Kenneth Mosley interviews Bishop Carlton Pearson, Part 2 - Marriage & Mentors

Carleton Pearson had already solidified a personal Network that included dr. Oral Roberts and a well-known woman and controversial traveling evangelist who many said they witnessed perform miracles and healings her name was Katherine Kuhlman listen to what he had to say about those years when his burgeoning ministry was about to erupt hear about his marriage to his wife Gina and listen to the lessons he learned from influential people during those days lessons that would help to stabilize him when it was all over she said I want you to get married with this Bible I said you're kidding she said no I want you to get married with it was a white Bible a little gold print in the little you know zipper and so she said but I'm gonna keep it for you till you get married she died in 64 and they buried it with it that's the truth that's the truth I hope I hope there's no spiritual significance to that I mean I go to visit mine to see my grandmother's body in this confident I'm just blubbering I'm just ronald heart is broken I was her favorite she only had six grandkids because my mother's are only donor and I was just crying and I looked and I saw that bomb and I thought oh my god don't bear it a woman with my married Bible you birthdays oosa it began to take off your ministry was doing very well you had gotten married eventually which to the heartbreak of many women across the country lead out where you found believe it alone my mother had a friend who said I dreamt this is what I was growing up i don't know if i should say this I can always at it she said I had dreamt that I'm married Commission Carlton who said that I'm afraid of my mother growing up she said she saw it in a dream and I'm sure many women across the country and in your church and everywhere said God showed me I dreamed of a city car well you know what one of the things that that that really shocked me because there wasn't just like a couple of dozen ladies it was hundreds across this country and all the nominations are racist it couldn't have been sexual of course they didn't know me and it wasn't really sensual it was spiritual people are drawn to your spirit they misinterpreted I said God these are all Christian ladies they can't all be crazy you didn't choose me for all these women and some of them sat with Pat I had pastors telling me they said with a lot of hours trying to walk these ladies through their disappointment is general when I married Gina and I thought what my a my sensual am I not spiritual enough am i sending out the wrong vibes is that eagle was that pride is that it it is this connection see there's a there's a very close connection between spirituality sensuality sexuality and and and sociology you you you have a social desire to be with other human beings you essentially attracted their things and think that people win entries and cars and of course we're spiritual in essence and we're sexual so sometimes people get that confused and they misinterpret their perception perception is the ultimate reality but not necessarily the ultimate truth you perceive something then you interpret what you proceed so that explained to me that there were of course I'm trying to say it was the Holy Ghost that that there was something and is something about called people right their connection with God and everybody has a connection with God and wants a better one or wants it properly articulated so when they see the light in you they're attracted and they get fascinated I used to look at Kathryn Kuhlman you know what connection what I had with her but she was very attractive to me as a woman but it was because of her spirituality you know I mean when she spoke it over you she wore a dress with a split in it and she had some blue suede sandals on there wrapped up her Latian very shapely legs now I was crying and the whole group of us there three thousand students were very touched and moved by the meeting with yet at the same time I'm noticing her physicality not on this sexual sense but in a sensual sense any spiritual sense and my but I knew her I just given her a pair of golden rings that I bought it at Alaska when she came to ru I went back there to backstage and I handed them dressed she wore them she took off the ring she had earrings and put the ones I gave her your ministry blessed her that much you just yes yeah she we I've met her in 72 we just connected like I did with oral so in fact had she lived I was gonna start traveling with her I believe in miracles and I'll tell you exactly what John said [Music] I had mimicked her and emulated her out of great respect and affection for her but that anointing I did that and one of Benny's me a couple of times when he would call me forward to just do Kathryn because he liked it and the same anointing that would be in her meetings was on my voice when I would Minister that way and sometimes I do it ended vertically because people who impress you you emulate sure you'll hear a little bit shaken me a little Robert a little Kathryn Kuhlman I don't know always when it's present people notice that they tell me so again again that's all a connection it's it's all something ordained my god tell me a little bit about Kathryn Kuhlman and her ministry as you perceived and not just about her delivery what was it about her that was so attractive to people I saw the first time at the Shrine Auditorium in probably like 6 1968 or something like that my grandmother had died of cancer and we were really interested I was a little kid we all went up there and she again I liked elegance and I liked eloquence and I like articulation I like enunciation I like precision like an accuracy and she came across to me in that service as very much present to what was happening and what she said there's someone over here in this right in that right balcony there's a heart condition and she was so precise and I was I was probably gonna die when I was I was probably like 12 years old maybe a 13 so it was right in the top of the 60s wasn't the bladder part of it because I was still in elementary school but she herself was a miracle when she when they start singing then sings my soul the choir sings and she walks out on the stage she'd grab that thing though and then she just danced and so we were all like this we couldn't believe it they that we almost didn't get in because there are people standing outside the shrine we got through like 11 o'clock in the morning and the doors open at 2:00 and you could feel this rush so mother said tell us all six of our kids and to hold hands like this so that we wouldn't get separated because when that door opened all those people who were testifying about how wonderful her meetings was I wonderfully loved Jesus and all they became animals chaos brother because we to get inside the truck so we held on and we all got to sit together and it was just that was my first encounter with her I met her personally then in college or youth we met about to what we read about this one and you touch them when you read about it you touched it we we relevant away from God what does it take for someone to be able to walk in that kind of power two things consecration and concentration okay your life your personal commitment to Christ and your personal relationship with God in the Holy Ghost does put you in a at a level of consciousness where you know mm-hmm faith becomes knowledge and of course we were taught to fast and pray with I still do that this just part of our lives my parents both sides of our family that's all we did fast and pretty mother may give as if he's got a cold so that kind of nurtured relationship you come here with a natural calling yes it's in the nature of humanity to love God and love spirit but to nurture it is where the constant consecration comes Catherine is it if I could leave one thing with you Carlton I tell you what the old man told me it was past 90 then whatever you do stay in the wizard grab my arm I stay in the will of God third time stay in the will of where there's a song with you the safest place in the whole world is in the will that's a Matthew and Shirley Burrell singing that for me anyway all those things almost different about it his prayer life and the way Katherine run her did hers and I was been I've been around a lot of spiritual people in my life so they all have different disciplines but all of them guard their anointing Catherine Coleman you've said you watched her you saw her work the miracles through the power of God when she took ill and then passed away what was it like to watch someone you loved and admire who had worked miracles for so many other people take ill and pass away what was on your mind when the day I did her show I think I've ever told this taped it we met we were all staying at the Century Plaza in Los Angeles Beverly Hills we got to the NBC Studios she got out of a car with her driver of 25 years loesch who had been healed and a crusade 25 years Earl he had these bracelets on his Lake will walk like this I don't know you've ever seen that it's a brace that comes across here God healed him instantly and he became her driver she gets out of the car no makeup she was gonna have to make a put on in this in the studio she locks her arm in mine pulls me away from the crowd there was a stink and his wife and loesch I think Wilkinson and Oh Carlton isn't it wonderful to serve Jesus I mean like this close you give your whole life wouldn't you you'd give anything for she just she was just on this tires almost like she was high of course she wasn't but we walk down it was a little embarrassing because she was talking about isn't it wonderful to serve Jesus Oh Carlton mm-hmm you'd give your whole life for him wouldn't you Carl and it was a sort of strange she wanted me to see her dressing room which is Cher bo knows I'm the only one she will allow to use it why we called it the TP so here I am with Katharine and and and I'm saying yes ma'am I love Jesus with all my heart yes ma'am we get to her dressing room and there's cables all over the floor backstage she trips I thought she tripped right and she fell to the ground and I reached quickly went to pull her back up right and she said wait just a moment please and she was on all fours now this is the lady I'd seen in the long white dress on the stage at the shrine here at Tulsa and all over the world on television singing any miracles now she's on all fours Rob Lee for this right and she looks back up at me she says isn't it wonderful just trying to retain her dignity yes I carefully pulled her up and I realized later she didn't trip she fainted she was that sick that morning already yes she she had a little little gold diamond a little diamond brooch on her around her neck and I could see it when we were doing this show cuz she was leaning on me and holding on me one that when we did this show opening and you could see it doing like this she died having a large heart her heart was so big it was beating that Warner chest yes I noticed it fact that was the last week of telecast she did we finished the last show on Friday she never did television again she expired two three months later that was in November 75 she went home September February of 76 and the night that she died here in Tulsa did you know she died here in Tulsa at noon I didn't Pittsburgh not in Youngstown I was gonna go see her at Hillcrest where my son was born that Monday paddy Roberts was gonna take me in to see her they made arrangements I asked to see her she knew I was here and she said I could see her so I had a dream though that night it was a country night in February was thunder and lightning and I dreamed that I was on a baseball field which I never would have been and I think I was pitching or batting or something but I noticed a long white limousine drove up to the the baseball field has dispensed around it right drove up to the fence and and she got out of the car and I put the ball down and in the bat and rushed over to the fence and I said miss comon what are you doing here she said I just came to say goodbye and I said well you where you goin she said I'm going on a trip I said can I go with you I'll I'll get my things she said oh no no where I'm going you can't come all in your dreams my dream mm-hmm I said well that Mac you should by which is the first thing I when I met her at the Fireside Room at oru in 1972 and this was 75 I say the first thing I said to him is come with me I kiss you she said Oh God love ya and she leaned down and I embraced her in that dream I asked could I kiss her and I did I put my face through the fence and kissed her on the lips and I i I remember kissing my grandmother that way the night last time I saw my grandmother alive and I had the same sensation when Miss Coleman kissed me I don't know why I just did she got in the car and I watched her drive away the next morning Saturday I'm getting my hair done on the north side what sensation was that of kissing her yeah it was sensational it was a sense of it was a day I could tell she was going I just thought that that I I remember feeling left behind that I wanted to go with her and for whatever reason I was not given permission to that I was losing something now I had no idea she was gonna die in the dream she wasn't sick you know but in reality of course she was and I knew that so sometimes consciousness plays games on you and the next morning I'm sitting there waiting to get my hairdo yet and the Jericho basin and the lady said did you hear that most Kuhlman miss Coleman died last night Wow I dreamed it that night right she died that same night the next morning sunday morning the show we taped in November which they had told me would be several months before it aired that that show aired on nationwide television with me and his Kuhlman talking right that happened in that three day period so for healers to die is seemed awkward and for them to die she was only 76 years old according to what she says we're here she might have been older but we didn't want healers to die not miracle workers and she didn't either she wore those long dresses so you couldn't see her swollen ankles with this heart problem she had and she didn't want them to take her from this it's from the Century Plaza Hotel in Beverly Hills to the hospital in and there were many times she needed to go she should have gone that day right she just had a little C she just dropped in front of me she had actually fainted so but we didn't know what and she didn't want to admit it but I could hear in her breathing you could hear the raspiness that there was some congestion I wasn't mature enough to know what those sounds mean but now that I looked back she was dying right in front of me do church people feel the need to have to appear perfect is that why she didn't let people know how ill that she was yeah well not only that when you when you are a miracle-working healer evangelist like Oral Roberts and a man of faith like Kenneth Hagin I remember when Kathryn Kuhlman came to where you she said well if Oral Roberts and we're glad glasses that was the first time with if there's any public reference to him wearing glasses a lot of the preachers today I could name them and I won't need reading glasses or something but they'll either get big big letters they just won't wear the glasses because you can't it's hard to talk about miracles well in healing when you can even heal your eyes these are the dichotomies that we go through in the mental hoops we jump through in trying to be people of faith when trying to trust God and teach people to trust God and believe for miracles that was our theme expect Damaris right so I felt that I had lost somebody very important but I got an impartation I can tell you I have an impartation from her what did you receive when you around people like that of course if you admire something or someone enough you can borrow part of their being it's like Elijah said to Elisha if you see me when I go you can get that double portion you can get a portion but you'll get a double portion if you see me when I go well I perceived her as she went she had I the last time I saw her she was we were both arrived here in Tulsa international airport together she was in front of me tink Wilkinson was driving her in his rolls-royce and I saw her pretty red hair sit in the back seat I remember she leaned her head and they were driving me back to my church or something but I was excited because I was going to see after that I knew I was going to visit her but she was already dying so when she passed how did you reconcile the healer meeting death because of disease well I I associated her death can not just with a physical thing I think her heart was broken at that stage in her life her ministry was was shifting she had gone through that through a personal relationship with somebody who used to work for her and it was painful for her and she literally died of a broken heart at that time she was distant from her staff we had brought her here and her closest associates were not near her and she had made new friends with will they're all Roberts in ministry and family and and tink Wilkerson was sort of the bridge between that but at the same time was painful because the people who were really loyal to her who knew her and understood her and whom she knew and understood and had covenant were not with her when she died and she was reassessed a lot and and I literally there's a lot of stress in ministry especially high-profile ministries nobody knows she used to say this no one knows the great responsibility is connected with the ministry like this Carlton not really all the people see is the glory they don't know the story no one knows the great price that's been paid will be paid for administer like this it will cost you everything your very life I remember saying that to me those words rivet do you know what we'll do you know it what it will cost you have you any idea what it will cost you and I said I don't think so ma'am it will cost you your life your very life those words have sustained me when I lost everything almost my life those words were spoken to me in 1975 so that in 2005 I could embrace my soul with words this is this an unkind way to say that a dead woman left me there was an anointing and my grandfather at those days which said hold on and press on you have to pay attention and when you're younger to the things people say to you along the road along the way because these are these are markers and and oral set things that Katharine Katz said things and mothers Sherman you get holding on baby you see this connection yes I led my grandfather my maternal grandfather Lord myself he smoked he stopped smoking instantly because I asked him to and he died when he was living with me and but he would say hold hold it pressure hold hold of God's unchanging hand he didn't even talk religious stuff but in those last days he did and then it left something with yes it left something with me and in me that I know is of God and when everything else was gone including friends and family those words and words like them were gifts to me in my spirit I love those [Music]

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Length: 22min 42sec (1362 seconds)

Published: Wed May 15 2013