Ken Berry, MD: Keto & Carnivore (fatty meat) Saved His Health

the carnivore diet is a great way it's obviously the ultimate elimination diet because you're going to eliminate everything that's trying to keep you from eating it because animals do that with teeth and claws that's how they try to keep you from eating them but once they're on the plate or kind of past that point and so all their defenses are gone and so you don't really have to worry about any inflammatory chemicals or anything being in the meat because that's not how they protect themselves plants on the other hand that's kind of how they protect themselves especially their seeds which contain their DNA right which that's if that gets crunched up and destroyed then they're done their lineage is over and so plants are very passive in their defense but yet defensive nonetheless they don't want to be eaten and I don't blame them I don't want to be eating this either and so for many people when they go carnivore then they can start doing all these nutrition experiments because after you've been fatty meat carnivore for a month you can add back in bra skis and see how you feel then you can try nuts and then you can try all these different things and you can pinpoint every single thing even the healthiest of things like cashews or egg whites or you know eggplant and joke about ruin claim me I must not maybe I'm not meant to eat [Music] every time I go on YouTube and upload a video or check anything I look to the side and I see related channels dr. ken berry MD and so we've have similar subscribers for a while so it's awesome to connect with you follow you on Facebook and on Instagram and I think out of all the health influencers you're growing the fastest and I just want to commend you cuz I look up to you as an influencer and like how you're able to build community and influence people but you posted a funny story about how you were in Walmart and did they really kick you out that looked like okay yes they had some Star Wars but I didn't get kicked out so it was it was hard I was hoping it would be one of those videos where the person's coming in to hurt over that over that overcome whatever what were they saying to you they're just like oh what are you doing you know like you really shouldn't film in here so yeah okay and you were just showing basic because you bring up a good point and I think the back story on that was that all the candy and the processed food was at the level of children yeah and his parents like were playing man defense all the time absolutely and we have epidemics of childhood obesity childhood type-2 diabetes diabetes which used to be unheard of and now their special clinics just for type 2 diabetics who are pediatrics and yet we've got floor-to-ceiling candy at every checkout and every store that a parent could possibly buy food in and so that just seems you know if we're really worried about this epidemic of obesity and diabetes maybe we should change that it'd be a great first step yeah it's it's really tough as a parent you know and then you have kids as well but like school parties birthday parties I mean it seems like it's cool there's holidays like every week there's an excuse to just see junk food I mean it's it's a but one of the ways that you've been helping to like inspire people to become little leaders in their own community which i think is once needed is you talked about this passive resistance how can we influence our neighbors our parents without like diminishing them or or making them feel bad about what they're feeding their kids well I think the most powerful tool of all is to lead by example by quiet example right and so if you look good and it's obvious that you feel good and your kids are excelling and their athletic and healthy and happy then you know any kind of person and any kind of parents gonna want to know what you're doing and so once you spark that curiosity in them once once you have led by example well enough that you inspire them to ask a question there's no more open of an opportunity than that when they've asked you the question then it's there you go you've won and so a lot of people when they come to keto or carnivore or low carb high healthy fat they feel so much better they they look better they feel better and it tends to make you a preacher right at em that you want to reach out you want to help people you look like hey put down that candy bar what are you doing right but if people aren't ready to hear that then you can just be annoying and that doesn't really move the paradigm that isn't that doesn't help anything and so I try to really get people to understand you got to wait to the ready right and so you cannot go to your mom and dad's house and say hey we got to clean up these cabinets right now that's never gonna work but when they've seen you law lose 45 pounds and when they've seen your psoriasis go completely away and when they see you not popping tums every five minutes because of your chronic severe heartburn they're gonna say well what are you doing and there you go then it's a it's an open free way for you to say whatever needs to be said and actually make a change have you studied psychology and stuff Annette or you just have influenced patients over the years that you kind of know what makes people tick I've always kind of been a student of human nature of anthropology and so I've always known that there are ways to say things in ways you shouldn't say things I've also learned a lot of that from my wife as well to train me and how to say and how not to say things but I could I could tell when I would frame something a certain way to a patient I could see the door closing like I'm not hearing you at all this is not touching me in any way and so picking up on those cues I can I can shift and adjust the message to whatever and so if I'm talking to a teenage girl then I'm gonna talk to her about the benefits of diet for her acne and for her periods and for her weight maybe right because that's what she's gonna hear she's gonna hear that wait what gonna make my agony better whoa look what's this diet again and so she wakes up and she's immediately alert and she's immediately paying attention whereas if I'm talking to a 50 year old man I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about something completely different because if I don't hit you where you live you're not gonna pay any attention yeah that's that's a great example you know like it people will pay more to avoid pain and gain pleasure so you you talk about like so with an older man you might talk about erectile disfunction low-energy libido it's dosterone how to get rid of that that beer belly all that kind of stuff you know whatever is important to them that's what you got to talk about you can't talk about what's important to you because they won't hear that yeah it's funny though that as influencers we kind of do that sometimes because we say like well this diet worked for me so you should do it this way but other people you have to resonate with them and you're so good at making videos and helping people to hit what they're looking for and then they share it with their friends or family and so forth and yeah some of these Facebook videos I mean they're going viral like in a way that I have not seen I've been on Facebook for quite a while so I want to commend you for that it's really cool thanks we love doing it and it the people seem to love it as well so it's it's a win-win yeah and you've been doing this for a while I mean it's in 2017 and then it really what-what shifted would you say it was at your communication or just finally hit critical mass and more people were talking I'm not really sure the first Facebook live we ever did I think we were sitting in a theater parking lot waiting for a movie because the silly theater near our home they won't open the doors until like 15 minutes before the movie starts which makes no sense right so we were sitting there and she's like well let's just do it we'll go live and we'll talk about some time like okay and so it's basically just us chatting in the car waiting on a movie talking about I think it was reflux heartburn and that that were did really well and she's like what in the world there's so many people watch this do you realize how many people we can help by doing this and plus we just enjoyed you know talking to each other and talking to other people so that's what we started doing and so we never ever talk at people it's always a conversation it's a conversation between us and a conversation with them and I think I think people hear that and they enjoy that everybody likes being added with nobody likes being lectured to it's a good point yeah that the whole engagement like you're really engaging with people and everything along those lines no was that before your book came out wise my doctor told me I think so yes I think it was yeah and actually we started doing a lot of our social media to kind of promote the book but then it wound up just being its own thing and we were like people were so responsive to the Facebook and the Instagram and the YouTube that the book it's still very important but it kind of took a backseat because we were doing all this good work on social media the books great and you talked about I mean talk about a lot of different ways how there's a lot of routines and habits in medicine and when new ideas are presented people are really like to put up their blinders and they're really defensive the story about semi weiss the Hungarian you talk about that because a lot of people don't know that and so civilized was a young doctor very intelligent guy and he I forget the name of the city but he went to a city where there were two hospitals where women could deliver babies and one of the hospitals had such a reputation for being dangerous that women would rather give birth in the street then go to that hospital and I think that was actually the wealthy person Hospital and then the other one was for poor people and it was had a much better rate of the mom and the baby both being able to go home alive and so similar wise couldn't understand what was up with this why that was the case and so he started looking and researching and you have to remember this was before the germ theory of disease was even understood nobody even knew what germs were because I don't even think the microscope was it was around then and so he had no idea about bacteria about viruses about a fungus did none of that stuff they didn't know any of that he just knew that women died at a much higher rate of child bed fever in this hospital but in this hospital it was very it was much rarer I'm still probably pretty common back then but it was it was much less likely to happen in this hospital than that hospital and so like any good doctor he put on his thinking cap and he said there must be a reason for this let me figure this out and so in the hospital with the very high infectious infection rate that was the teaching hospital and so the dot the the attending physicians would come straight from the morgue from doing autopsies straight from the morgue and they didn't wash their hands because it was considered offensive just even the idea that a gentleman could be dirty and so even then so that was the mindset then I'm a gentleman I'm a physician I'm a I'm a respected learning member of the community how dare you say I'm dirty what are you even talking about right and so they would literally take their hands out of a cadaver and go and deliver a baby and without washing their hands and I know now you're like how does that even make common sense that you think that's okay right you wash your hands before you eat how could you not but they just didn't occur to them because that wasn't their paradigm and so he said you know what we should I wonder if we started washing our hands in this little sore little acidic solution and so he started doing that and his infection rate plummeted and so if any good doctor again would say how you guys look what I found look what I've discovered but all of the physicians who are much older than him and I talk about in the book the way you judge someone's stature in the medical community is the length of their white coat right and so he was a young doctor and he had a short coat but these older guys whose coats drugged the ground like a wedding dress trained they he was not going to tell them anything then we're gonna listen to him he was a silly young little punk right and so nobody would listen he wrote papers he published his research he had the figures he had the numbers it was black and white he was right but nobody would listen and so they wound up destroying his medical career and he wound up in anis in an insane asylum and during the processing of the booking he got the crap beat out of him by the orderlies and got cut up and bruised and stuff and wound up getting an infection and dying probably died from this one of the same bacteria that he was trying to save the women from and so I think it's such a powerful poignant example of how you can be absolutely right but if you don't present it properly you're not gonna help anybody and so I think that that story's so important for doctors to understand on multiple levels not only do you have to put your thinking cap on and not just rest on your laurels I don't care how long your white coat is I don't care you can still be wrong and you can still be egregiously wrong right and so but then also you have to look you have to always be learning I always be reading always be thinking and but then what some young punk comes along with an idea you don't immediately discount that you give it you give it it today in court and saying let's think about that does that make any sense right and now any of us it's just a common man walking the street would know you should wash your hands before you deliver a baby but back then that was just not on the right arm it's so crazy I mean it's such a great story and do you think in medicine now there's a lot of things that we do like a similar assembly wise example is the ketogenic diet kind of one of these where a lot of doctors are saying oh oh you shouldn't eat fat there are multiple examples of this because what was going on back then was not some special stupidity on their part that was human nature playing out that was that's just normal human nature and we have not evolved since then we are the same humans right and so that story repeats itself with different players and different topics every day and medicine and so a great example is the the helical dr. pylori cause of gastric ulcers when the doctor he was a pathologist and he when he first discovered this he's like you know I think this is causing that they were all laughed at him like he was a like that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard everybody knows it's from stress right and so he it took him decades for something that should have been adopted overnight it took decades for that to take effect in the medical community and there are still many many a doctor who thinks that it's just stress that's what causes ulcers and yeah it takes forever and in many professions like medicine it's kind of a joke but an ironic joke not a funny joke that before you can ever change the paradigm all the old gray-haired men have to die because they run the show they're in charge they know everything and so when a young doctor says hey you know what I think if you change their diet they might get healthier all the old doctors just laugh that's silly you said men and I do have a gender question because I sold supplements to doctors for many years and I found that generally female practitioners whether they're nurse practitioners do is whatever we're a little bit more open-minded do you think it's a male thing like this is how we do it in many ways it is a male thing you know I have encountered female providers who are just as closed-minded don't don't think that they're incapable of that they are capable but on average on average it's more likely that a female provide health care provider will be more open and will go hmm that makes a lot of sense let me think about that for a minute and I'm not sure as to why the sociobiology of that but all I know is that's that's the case on average was men we don't ask for directions we'll figure it out you know kind of thing but this is such a great point and I want to prevent myself and listeners and I know you do too from making the same mistakes could if you were to rewind the clock 20 years ago I would have told you egg whites are so healthy I always said oatmeal and egg whites that's the best breakfast you have to have this and so I think in my own life right now I'm like is this fasting until 2:00 or 3:00 p.m. am I gonna look back in 20 years and think that was dumb or eating keto do you ever question some of the things you're doing time yeah but that's that is the proper mindset because when you're doing that you're open to other possibilities to other options to tweaking this way or that way right and we were actually making a video of a recipe video and I said as a joke you know there are still people who eat egg white omelets to this day and they think they're doing a great service to their health right and they probably are making egg white omelets for their children thinking that they're really getting them a head start in life not realizing that they're depriving them of much-needed fatty nutrition yeah well it comes in the can now you just pour the egg whites liquid anyway it's okay baby my egg yolk a you don't even need those anymore chicken throw those things right yeah it's pretty funny so we all need to have an open mind I was as I was telling you offline David Perlmutter him and I were just talking about this so it's constantly evaluating and things like that and I know you're big on the converse diet I like people and to just kind of figure out what works with their own body cycle in and out do you recommend because I know it's been very helpful for you me only diets and I think periodically you throw in vegetables I don't know okay yeah have you find that's a great like reset button for folks yeah I think it is and I think it's a great way to realize that you can tweak your diet and nothing Bad's gonna happen and so but there are actually health care providers out there nutritionists who say do not eat a month of carnivore that could be dangerous not realizing just the silliness of that really so if I were stranded on the desert island and all I had to eat was bacon for a month I might die just in that month from just they doing that for one month I might die hmm okay and so but I think that gives people kind of a freedom when they're like okay you know dr. berry said I could eat I could eat rib eye and eggs and cheese and butter and bacon for a month I'm gonna do that but once you do that I think it frees you in many ways because first of all everything's back on the table right everything's back on the table which is how it should be all the time you should be you should be always be going I wonder if it's nuts I wonder if it's nightshades I wonder if it's right and for some people it's a quite it literally is per se so you for you yeah and so for so many people like if we hadn't come across this this ketogenic way in this low carb high fat you'd still be eating egg whites and had be chronically inflamed it'd have no idea that it was the egg whites doing it yeah does that make sense yeah and so I think the car the carnivore diet is a great way it's it's obviously the ultimate elimination diet because you're going to eliminate everything that's trying to keep you from eating it right because animals do that with teeth and claws that's how they try to keep you from eating them but once they're on the plate or kind of past that point and so all their defenses are gone and so you don't really have to worry about any inflammatory chemicals or anything being in the meat because that's not how they protect themselves plants on the other hand that's kind of how they protect themselves especially their seeds which contain their DNA right which that's if that gets crunched up and destroyed then they're done they're their lineage is over and so plants are very passive in their defense but yet defensive nonetheless they don't want to be eaten and I don't blame them I don't want to be eaten as either and so for many people when they go carnivore then they can start doing all these nutrition experiments because after you've been fatty meat carnivore for a month you can add back in brusca and see how you feel then you can try nuts and then you can try all these different things and you can pinpoint every single thing even the healthiest of things like cashews or egg whites or you know eggplant and go god that really inflamed me I must not maybe I'm not meant to eat that that's a good point you know and a lot of us eat the foods that were actually kind of allergic to were sensitive to either because we've overrating them that our immune system is making antibodies or whatever it so I first when the carniverous diet was coming on I'm like what about the microbiome what about this and I was like Mike you're you're putting yourself in a box and I would just ask my daughter I have a six year old days you know you met her on the cruise and we put all the vegetables out and meat sure enough what do you think she goes for for the meat so she doesn't want to deal with the vegetables and and I'm not influencing her anyway and so that to me was like and you know I love the taste of meat and like humans if we like it kids gravitated towards it how is it so bad and why do why do we have to dock why do we have to put bacon in vegetables for kids to eat them again it's not that they're bad but and I think that's a good rule of thumb to operate on as a parent with the caveat that if it's made in a factory then that doesn't that doesn't apply but if it's a natural whole food and your kids just naturally love that that probably means something good point yeah so do you encourage folks to cycle through like so they do a month of carnivore they lose the way they cut down the inflammation then if they want to have a salad or the one have this or that you'll encourage it but just listen your body so you're getting flavor and it's entirely in their hands at that point because once you go carnivore for a month you're kind of freed from all the shackles of all the dietary foolishness that you've been taught in your entire life and we've all been taught a lot of foolishness right by authorities who should have known better and by our mom and by our you know brother and sister and our grandmother who didn't any better and so once you've done that then you're free and so I did the carnivore as a month experiment I was just playing with it right but at the end of that month I felt so much better my chronic heart burned that which was 80% better on keto was gone zero none and I never have heartburn anymore which is still weird to me because I had heartburn for from my from probably 30 to 40 every day every day and so when the nexium drug rep would come patients never got those samples I got all those I took good one every day because I had to because I was dying of heartburn but when I went Kido got much much better but still at one maybe one day a week I'd have heartburn but with carnivore zero it's just completely gone and so that tells me that that my body likes that so at the end of that month I was like you know what why would I go back I'm gonna do another month and so I just keep adding months but I'm completely open at any point if I start to know I feel good if I start to whatever have a rash with anything joint inflammation then I'll go wonder what I'm missing and I'll start playing I'll tweak my diet trying to look for the perfect diet for me and for my ancestry you know it's such a great point and one that I like to encourage all people to do it because you're a bigger guy right and some people may not eat as much meat as you do if FF 4 foot 8 you know 99 pound female that's not active like you they may not eat exactly like you so I love to encourage people to just like try it on see if it fits and think for themselves that's all we have is channel so it's an awesome perspective but being that you're a bigger guy you're eating a lot more protein part than the average Joe the whole one meal a day thing has gotten pretty popular as of late I know when I travel I'm not as active I do that what have you found where does it change what time like with your meal frequency it it depends on the family situation the social situation but on the average day I one big fatty meat meal a day that's what I do now and I've been doing that for months with carnivore because during the day when I'm at the office I'm back-to-back booked up and so I sip on some buttery salty coffee and that keeps me from ever being hungry keeps me mentally very alert very awake very clear and then when I get home I have my meal with with Nisha but then sometimes she'll come to the office and we'll go have lunch and I'll have some ribs or something at the you know restaurant if we're in a hurry I'll go to Wendy's and get to triple cheeseburgers right and just eat the the meat and the cheese and the bacon and leave everything else and that still works very well for me but yeah I usually would milla dates what I'm doing and it's not it wasn't a goal of mine it just kind of naturally occurred fits with their schedule and everyone carnivore and then it fits perfectly with my weekly day-to-day schedule yeah that's awesome do you mind telling folks how old you're gonna be on Sunday I'm gonna be fifty in two days amazing it'd look really good yeah thanks yeah and your brains on your skins great you're lean yeah that's fantastic you know I do a lot of these interviews and some folks over 50 and they don't nearly look as good as you can so Thanks what you're doing is working which is awesome to want people that they can see from that camera which is really really cool what habit are you doing now that you wish you would have done 10 15 years ago listening to my body and eating the proper diet and I was just talking to Misha on the way up here today I feel better at 50 then I felt at 35 and that shouldn't be something that a human should say that shouldn't be the case what's at all right but I think I hear that all the time from patients in the clinic and people on social media it's like oh my god I haven't felt this good in 20 years that means we've been doing a lot of things wrong and it means that we've got a lot of room for improvement and so if a 50 year old can feel just as good and not look too shabby as a 35 year old and that that's powerful I mean how powerful is that right and currently in the United States we've got all these epidemics of chronic disease obesity type 2 diabetes and a lot of people think oh diabetes you know there's type 1 in type 2 and your mind media immediately goes to oh it's probably 50/50 but people don't realize that 90 to 95 percent of diabetes is type 2 it's basically self inflicted by your diet and when you start to realize hey that guy's 50 he looks great he acts like he feels great he was I was a pre-diabetic I had a a 1c of 6.2 I mean I was on the cusp of becoming a type-2 diabetic back when I almost weighed 300 pounds when I had chronic heartburn when I had dandruff when I had my knees in the mornings I walked around like a 80 year old man that was all self-inflicted but I had no idea and I was a I was a young doctor right and you couldn't tell me you know I was like what what no come on I know what I'm doing I took nutrition in medical school right I know I know I'm supposed to eat lots of whole grains and light and you know a jog and and drink skim milk and eat lots of fruit and so that's what I was doing and I was getting fatter and sicker by the month and now that I've removed all the stuff that does not jive with my DNA and with my gut bacteria which may be important or may be eminently important we don't really know yet I think that's a subject that's wide open for so much research to be done but currently we don't know much about it and there are a lot of experts in the field that will pretend to know a lot about it but currently we don't really know much about that it's a good point I want to get your health stuff but since we're on this topic that's one reason why the carnivorous diet to me was like whoa hold on how were we feeling the microbiome itself exactly and I was I was very worried about that that first month and I thought I'm just gonna do it for a month so what's the big deal I can always go back and I can take some probiotics and I can you know drink some kefir and do all this stuff and fix that if it messes it up but what most carnivores find is that their gut symptoms either get 90% better or go completely away and so people with chronic constipation that they took a prescription for it gets better and goes away people with irritable bowel with Crohn's with ulcerative colitis with severe skin disorders all that stuff just kind of magically goes away and I know right now for so many people listening it sounds almost like a panacea like yeah that's snake oil right but then you got to think well yeah but he ain't selling nothing and so anytime you know I got a guy who's been to school is telling you hey this fixes a lot of stuff and I also don't have anything to sell you you should maybe listen to that right but then if I say oh and I've got this line of supplements then you're like wait a minute now but I don't have I don't have that and I never will because you don't need that you just need to eat real food that's appropriate for your biochemistry in your DNA that's such a good point I was thinking about that the how people are gonna monetize the whole carnivorous movement because how many recipes can you create with it you have meat in the capsule I don't know but just eat a ribbon or a recipe books like rosemary and then bake it like you know what I mean it's salt pepper there's not too many options right and I think that's there's so many people scrambling as you know in the Quito space trying to come up with any kind of supplement or any kind of thing where they can cash in on it and that also we're right back to human nature and that's not evil that's not a conspiracy that's just what we do especially if you're in the u.s. you're gonna try to make a profit off something that's how we're raised that's what we do and so I think that in order to get paid for this your profits gonna have to be very passive you're not gonna have products to sell you're just going to teach people how to be healthy and if you can monetize that then hallelujah do it but there's not gonna be billions of dollars made in the carnivore space there's not gonna be billions of dollars made in the Kito space because you just don't you don't need products you just need to eat real food yeah and it's pretty simple people might fall off and then you can coach them along there could be some coaching programs or things like that which is pretty interesting but you know going back to the whole microbiome thing because in 2014 or what this book belly fat effect a lot of information on endotoxin and all that so I was just like myopically focused on that research and so I oftentimes overcompensate my wife and I would have all these vegetables that felt like I had to get strive to get you know all these different types of fiber and sometimes we'd have tons of gas and everything and so it's funny how you know we think we're doing something healthy but then they're out of season some of the stuff is shipped all over the country so it kind of went against what I try to preach about local and then since you know being inspired slowly over time to eat more meat you know carnivorous and cut that out digestion is better so it's really again I'm not anti veggie I'm not saying everyone should go yeah totally great so and I think some people depending where you're where you're from over the last 20,000 years I think that some people do better with some veg and I think some people may even do better with a lot of veg but if if you know your 23andme data or your you know your ancestral where you're from then I think that can point you towards what you should eat and so Nisha and I did our 23andme and it turns out that I'm Nordic scotch-irish German and more neanderthal than 97% of the u.s. population and so when I got to reading and I watched a great video by dr. Michael EADS talking about that we can actually go back and we can do carbon and nitrogen dating on these people and we can tell you exactly what they whether it was seafood whether it was mainly veg whether it was mainly meat and so when the Ender Thals and everybody above a certain latitude basically live for 11 months out of the year on fatty meat and so I'm like that's that was kind of the last straw I'm like okay I'm gonna try for a month because now that it makes ancestral sense as well as a lot of people are really doing well on it I think I'm gonna give it a try but I think people who ancestors are more equatorial they might do better with more veg right and I still think I think fatty meat is vital for human development and human optimization don't get me wrong so I think meats important for every single human but I think some humans do much better with more veg then maybe I would that's a good point one of the things that I see is kind of its novelty syndrome where people hear about paleo they hop on paleo then Aikido then carnivore now they're going fasting mimicry what would you say to someone in terms of like is important to stick with the program or kind of I don't think so and I totally get your point that oh it's the latest thing you know it's the new diet oh I'm gonna try that but I think what the difference is is that when you jump on a fad the fad doesn't really change your life and so you know you might buy that new pair of boots or you might get that new supplement or that new new atrophic but then after three months of buying it you're like I can't really tell it did anything right and so then that's when fads die is when it's revealed that there really no better than the thing you were doing and but what happens with Kido and carnivore is these people it changes their life like it wakes them up mentally and physically and they are back to a to a degree of optimization that they never hoped to attain again and so I think that's not a fad right and so it's hard to know when you're right in the middle of a situation are we chasing fads or are we evolving our knowledge base and going out and in what I personally believe is that we're rediscovering the proper human diet is what we're doing and so for the last 78 years we've been preached to by all these associations and organizations and all these doctors and long white coats who thought they knew based on some fallacious research what we shouldn't you need turns out they were probably completely and totally wrong and so I don't think this is a fad but I could be wrong good yeah I could be totally wrong and I always have that that doors open for me all the time because I'm a lot like Dave filming in that respect I'm happy for you to prove me wrong because I just learned something and so either way I win either I'm right now in or you teach me something and I get smarter and then I went so either way I'm happy for I'm happy to be shown to be wrong I'm not opposed to that whatsoever but I see people trying to do that and having trouble with that not me personally but these these movements that we're having kind of in this dietary grassroots revolution it's an evolution or revolution however you want to look at it but this is coming from the bottom-up fads usually come from mainstream marketing and media and go down to the masses but this is literally simmering and bullying in the masses and bullying to the top and so I really think it's hard when you look at this objectively to call that a fad yeah it's a good point yeah I I agree I don't think it's a fad I mean if you look from an evolutionary perspective where there's carnivore Aikido eating seasonally I mean that's what humans thought that was the only option right that you would do so anyway and so when I see vegans vegetarians say Kito's bad or carnivores bad I have my own things that I like to say when I'm curious what like what would you say because there's a few influential vegan folks that are Kito and i'm like but yet there are athletes and they're probably burning ketones when their allies exactly what do you say to them and well there's there's two schools who are really aggressive at trying to push back and that's our vegan brothers and sisters who we love and respect and then also the calories in calories out people right the calorie restriction people you got to burn more than you eat or you have to be in a calorie deficit or you cannot lose weight and so I think that we've proven beyond doubt with the science and with the common sense that those that's that's wrong that's not true at all weight loss and reversing things like type-2 diabetes it's all hormonal II related and you basically hack your hormones by the food you eat and you can hack them in the wrong way or you can hack them in the right way and so I think that you will see over the coming months and years the calories in calories out people starting to recede and starting to lose followers and starting to kind of become kind of peripheral because it obviously so here like for example the calories in calories out model of weight loss has been around for a hundred years and so if it worked there wouldn't be an obesity epidemic right now unless you want to just look at the majority of the u.s. populations and and say you guys are gluttons and you're sloths and you suck and you're you're lazy and you just want to lay on the couch and eat Eminem's all day that's what's wrong with you it's your fault now if you're that guy and you like to say that to people then I guess I guess there's money to be made there but when you say to people no actually there's nothing wrong with you you're not broken you're not defective you're not weak it's actually the diet you were taught to eat that's keeping you beat down and so if you'd like to rise up and kind of reclaim your human glory feed your body what it needs and take the slow poisons out of your diet and magical things happen great point as a physician you probably have seen this many times I mean as a kid we you know you see an overweight challenge you're like oh they're lazy or whatever sloth things like that those thoughts get tossed around in things but when I was a nutritionist with an MD internal medicine doctor are Guillory in Denver I would meet with these everyway people and they were very motivated doing everything they could they were totally opposite and we have mutual friends that are overweight that are very motivated referring people we know you've seen that in a clinic so this hormonal thing there's a microbiome who knows what else but that I think anyone should wash that thought out because it's really yeah well first of all it's offensive to the majority of people who are honestly trying the best they know how and failing and so I can remember one lady in particular who broke down in tears in my office and she said I have tried Weight Watchers six times now if she weren't motivated why would she have done it six times something that obviously didn't work the first time or the second or the third Weight Watchers has been around since what 1969 and so if Weight Watchers worked sorry if I'm stepping on and you know an advertising toll but it obviously doesn't work or we wouldn't have an obesity epidemic in the United States but we do and it's getting bigger every day so obviously that don't work so these people you're right they're very motivated they're trying everything they know and for some people all they know is what they see advertising on TV and they're like oh wait Watchers has got a new program I'm gonna give it a try want to try it again because maybe I wasn't doing it right right and so you're right these people are motivated they want to be who doesn't want to be healthy right and so it's my contention that the human body the human being is made to be happy and healthy and fit and motivated all that stuff is hardwired into us or we wouldn't rule the planet right we wouldn't be here wouldn't be here first of all but secondly we wouldn't be the preeminent species on this planet we kind of we kind of run the show and the reason is is that we're built so well so effectively I mean we're we take over everything and sometimes that's looked at as a negative trait and sometimes it is right like oh I've got a country I'm going to take your country too and that's just kind of how we are and so to act like that a large percentage of us are just fat and lazy and stupid very disrespectful very very dishonest in my opinion no they've got the same DNA as you do Bubba they're just eating their own food they're living the wrong life styling which once you removed the slow poison and once you actually give them the tools and the knowledge that they need they flourish I see it every day I have people dry from four or five states over to see me at the office just to tell me look what you've done to me this is my before picture and this is me now I feel better I had a guy who drives around the country he said I feel better at 75 then I felt at 50 and so that makes me feel hopeful right like oh good so 75 ain't a bad and so but yeah I hear that that story repeated every day it's like I wasn't lazy I wasn't stupid I wasn't I wasn't a good and I just didn't know what to do nobody would tell me the right steps to take and I think once you tell those people this is you do this this this and this it worked and then it keeps working and then it's sustainable it's effortless it's delicious why would I not do that and so I don't every diet that I've ever recommended in my medical practice and so when I first started I would recommend the American Heart Association diet the ATA diet the Weight Watchers Jenny Craig joined the gym oh and I used to literally save the phrase it's easy you just got to burn more calories than you eat I would say that to people how ignorant I was right and they're like looking at me like dude you don't think I thought of that you don't think I've tried that 50 times it doesn't work and they're right it doesn't work right you're right yeah I think there's a few people in the fitness space that are being into this calorie counting thing and I feel like they're digging it's this some cost bias because they've been promoting this forever they can't back out a whole now so there's no digging dig dig yeah and so either they're gonna admit they're wrong like I did how I was an idiot I was an ignorant fat lazy mentally lazy miserable doctor but I kept saying the same crap over and over to the patients as they would glance down at my belly and go oh yeah okay so if I want to look like you I should do what you say and that's I weighed almost 300 pounds what do you weigh now for reference aha 235 okay yeah yeah and so yeah I know but I was I was entrenched then as well because that's all I knew that was my only tool I had right only bullet in my gun and so I didn't know what else to tell them so I would just keep repeating that thing over and over and I see people get in slap fights on Twitter every day it's like no you just have to be in a calorie deficit and I just I don't I never argue but I think do you not think they thought of that they thought of that we've known about that for a hundred years that's not working so it's gonna be very interesting to watch the migration of these people how are they going to justify that and shift their paradigm without just saying I was completely totally wrong they rely upon a few metabolic award studies that are short-term and what's cool is there's a lot of studies that are comparing is it the calories where is it the hormones they're doing steady-state calorie restriction versus this intermittent fasting approach and I know one University I've been going back and forth with an author out of the UK somewhere in England and then I think David Ludwig just published something a few weeks ago so it's really cool it's alright the data is coming out in humans long term so we can stop arguing over this because it gets silly and some of the people are really like you know they're out there very aggressive yeah that's really funny well you mentioned that you were on PBS proton pump inhibitors inhibitors a lot of people struggled to get off that psychologically and physiologically how did you make that transition well I just stopped meeting them because I had changed my diet to the point where I wasn't inflaming my gut anymore and who knows what else is there a microbiome connection perhaps do we know for sure no we don't right and so obviously more research needs to be done on that I have no doubt about that but for whatever reason I just stopped needing them and so people don't take medicine because they want to take medicine they take medicine because they have symptoms and they take medicine because their doctor told them I needed it right and so I have so many people who come to me for refills and in a very busy busy medical practice it's very easy just to click the button and shoot in a refill but if I say to them now do you need this nexium every day and they're like what I don't know I guess I'm like I tell you what go to every other day start taking it every other day and then if you don't have any more symptoms after a month of that try going to every third day and so I kind of build in a wean down schedule without them even knowing that's what I'm doing and so because people are happy not to pay a copay right happy not to take a pill every day and so once they're able to go every other day they're like hey I didn't die I'm not having this severe pain I used to have but they're also eating Kido or they're also eating carnivore and so they need to stop it and they don't need it anymore and they're ecstatic about that they're not sad they don't miss their daily pill they're happy that they've got one less shackle holding them back that's a good point I made long-term there's some pretty negative research coming out on PPI so even one paper I think Alzheimer's were at risk of all that Alzheimer's dementia your risk of pneumonia your risk of brittle bones huge risk factor for osteoporosis and then cancer all kinds of different things go up remarkably when you take when you mindlessly take a proton pump inhibitor for years and years and years your stomach acid is there for a reason it's there for a reason right we have one of the most acidic stomachs in the mammalian family most mammals don't have a 1.5 stomach pH and so first of all that must mean something we must have that for a reason and secondly you shouldn't block that acid that's probably there because we need it interesting you know it's funny like your colleagues medical doctors of all sorts talk about evidence-based medicine we got to practice evidence-based medicine and if you look at the evidence and I think the indication of keep you eyes it's very short-term like two or three weeks right that's all these patients and doctors love and it's true evidence-based medicine is very powerful and it's a very real thing and we should totally abide by meaningful real evidence-based medicine but what most people don't realize and some providers I think don't realize is there's a hierarchy to evidence right the randomized double-blinded control trial that is the cream of the crop that's the best evidence there is right because you blind the researchers so they're biased and creep in and you double blind everybody so nobody knows what anybody's getting that's real meaningful research and then then you know then we go down to cohort studies observational studies and then the very last rung of the ladder is expert opinion right and so so many doctors don't realize that the evidence that they're practicing is based exclusively on expert opinion so basically you've got a bunch of guys with long white coats in a room in Harvard and they said well I think you should I think it's fine to take a proton pump inhibitor I think it's no big deal is it has any has anybody done the randomized control trial of let's put 5,000 people on a PPI every day for 25 years and let's not do it to these people let's see what happens that's never been done right you can't do that because they wanted to get that drug on the market and make billions of dollars and so so many drugs that we take every day when you look it up in the in the PDR one of our electronic references mechanism of action unknown literally says unknown are not known or not fully understood so we're prescribing this potentially deadly biochemical to people and there's not been a single long-term randomized double-blinded trial for this drug maybe there's been an 18-month study maybe a 24 month study that's it that is it for every drug on the market today that is it and so many drugs if you have a side effect or a complication the drug manufacturer actually gives you an 800 number and you call the drug manufacturer and you're like wait a minute what and so do you think it's you think it's in their best financial interest to go you know we got 82,000 calls last year about this drug maybe we should do something about that no only when when enough people are harmed that the federal government gets involved then something might happen and often all they'll do is put a black box warning on the in the literature which means you can still prescribe it and it says oh this might kill your patient in the black box but then nobody's died because you haven't done these long studies so doctors keep ascribing it it's crazy I mean I think we all joke about it if we watch the Super Bowl or Sunday Night Football and all the warnings after a certain medication yeah come up may cause death irritable you know yeah I think the only one the the the erectile dysfunction drugs like to talk about is this may cause an erection in the last three hours and all the guys are looking like what is this thing you know that's the only positive side effect but yeah it's this polypharmacy - and just as a side note I love that you are able to talk about this because a lot of people I think get stuck in a box they talk about Kido and that's all they know but you have videos on prostate health on thyroid Hashimoto's diabetes like you're talking about the whole body and keto is a piece of that a big part of it but you like you're striving to get people to improve their the health of their entire body and I try to reach out while like with the YouTube videos I'll try to hit a certain topic and then I'm like oh and also you should eat this diet as well right because that in my opinion that is the appropriate human diets and so not only do they fix the their sleep or their prostate or the reflux but they also start to eat a better diet and I think that's a win for them and for me yeah are you cool - switching gears a little bit talking about the thyroid we've talked about this before on a Facebook live with dr. John lemansky a lot of people have this perception that if they fast or they go keto their thyroid is gonna get Auto out of whack and I think it gets it's concerning for people they're like oh I don't want to do keto coz the paleo mom said you shouldn't do it because your thyroid so what's up for that so the thyroid gland is a is eminently important in human physiology first of all it's very important gland some people call it a master gland right it's also very poorly understood by most doctors thinking about I used to be a carpenter in a cabinetmaker and so when you cut crown mold to put up you have to cut it upside down and backwards to get the cut to be right and any carpenters out there they'll be like yeah he's right you do have to do that and so I talk about thyroid because you have to think about it upside down and backwards and so if you've gotten so many doctors how I have had people come to me and say my doctor said I've got hyperthyroidism and I look in there TSH is high and so he's so uneducated they're easily forgotten what he was taught he thinks that a high TSH means hyperthyroidism and it's like wow yeah I'm glad you came to see me because he wasn't gonna he was about to not help you at all with your thyroid issue and so I think the most important question that any of us should ask is why do we have all these thyroid conditions I think that's a huge question that needs to be addressed with research because I don't know the answer currently I don't know why I'm obviously it's modern lifestyle of diet but I don't know exactly why but thyroid hypothyroidism and and autoimmune thyroiditis is becoming way too common and I think that's a big problem that some researcher needs to tackle and figure out why but that's not my job my job is to help them optimize their thyroid when they're sitting in front of me and then to make videos and help people understand their thyroid and understand and to help them to help their doctor understand their thyroid because many patients have taught doctors about thyroid because doctors you just hear you write that you're done or I send you to endocrinology that's the extent of most doctors thyroid treatment which is scary I mean considering the prevalence of Hashimoto's Elise in women and everything like that do you recommend like a micronized t3 or a t3 t4 yeah I use only desiccated natural thyroid that's what I use I use armor I use NP I use WP nature and Eartha in Canada because those those contain so everybody knows about t3 and t4 but they forget there's also a t0 and a t1 and a t2 there's also calcitonin all that is what the thyroids about right and so if you give somebody the synthetic thyroid replacement it's fake t4 that's all it is and it's not even real t4 it's just fake t4 and so you're ignoring all the other T's in the calcitonin and the iodine of the situation and so the thyroids much more complicated than that and so giving them a fake t4 replacement you might improve their symptoms but when we start looking at long-term health and we start looking at optimization you're not really helping that patient at all and so the thyroid is eminently important iodine is a big deal that's far under addressed in my opinion there's virtually no iodine whatsoever in the average American diet and so so many people when they just start using an iodine supplement like Lugar solution or one of the others they magically feel better they're like no you don't understand it's like a light came on in my brain these are quotes that I've heard from patients I've had cold hands and cold feet for the last 20 years I don't that anymore it's like a veil has been lifted off of my eyes it's like I can think clearly now all this stuff I hear because doctors think and most patients think that their only iodine receptors in the thyroid gland that the thyroid that's all that uses iodine not true at all there are iodine receptors in the brain there are iodine receptors in the gonads and the breast tissue all over the body the entire body needs iodine and but most doctors have no clue about that and so that basically throttles any effect they can have on the patient long term such a good point I have I don't in my bag over there yeah yeah I just love it I mean they always travel with it it's good especially when you're traveling too because I mean it's good to displace the halogens like if you're getting like filtered water or unfiltered water with chlorine and fluoride and all that yeah and so many myths about the thyroid gland and so the I've actually got a youtube video about this one old brassicas if you eat too many brassicas it could cause high profile that out loud on social media ridiculous okay and so I actually when I was doing the research for that video they're the only research that even speaks to that is there's one case study from Asia where this little Asian lady and who knows what her other health issues were right she was eating six or seven pounds of bok choy every day that was she just lived on bok choy and but and they discovered she had hypothyroidism and so the doctor wrote up this case study which on the hierarchy of of meaningful research is just above expert opinion just a case study of one person but it was such a weird thing and it was such it's one of those concepts that you go huh maybe there's something to that and so even even authorities in the space if they don't say brassicas might lower your thyroid function they'll still say and then you know there's the Brassica thing so you know i don't know it's but even mentioning it plants it right and he planted the seed and now they're gonna worry about too much broccoli no there's zero research that shows that brassicas have any bad effect on your thyroid function whatsoever there just none and then there's the the myth that oh if you eat two low-carb you can exacerbate Hashimoto's and there's even the the myth that if you take an iodine supplement it could cause your your thyroid without us to get worse completely ignoring all the other tissues that need iodine right and also ignoring the fact that you're probably deficient in iodine and also ignoring the fact that if you take too much iodine if you have normal kidney function you just urinate it out it's nothing right it's like taking too much magnesium or too much potassium it means nothing if you have normal renal function and so there's so many myths around the thyroid and it's because it's so poorly understood yeah is that a topic that you love to study I mean in addition to keto you have a big passion for Hashimoto's in thyroid I love the thyroid and everything that pertains to it super interesting well you know some of the people that that's a keto is bad because the thyroid they look at because it affects the thyroid and all that they look at the epilepsy research and children they don't understand that some of the antipathetic drugs that the kids are on affect the thyroid so they kind of they kind of blur Oh we'll see keto is bad be like well those drugs are inherently and so those children that are on a therapeutic ketogenic diet or basically guzzling vegetable oil to get their fat macro up right and so if you if you know much about the ketogenic way of eating at all you know that vegetables are not a part of that because they're very inflammatory and so these children they have more fractures and they have they can have thyroid issues but it's not because of the low carbohydrate nature of the diet it's because of the type of ketogenic diet they were put on it's a therapeutic diet in back then they didn't know vegetable oils were inflammatory so they would just let him drink canola or drink corn oil or drink soybean oil and so that's how they got their fat Mac grow up to keep them from having seizures and it does work it keeps them from having seizures but you can also feed those children a healthy ketogenic diet and they won't have seizures but also they won't have those other problems you know I was diving into some that research because I know we might go there and also I mean I think this is my perspective if you're on the diet you're losing weight on a ketogenic diet because you're overweight right and you're like well what about my thyroid well how's your energy how's your bowel movement are you used to have cold hands and feet like if your TSH drops or increases slightly but your symptoms don't exhaust me then who gives it right and one thing that a lot of people don't realize is that your TSH fluctuates daily it can go up or down three or four points from a day-to-day basis but nobody knows that because we've never done the study where we check your TSH every day for three months and just see what it does and you would see that daily fluctuation of a point or two or three but and so then if you get your TSH checked after you've been keto for three months and your TSH went down or went up you're like oh look what it did but that's not really that's not an important marker for thyroid disease the TSH is one of the least important markers right and especially for thyroiditis it's essentially meaningless and so so many people are running around with severe thyroiditis Hashimoto's or otherwise and they have no idea because all their doctor checked was a TSH and so then to come back around and say oh the TSH went up three points this is a bad diet for you you should stop it it's just it's kind of silly mmm yeah good point you missed the TSH and then you showed your labs a few months ago and I was really impressed your testosterone was in the 600's and free and I just had a client this morning I was reviewing his labs and his told he's only 34 big muscular guys strong guy I was expecting like nine hundred right and as T was in the four hundred range he's free was two I was like man that is crazy so did you notice the difference with going back to the carnivorous diet I know Shaun Baker talks about this a lot liked it he just free testosterone you know more recovery more kind of youthful vigor when I went from the Paleo diet which I was on for several years to the ketogenic diet I kind of felt like that I put on muscle and it's because when you go keto you're gonna just naturally eat more fatty meat right and but I don't know everybody said oh you look great you must be working out and I'm like no I don't don't work out but then when I switched to the carnivore died about ten months ago it had a noticeable increase in muscle mass and I'm like I don't know what's going on anisha's he was like are you doing push-ups when I'm behind my back or something no and so I think that like I said earlier I think we're built to be happy and healthy and vigorous and smart and strong look at the lion on the Savannah right he lays around his sleeps for three days yet when he gets up and walks he's rippling muscle he doesn't work out he doesn't lift weights he sleeps all the time until it's time to go home but when he eats the proper diets that's his body stays there that's where he stays that's his normal and and my contention is that's the human normal our normal is to be vigorous and healthy and strong and smart but when you introduce a slow poison like grains or like sugars are like vegetable oils we start to get sick and slow and stupid and so I think that when you start to refeed the human animal what it's supposed to eat it just naturally kind of goes back to a healthy youthful strong smart normal that's normal the normal that we've had for the last 50 years ain't normal it's it's it's the normal that you have when you eat slow poison three or four or five or six times a day good point there's that book folks this ain't normal he's a farmer I'm forgetting his name in North Carolina he was in a lot of different fed up in those different types of movies but he talks about how you know like kids for example don't go out and farm anymore throwing out the egg yolk and the whites so yeah this is a normal so I've read some research that age-related declines in testosterone are not normal that if you look at folks and uh none industrialized parts of Africa and South America you know like you've mentioned that patient that's 75 their testosterone might be five six hundred but why are you seeing like young men like loads oh yeah when I see a patient who's eating the standard American diet or the stupid American diet whichever you want to call it invariably they come in and I had one guy he was in his early 20s and he his chief complaint was I was watching TV and a cat food commercial came on and I teared up and started crying and a cat food commercial and I'm like oh you got loti I have to check your labs and it turns out he was 22 23 his total testosterone was 220 or something and so he had effectively become his grandmother right as a 22 year old and so when he was he was weak he was pale he just looks sad mentally and then just from a just looking at him he just looks sad like a sad weak little fella and so we started fixing his diet and we also optimized his testosterone and six months later when he came back I literally did not recognize who he was and so like five minutes into the interview I'm like mentally I'm like you're that guy holy crap yeah yeah and he was a completely different human six months later after he had stopped eating Cheetos and drinking Pepsi all day and had started optimizing his testosterone he was the human he was meant to be he was back to just that normal 23 year old good healthy good-looking strong vigorous guy that's how we're supposed to be and once you get the slow poison out of your diet and optimize whatever needs to be optimized this is normal yeah such a good point I think hormones are such a video for self-image self-esteem how we perceive the world around us and all that but let's kind of finish up on diabetes I know that's a huge passion for you as yours and and being in the South I've heard you say you know Patras just outside of Nashville the county that you practice in is one of the most unhealthy counties in the whole state of Tennessee in the whole state that's right yeah there's what 99 counties and I think it was 97 and so at that point I was like okay either I'm doing a terrible job or this is just a why why is that so right and so like symbolize I said there's got to be a reason what is the reason or reasons and so at that point the more I read and I started looking at other parts of the country and they were sicker than my county and I said you know this is ridiculous we've got an American Diabetes Association we've got all these endocrinologist we've got a type-2 diabetes medication commercial on TV every 10 seconds but yet the epidemic of type 2 diabetes is skyrocketing and not even slowing down at all for a minute there there was a blip in the end the curve and everybody's like Oh see it's getting better but then the next year it was going right back up again and so yeah and that that really pissed me off and I'm like this is ludicrous we're the word one of the most developed countries in the world and yet we're sicker we're on all these shots all these pills in eating this diet that's supposed to be helping but is actually not helping at all this is ridiculous there's room here for improvement and so I kind of made it my mission to to just at that point single-handedly try to do something to break the back of the of the twin epidemics of obesity and type 2 diabetes and so many of my videos are about that because it's ridiculous when a doctor says oh you have type 2 diabetes that's a permanent condition all you can do is take pills and shots and insulin and eat the American Diabetes Association diet that's terrible that's terrible advice that should be malpractice and I think five years from now will be looked at as malpractice but right now it's the state of practice and so that's it I can't I can't rest I can't not make videos and not go live well that kind of foolishness is going on out there and people's moms and dads people's grandparents are being given that information people are losing their grandpa they're losing their mom they're in the nursing home that had a stroke or they're dead or they've lost a foot or they're blind now I can't go out and play with the grandkids because I'm blind because of this damn type-2 diabetes that just infuriates me this is all this is unnecessary all this is can be prevented easily and I'm not talking about being prevented with $5,000 a month of medication I'm talking about just stop eating the slow poison that your doctor told you to eat such a good point I was looking at the American diabetic Association website because when I was doing research for the book belly fat effect I remember they recommended it was very high carb like processed food and it's slowly going more low carb very very delicately they're not using keto low-carb wordage but yeah they're very slowly backing away one day I was making a video about it and I was going to post a couple of pictures on their website of recipes that they recommended and so there's this breakfast it was it was it was whole-wheat pancakes orange juice and eyford what else I don't know and whole wheat toast probably and maybe one tiny little piece of meat maybe an egg white and so when I clicked on it it was gone it was not there and I'm like oh okay excellent very nice and I have also been watching the ad a website and there's very slowly starting to say you know you should need to eat carbohydrates are not bad but you shouldn't eat too many of them you should eat try to eat fewer carbohydrates yeah and they don't say you know you only have three macronutrients you have fat protein carbohydrates and so if you eat less carbohydrates you got to eat more or something and so not once if they said you got to eat more fat but they they are starting to say you shouldn't eat too many processed carbohydrates and that makes me happy yeah it's it's gonna be interesting seeing how they're gonna back people on this well for sure and I predict there will never be a press release where they say yeah we were wrong about all that that's never gonna happen cuz that's not human nature right so they're gonna slowly back away they're gonna slowly take down recipes they're gonna slowly take pictures off the website and ten years from now when you go to the American Diabetes Association if they still exist what you'll see is a bunch of pictures of meat and green vegetables and that's all you'll see on their website yeah which is pretty funny it's uh and they're gonna sell well we've been recommending this holding this whole time yeah of course everybody's know that the way to go yeah really that old management they they promoted that stuff you know yeah and it's gonna be very interesting as a studying human nature and anthropology how they're going to gently pull away from that without accepting blame because that's also human nature that's a good point yeah so I know you have a lot of great videos but if there was like three or two do you know four things that that someone that had pre-diabetes were had an aunt or an uncle or a grandparent with diabetes what are the I mean we already had to put the diet and stuff like that is that the most important thing in your absolutely died by diet is the only thing you should focus on it cuz I know that I'm a big proponent of the 80/20 right I want you to focus all your money and all your time and all your energy on what's going to give you 80% of your benefits don't waste your time and so I have all these people come in they're like well I pay to $85 for this probiotic and I'm like I'm not talking bad about the probiotic but you're focusing on the wrong thing right and so another great exam Blizz I've got a shotgun and I've got a BB gun Mike and I'm gonna shoot you with one of them which one do you pick duh right but so many people are focusing on the BB gun and ignoring the shotgun that's pointed right at their face and so I try to tell people it's very easy to fix your diet there are really three basic first step step one get rid of all sugars of all kind even locally-sourced and even organic organic locally grown honey is just as bad as honey from Walmart when it comes to type-2 diabetes next is to get rid of all grains and all grains are just as bad as any other grain whether it's whole wheat or whether it's bunny bread get rid of it get rid of oats get rid of corn get rid of the other grain right you want to you don't advise you don't want any grains in your diet if you're a type 2 diabetic because they convert immediately to sugar as soon as you digest them right and then step 3 is to get rid of all vegetable oils whether it's canola corn soy any of those guys safflower they got to go you've got to reuse real fats when you cook like buttering like lard in like ghee and like avocado and olive those are real oils that humans have been using for thousands of years and so if your if any of your food is made in a factory if it comes in a cardboard box if it has more than three ingredients its garbage it's gonna make your diabetes worse throw it away and so with those three steps most people can can improve their a1c score by 50% just by getting rid of those three things out of their diet you're gonna naturally replace those things with real food and then you're gonna get healthier great point I got a D on the other day from someone and she said I didn't know this person you know you get these random messages I know hey Mike I was I'm on this Herbalife or some sort of protein thing for weight loss and detox and stuff and I just wrote back it's probably crap what do you think about all these powders and potions and yeah they're all crap and so what what my usual answer is hey what do you think about this protein powder or this collagen powder or this branched chain amino acid powder my reply is eat mate two words eat meat and so a lot of times they're like they get a little triggered by that because it's like why I thought you're gonna help me I'm like I did but then also some people are like oh yeah mates got all that stuff doesn't it it's got all the amino acids it's got lots of protein that's got all the all the amino acids all the essential amino acids are in a steak or in an egg and so yeah stop that stop buying pills and powders and potions and I'll tell you what I think is going on in America we've been trained if you have a problem you go buy a product to solve that problem that's how we think and that's kind of the Western Way of thinking right whereas a more Eastern way of thinking would be if you have a problem what can you remove from the situation to fix the problem and so I think that we're we've gotten too gung-ho with our Western Way of thinking I need a powder I need a pill I need a protein bar I need a prescription no you just need to remove the slow poisons step one sugar step two grains step three vegetable oils when you remove those things your health gets magically better you don't have to go out and buy more products to replace those products you just have to eat real food such a good point yeah and you know people like ourselves and your wife you know what we're used to this going to healthy places to eat food and my food and all that stuff but when we travel like we are now going to an Airbnb I'm always impressed or actually I'm disappointed really but and all the it's always the the margarine I can't believe it's not butter and this was in New York was in Connecticut like every Airbnb that I go to it's like I have treats out for you make new friends because other people have been there I'm gonna leave the extra margin and stuff like that canola oil it's just crazy like we think as is the more you learn about the stuff in your social networks become healthier you think oh well no one eats that way but so many people the majority they try and that's why we have these epidemics that's why literally there are more people who are overweight and obese in the u.s. that are not it's over 50% now overweight and obese is the majority and it's because of that very thing you just said when you look in the fridge it's full of processed food like products not food and that's poison that's a slow poisoning so if I give you strychnine I'm gonna kill you dead in minutes right if I give you cyanide you're gone but if I give you canola oil you're not gonna be any you're gonna look fine you might have indigestion you might have some joint pain but you're not gonna make the connection because it's not immediate right it's a slow poison and so I think we've all been duped into eating these slow poisons thinking that it's healthy and it's led to all these epidemics of chronic disease that all of our loved ones are suffering from and it's time for to stop I've had enough it's time for it to stop and it's time for the regular person because obviously the experts in the ivory towers they're not going to hear this right now because you're basically calling into question everything they've ever said their entire career but if I tell you're my hairdresser and you tell your mechanic they're gonna go oh okay I'll give it a try and then all of a sudden their psoriasis is gone all of a sudden that need that he was on the joint replacement list for doesn't hurt anymore and he calls the surgeon who says yeah never mind right magic that's magic but it's really not it's just removing this low poison such a good point and it's funny I know you talked about this too but I do this all the time if I'm an uber or on an airplane I don't talk about we said what do you do I'm like I'm in sales and stuff like that and then they'll start talking about nutrition invariably and stuff like that and they get excited yeah I've heard about this keto thing I need to lose this belly fat you know as an uber driver I'm just sitting all day I said yeah give it a shot you only need to eat once a day and and stuff but anyway it's really interesting that this is catching on which is really good but getting back to what you were talking about with it mindset you were saying that you really get irritated and fired up when you hear about a grandfather you know who passed away from a stroke or is blind now do you feel and this is kind of transitioning is more personal type stuff to figure out what makes you tick we have a lot of practitioners and nutritious that to in and personal trainers one I like pick your brain on that do you feel like you have a calling like you're here you're here on this planet to do to influence people you have as a gift and so forth a lot of people kind of talk about that I was curious yeah I don't know about a gift but I definitely have a calling and I definitely feel like it's my job to fix this and I think every doctor if he if he meant his oath when he recited it she'd feel that same way and so maybe I'm taking a little more serious than the average practitioner but I feel like I took an oath to do that and not just to do it to patients who've paid Miyoko pay but to everybody because everybody's really somebody's patience everybody somebody's mom or somebody's daughter somebody's son and/or father they all need this information this is vital information I mean we're not talking about how I can increase the long-term percentage of growth of your IRA that's something we're talking about here we're talking about literal life and death we're talking about losing loved ones prematurely what other job does the doctor have than to prevent that that that's my only job and so I kind of took that seriously kind of meant that when I said that and so I consider then that every human to be my patient whether you've paid me a copay or not and so it's my job to reach out as far as I can reach and to preach as far as I can preach hey stop eating the slow poison and stop feeding it to your kids and stop feeding it to the hospital patients and stop feeding it to the nursing home patients and let's see how much better people get it's awesome you know a lot of people are scared to put themselves out there on social media exhale like I don't have the credentials or I don't look good on camera my ears are a weird shade my foreheads too but one of the side benefits that I've learned and I want to see if you you find this true was like the more that I put myself out there and like post pictures of the food I eat the stuff that we're doing it makes it holds me more accountable so I can't go out not that I do smoke but I couldn't go smoke a pack of cigarettes was that cognitive dissonance going on have you found that a side benefit of like helping other people is it actually in turn helps yourself a little bit yeah I'm pretty legit about this stuff I truly believe it and I truly live it on a daily basis but I think that one thing that posting your meals and talking about how you live because everybody says I want to see what you eat in a day and so when you post that they're like oh okay that's really what he does there I mean you know we were just at the Cheesecake Factory and I had a huge rib eye and three sunny-side up eggs and then we I had a bite or two of Nicias Brussels sprouts that's what I just ate just before I came here and I posted that on Instagram so that people go no he was just there I'm sure he didn't buy that steak in those three eggs and then throw him away and he'd eat cheesecake no and so did I have cheesecake at the Cheesecake Factory no I did not right and so I think you helps people to see you know he's a real guy and that's really what he ate today and I saw it and it's so it's almost like they get to see behind the scenes like okay because you know we've got so many examples of charlatans who were experts in their field right who turned out they were full of crap they weren't doing any of that stuff right and I predict that we'll find a few in our sphere as well who turns out yeah he wasn't doing that he was injecting this and doing that doing that and we don't know who they're going to be but they're gonna come out eventually because you can't live that life forever in the social media age right and so I think it's great for people to be able to see what did much lead what did Barry eat what do they eat I'll go to their Instagram they're showing you right now and so I think people can learn from that but also they can rest assured he's true blue he's really he's living this this is not just something he's trying to sell such a good point used to be a sales rep outside of Chicago and I went to a internal medicine clinic it was like integrative really they proposed like we cure hormone we do all this integrative stuff everything like that so I went to Whole Foods I'm like these guys eat like I do so I probably and they're all sitting around like this is to a healthy mic I'm like what you're like on your shingle is integrative functional medicine you're complaining about that the food was too healthy I mean I didn't bring him tofu I'm bringing him like you know there was like some rice fish and some salmon and but you know anyway it was pretty so it's totally valid point I was at a few months back I went to a medical conference and so they always feed us right and so everybody else was busy eating the pie and I was busy on my Instagram documenting all these fad doctors eating their pie like that's the story after story of look at this guy look at this guy look what they're eating and I was like videoing all the food and it's like yeah this is what doctors eat this is why they look like they look yeah that's a good point all right let's talk about what makes you tick your morning routines your habits like because you're cranking out content all the time you're doing these you know YouTube lies Facebook lies and bring in tons of energy they're getting shared by tens of thousands of people like how do you what contributes to your success in your energy you think I believe we want to say and I talked about this in the book but I was raised in a family very blue very poor and the the parable that I was raised on was don't do as I say do as I do and the fallacy behind that in the preacher you know he got caught in the bar smoking a cigarette drinking a beer in his congregation were like what the heck are you doing dude and he his reply was you do as I say not as I do and I was taught from a very early age that's not how a leader acts that's not how anybody who's anybody behaves you walk the walk and so that's that's kind of hardwired into me that I you know if I believe something I'm not only going to do it but I'm also gonna preach it to the masses and say hey this is working for me this is what I think you should do and so I think a big part of it is that and then the second part of it is this knowing calling inside me that all these people are getting sicker by the minute and you got to reach out there and get them and help them and so I think that's part of it plus I really enjoy talking I don't know if you've noticed that I haven't noticed that this couldn't notice you got the great book out lies my doctor told me and I think it's being revised and there's a new version as well coming out and then you have it you're working on a new book with talking all about diabetes and natural ways to improve diabetes blood sugar health we talked about iodine one of the questions we like to ask every guest on the show is if there's just one herb nutrient botanical or whole food you're on a desert island omega threes vitamin D all that stuff's covered but what's one thing you just couldn't live without food or supplement fruit them both just one thing you're like no supplement if all that's covered I don't make any supplements but I need rib eye mm-hmm yeah just a just a sore in my rib eye yeah I need meat I need animals on this island is that okay that's really a no if there are no islands I'll happily eat the veg because that's much preferable to starving to death but as soon as I can get back to my animal diet I'll do so love it if you were to bump shoulders with a politician in the elevator and the attorney said dr. berry you've been practicing over 25 years now yeah no no no no I'm not that old no I started in graduated in 2000 so what 18 years mm-hmm [Music] what if they sit down to bury you no we're losing here at this whole health care crisis saying we try to implement the Affordable Care Act it's not going so well what should we be doing I would you know maybe it's what we're eating maybe it's food and maybe we should stop eating food like products and start eating real food again maybe we should start eating the diet that our ancestors ate five ten fifteen thousand years ago because they did well in a much harsher environment than we live in maybe that would help love it so if folks are listening right now they're walking their dog and so forth and then what connects with you you have a bunch of different platforms what's the one you would want them to go to probably the You Tube channel and I probably do the best work there and I'm the most prolific there and if you just search for dr. berry on YouTube I think I pop up close to the top yeah yeah and some of your videos on YouTube they're crushing that was a little bit the video that I remember the most because we all love stories and humor is the joke when - what was it the American Medical Association said the ketogenic diets were status news your report came out with their diet issue and their all their dietary experts had decided that the ketogenic diet was the worst diet of all of once they listed and number one two three four and five was like Jenny Craig flex flexitarian white Watchers you know diets that have been around for literally 2025 years and haven't even dinked the obesity epidemic but but keto was brand new but it's the worst one of all how would you do that video and keep a straight face I'm pretty good it drives sarcasm because I was laughing my butt off when it would I was like I don't know how he did it and not smile because there was as you know the video got a lot of comments yeah and half of the comments were I hate you I thought you I thought you liked Kido I hate you now because they thought I was serious I was too dry and so I had to change the title ninja level sarcasm alert so that people would go oh this is sarcasm because so many people would watch one minute and go oh I hate him unsubscribe they thought I was serious but you know people love to react do you read the comments yeah sometimes I do but I get so many now I don't have time but every now and then I'll go back just for fun and reading in reply to a few but when I first post a video I try to reply to the first 20 or 30 comments because I want to be responsive but I mean some of my videos get a lot of comments and after period of times just hard to keep up it's time for me to impossible people but the negative ones aren't people brutal on YouTube yeah yo man I try not to let it get to me but sometimes I just want to write back and I'm like I'm gonna go take a walk mind I can I just usually send them a smiley face emoji yeah because they need in their life I think there's a lot of keyboard jockeys out there yeah and most of them are vegans or calories and calories out currently and I let me be clear I love both those guys and have a lot of respect for them but they're wrong but that doesn't mean that we should try to marginalize them or be mean to them I mean they I think that they're thinking they're just currently thinking incorrectly but the fact that they're thinking we should give them respect for that right because many doctors aren't thinking at all and so at least the vegans and the calorie restriction people are at least trying to make this make sense and what that's ultimately going to lead lead them to is us right it's okay with me and I'm happy for them to take their time they would get here eventually totally yeah I like to look at the research at the calories in calories out model but what they say and I've learned a lot about the these is Doug Hall there's another some dr. hall he does all these animal ma or sorry metabolic Ward studies I've learned from that but it's I think it's Kevin Hall it's the same it's like three days people are in a war in their tracking thing and then that's it that's short term short term yeah and so as soon as you if you when you do calorie restriction for enough days and enough weeks your body's not stupid the human body's very wise and very intelligent and so it interprets that immediately there's a famine right you're eating low-fat and your calorie restricting that's if that's the definition to your body of a famine and so it cranks down your your your body temperature half a degree it cranks down all your metabolic processes and so you just adapt to that and so yeah for the first week or two you may lose weight on that but immediately your hormones jump in and correct all that and your weight loss stops and anybody who's done Weight Watchers had lost a lot of weight to start with and then immediately plateaued and couldn't lose another pound that's what happened because every diet that US News and World Report's says at the top diets are calorie restriction models and so the only diet that addresses your hormones that hacks your is the ketogenic way of eating and paleo does it a little bit and if you're a meat heavy paleo that can do it as well and so I'm not against any of these other guys I'm just waiting for them to join us because if they're if they're truly diligently searching for truth they're gonna wind up with us that's a good point there was a paper that came out I think it was in September and it looked at resting metabolic rate associated with a low-calorie diet versus a low-calorie ketogenic diet and there wasn't that suppression and energy expenditure that you alluded to that's normally associated with suppressing calories so I thought that was really cool about the whole exactly yeah I'll put that link in the show notes but dr. Bray thanks so much for calling everybody and they appreciate it and I'm sure you guys already subscribed to dr. Berry's YouTube channel follow him over on Instagram there's tons of lives over there and also on Facebook every Sunday you guys do a live like every Sunday no matter what like so cool the consistency there and tons of people I mean you're sitting there answering questions like there's a bunch of comments coming in so check that out and please share this with a friend or family member hit that like button and I'll be fall in the comments as well on this video and we'll catch you on the next one thanks for tuning in guys

Channel: High Intensity Health

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Keywords: Lies my doctor told me, fatty meat, fatty meat carnivore, carnivore, carnivore diet, keto, Ken Berry, Dr. Berry, Butcher Box

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Length: 86min 5sec (5165 seconds)

Published: Tue Apr 30 2019