] performance that was not only wonderful and one of my favorite performances ever given in anything I've directed and I don't just say that cuz she my kid like I just love what she did with the part she elevated [ __ ] Jay oh wow like she made Jay cry in the movie real [ __ ] tears man and like you know the movie Jay and Sal and Bob Strike Back which we made in 2001 is just a [ __ ] joke Fest and and I love it to death but like I'm in a different place in my life so reboot was going to be funny but it always had to have something to it and it was about being a dad and and Jason Muse inspired more I've been a dad for years but Jason Muse had just become a dad and became like the [ __ ] most phenomenal father I've ever seen in my life I was almost sad that I had had a kid long before him cuz I was like [ __ ] if he had gone first I would have learned how to do it properly like this [ __ ] is dialed in for the father he never had he became 10,000 wonderful [ __ ] fathers to his daughter he's the family man truly now he's got a second kid Lucen as well so the movie was kind of about him like where I was like I'm going to [ __ ] make it about Jay being a dad and and thought it was cute that like he would play my kid as like my kid would play his kid and vice versa and [ __ ] and we have this scene in the movie where like you know they have to kind of split up they get to this convention they're going to the chronicon and they're going to go their different ways and [ __ ] and so you know it was meant to be like kind of emotional moment in the midst of this ridiculous comedy but the kid my kid is you know she gives her on camera performance we shoot her side first and you know she gets emotional and she Wells up and [ __ ] like that and then you turn around you shoot the other side so 's off camera so technically she ain't got to cry cuz she's off camera at this point we're on Jason but she's such a pro that she like brought the [ __ ] tears W even though she's off camera so Jason who's grown up with [ __ ] Harley and like an uncle and Harley used to carry around this pink flat elephant that she called yayay and we never understood why she called it yayay until [ __ ] she you know commanded the English language a lot better and we realized she named it after Jay she was trying to say [ __ ] Jay so Jay's been an influence in her whole [ __ ] life and stuff and so she's crying off camera and Jay's on camera and the most amazing [ __ ] thing happens like I'm behind the monitor watching this [ __ ] and I'm like right on man we got a great side with her now we're getting really good side with Jay and all a sudden I lean forward because Jay is getting [ __ ] glassy eyed in the take and doing something that you know this's a buddy of mine that I've known for [ __ ] 30 years I've been standing next to uh personally and professionally in movies off camera and stuff crying in movies was never part of his Matrix you know was just the funny guy that I was like this guy's a true American original I'm going to put him in a [ __ ] movie and [ __ ] and there he is like crying like a [ __ ] like Ben or Matt could [ __ ] do and after the take I gave him big big hug I was like what the [ __ ] where did that come from and he's going she was [ __ ] crying off camera he was like I couldn't [ __ ] handle it she was crying and made me [ __ ] cry she elevated his [ __ ] performance and I you know I credit her with that but I also credit the confidence she came to our dippy little movie with coming off of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood she felt [ __ ] handpicked by one of the best right like I feel bad for her cuz she's an actor and and she they these actors today they spend so much time doing these self tapes used to be you'd go into audition meet human beings now since the pandemic they realize oh [ __ ] we don't even have to meet these people anymore they'll send in [ __ ] tapes of themselves so they do these self tapes and this kid and her boyfriend both actors do like 5 to 10 [ __ ] self tapes a week and they're like they do it's not like three page scenes doing like 10 page [ __ ] scenes really put him through it and [ __ ] and whenever I see her doing that I was like why are you [ __ ] waiting for somebody to pick you like you just putting your [ __ ] fate in somebody else the S Choose Yourself I was like your your [ __ ] father made clerks man your [ __ ] uncles made Goodwill Hunting they they [ __ ] put themselves in the role to be like I'm going to write myself my [ __ ] future like don't wait to get [ __ ] chosen choose your [ __ ] self so I'm hoping sooner or later that rubs off and she [ __ ] writes and directs a movie writes herself the part that she's always dreaming about Happ but for him to [ __ ] you know it still means a lot for her to be [ __ ] tapped to CH to be chosen as an actor um for him to [ __ ] choose her was everything I but I was shocked not because I was like she can't handle this but just because I was like what are the chances that [ __ ] she gets into a Tarantino movie it was it was everything in our family well you know what's great about this story is actually um how we met so in 20 when did it come out what year did the reboot reboot comes out in 2019 right before the world [ __ ] fell apart okay bro so you hit me up in 2019 right after the whole confessions thing happened and I'm watching Rick doton walk up Roman pansy's driveway and I'm like [ __ ] this [ __ ] and I get literally back to work I get well no I get off the internet as well because I was like that was a thing where I was like [ __ ] this like I've been putting so much of myelf worth into to what other people are saying rather than just look in the mirror and Pat myself on the back and being proud of myself as a man and a musician and I get off and I don't check it three years I think I'd hit him I I noticed that logic followed me and I was like Jesus he's [ __ ] young and culturally relevant I was like that's [ __ ] huge and so I hit him up before we made reboot and I was like and I never I don't [ __ ] instant message anybody I barely know how to [ __ ] I know how to post on Instagram put up stories put up uh [ __ ] the main feed but I like even now to this day if I have to [ __ ] check a message I'll ask Jordan Jason's wife who runs our company like how do you [ __ ] get to the messages on sounds like me nowadays such an old man but I [ __ ] found yours and I was like hey man we're making this Jane s Bob reboot movie and I heard you were fan like do you want to be in it never heard back didn't feel anything like I wasn't like well [ __ ] him three years go by now let me tell you the other side okay so I I I about this I'm at my producer house this how we met yeah 66 and I'm like working on some [ __ ] and my manager hits me and he goes he sends me a screenshot from you from three years before and it was like not even a week after I had gotten off so so we just missed each other right I like punched a wall like I was like literally I was like what the [ __ ] I was like oh my God like I can't believe this oh my God no [ __ ] cuz in my I was just like I'm am like the biggest fan of you and here you are this guy who's like [ __ ] been there for me and and we never met we never talked and you reached out to me like what the [ __ ] I can't believe it how could I do this and you had your number you had given me your number and I was like oh my God so I I I texted you and I was like okay let's get myself together here and I was just I said what I said I said that I love you and I appreciate you and I was like I was not leaving you hanging man blah blah blah blah like all this different [ __ ] and then we just started talking and this is where where it gets really cool so you know you sent me a few nudes um my dick it was great we're just talking about like life and children and love and like never really about anything else like and then we're just we would text and we this and we that and then one day I make a song and I send you you know I would send you different songs like fun [ __ ] and you would really Len you take the time to listen and I send you one song about weed and you go I'll never forget you're like I'm on a hike right now and I'm listening to this and this song literally embodies what it feels like to be stoned and I on God jokingly go you should do the video one of the greatest living directors ever in the history of this [ __ ] [ __ ] to I I jokingly wipe my ass with a comment that I'm throwing out of the window to a friend in a very thirsty way I was like yes and he goes no he literally goes yes no no you no you go I'm in all caps with an exclamation part I go [ __ ] [ __ ] you and and and you're like no really I'm serious and I'm like bro CH shut the [ __ ] up you know what I mean and he's like he's like no man let's go let's do it and I'm like what are you serious he goes yeah and then immediately I go into Bob mode I'm like listen like I I don't want anything from you like I just love our friendship and and you're like look kid shut the [ __ ] up you want to do this I'm like yes and you were the you were like the author of that piece you had the idea like let's do to Quick Stop like I want to do it I have this idea about like quent's suitcase in Pulp Fiction that you don't see what's inside but you open the bag and it glows and [ __ ] like that so it was like the easiest yes in the world because it wasn't like I said yes to a thing and now I got to figure out how to make it work you gave me every step you're like we could do this we could do this we could do this I was like done and [ __ ] done man and it was such a wonderful experience like we had done clerks 3 um and and that had been like a year prior but it had just come out we were still touring actually we were touring the movie at that point and stuff because I think we shot in October November or something like that late October early November so we were still on tour with the movie and I was like loving life because you know the the way I structure the movies now is like I take them on tour so I'm there with an audience of 1,500 people watching the [ __ ] movie and just feeling the [ __ ] love and it's like a party and [ __ ] so I was deep in Clerk's 3 world but you wanting to do the video at quick stop cuz you're like what if we shot at quick stop and I was like well I know a guy who can get us in there but being able to go back to Quick Stop with Brian and Jeff who played Dante and Randall um with me and Jay putting on the [ __ ] outfits and then you brought an entire F literally your family as well as your extended family and we got to put everybody into it it was just so [ __ ] celebratory like it was like one of the easiest things I've ever done in my life in terms of like working on a thing and just so wonderful there was so much [ __ ] warmth to it I got to bring back people that like we had just made the movie with a year before and it was almost like getting to do a rap party at the [ __ ] and literally it was a rap party cuz it was a [ __ ] rap song pun intended I like that Dad bod but um it was it was beautiful man it was and totally meant to be but you made it [ __ ] happen but you made it so easy so easy like I kept telling Jordan I was like she's like you coming up with this I was like no it's a suggestion Bobby came up with this is really nice well thank you it was a it's a life moment for me it was cool seeing like you were you were as enthusiastic about being at Quick Stop like being behind the counter being on the roof meeting Brian and Jeff and Jason as like a fan who comes up at a convention or something like that I am a fan at a convention it was beautiful nice bro my whole life like I used still watch Disney Channel and [ __ ] tell me if you guys remember this I used to watch Disney Channel and then like it'd be like tune in for the Disney Channel original movie blah blah blah and then they would show like a was that you doing the ears yeah beautiful I know exactly I raised a kid who watch Disney Channel so I'm watching this [ __ ] and then they would do like those those like really like intimate like sweet commercials where it's like it's this family and and like the little girl like gets up out of bed and she's like mom and she's like go to bed baby like that and she goes to bed and then like the mom and dad like come in and wake her up and they're like we're going to dinner Disney World and then they go to Disney World it's this whole thing and so you know I'm in a crack infested house and you know there's murders and drug dealers and everybody running around and my life sucks and my dad had Disney Channel so [ __ ] you but what I'm saying is Well we had it illegally so we had Disney it was great yeah so so I'm I'm watching this and I'm like damn I'll never I'll never get to go there and then I would also watch movies like clerks and dogma and I could go on and on and you didn't feel that way about Clerk's like I'll never get to go there was literally like a couple states away from you yeah but I didn't even realize shitty convenience Story I mean I watched it a million times and then I then later found the whole story you know what I mean as a teenager like I'm like understanding all this other [ __ ] but there was a part of me that's just like NOP no way like I'll never like I didn't even think about it I was like oh I wish I could live in this universe this VIIs Universe you know what I mean like I wish I could I could do this and so you bringing me there bro oh my God like there was a moment where I just like we were in the theater and I went to take a piss but like out of my eyes cuz I was actually just crying I was like I can't believe this [ __ ] and like you're so sweet and [ __ ] nice and everybody's cool and professional I think the thing I love about you is you you [ __ ] command you command dude you [ __ ] you don't take [ __ ] but you are so nice and so kind you get the [ __ ] job done but you also play oh God and you're always you know letting everybody know like look we're at it again we're here we might never get this opportunity again or like you're so you're so present and that really um struck a chord with me and now speaking of universes that you think maybe you would never get the chance to live in yeah yeah you went to the set of Star Wars right with JJ now JJ hit me up he was like he was like man don't you love JJ first of all I mean what sweet guy you truly a fanboy dude like fan of obviously you could see in in like when he makes a Star Wars move Force awaken like this is made by a fan um and everything he does you could see like super eight when he made that movie it's like oh my God he's a fan of like [ __ ] young Spielberg movies and [ __ ] um but he when he's talking to you when he's Fanning out on you you feel like the sun is shining on you and as a [ __ ] commands [ __ ] billions of dollars and [ __ ] like that and has box office that equals that and still he's real human and you feel like the love from him like oh he you're here or you're in his presence or you're working with him because he [ __ ] likes what you do what you've done speaks to him in some level yeah man I remember he when I first uh he reached out to me uh years ago through email and my manager was like hey um he's an AOL guy yeah he was like JJ JJ Abrams wants your uh email is that okay I said [ __ ] [ __ ] you yes why are you asking me this give it to him right and so he texts me and he's like oh I listened to your album everybody that you did with Neil de grass Tyson and this he's like if you ever want to play just hit me up and I'm like I'm hitting you up right now like what's up and then I go to the [ __ ] Bad Robot office and the first thing that I loved about the Bad Robot office is like office upstairs kind all toys ands but the first thing I noticed there's color everywhere like literally there's people of color there's women it's not like this [ __ ] like it it feels so it feels like the world like you go you go to JJ's office and reflect what the real world looks like the real [ __ ] world and it's just and his wife and his you know his daughter an incredible singer Au his daughter's an artist as well she went to school with Harley her and Harley were in plays together and stuff oh really yeah yeah I didn't know that that's how I first met her there's a picture that me and JJ took at San Diego Comic Con and then the kids like did like replicated the picture like right down to the to the glasses I put up on my Instagram years ago it was adorable [ __ ] turned into like the thing she wanted to be I know which is amazing to see you know what I'm saying and um his son and that's you know me and him met and you know he's he'll do he does like Spider-Man comics comic book together yeah he's he's amazing so just everything that like it was a great time in my life to meet this man and to see like literally one of the most powerful men in the world you know in this industry and all this other [ __ ] just be so nice he was just nice to everybody and I couldn't believe it and then he was like I was there one day randomly and he was like hey you want to be in Star Wars and I'm like what and he's like yeah you want to be in Star Wars here he's like here come in this room and I'm like okay what the [ __ ] is going on so we go in this room and um there's some guy and there's a microphone and he's like hey read this and I'm like okay what does this say they're at the end of the corridors and he goes okay that was good give it to me one more time but like screaming I'm like they're at the end of the corridors and he's like all right you're a stormtrooper and I'm like oh my God me too yes this is the kind of guy you which one which one uh Forest awakens or rise of Skywalker the first one he did or the last one I think it was the last one I think it was rise of the Skywalker I was in h Force awakens as a stormtrooper who shout some [ __ ] in a scene that [ __ ] had Han Solo Chewbacca [ __ ] it was amazing and then um when I had my heart attack 5 years ago I had a heart attack massive Widow Mega hard ATT almost died right JJ he's like yeah no problem anyway I live through that [ __ ] JJ wrote me and he was like you have to [ __ ] survive if you survive I will put you in the next star oh [ __ ] so I did survive and I [ __ ] when he went to back to work on Rise of Skywalker I was like [ __ ] you promised I'd be in a Star Wars movie and he had me come out to London and I got to be on the set and [ __ ] and watching him work on set was adorable because it's it's like a like they they were shooting a scene where they're going through this Village and [ __ ] that Mountaintop Village had all the snow and he had to populate it with creatures so they literally brought in 20 [ __ ] creatures some were played by two people in a suit some were in [ __ ] outfits some were in makeup and it was like they encircled JJ and he went through and he was like I'm going to take that one I'm going to take that it was like a kid at an action figure store wow going I want this one this one this one he set them all up and [ __ ] um and but he true to his word man if he watched rise the Skywalker me in the background walking through a [ __ ] scene and [ __ ] amazing very adorable he's a good guy he's very good guy so speaking of your heart attack you know I remember hearing about this and like freaking out you know what I mean and then hearing that you were doing better and things like that that I mean you used an expression before when you talked about your retirement where you're like I got my flowers like I honestly felt like when I when I almost died I put up on the Internet the next morning I was like hey man I had this heart attack but I'm okay now blah blah blah and I really expected Because the Internet is going to Internet that they'd be like well [ __ ] you you fat piece of [ __ ] maybe you should [ __ ] eat better and this is your [ __ ] fault but for the next [ __ ] year it was literally the flowers that you talk about people just being like I'm glad you didn't [ __ ] die man like you meant a lot me Kevin feige who [ __ ] controls the Marvel Universe right the producer of all the Marvel movies I was driving it was like two weeks after I got out the hospital and I was on M Halland and I got a phone call I didn't recognize the number I answered it and they were like hold for Kevin foggy and I was like Kevin [ __ ] fogy all right and then he gets on and goes Kev is Kevin fogy he's like we met once a long time ago he's like I know we're not super familiar with each other but like when I heard you had a heart attack like I was so scared and then when I heard you got you got through it it made me happy he's going because as a fellow Kevin from New Jersey who wanted to work in film like you've always meant something to me wow and I was like this [ __ ] is about to offer me a [ __ ] Marvel movie and he was like all right bye you but it was just such a kind thing to do man I when you use that expression yeah I got my flowers like instantly that took me back to the heart attack where I was like I know what that moment's like like I got to see my own eulogy I got to see if I [ __ ] died what it would have been like and it wasn't what I assumed it would be I assumed it would be a bunch of haters being like [ __ ] you and [ __ ] clerks and blah blah blah and instead it was people who were just like I'm glad he's here I maybe I don't like all his movies but I'm glad he's [ __ ] here like that was very very meaning i' I've I've gotten that too I've received that cuz like I've I've also just been doing a lot of podcasts in general and sometimes I'll see people be like yeah I don't really care for his music but man seems like a nice guy isn't that a great compliment it's like but I'd rather you like you know [ __ ] with me yes than that I never bristle at that I'm never like what do you mean you don't like my movies I'm like great like is I made so many movies at this point that I'm like chances are maybe I made one thing that you [ __ ] like but it's more meaningful when somebody's just like I like him yeah like I like the cut of his jib or whatever the [ __ ] that that is that means far more than somebody being like Oh I liked Chase Amy or whatever because I made those movies to to meet the world right like clerks was like me going hi my name's Kevin I just want to talk to you until the day I [ __ ] die and the movies are an extension of that that was how to to start the conversation and then like through the rest of the work standing on stage doing q&as like anytime I'm out there in the world you know and I do that a lot I created a whole second industry outside of making films where I just went out and talked about making the movies it was always about meeting people and talking exchanging ideas meeting like-minded individuals so to have somebody be like you know [ __ ] his movies but like he's a good guy that's I'll take that there was a time when that actually upset me when people would say things like like that because I was I was I felt that I would my value was in my music being the artist and not not in me and when I realized that's like being the person is what it's all about um I found myself you figuring [ __ ] out how old are you again 33 33 you figured [ __ ] out at such a young it you figured you figured [ __ ] out in the last [ __ ] 5 years that I'm 52 and I had to go crazy and go into a [ __ ] mental health facility to figure out so you're way ahead of the game son thank you I uh it means a lot for you it's truth though it's truth when I was in The Nut House there was a kid who was 18 years old and I was like God damn it I'm so jealous of you if I had gone [ __ ] crazy at 18 and learned all the [ __ ] we're learning at age 18 who knows what I could have [ __ ] done with my life when did you quit smoking C cigarettes cigarettes I stopped smoking when I started smoking weed cuz I used to smoke cigarettes like [ __ ] crazy I was a '90s kid and we smoked religiously like a badge of honor like [ __ ] we would leave cool parties and [ __ ] like can't smoke in here [ __ ] it we'd go stand outside like it was just it was something you did it was like a big part of your [ __ ] identity so I smoked cigarettes from like 92 I started late in life like I I was way late wasn't even in high school or some [ __ ] so I started at age 92 it was after nor Easter the nor Easter of 92 because I got my town was flooded and [ __ ] my house was underwater and I had nowhere to [ __ ] go they were putting people in a school up on the hill I was like I don't want to do that so I walked the highway to go to Quick Stop from the movies and [ __ ] I was like look I'll [ __ ] go to work at quickstop that beats like sitting up in the [ __ ] in a shelter and in the worst [ __ ] weather I'd ever seen in my life man like [ __ ] hurricane weather people would come to Quick Stop and be feel like drenched [ __ ] like raving the [ __ ] floods to be like pack of cigarettes and I was like these cigarettes must be [ __ ] amazing I've been selling this [ __ ] for years I was let me try a cigarette and so I started smoking right then and there so I went from 92 to 2008 and I was on the set of Zach and Mary Make a Porno and uh my friend Malcolm Ingram was like Seth Rogan wants to [ __ ] smoke with you and I was like well I [ __ ] smoke all the time and he's like no he wants to smoke weed with you and I was like oh my God at this point in my life I'd only smoked weed like [ __ ] maybe five times ever yeah so here I am at age what it 2008 37 years old and uh I was like um I was like I can't [ __ ] smoke weed I would never smoke weed especially while I'm making a movie like I'm responsible for millions of dollars that's just irresponsible I can't do that so he's like you got to face Canadians you got to [ __ ] smoke with him he's like he's a [ __ ] Stoner icon you're a stoner icon you got [ __ ] smoke so at the end of the movie last [ __ ] day everyone else is gone it's just me and Seth Rogan and the crew and we're doing pickup shots with Seth like uh when we were halfway through the day I sauntered up to him sidled up to him and I was like so man I say how about after we're all done tonight we go to the editing room and you and me smoke some of that weed out here hear so much about he was like finally that's a good Rogan so he came to the editing room and shits I was I'm the editor and so we were watching out takes I was showing him how [ __ ] funny he is and not just in the scenes in the movie Seth's [ __ ] brilliant he'll he'll perform your movie and then ad live three four better movies oh [ __ ] and he ad lives within the [ __ ] context of the movie so it's like as the writer it's like watching a dude do [ __ ] live fanfiction of your [ __ ] like he ain't just trying to crack the crew up by farting or something like that he's like literally ad libbing within character within the movie so it's all usable so you're like this is [ __ ] brilliant so I showed him all a bunch of [ __ ] and then he had some of that good La weed we were in Pittsburgh and [ __ ] he had it shipped out I guess and so we smoked a joint I hadn't [ __ ] smoked weed since like 96 at that point damn and I was like I I was in first grade I liked who I was when we were smoking I was like oh I put away all my pretenses and dropped all my aors and [ __ ] and I was just I was just being and I was like this is [ __ ] great and so I didn't smoke again after that that was in November and then it wasn't until July that we me and the wife had the house to ourselves like her parents have always lived with us and been like a multigenerational household so they helped us raise Harley my daughter so they had taken Harley to like big bear or some of [ __ ] and I was like you know Jen my wife was like we got to do something [ __ ] cool and nobody's in the house cuz normally we're surrounded by people like infantilized because her parents literally live with us and sounds like me she was like you got we got to do something [ __ ] cool I was like you want to be transgressive you want to do something [ __ ] dark like [ __ ] on a church altar or something like that and she's like no will we could just do it here at the house and and I was like well I was like there's weed in the safe somebody gave us weed I was like your friend Trish gave us weed three years ago for Christmas oh my God I was like what if we [ __ ] smoked that weed and she was like all right and so we [ __ ] smoked weed and like it was Bliss like we had a great time we went out to this restaurant that was in the hotel sofel used to be called Simon and they had this Simon LA and they had the circus platter that was like cotton candy [ __ ] like homemade Hostess looking cupcakes a shake peanut butter [ __ ] ding-dongs [ __ ] and we just sat there eating it and feeding each other we were like [ __ ] in a bacus painting like [ __ ] ancient Greece and [ __ ] making out in public you know at this point we've been married for like almost 10 [ __ ] years at this point and we were just acting like kids and we cabbed back to the house and like our neighbors we never talked to our neighbors we saw our neighbors walk in the house we were like hey man what are you guys doing I said I see you got porta potty outside your house what are you guys doing in there and it a gay couple they're like oh we're having our counters replac I was like can we see and they're like sure and they invit us into the house and they were like this is the new counter we're putting in and [ __ ] and I was like oo what kind of wood is this and they like Cherrywood I was like turned to J I was like [ __ ] Cherrywood right and [ __ ] so we went home after that across the street and we like [ __ ] like teenagers and I was like I like like this [ __ ] weed I was like you know like [ __ ] this is the truth I was like I'm 3 [ __ ] 8 years old at this point I was like why am I not smoking weed I made all those movies about smoking weed I was like I'm going to start smoking weed at the end of the day like 6 o'l at night when I'm done with my work and [ __ ] I think I've earned it I will start smoking weed and [ __ ] she was like good for you and so I started doing that on the regular and then after about a week of doing that I was like well I don't really have a real job I don't really have to wait till 6:00 I could probably [ __ ] start smoking early let me dial this [ __ ] back to noon man noon is good I started smoking at noon that's responsible so I did that for about a week and then I was like you know life would be so much better if I just woke up and started smoking waking and baking like why the [ __ ] am I holding out and [ __ ] so I became awak and Baker at age 38 and I smoked weed [ __ ] hardcore I ain't bragging but like I I went on B real show smoked him under the [ __ ] table snap that he has that show where you get in the car and you [ __ ] close the doors and just smoke out and [ __ ] and I lasted longer than than be real and whatnot so I I became a I was a big Flex one of those yes I mean I want tell I hopefully he don't get mad but he C to it that day he was like damn you smoke so I became a pretty hardcore smoker for the first five years smoking tons and tons but then the last 10 years like just there's never a moment where THC wasn't in my system I wake up i' smoke smoke all [ __ ] day long and then you know Caviar Gold made weed for me so we had snan snoochie bchi and and uh and [ __ ] Berserker and they still exist these strands are so [ __ ] fire he infuses cabie Mike infuses them so it ain't just a joint it's like you're smoking a joint it's got 75% THC and [ __ ] sounds like you're oh sounds like a [ __ ] acid trip it truly honestly it was I spent the last [ __ ] 10 years of my life completely numb that's what I realized when I was in Sierra Tucson so when I went into the Nut House I was not like oh I'm going to give up smoking weed but I was there for 28 days and they don't let you smoke weed weed and [ __ ] and when I was getting out I was like well I haven't smoked weed in like almost a month let me see how long I can keep going so this Tuesday it'll be 17 weeks since I [ __ ] smoked now that's not me [ __ ] on [ __ ] weed I Love Weed so much but what I realized was I had an emotional [ __ ] wound and weed was a really nice band-aid and I [ __ ] took it off put it on that emotional wound and I was like write the [ __ ] on then the wound got bigger then I started putting more Band-Aids on and [ __ ] and so one day when I walked into that [ __ ] joint it was no longer a wound with a Band-Aid on it I was wrapped up like a [ __ ] mummy just covered in bandages like I I loved weed because it allowed me to be present and not be present at all like I'd be [ __ ] stoned as [ __ ] and you can like you do my job stoned as [ __ ] I'm not lifting heavy machinery or anything like that so I realized oh [ __ ] that's problematic Behavior like it's no longer I'm not just smoking weed cuz like hey I like to smoke weed um and it wasn't weed's not an addictive substance like booze where if you don't get it you [ __ ] rage and [ __ ] like that it's become incredibly socially acceptable and whatnot and it became a big part of my identity like whether even back when I made just the early Jane Sal Bob movies people like you [ __ ] smoke weed and I was like not really but then the last 15 years of my career so first 15 no weed second 15 all [ __ ] weed marinated in [ __ ] THC and I I loved it and I don't regret it I'm not sitting here going like [ __ ] I wasted my life because again you could be present and not present at the same time but it was a lot of numbness for me and that was me just numbing rather than dealing with [ __ ] like you know my kid been in therapy for like 13 years and I always felt her generation was soft to be like these [ __ ] soft therapy kids man they can't deal with anything what I realized after I got out of the Nut House was like every time you say that it's just we're gonna we're just G to have a counter every time a Nut House ding they hate it when you call it that I used to call it the booby hat like don't call it that either but when I got out I realized [ __ ] her generation way stronger than my generation my gener never dealt with anything her generation deals with it so they go into therapy and they talk to their [ __ ] therapists cuz they deal with their [ __ ] rather than just suppressing our [ __ ] like my generation has done for [ __ ] years and years so when I came out I was like I'm going to try to see how long I can keep this going and like I said Tuesday it'll be 17 [ __ ] weeks do I miss it there have been times I went through a bad [ __ ] two months my mom almost died she's been in the hospital for the last two [ __ ] months um you know when I went into the hospital and saw my mom [ __ ] like out on fenel like when opened her eyes and just rolling around her head and she's got a [ __ ] tracheostomy in her throat tubed down her [ __ ] down her nose hooked up to wires and [ __ ] that would have been a good day to be numb you know to be like [ __ ] sucks to be you you know and just kind of like not [ __ ] pained by seeing my mother in obvious Agony and [ __ ] not to interrupt you but I've always been the type of person that because you know I do I love scotch and you know especially recently I've I've smoked a lot more weed I gave it up when my son was born cuz I was scared if he cried I'd hear it in the 10th Dimension and freak out and all this other [ __ ] um 10 di yeah for real you must get better weed than I do I got some good ass weed though shout out SRO okay slav gold shout out Caviar Gold yeah SL is my homie he just he just brings me all all this crazy weed um but I was going to say I've noticed about myself whenever I'm going through something especially like emotionally or physically that I'm dealing with I don't do anything and leave it all behind yeah like I won't drink I it's important to be there to be crisp while you're going even when it's hard yeah you especially when it's [ __ ] hard good time to be stoned is when everything's easy I agree but [ __ ] the best time to not be stoned to be completely present is when the painful [ __ ] is happening because then you'll know you're not an addict then you'll know that like you control it it don't control you and again I ain't [ __ ] on weed like God bless anybody who [ __ ] smokes weed and can and can keep it going and stuff for me I just did 15 years I'm gonna try the next 15 without now 15 years from now I'll be [ __ ] 67 you better be damn skippy as I head into those [ __ ] Golden Years I'll be high as [ __ ] a kite man and they'll have that if the weed is as good now they'll have that [ __ ] crazy super weed we only have enough smoke it you'll just ingest it through your mind so I'll ride out the rest of my [ __ ] dark days as my body falls apart [ __ ] high as a cut the next 15 I want to be here I feel like it's also what I've learned as I get older like everything for me was always so finite like it's like no this is what I'm going to do I'm doing this right now da or even albums or or things I'm working on like this is what I'm working on to the point where it's like maybe I'm not even inspired to do that but I got to do I got to finish it and I've learned as I got older like dude just go with the flow and it's like you could wake up tomorrow completely at peace whatever and be like you know what I'm going to smoke a joint and I'm going to smoke a joint for the right reasons and that's what I've learned and I think that's a that's like such a great mentality to have where you're like hey may maybe I smoked for 15 years maybe I won for 15 maybe this maybe that um but it's really cool to see your relationship with it now not to Pivot too much cuz it's like bro we've been going this is we've been going okay so I got I one or two more things I'd like to ask you do I you know something that I've noticed about your um it's actually funny saying this because of Clerks uh but uh that I've noticed in so so many of your films is color is people of color um you know even start specifically starting with uh Chasing Amy um what's the gentleman's name the actor what you who played Hooper yeah the dude who gave the speech in the beginning the Star Wars to to have this gay black man open this movie in the 90s bro but that all credit goes to him like I met Dwight and uh through Joey I was I was dating Joey Adams at the time and uh she was friends with Parker posie and Parker and Dwight had been in a how heartley movie called flirt I was a huge how Harley fan so we were all hanging out one day and I was hanging out Dwight and he's just an amazing individual man and such a character and stuff and so like I fell in love with him that day I was like I'm gon to put this guy in a movie but I never said like I'm the guy who I introduced myself but I you know this was 1996 so it wasn't like people didn't necessar neily [ __ ] know my name people don't necessarily know my name now most people like Hey Kevin James and I'm like yeah I'll tell Le Leah Remy you said hi but he was like talking to me the whole time about because I'd ask him about like what's Hal like and what was it like making flirt and blah blah blah and he was kind of like educating me on film making and stuff like that and telling me how movies are made and stuff and then finally like after a couple hours he goes what do you do Kevin and I was like oh I make films too he's like you made a fil what what have you made and I said I made clerks and he started laughing he's like I was literally telling you how to make a movie and you [ __ ] made clerks For Heaven's Sake so I was like please don't worry about it and so I fell in love with him and I was like I said Dwight that day I was like Dwight I'm going to write you a character in the next movie man would you play it and he goes absolutely wow so that character exists and is ahead of his time and in that movie it's ahead of his time because Dwight was ahead of his time because I met Dwight he was such a powerful individual that I was like I'm totally writing him into this flick and people gave me credit for that now that's the problem when you make movies when you when you write lyrics you're mostly pulling from you but you're not stealing another individual's identity when you write movies like I Jason Muse existed as Jason Muse and I took his whole [ __ ] character and made a character of that character um Joey Adams like her character in chasing a is literally [ __ ] stolen from her um you know Holden Ben's characters stolen from [ __ ] me Dwight was stolen from from [ __ ] Dwight and what happens is then people go like you're a wonderful writer and you're like I mean you are because I think there aief but no get to know me and [ __ ] you you'll wind up in a goddamn movie and be like that's me piece of [ __ ] you better just you better do me like you did him and just put me in the movie okay I'm just say that right now you going put me the next movie for sure we say it right here [ __ ] word is bond out no I'm just kidding uh no but but but there is something I ain't talking to JJ Abram [ __ ] where I'm like standing in front of a mic you are in the movie yeah not to take away from JJ but to high bar to clear that's that'd be a that'd be a dream any you can act I've seen you act I try from time to time sometimes I fake cry for fun anyway uh I think it I think that's actually an art to be able to I mean first of all we're all inspired I listen to Nas Nas could have a flow or a lyric and I'm like oh my God that's amazing I'm going to take that reimagine it re-envision it flat out bit it like you stole that from nas yeah that's ridiculous but what I'm say unless you're it's homage and you're kind of like saying the bar he said and you're like shout out to NAS shout out to NAS but um with this for you to write a human being I had to meet that human being first otherwise I never would have wrote that Char I mean look at all of life man you know what I'm saying like look at any great right Hamming way or Tarantino himself I mean Tarantino are we going to are we really come on bro like what's that you know like uh he's the king of omage of course and there's nothing [ __ ] wrong you talk about like you can't be it unless you see it he sees it and he puts it through his filter and then gives it back to you and you're like I love this [ __ ] one of the most beautiful moments I ever had with Quenton was um we made this movie uh red state with Michael Parks Michael Parks was quinton's favorite [ __ ] actor on the planet Michael Parks is the guy who in from dust to Dawn's Like Son number one that guy yeah and so he's been in a couple Quenton movies but Quenton like loved this guy when [ __ ] nobody else did he was in a TV show years ago in the late 60s called Then Came Bronson had one season where he's a guy on a motorcycle finding himself so you know he'd been in Twin Peaks years later David Lynch put him in a thing but Parks was in like the Bible with directed by John Houston the great John Houston that was great because he was a big director I don't know about him as an individual because Parks told me a story about how John Houston literally tried to kill him on set and I was like I thought he was being factious he goes no tried to take my [ __ ] life and stuff so Parks had a very complicated relationship with call HR no kidding [ __ ] man so he had a complicated relationship with the business and sometimes didn't he this man clearly did not get what he should have got in life you know what I'm saying like he was positioned as the next James deam but some people saw him as difficult and [ __ ] like blacklisted him from business and [ __ ] so um Parks like we we made this movie Red State Quenton was working on on I forget what he was writing I think he was writing um uh [ __ ] German movie the na in glorious bastards in glorious bastards so he would bury himself and then it disappear from the scene and then when he came back on the scene catch up on pop culture so he'd heard that like Parks was in this movie that we took to Sundance and I was toring around and stuff and he was like can you bring the movie to watch to my place cuz at his house he's got his own movie theater 35mm projection that's a [ __ ] yeah I'll do that I said can I bring parks and he's like absolutely [ __ ] bring Parks so me parks and Quenton sitting in quent's movie theater watching Red State and Quenton smoking weed and [ __ ] like that and he's watching this movie and he's like loving [ __ ] you know it's all [ __ ] Parks it's a [ __ ] it's a showcase for Michael Parks so if you ever want to feel good about something you've done watch it with a [ __ ] stoned Quenton Tarantino he like it's like you made this movie for me man I was like I [ __ ] totally did and [ __ ] and so after we watch the movie and he's blowing up Parks all throughout the movie just grabbing him being like God damn it you're the [ __ ] King and [ __ ] like that and Parks you know [ __ ] being called The King by the most [ __ ] inarguably culturally important most important director of our culture so after the movie was done he's like come in the house and we went into quent's house and you know quent's got this big ass TV and he's got of course a DVD player there but then he also has a laser disc player and a VHS laser disc and there's a stack of [ __ ] old VHS tapes right there he didn't have to go digging for him and he reaches to the third one under the pile Pops in this VHS and it's a [ __ ] a volleyball movie I think it's called spiked that [ __ ] Parks was in in like the early 70s he just has it just has it not only did he run it because he was like let me show you how brilliant this man is and he runs this [ __ ] scene where like you know it's cheesy [ __ ] volleyball movie and all of a sudden Parks comes in it becomes a [ __ ] clinic on performance and there's Quenton [ __ ] reviewing this guy's performance to this guy gu's [ __ ] face and Parks is an old ass man at this point 73 74 or whatever the [ __ ] but you could see him [ __ ] glowing cuz quent's blowing him up Quenton finds gold in goddamn cheese in a pile of cheese that most people would dismiss he used to go through the [ __ ] TV guide and look for like [ __ ] Michael Parks in old movies playing at 1 two in the morning then he would Circle and program his vcr and save it he had that [ __ ] tape for 10 15 [ __ ] years Obed love the [ __ ] God but watching him obsess about the guy in front of the guy who got something out of it like Parks wasn't so like [ __ ] obtuse where he was like H whatever [ __ ] he was like this Quenton Tarantino saying this [ __ ] like you could tell he was glad I was there that there was a witness so that like [ __ ] someone would tell the [ __ ] story and [ __ ] but what he's he's the best of us man because he consumes the culture and then spits it back through his own [ __ ] prism and [ __ ] and I never would have found Michael Parks if it weren't for [ __ ] qu I remember going to see from Dust Till Dawn at the lemly Sunset 5 before even came out like an early screening that demension was having they were like come see this [ __ ] flick and you know that was the quent and Robert movie couldn't wait to see that alone about vampires like [ __ ] checks all the boxes but in the first five minutes of the movie 10 minutes of the movie this man gives this insane [ __ ] off theart brilliant performance I don't even know who this [ __ ] old man was but I was like I said to Scott moer this was 1995 96 I was like before I die I have to [ __ ] work with this man this [ __ ] acting Yoda and I never had anything for him until I wrote Red State and then I was like [ __ ] this is a thing that Michael Parks could do and then year two years three years after that I wrote Tusk four parks and he played that part as well two parts that he [ __ ] acted the [ __ ] out of Quenton has the theater here in town the new Beverly that he owns I haven't gone yet I really want to go only shows 35 mm PRS cuz he's got a li just playing Rumble in the Bronx like the other day 35 mm print he's got all these [ __ ] 35mm prints and [ __ ] tusk was a movie we shot digitally there was no 35mm print Quenton called up and said can I make a 35mm print of Tusk so that I could show during Michael Park's birthday week every year I was like [ __ ] of course the only print of Tusk that exists 35mm print Quenton has in his home library because he loves Michael Park so [ __ ] story man he's he's the real deal man he's the best of us but like without him I don't get to a see the greatest performer of my life and B [ __ ] work with him put words in that [ __ ] man's mouth two my most fulfilling movies Red State and Tusk have nothing to do with Jay and Silent Bob Red State's the movie If I took my name off of nobody knows I directed it because it don't look like a Kevin Smith movie it don't feel like it and [ __ ] it pushed me to be my best because he introduced me through his work to an actor that made me push for [ __ ] more sadly Parks passed away and stuff um probably for the best cuz I would have stuck him in yoga hosers and ruined everything for him shut up but if you ever want to watch a brilliant performer you see him in he's he's in Quenton flicks he uses him all the time um but if you ever want to see him like showcase performance of the last 10 15 [ __ ] years just droing like in Red State he plays a [ __ ] hate Monger he plays essentially uh what's his name um Fred Phelps the guy who used to run the Westboro Baptist Church that would pick it outside funerals and [ __ ] and so he's got like an8 minute hate monologue that he sings so beautifully like it's crazy that periodically you have to remind yourself like he's saying the worst [ __ ] in the world but he's such an amazing [ __ ] actor I got him that's like some American History X [ __ ] you know what I'm saying like watching Edward Norton and that watching do that you're like you want hate beautiful performance yeah yeah um so before we go which I said like 30 minutes ago uh I I I have one final question for you uh in this day and age of four in hard I that's I'm lying three inch hard that's usually my joke except it's eight inches you go it's aast remote control I measured one time what what REM Comcast remote control Comcast okay I know specific I don't know how we just got here anyway um measured one time yes so um I was going to say that in this in this uh in this era in this age of Technology especially like in music where basically anybody can just get a laptop barely learn a program that does a lot of [ __ ] for you and then you can like put out studio quality sounding things what advice would you give in today's era for young filmmakers and creatives who want to make something from their heart but actually you know stand out like like make a career from it in a world of oversaturation where everybody wants to do it and can now yeah what do you think that it it takes um for somebody to achieve their dreams you can't look at what anybody else has done a lot of first-time filmmakers a lot of first-time artists will look at somebody else because you can't be it unless you see it first you see somebody do it and you're like I want to do that and some people fall into the Trap of doing that exact [ __ ] thing like just mimicking doing a Xerox of whatever it is that they saw that here you can you can uh I mean there's been many incarnations of battl Star Galactica right and there's a really good one at one point [ __ ] that W emmies and [ __ ] but there was one in the 70s that came right after Star Wars and you could tell they were literally just trying to do Star Wars started as a movie and then became a TV show and I ain't talking about the one that they did in the 2000s which was [ __ ] brilliant that Ron Moore did so you could make your knockoff Star Wars and since people like space movies maybe there's a chance that people will see it and be like oh I like your version of [ __ ] Star Wars but chances are people are always going to see for what it is it's like oh you saw Star Wars 2 um and I don't mean Star Wars 2 meaning Empire Strikes Back I mean to what you can do to stand out is sing your [ __ ] song what they've never seen is you a lot of people put down my industry because like all they make are sequels and [ __ ] remakes and and Marvel movies and [ __ ] um they do make those things because those things are guaranteed money or at least as guaranteed as you can there are no [ __ ] guarantees in that business even Kevin foggy before he puts out the latest Marvel movie Thursday night clenches his [ __ ] hoping that it [ __ ] works no matter how much money they put into it no matter how the formula they feel is the one that cracked the codee you are not guaranteed [ __ ] success anything could fck [ __ ] happen so you can do what others have done but and you could put down the [ __ ] Studio system but what every Studio executive I don't care from the the most uh [ __ ] idealistic to the [ __ ] biggest hack who's just like just give me hits I just want hits I [ __ ] Xerox hits for me they all dream not of me they've met me and I've come in I've shown them everything I could [ __ ] do they dream of you they dream of the person that's going to walk in and tell them a story they've never [ __ ] heard before with an idea they've never [ __ ] seen before and that's the movie they're going to finance and that's the movie they want to make that's the movie they desperately dream about making now as I said I've shown them all my [ __ ] colors they don't dream about me anymore they dream about you what is it you're going to do the thing that has never been [ __ ] you have the benefit of being I keep looking at that camera should I or should I look at that one this good this one they're good you have the I'm trying to connect with them you have the benefit of never having sung your [ __ ] song yet right now in this industry there's a writer Guild strike going on so ain't nobody [ __ ] buying or selling any [ __ ] uh Goods right now now is the time to make your [ __ ] clerks make your goddamn movie because there's going to be a absence of material over the course of the next six [ __ ] months and they're going to need to stock the [ __ ] shelves and stuff so now's your chance to sing your [ __ ] song and that's what you have to sing is your [ __ ] song don't [ __ ] sing a song somebody else's done you could and it could work out but your best chance of being of punching through and being remembered is to sing the song nobody else has sung tell your [ __ ] story that's the story that ain't been told 100 thousand [ __ ] times what worked about clerks is like I was like you know I've I've worked in convenience stores for years I never seen anybody make a movie set in a convenience store and I'm going to have the characters talk like me and my friends talk and stuff like that I told something I sang an original [ __ ] song and I didn't know that that's why it would [ __ ] connect I just didn't know any better like I didn't want to do what I'd seen be done before and also I didn't have the means to do what I'd seen be done before I couldn't make [ __ ] Star Wars I didn't have the money but I had just enough money to be like all right what if I just showed them what life's like when you work in a convenience store how you do anything you can at the job except [ __ ] work to get through the [ __ ] day so you got a [ __ ] story in you a perspective a POV man like this is what I always tell Young Artists your voice is your currency in this life man uh the prism through which you see things uh that is uniquely [ __ ] yours and that voice is [ __ ] valuable because somebody out there is waiting for that [ __ ] currency to spend it on your [ __ ] behalf they dream about you in this business man just like they dream about you and his [ __ ] business they dream about the person that ain't done the thing that's been done before they want to see you come through that door they want to see they want to meet the wasowski who are like we got a [ __ ] crazy idea for this movie called The Matrix they dream about people like you and they've not met you yet you are their best [ __ ] hope CU they've not heard your story yet your story hasn't been told don't sit there and be like nobody gives a [ __ ] about my life everybody gives a [ __ ] about your life because your life is Uniquely Yours as it is resembles other people's lives and your job is to speak for those who will never get the opportunity to speak for themselves we were talking about earlier in the podcast people play you like an avatar with like you're my guy man you're my guy like if I was ever going to do it that's how I'd [ __ ] do it they look to artists who who get their [ __ ] out there to speak for them and you are one of those [ __ ] people who could speak for [ __ ] Millions but you have to be honest and say the [ __ ] thing nobody's ever said before and you can do it it doesn't take guts you have no [ __ ] Choice your voice is your currency spend it like you're a billionaire cuz that voice will never go away if you're pretty and young enjoy it one day you'll be [ __ ] ugly and [ __ ] old it all goes away but your voice only gets more clear the older you get man the older you get it gets more defined never changes it just gets more defined your vo is your currency spend it like you're a billionaire that's the best advice I have wow write yourself be yourself man thank you for you do you as the kid used to say do you f uh that was beautiful man thank you for that you know what's beautiful I'm going to throw this out there so when we did that music video [ __ ] one of the side things I was like do me a favor like I'm me and Jay are going to pop up and [ __ ] like interrupt you cuz we do like we were putting together a these are the rules at the movie theater like turn your phone off [ __ ] don't do this don't do that and so before every movie like that we show that plays so I see you over over and over again at smog Castle Cinemas in Atlantic Highlands New Jersey and uh logic is responsible for the beat of like you know shut up don't talk to in the movie so the first one is no texting no [ __ ] pornh hubbing just throw your phone away the second one is like be quiet so is a shot of Bobby by himself in the theater he's got popcorn he's going like yo I live by the beat I died by the beat since 1995 and then Jay and Silent Bob pop up and Jay goes shut the [ __ ] up it's movie time so I see you literally every day I'm at that [ __ ] theater and it's so oddly now surreal to be sitting across from you for the last four [ __ ] hours in real life and [ __ ] when I'm like I still see you every day I I thank you for doing that because it makes me smile every time I see it it makes the audience laugh every time I say I've seen it with an audience of 12 people I've seen it with an audience of 230 and they always [ __ ] laugh and there's a small portion of the audience man because mostly old people look like me who are like yo that's logic every [ __ ] kid it's like yo that's logic and I get a little bit more credibility and respect because of that so thank you for that thank you and what do you mean you've been what did I do that like nine months ago like I've been staring at your [ __ ] face my whole life so to be sitting over here it goes both ways it means the world to me um thank you for thank you for being a good man thank you for being honest thank you for being vulnerable um we've been talking about doing this since I was in the house you were like we're going to sit down and shoot a video we're going to talk about what matters most you know and that's why I could end this saying yeah of course like thank you for your films thank you for your art thank you but like man thank you for being you thank you for being a person thank you for being my friend thank you for being somebody uh for those out there watching and listening who they just need right now thank you for your words nobody needs a 52y old man we all need a 52y old man um thank you um from the bottom of my heart I hope this isn't the last time we we do something fun like this you're in the movie bro bro the 430 movie is the next movie on me is called the 430 movie we're shooting in that same [ __ ] theater really so you can come back and you act in it again all right man give me a give me a part I'll play whatever I got a big part for you [ __ ] 4 in this the size of a Comcast [ __ ] remote control okay I like it um is there anything you would like to leave our listeners with uh go out and make some Dart Man like there's two paths in this life there's destruction and there's creation and [ __ ] destruction is full of people like you can't even move in those Lanes cuz it's so crowded creation those lanes are wide open because it takes a little bit something of yourself in order to put yourself out there to do a thing and so people are are reticent to do that because of that you'll drive forever man go make some art today you're an artist don't [ __ ] sit there and be like I'm not an artist I'm not like you guys you're exactly like us go make some [ __ ] today making shit's better than breaking [ __ ] Kevin thank you I love you I love you as well all right Bobby now get the [ __ ] out of my [ __ ] leaving Robert hey what's up guys thank you so much for joining us on this episode of logically speaking please make sure you click the link and check out more things don't forget to subscribe all those things things like that don't forget peace

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Length: 102min 19sec (6139 seconds)

Published: Tue Jan 30 2024