Katie Piper Talks Recovery From Attack, Mental Health & Her Life Story

to say my half seriously you know I ate wow I don't take drugs don't smoke so yeah maybe I should start taking drugs today so thanks for doing the podcast I take pleasure so this is difficult in a way for me because what I don't want to do is talk to you about the same story you've told probably a hundred thousand times right and I interviewed actually Levi Roots a couple of weeks ago and just off-camera he said don't ask me or them boring questions ting kind of taken you know he didn't want me to ask him all the stuff no fears everyone asks it yeah but then what what is there left to talk about or you know you are so defined by that story well am i I mean that yeah that's a question or statement yeah so in my private life no I'm not at all you know I mean I don't even have the same name in my private life so you know I've married after my life's moved on I'm not I'm a mom not have a different name yeah yeah Katie's not even my name I was and Piper's not my very go so yeah I mean what happened to me nearly 36 now what happened to me was a very small snapshot you know I think of my other life like a movie and that was a very small scene in that movie and it and it doesn't define me at all you know it's very much my past and the past doesn't really exist anymore you know so I suppose in you know lazy journalism if you were writing an article about me it'd be really easy to say acid attack girl which kind of sounds like a superhero with pants over there yeah or acid attack victim which is somebody that would be dead because if you're a victim you didn't survive something you know so yeah is it's just something that happened to me in my twenties and I've done so many more things and I'm so many more different things different people now and just you know someone that got burnt sure you know so and I'd love to talk about all those things a lot more than the past stuff so we'll definitely get to that and we've got a lot of common interests which will cover yeah but I do like to debate and discuss as well because I think that creates good content and and you say it hasn't mind you it doesn't define you but you also just said to me off-camera you have a lot of people that support you that also have disabilities and relate to you and probably look up to you and admire you because of what you've gone through so is there an argument that it has created something in your life that it wouldn't have had it not happens yeah I mean I suppose that is all hindsight isn't it you know if I set you who were you in your twenties and who and what are you different in your 30s and what do you attribute that to there's so many things that change us and we're different in different decades of our life so what what person would I have been in my 30s if I wasn't burnt what none of us know that you know I do believe when the [ __ ] kinda hits the fan or is that okay there's going to be a blessing around the corner because that that's my kind of theory you always felt like that or did sort of the post-event kind of teach you gratitude um it emphasized it for me but you know growing up I've always been self-employed just I've always known that struggle and that panic of like hang on a minute there's no work boots and haven't got any money what am I going to do then the following month Wow big job oh my god I am doing the right thing yeah you know so I've always known that kind of struggle and and had to have a work ethic so I think that's always held high so just to jump in you said struggle we also find that exciting the kind of you know self-employed lifestyle yeah I mean I so basically I got a trade so I left score went to a tech college and I got a trade of beauty therapy and then I did a kind of practical side and then I did sort of an anatomy and physiology course as well so that I could go on to do something academic as a backup and I always hated the thought I think I used to earn seven hundred pound a month there's a beauty therapist and I hated the thought of knowing it will always be 700 pound because I'll always bear to buy some food some rent and go out for a bit and do a couple of drinks sleeps on the bar and get the empty jury because I ran out of money and I can't live life like this so I increased my learning digital extra courses and then I stole a bit of equipment from my employer I started Gary give me evening well you know I started going in the evening service houses and doing cash and harm treatments on women so that my earnings each month would be unpredictable and different as sometimes may be high sometimes they'd be lower and and I kind of got like a kick out of that and like what can I do next month and and what if I work the hours other people won't work what if I don't take a break what if I do that bank holidays when everyone else takes them off as I kind of had that way but what happened to me was beyond like a career thing of pushing myself and working long hours what happened to me was experiencing not being part of society not feeling human not being accepted and it was on a real high level that you don't expect to experience in your twenties and the comparison was so great because when I was in my 20s my job relied on my aesthetics and my look and I was really glamorous and then I didn't just kind of you know like some people were naturally age or they'll start dressing more sensible because they become a parent and that would be a natural decline that would be very gradual but when you are in an accident or an attack where you become and disabled or disfigured it's everything changes in a second and you know that's a bit like when you go bust or Bank work things change in a second and it's a mighty ball so I suppose in the way that kind of helped me and equipped me for the world I reckon now like is is full of rejection and it's quite a shallow world as well so in a way that's equip me quite well to deal with that not to say that I don't sometimes fall apart and not feel robust because I'm human but I always feel like I've experienced something that people experience in their 70s so you know as we get older what people are passing away around us life is changing situations are changing and and it's difficult but that happens at the end of our life and I had that in my prime and I was doing things like learning to use a cup again and I think speech therapy at 24 where my friends were getting mortgages getting engaged and it was a weird kind of contrast yeah I didn't have an adult life and my twenties I had I was like a toddler in my 20s so probably why now I am a bit like you quite fast pace because I got a lot of living to do you know and I so no you know I nearly died so I know it's cliche about talking about how short life is but you always postpone things because when you're 20 you've got ages and then I was suddenly like I don't have ages and actually no one knows if they have ages so that was kind of a double-edged sword but I think in a way in the long run a positive thing I probably won't even look at these which is great so um it's a couple of things I want to come to but I'd be really fascinated to sort of know about your day or your week you know what you do because I guess a lot of people whether they know you or not don't know what work you're in and you're sort of your typical week and if you're rushing around all the time and if you say yes to what opportunities what you do what you turn down and what your vision for your career is and how you get your income streams and all of that yeah I'd love to get insight into that and I also think if you listen to a podcast that's what you'd want me to ask someone as a listener so just take us through what you do and how you do it so no day is the same which is why I want this path for me because I can't I'm short attention span I thought I was stupid at school I now understand I wasn't I just wasn't academic let other people and and have that short attention span but I am interested in things and I am excited by life and I do have a passion but I just learning in a different way and my day has changed over the years when I was childless when I was single I said yes to everything and did everything I've experienced burn out I've experienced being a people pleaser and being a yes person to the detriment of my own happiness I've pretended to be happy when I'm not and I and I've realized how kind of toxic that can be so nowadays I say no to more things and prioritize things I am not directly motivated by money and material things I do work for free even now and I believe in working for free because I believe in longevity and long-term payoff an investment like you I'm a massively and creating passive income so because you know my most important thing to be on my children so I tried to set things up where I can spend my time with my kids and be earning money elsewhere I'm a big believer in charity because I used to be on disability benefits and I used to benefit from charity and I always promised myself that where i could I would help people like people help me because some people changed my life and they probably don't even know or they don't even know they help me they don't know where their money when and it might have gotten to me so a lot of the things I do of my charity then you know not purposely have helped me a commercially because you network with people people like you they want to work with us we're in business so yeah I mean a typical day could be sometimes getting up at 5:00 a.m. working flat out traveling not seeing my kids at all four to three days but I don't carry guilt like that's what I do they know I work hard another typical day could be getting up not getting dressed watching TV beaver he's going to the park going to baby class doing the school run so I suppose there isn't a typical day and I used to get insecure about that I used to be like out of a job today I'm failure what am i doing or I'm Way working I'm a horrible mom don't deserve kids and I've kind of through self-help for audiobooks for podcasts i've got rid of that insecurity and i've gotten rid of that ego and also because of you know i talked when i got here today telling me about my health and i've had lots of different health problems through my life and it's changed my relationship with money and material items because you know it doesn't private healthcare can't stop you from dying you know and all these material items like when i got attacked the police went into my flat took loads of my material possessions for evidence my landlord bend the rest and I just like lived at my parents house with like a little travel bag and I had nothing had I had those positions it wouldn't have changed my recovery either so you know I pulled up there my car it's a smart car it would be sushi I used to drive a Mercedes convertible I realized I didn't need it my husband drives a Range Rover I needs to be a no even shorten it I don't need it there's no point I don't have a watch the only piece of jewelry I wear is my wedding ring but saying that money is important to us because we paying for our kids education we're investing in property so I have a relationship of money but it's not a traditional one that some people might have yeah so you said earlier and you do something for free and you're interested in passive income yeah so what things do you do for free and then what assets are you building for passive income so things for free would be on a case-by-case basis so you know hundreds of inquiries come in daily and you know look at them on individual cases so if it's helping somebody or mentoring somebody or contributing to a group of people and I think I can help and that is worth their time in my time I'll do it if it means I miss much hearts bedtime for the third time in the row I have to say no I can't go and help other people's children over mine first and I've got to look at my marriage and my family and sometimes in the past I've been guilty of not not doing that and then my relationships suffer and just things I care about and like I'll do you know and sometimes if there's brands I want to work with I won't necessarily work for free of a brand because they're making money but if I can see you know kind of benefit and networking and doing something then I will and the same with actually you can set up a business and not pay yourself and look at the long term and look at actually what's it going to do is that going to be there as a pension for you you know I have my own podcast and it's not necessarily I set something up to get paid that day for my time I do have ads on my podcast so it has started to make money not big money but the podcast is going to be there forever and it's giving a platform to kind of voice this people and I get to meet people that excite me and I believe in that thing if it's putting good stuff out into society so I'll probably get the Karma back you know that's exactly I've served this podcast yes you'll probably be more episode will Katie be 390 something but almost 400 yeah and I've never run one ad and hey look I'm not got the biggest poker in the world but not as waters one either and if I turned on the ads then there'd be a decent amount of money that would come in yeah but then I might just lose the connection with some of the fanbase yeah and it might slow down the global reach right and so yeah I think that some assets can be that you don't pay yourself on your time yes but in the future like big podcasts now they do road shows and tours yeah and then they can sell tickets to that yeah people find me and my companies obviously you ever you've done some stuff with progressive one company that people find our companies at first because they stumbled upon the podcast someone yeah so it never really is working for free you know they just say that you know well okay you're not getting the currency of the British Pound but I'm getting enriched by the product you know if I do something for charity it's never selfless really because you still get fulfillment say and you're building an asset I mean every podcast episode is an asset yeah absolutely you spend your time here yeah that say it's an hour 90 minutes for maybe the next 10 years that is an asset that sits online that people can listen to every day so yeah and then some of the things that you're trying to create passive income from from assets what are they so yeah I came to progressive it wasn't that long ago I think it's every first map yeah I think it was a year or two maybe yeah maybe three years because I was interested in investing in property because you know when you work in media you might have months where you're getting good lump sums of money you might have months where you're getting no money at all and you know I've experienced the fragility in life and I suppose you know one of my anxieties is I've had everything taken away from me and that's a really scary place to be and I have my earning potential which stripped away from me so I don't like to feel vulnerable in business in that sense but I am a risk taker our controlled risk taker so what progressive did for me is it gave me an educated me gave me tools but it gave me confidence to take a risk but a measured risk not a reckless risk so from coming on the course you know my husband's a builder so he came on the course with me and from that course we've invested into property and we've gone into HMOs so and we've done it in London so it's been fun and it's a quite fun as husband and wife because you've got you know you've got different skills a couple of arguments governor disagreements yeah so you know it's not it's not going too bad and it's been quite exciting and interesting and it takes the pressure of me and my career as well and then in my career I work on a royalty basis with a lot of the books and the audio that I produce I send a lot of products as now I work in fashion as well and I work internationally with a lot of my staff a lot of stuffs been translated and I work in different market areas so I do have quite a bit of passive income and you know although I I take risk I do set up things like Isis and pensions and things like that so I try and spread to myself and never put all my kind of eggs in one basket or you know the younger me would have been that older working telle and I was my only plan yeah and if it didn't work out okay I had my trade so I had that kind of practical thing whereas if now I don't think I'm gonna be on telly forever I'm rewriting books forever because I know that could end tomorrow so I kind of think the older me now is a bit more practical about spreading myself so you listen to the podcast everyone listens knows I'm a massive fan of bang on about this multiple streams of income yeah so you're a believer of that yeah I am because when I was younger like my job was about my appearance and when you're young you know you think old disease disability sickness that happens in movies happens on the news it doesn't even directly affect anyone I know you know it was that one person that came into assembly who'd learn about a school and then all of a sudden I lost my eyesight I lost my face I lost my health yeah I couldn't even swallow my own saliva my esophagus got melted and and you just realized no nobody's immune to anything life is unpredictable so it's funny how an injury like that can change how you operate in personal professional in everything you know why Katie and they're not Katie Rizzoli did you want a different phone yeah it was like a stage name Katie and then just kind of stuck really it was it before I got burnt I used it as a stage name so yeah it's just Kate yeah yeah I mean it's kind of evolved for me in the beginning I was an inpatient in hospital for three months quarter of a year and I needed a lot of psychiatric help so I would see a psychologist every single day and one of the things she told me to do was to write and for different reasons you know the obvious reasons of unburdening your thoughts but also I don't know if anyone else has experienced this but when someone's supporting you and how close you are to someone we all have our deepest darkest thoughts that we don't want to frighten people with we don't want to share them because it doesn't mean we're going to act on them but sometimes we just have these intrusive thoughts and so sometimes keeping a diary or writing a kind of you know monologue of stuff helps you sort of process that so I just started writing and kind of couldn't stop because I had so much to write and I never intended to do anything with it and then when I finally got discharged and kind of my only purpose was recovery you know that's not really me I was quite bored and I was on benefits which there's nothing wrong with being on benefits but I'd never experienced or envisaged that had always been self-employed so I decided to change my style of writing and make it into like a story of what had happened to me from birth to kind of post the attack and I sent off a blessed mail Microsoft Word you know Comic Sans stay put it all together and I sent it off to so many publishers and at this point I haven't done my documentary I was an unknown person and I either just didn't hear back from anyone or if I did hear back it was a polite rejection letter and I was rejected for one year and then I finally got any time do you think you got rejected oh I used to place the manuscript off every Friday I don't know though I'd go get like I go to the post office buy my stamps place it off every Friday but it was just something to do any time I left the house like I won't go post my thing to get rejected again you know it's kind of like a joke in our family but I just thought well it's not there's no harm and keep keeping on going I've got nothing today and when I made the documentary that gave me a platform not a massive platform but then people would knew about my story is a kind of a news article and I finally got a positive feedback from a publisher but it wasn't a very good financial deal say was it was a very well-known publisher and it was going to be in book shops supermarkets but yeah it wasn't a very good money deal but at the time I was like why I'm already doing this for money anyway so I accepted that deal and that books gone on to be in The Sunday Times number one bestseller I know it's so cool isn't it oh my god like I mean I in capacity support and disability benefit and then I was in the number one bestseller of everything up the DLA and can't slip from done for benefit of Robert and then it's been translated to languages I can't speak it's gone to 37 different countries countries I haven't even traveled to because the publishers are too tight to pay for me to go and promote it and then I was like right I can now net my next move is my choice so instead of saying that that publisher shopped around I renegotiated and then it became a way to earn money and it became a living and that first book was an autobiography and I decided right that's my closure and the next books were then in self-help genre and it was about coping mechanisms and and then it just carried on from there really and it's something I love doing but of course like anybody else I sit there and I go to page one I'm like you know and then I'm like okay fine keep it Pat by the bed right in the back of taxis meet someone like you you say so that sticks in my mind go home write that down and it evolves like that but you know obviously sometimes when you're working with in a commercial space you have a deadline so you can't always just kind of have that block so I'll try and be strict I set up a kind of formal thing at home where I've got an office unlock the door go in there say three hours of writing got to get it done yeah so yeah it's fine I love doing it but of course you know it is difficult sometimes and especially self-help now is to become quite a saturated market so you do have to think about reinvention as because with self-help I suppose it's an opinion it's life experience but a lot of its recycled you know a lot of its kind of sometimes you're listening to it and it's stating the obvious but you just need to have it reinforced but if you're trying to hit sales figures as well you do need to refresh yeah yeah it's funny you talk about all this because it's like we've lived in a parallel universe right I got lucky with my publishing deal because I wrote a book called life leverage and we marketed it and because I'd built a company and I'd learn marketing I knew out to market it well and it went to number one on Amazon oh well yeah in the whole country and those are all the fiction books yeah which it isn't but but and thank you because I've got to own that because I'm not very good at receiving thanks but I also know I knew how to market that book some part of me thought well I've got that book to number one not because it's the best book in the world but because I'm a good market so okay that was my first non-property book because we've got our property investing secrets book to number four in the whole country Wow Fifty Shades of Grey Fifty Shades of Grey - and fifty Shades of Grey the box set with the first three yeah and then it was property investing secrets so that was it's so nice yeah exactly so we knew how to market but and a share of a second behind Penguin in the size of publishers they've found me and they went your books everywhere yeah Wow and they courted me and I did a deal with them isn't that great they came to you yeah well so hearing your story and how much you get rejected and how amazing you are and how amazing your story is and if you read like this story of Stephen King he was gonna courage you to so many times in the end he put his manuscript for his first book I forget a little sick of the one with a clown oh it's yeah yeah I think I was the one yeah or it might be Carrie it was one of the early ones but he put it in the bin and he's like I'm over its wife out of the Billie said no no another go and that bit so he was nearly over so and then my lovely friend Cheryl asked me to do an MBO I'm going to meet after this okay she teaches people to write like a 1 or a 2 page like proposal so ok that's help and send it out to everyone so because I guess a lot of times you get rejected cuz they can't just read the full manuscript yeah and they're so like snowed under with it I don't I rejected a funny thing because I don't ever really believe in no I just think not right now know is I'm you know today yeah or it might be no for you but doesn't mean it's no for your colleagues or other people that might like me you know just because you don't you're not interested in me that's not that's not that I know I never I never feel like it's the end for me ever it's just the over for me with that person but then they might come back to me later in life you know so I don't really take it as a dead end I don't don't believe in that no and I think that I think I definitely in the early days felt like things were so important and so big and if I failed at it my life would be over and everyone would hate me yeah yeah just put a lot of pressure on yourself don't yeah and it's only you that puts that pressure on you and you might feel demoralized or you might feel like you're not enough but that's actually all internal dialogue and it's just part of growth and it's part of doing something that basically a lot of people want to do you know so you just gotta take and if you can't kind of take it maybe that's the universe saying it isn't right for you you know I know of course cliches are cliches for a reason but when one door closes at home it's so true it is and sometimes you've got a listen to messaging of like maybe you know when my boat was getting rejected that was right because actually my story wasn't out there people didn't know me maybe people wouldn't have bought it it would have slumped and I never would have got another deal but where the rejection went over so long I was building other other projects other you know profile then when the book did go it went to number one so if I'd have got the deal earlier when I thought I wanted a it might not have got that place in the charts so you know got it like kind of listen to that messaging yeah because you had a bigger following you had your documentary you had more of a platform a bit like me with life leverage I didn't get any of my publishing but property books published yeah a lot of books before that but clearly my time was when I was writing non-property yeah and also even like once you have success sometimes people think well that's it you've made it if they don't know because you're making everything yeah mistake for hire so then if you do other books and they didn't do that well you're like oh my [ __ ] now them you know and it's hard and it's like well no now look at platforms it are people still reading books know they used to or do they want smaller content they won't podcast are they going on Amazon and watching bite-sized things and are you evolving with that growth you know it's not that something failed it's that you need to move with the audience you know my audience maybe they were in their 20s on my first book coming out and now they've grown up and they've become mothers and maybe they want different materials so I think you can't always blame you you've got to look at everything around you that's a really good point and bringing this discussion into what you said before about reinvention of our books I strongly believe in that so my publisher bangs on at me to write a mindset book oh yeah on and on and on great right thank you but I don't want to write a mindset book why well I don't want to write a and other mindset book okay cuz like you said it's a saturated market I love reading mindset books and I either wanted to write book called mindset and Carol Dweck's written that so I'm in that space I'll have to write a book this mindset but isn't mindset okay I don't want my books to drown out in the noise of every other book yeah I'll give you an example at the moment books with a swear word in it you know ooh blah blah blah blah blah blah blah [ __ ] with the [ __ ] start out the you start it's such a common thing of the moment yeah but I feel like if you do the same as everyone else in two or three years your books gonna have no more relevant yeah so this dance of having a book this commercial because if it's not commercial and you don't sell it you know it was just a diary or as well have just been a diary but then having a unique ish concept so that you're put in a different take on an existing theme for me that's the the mastery of writing a book oh yeah I think you're right and you know you can have passion projects and passion projects it might not be set out Sophie's got a way to show you yeah they might not say out to be commercial and they might become your biggest commercial thing and vice versa you might think something will be commercial and then it just ends up being a nice legacy so but I mean for me I think when I think of mindset I love your mindset and when I see your Instagram I always end up screen grabbing your stuff what's I think it's my husband and be not go put Rob said today because you're always very optimist very positive and a lot of the stuff you say always speaks to me so I'm always interested in your mindset and your approach to life so I think as your audience I look to you for an advice on that and as your guest on my podcast now I'm going to look to you let's talk about that okay confidence is an area you've talked about a lot in your book so yeah you know you clearly are definitely outwardly a very confident person I guess like everyone else you've had your struggles so how do you become more confident um I don't think confidence is a fixed thing because I'm confident in some areas of my life but not all of them and I you know I can't speak for everyone but in my experience for myself and people like me most people want consistency in their confidence which is hard and particularly women but I suppose men as well nowadays people associate confidence of your appearance and yeah you know I don't like to be patronizing and say beautiful people don't get confidence from that because of course they do but they get momentary or confidence fleeting moments of confidence you know being beautiful would that hold down a long successful career would that keep you in a solid marriage into your 80s I'm not sure that it would it might be the initial attraction that would help you get those things but not sustain it so I think for me confidence is about acceptance and that's not just your appearance that's everything in life you have to be able to accept situations and say can I change this yes okay let's do that I can't okay fine it's fixed and that's what I I'm I'm good with that I'm confident about that and I can handle it but yeah you know sometimes I'm really confident at work and then other times in motherhood I'm not oh I don't know what I'm doing I don't know if I'm a good parent and then vice versa if I take on a new project I might feel out of my depth I might feel that people are more accomplished than me more famous more intelligent and feeling a bit of an imposter and then that might change so I supposed to me it is always a bit of a rollercoaster but I think that's okay so long as you keep working on you like I will try all the time to learn new things like you know coming to progress if that was I'm not confident in but I couldn't have got confident staying at home so I came I learnt stuff and then I K I don't know everything about property but I know more than when I first started on the course so yeah you can always work on your confidence and you'll meet people that are like I don't know what I'm doing either and then a way that makes you more confident because you realize people outwardly look like they're owning it but they asked a little nervous kind of level mmm I think you picked up on some great things there I think one of the things I want to agree with you on and making a big point about this is I think a lot of lack of confidence comes from comparing ourselves to other people yeah because if we lived in a vacuum where we couldn't compare ourselves to anyone we wouldn't know if we were better or worse but you know what was good or bad and so we'd probably just accept it we are yeah but we're always comparing ourselves to how people look what people say and how we perceive their confidence is and I've met some very successful people and you've like the same probably more and in every is very successful person I've met I've also met a little child in there who still needs attention or someone who's failed somewhere and still got some baggage or someone who's a master in business but maybe a disaster in their marriage or their social life or whatever and what I've observed is no one is no one transcon transcends confidence in every area you are confident in the areas where you've studied you've learned you've mastered you know you've been told you're good by everyone and you believe it you've worked hard you've overcome struggles yeah and then even on a Schwarzenegger I bet it's probably not that confident in yoga or playing chess against the Grandmaster or whatever even though he's probably one person on the planet and I think that merging those two things together one knowing that we can be confident in anything we master and serve focus on want to be good at and knowing that we have weaknesses and then merging that with everyone else is the same yeah I feel like that makes life just a little bit better or more normal and we stop beating ourselves up and compounding art absolutely yeah and it's kind of because we're more connected we can see more of people's lives on social media so that envy and that jealousy is probably a higher level and I always compare it do you remember the old smoking advert and it's like Lucky Strike will make you thin and people who smoke are cool and and you're like yeah literally and and it's like actually luxury isn't always what it appears to be and it's like you know the grass is greener because sometimes the grass is artificial and fake and that's why it's greener so you go on Instagram you go on Facebook and you start envying a facade that doesn't exist you become jealous or somebody that see the photoshopped edited is exaggerating is only showing you the best bit so it's kind of like you know that old affirmation of comparison being the thief of joy the most unproductive emotion because it keeps you very busy doing absolutely nothing at all and I think if you've got so much energy to hate to be envious to feel inadequate to make a comparison imagine what you could do with that energy like you could be so productive and because I'm kind of older I look back on like 80s 90s even in the Millennium when we didn't have social media you would just be jealous of like the most good-looking friend in your friendship group you wouldn't know what other people who you went to school 10 years ago were doing or you know someone who you wished you look like was doing so but then I wouldn't bash social media because I think if you use it responsibly it's it's brilliant like I think that's really important to remember that everything has an upside or downside like when steel came and rail happened that was obviously great for transport but it was also good for train robberies there was no train robberies before train yeah and I think a lot of people are kind of a bit on the bandwagon of bashing social media yeah that's wrong yeah yes you can reach people you've never reached before you can inspire people you're never this bad before you can sell a lot more books yeah we can live this out to people and they can get a little sneak peek in yeah you've got three quarters of a million Instagram followers I know and I'm glad you're all right twenty-two thousand two year but like you know the audience not numbers it's haven't aged there that's buying to me anyway so yeah I mean I just think for me it's kind of like you know it's not about the numbers it's about what you do with those people how much they engage with you and how active you are because they could be I mean they could be people also kind of spying and you who'd actually like you you are inspired by you you know way yeah yeah so you can't kind of get too caught up on that mm-hmm so rejection we'll talk about that a bit because I think that's a theme in everyone's life and I'll make this the last point on this video so and I have this sort of strange relationship with rejection where it still feels brutal to me yeah and like yeah I still feel it on a fairly consistent basis yeah I try and remember that it's not me that's been rejected it's just the timing or the way it was presented and just have to remember that it doesn't define who I am if we used to book as an example like you and I've written books whether we sell one or a hundred million in one it doesn't make it any better a book or a worse a book the book is the book yeah the book is done that's a fact yeah and so sales don't define the book I find it really hard to look at myself and obviously because other people around you who have an interest in sales are also pushing that message so I mean it that's all about staying centered and focused on your values and what defines you I mean I've experienced rejection in lots of different areas in my life you know I've experienced rejection romantically a lot when my appearance changed and you know it's a big debate it was brutal wars early mustn yeah it was hard because also it wasn't like being born with a disability or a disfigurement where life had always been like that you know I remember in my 20s being like the object to people's desire people giving me their seat on the tube opening doors for me to them becoming invisible people were talking about me in front of me slamming the door in my face rather than holding it open and then as I recovered a bit more and tried to go back out there I had horrible situations where I thought people liked me and I was going on a date with people and they didn't turn up I had where I went out for a dinner with the guy he pretended to go to the loo and walked out of the restaurant so quiet yeah and it is hard because it is it's almost more personal than business because you are the product in that situation and that is very difficult and and you know we are built with emotion and and and it's it's how do you move forward from that well you have to move foot from that or you or you give up and then you know just like you I've had not just rejection in business and career I've had failure where I've lost money or I've made I called something wrong I ignored somebody's advice but that's okay because I've experienced life ending and it still didn't end so it nothing is as catastrophic as you think is and if you're going to take everything so personal then you need to kind of go and build yourself a very predictable life but it's very safe and it's kind of very routine and then you need to be aware of the downsides of that yeah and I'm not sure I want to build a life with minimal hurt and rejection I don't think that appeals to me even if I find rejection painful yeah so you know and that's not like now I've become a parent I'm trying to sort of teach my daughter that actually rejection is part of life even at her age five years old you know there might be parties you don't get invited to when you put your hand up on the mat you won't always get picked for questioning and that is life you know yeah my daughter at the moment she's got a friend my daughters born in August so she's British the youngest in oh okay oh that's hard yeah it is but but that will toughen her up and they are independent and strong and feisty and yeah they'll be downsides to that but then later on in life I think there'll be upsides and she's got this one friend who's pretty much the oldest in the year and that oldest friend does overpower a bit and Arianna saw he's really a lured by her because she's the oldest in the year yeah you know like and Gemma was my wife was talking about it today how are you know it's hard watching and all that but we've both decided to to let that friendship play out yeah not to intervene because I remember when I was a kid and I had a friend who didn't treat me very well and my dad sort of intervene and didn't let us so stay friends cuz a bad influence on me but it just made me want to go and see people like that even more attractive Zach yeah yeah so yeah I mean parenting is so hard I mean I think being a parent writing books are the two hardest things I've ever done and but yeah like raising children I want to I don't really have a plan for my kids other than to show them what life is really like yeah a real view yeah yeah not an upside it fantasy and I hopefully not too much of a hardship either but this is what life is it's brutal it's beautiful sometimes yeah and hopefully let them discover that for themselves yeah and I really agree with that I mean we have really honest open conversations at home you know my daughter asked me lots of things about my job she'll ask me about my appearance she'll ask me so many questions and I try not to talk to my daughter like a baby I tried to talk to her like a edited adult you know and I and I hope you know I don't to traumatize her but I then hope that and it's a bit like if somebody's adopted and the adoptive parents decide to always let that be a known fact rather than one day just sit them down and I like that kind of natural flow and I like people to treat me like that in life like I don't like we were to tell me you're amazing or or this didn't work out with oh just tell me well they don't like you anymore you're not you're not selling enough or like oh you're not for me it's like that's okay that's alright I'm not not everything's going to be for me and that's normal and if we keep if we if we stop making those things normal we make it harder look is it caffeine oh my god I was strong about what it ah just got a lot better four shots a calf it you have milk with it and you know just naughty up my notice the cappuccinos have a little bit of milk okay oh it's just like it's my life to drink alcohol no no alcohol no drugs coffees really my own main vice I would say probably 80% 90% of my social media time is business-related yeah so in a way that's good because I'm getting some proactive benefit and also sometimes an excuse oh I know yeah yeah I donated the app where it tells you how much time made it worse I guess 14 hours a day because of weight that like what I don't say I was like my god I'm a psycho I'm gonna delete this stuff I don't want to know it's not helpful but yeah I think but just when I'd sort of with Facebook kind of got a bit of rules then whatsapp alright because I like run a lot of whatsapp groups for our businesses that's my new overwhelm yeah and it's great yeah it's a blessing because we can get all of our communities together and I can offer them services yeah and we could create communities and the speed uh-huh but cuz I mean you know what I can be like it's quite overwhelming because I also feel like an email gives you time to read it and go okay I'll come back to that where's if what's that they see the TIC they see you online and people are like long why haven't you replied and it's more more MORE yeah and I think it's a bit bad because it's like in your space and that and the problem is the expectation is high but then I suppose a few know people and you can kind of say okay I will come back to you I've read it but you know yeah it's difficult and then you what's up as well I have lots of personal group so you've got a your aren't you sending your picture of a dog and you've got to me that you've got to engage and you've got to kind of keep everybody happy it's quite it's quite difficult mmm so when we were just cutting there I had a thought so I went to the doctors yesterday day before and it's nothing major but there's just been a couple of things I told you about the migraines I've been having and I've got Evan and he thinks I might have an overactive thyroid but the doctor basically said you are the most on it type a restless relentless person I have ever met in the surgery and he said all your health is great but your resting heart Bay is like yeah and he said to me you need to take time to slow down and you need to meditate can you meditate well I've tried a couple of escapes well I've tried a lot more than people think yeah and but I've just not made it habit I guess yeah I do I always want to do something I always want to be somewhere miscues speeding tickets I'm a speeding ticket stupid things are stupid because they're like 38 in a 35 or a in a 40 45 and 48 in a 4 is 20 percent over but you know they're they're not like 150 yeah but it's because I'm always just thinking about where and want to be yeah and I've realized that that is not present no it's not and also it's very bad because stress anxiety is one of the leading causes of cancer I don't really feel stressed I feel like there's some distress nice dress yeah so this dress is obviously the crippling stress but the you stress is the positive stress like you know this if you want to get something done give it to a busy person and I'm sure you know the feeling when you get quite a lot done at the end of the day I mean think damn I was on it I feel good you know yeah and being busy and getting stuff ticked off the list and getting stuff done and making things happen and making a difference in the world at that speed really excites me that's my satisfaction yeah I love that but then when you start employing people it's really difficult because I'm for a stage where people oh it was working we've kept leaving oh and it was always like one year they go every one word lasts a year and I realized that she pushed me to I was it yeah cuz it's like for me okay if I wake up at 7:00 oh my god I've got I gonna get so much done today oh you know it's gonna be quick and there's a bit of like what why should mean haven't done that why I got it why don't I decide why you couldn't get it just too and for other people they they might not certainly wants work in that way and they might find it overbearing overwhelming the expectations too high and I think you can't expect everybody to be like you and the same in your marriage and your friendships and family relationships you know some people don't want if you want to meet your family at the farm at the kids then have a lunch and a different restaurant then go home and slight each other's computer then ever drink then go home so I wouldn't do that in one day and I'm like wives but only one day off let's do that and that's not enjoyable for them and you know it's hard isn't it understanding that not everybody wants to get [ __ ] done in the way that you do yes I've definitely gone through that I've probably pushed a few staff away by judging them on my own standards yeah I have and also when you're an entrepreneur you can't expect everyone that works you to be an entrepreneur otherwise they'd be an entrepreneur oh you know and like I used to be the sort of person that was like well I'm not interested in hiring people are working with people or even being in the same universe as people who are nine-to-five thinkers but that was my own naivety because actually some of our best team members work 9:00 to 5:00 uh-huh and they're efficient yeah and they might get as much done as I do 7:00 to 7:00 yeah and enable you to do it yes and you need different like if you had a football team you would never eleven goalkeepers you need the different you may need their even theirs even now the defensive midfielder which there wasn't few years ago okay and there's the wing-backs is an Arab trying to be clever using analogy yeah like the modern left back and right back are no longer defenders there are so attackers so the point is in it for a team to be balanced you don't necessarily also need the 11 best players yeah sometimes like Alex Ferguson used to do it he'd get rid of the best players in the team if he thought it ruined the team dynamic or his ought autonomy and control of the leadership and so I've learned this about building a team I'm not perfect at it but don't judge people on your own standards be clear on who you want to have in the team what their skills and roles are which are different to yours don't expect them to be you yeah expect them to be them and if they're like three people in my life who are the most important people to me in my life and my wife what screaming my family but my wife is but my favorite family of course but they're my wife my business partner mark and my MD my company's Ivan okay and I couldn't have surrounded myself with three more grounded people oh they're at times I just feel so frustrated that they're holding me down oh really bad okay yeah I want to go and all these crazy things I saw a charity randomly are doing these things around me I've got an event this weekend which 1400 people booked on oh wow random and I just thought dad let's do all this and sometimes when I feel like people are there what about this what about that and let's take time and let's not do this now what about later I feel like they're really restricting me and holding me back and yeah boxing my creativity and energy now you're yin to your yang but that's the paradox in that is I need that oh and if I wasn't surrounded by that I'd be in some loony asylum somewhere but don't sit off the walls but it's so important so it's true because it's so important to recognize it because sometimes it also comes down to ego of like when I first set up my charity I you know I don't watered oh I might have fun thank you I didn't go to uni I'd never worked in an office or like a formal professional setting so I want to set up the charity because of my passion my beliefs and the activism I could do and I've got the profile but I understand her business I'm too stupid and I thought actually this is ego if I can if I can own up to that and if I can delegate and say to people I can bring this to the table but I don't know how to use PowerPoint I don't know how to load a stapler I don't know how to run a board meeting I don't understand how to fill out paperwork for the charity Commission if I have if I can lose the ego and say that and delegate to those people I can build an amazing team and actually it doesn't matter I don't even need to learn those things actually because that's not what I bring that's not my strengths so sometimes when you shed away that then actually you become more successful you know that's a really good point of my ego because sometimes I think we perceive ego as things like greed power revenge yeah ego is also not asking for help yeah thinking that you've got a struggle on your own trying to be everything to all people uh-huh not saying no what are those things our egos well yeah it really is and and that's kind of a bit of a destructive thing to hold on to because again it's a bit kind of emperor's clothing it's it's a bit of an imaginary thing and like you said when you start to meet other people from walks of life maybe high-profile people successful people and they can find and you and you'll go home to your partner so you know as soon as I met them and secured where they cut and you and you are surprised but then the more people you meet like that you kind of realize you know everybody has their thing everybody has their inadequacies or their strengths and some people don't want to show weakness but the climate is changing you see if that mental health weak people are showing weakness people are talking about good yeah and it's good at first were shocked or miss annoys me oh he's depressed it look at it he score he can't be depressed and you're like it's depression isn't about how rich or fortunate you are it's not a choice you know it does you can't decide to cheer up because you've got a nice car you know but so it is good when you because I've had this reason was someone very close to me who basically spat and chuck some quite nasty stuff because I've got a lot of nice cars yeah and someone very close to me who I love and I think loves me and you just think yeah people think they know or that you're in some way entitled or that you should help them more but that person's suffering there is suffering in they're angry yeah it's not really about you know so it's quite interesting isn't it because at first it's really disappointing and hurtful especially if they were what you will consider in the inner circle as your friend and you've helped your LiveView yeah but but you could be anyone and they'd be angry at you it's not personal and I've been the angry person you know when I've lost a lot of things in the past I've been jealous of people in relationships jealous of people with success and I secretly I've known it's about me you know and I always try to remind myself that self-awareness self-awareness is knowing where it's coming from yeah honest about it yeah I think because I've had a lot of therapy I think that's kind of helped me okay of a spirit such jealousy it step back where did it come from is it that person's fault no I just a trivial fool yeah is that and they could be anybody having anything and I would still have that emotion because it's in me and I kind of needs to work through it so you know I think a lot of people are embarrassed had therapy or think they don't need it but for me I've always found it really beneficial hmm yeah I've not had it but I've done loads of personal development yeah which is similar a similar thing yeah I definitely could say that I'd like to have it I was talking to a friend of mine who's just had a divorce or split with his wife and he's certainly at first was like well that's a weakness I'm not getting my kids into therapy I'm not in therapy and I think you just recently come round to the idea yeah scary you know you have just to taught you things out yeah and also we're British we're private and we're stiff upper lip so to to tell somebody confidential things to be vulnerable is scary but when you're vulnerable you get to practice resilience you get to such as courage you get to practice bravery so if you put yourself in a vulnerable space you can learn a lot about yourself and you can grow as a person yeah you know and you're big about being in discomfort to progress you know and taking that risk and you have to do that to evolve you know yeah I think that that's a really good point I suppose this vulnerable thing I've been a bit scared to jump on it because there's a lot of people saying hey I just want to be vulnerable and they're using it as marketing or yeah kumquat you know people don't burn it Brown have made that oh yeah did you like her I like her yeah I do I get a bit from everyone yeah so I have my favorites and have others that my style isn't quite the same I admire what she's done she's got a Netflix show which I thought yeah I mean you know nokama 40 year old male and I think her ideal demographic is not face yeah so just saying but yeah I mean anyone who's done the reach and made a difference in people's life I think it's great but she's made this like a buzzword yeah and so I've kind of like because of my I suppose my own baggage I've kind of shied away from it because I don't want people it's not for me it's not a buzzword it's like being honest about how you feel and saying and doing the right thing yeah so I've got our biggest event this weekend there's 1,400 people that are going to be there it's the biggest one we've done now I'm doing a talk I've done plenty of times like a lot of times how'd you talk to you talk from notes or do you just don't ever talk from no okay man I've got very relaxed style yeah um but I'm really freaking nervous yeah all week it's been tying me and bit yeah like my arms feel all like acid my stomach's just got a hole in it yeah ah I can't get my head around why because I've done it so many times yeah I'm gonna think about it I know I'm the best person in the world to do this talk at this time in this way there's other speakers but this one particular talk yeah I've got the best tools I'm the right person to it and I've got loads of experience but I'm still [ __ ] but that's brilliant the day the day I don't both never had nerves like I said the day you're not nervous you should stop doing it because you're flat but I'm always nervous but like I'm a little bit nervous a little nice twinkle and feel bad guys they give it yeah but I'm actually worried this is gonna like to like get you out your comfort zone well I think is I've done this before yeah well I like it you know I always get nervous I always get adrenaline I even get a little bit of self-doubt like I'm a my the right person is is it gonna be good and that kind of makes me that a little bit on edge and and it's good and it makes you relatable and accessible and then when you go out there you're so driven because you don't take for granted this is going to be great you think what might not be oh I got to make it I've got to make it really good and then you become more passionate and more alive and and and it's just like on your shoulders that responsibility is good I think yeah that's what I've been saying to myself in my head I've got this I know this I've done it I mean that talk I'm doing I've done 150 times or the guise of it you know so well I think when it's an event like that where they it's advertised they've got some I tickets to come your 50% already in the door because they want to see you they like you they like your message and they've hats they're not forced to come by their work they've they've done it themselves they've had the initiative to come so you're already half run them over yeah I mean I know that yeah I think the one thing in my head is you know what just what if I don't deliver at the most important speech I've probably done if I don't know Clint it's not an opinion yeah because it's a lot of it a lot of people will be expecting me to bring it because they know what I've done before and that's yeah let's put out it puts added pressure on but this is like reviews like reviews are an opinion and some work like that or can be like that's changed my life and it genuinely could change their life another person may be like that's crap I've heard that or before I didn't I didn't relate to that and you're like okay that is literally an opinion and there's nothing wrong or right with either of those reviews and sometimes some things are factual you can't change them and so you go in you'd be the best version of you and some people are still gonna hate it you know and maybe they're just a pessimist maybe they hate everything they do maybe they love hating everything they do yeah you know and they enjoy that and and maybe they'll live a whole life of loving hating stuff and criticizing it and maybe it won't be till they get to the very end of that life that way they'll be like have that woke moment where they've like oh it's too late by wasted life always hating it you know yeah that's a good point [Music] let's move on from this stuff yeah but I mean the point about critics is I've tried my whole life to figure out what is the purpose of a critic I don't see much upside you know they just seemed to go and want to put their bitterness out onto other people do you critique yourself do you ever write reviews I am probably my harshest critic in my own mind I don't ever write reviews on myself yeah and I rarely write reviews on others and 99.9% of the time I feel like if there's nothing constructive and good to say to someone why ruin their day or their week by yeah hating on them or giving them unfair I think there's a big difference between critique or critic and hey yes oh yeah definitely buy a lot of critic criticism turns into unnecessary hate or like you said earlier it's someone else's emotions that they're dumping out on to you but I think I figured it out and I think that the purpose of a critic is to keep us in balance yeah and it's not helpful to always get praised oh no because we our ego would go wild yang would be less careful with other people's money with our clients with our reputation with doing good with being nice to people and I know a lot of people tell no he wouldn't we wouldn't we wouldn't but I mean imagine if we had everything our own way all the time and it wasn't we didn't have a fear that someone was there to chop us down yeah yeah it's dangerous yeah and so I don't you know like as much as I wouldn't want to be a critic I wouldn't want to be a professional who lives a earns a living or gets satisfaction he'll not compete other people down but the planet needs them yeah so it's all kind of balances out and like if you didn't get critic a critique for a project then it didn't work you'd be genuinely really shocked because you'd be like but everything I do is just this and you learn the most from your critics yeah and they get you to search your soul the most and then when it hurts the most is usually I found when there's truth in it because when someone calls me a wank or all the other stupid things that they call me they're some of my critics bi-lo great poets oh really come up with some really great little phrases and sentences but actually when it really cuts is usually when there's a little bit of truth in it right and then that gets you to stop and manage your own emotions I think okay yeah I'll fix that or I can work on that and then you can go into gratitude where you're like actually grateful for that because I think what we want is critics ex-boyfriends and ex-girlfriends and partners and stuff what we want is people to communicate with us in the way that we want it right okay but we can't oh no they're going to communicate with us in the way that they want to and that's life yeah yeah so let's not worry about the style of communication yeah they're angry or rushed or wrong timing you know I've got someone in my staff at the moment talking to me about my foundation because I've gotta get moving with it what does your charity's own so it's it's just named after me because that seemed to be the best thing so yeah and my mission is to help as many people across the globe get better financial education starts go their business especially young and underprivileged people brilliant that's my vision admissions day yeah but like it's been live about a year there's some money sitting there and I've not really done anything cuz I've been really busy and I didn't want to go into it and do it half-assed yeah so at the moment I've got someone in my team going Rob look at all this that you've got to do Rob if you don't do this this and this you know you've got to keep active yeah and they're on at me and I'm not why'd you have to ask me now two [ __ ] days before my biggest event of my life why cotton oh god of course yeah oh yeah yeah but like she's already doing the right thing she's helping me out we need to answer all these questions she's got your best injured so I can't own when she communicates with me I've just got to go okay look can we talk about this Monday blame Damon and so that's another thing where like you can't own how people communicate you can't only help the timing of what people do oh you just got to accept yeah people dump on you whether it's emotionally professionally and people don't know what other stuff's going on you know and she doesn't know brick in it about the supercoppa she can't exam your confidence yeah exactly that was that getting that that assumption that because you're confident in some areas that you've got everything under check and and you know sometimes that assumption can be wrong hmm I didn't realize this was gonna turn into a Rob therapy we haven't even questioned no you know this is great I think that look that this discussion is where I want to be with this podcast not like a monologue or an interval point you'd get me drunk like Dom Joly yeah really annoys when when I dropped the C bomb I said to him Dom my mom watches this yeah he was good yeah I mean I listen to your podcast either when I'm running on my own like in the gym outside or in the cars but he was so good all right because there's a lot of stuff I didn't know about him I only got a percent of all the royalties of yeah yeah yeah now it's really important to manage your business affairs yeah like I do help and work with a lot of people who are well-known like yourself or and sometimes when people get success quite quickly or well like you you get a book deal and you're so grateful yeah you've got a book deal or that you want someone said I want to sponsor you out on a podcast yeah you don't really put your commercial hat on you end up doing a deal that's actually not fair exchange yeah Suzanne sure I know her really well it was in USA and they were just all like blown away there's in the moment I think it was was it Grenada it was a big production company they got a massive split right and she got hardly any money because they were really big yeah yeah sometimes she'd get royalty checks that were less than a pound yeah it doesn't surprise me yeah and she reckons she was working one hundred hundred and ten hours a week with all the travel Carl just pick him up at 6:00 in the morning off and she didn't have any commercial yeah we're nurses I think some people why would you if you're on earth true but like the hottest are allowed to be commercially aware yeah I think a lot of artists think that it's bad to be commercially aware oh yeah greedy or you shouldn't do it for the money but if you end up getting turned over or this is the important phrase if there's unfair exchange you're gonna end up resenting yes sir unfair exchange where you're greedy you'll end up with guilt run for exchange where you feel you've been taken advantage of you'll end up with resentment bitter yeah that's true yeah it's funny once I discovered you then I was like god he knows everyone cuz I I did strictly and then Kevin Clifton oh yeah yeah I was like Oh rub gets everywhere he goes everyone I've been very lucky with the reach of the podcast yeah I feel like I'm to do this with you as a massive privilege ah likewise and to mean for me one of the greatest things in life you know love and family aside of course they're a given is to meet really cool people and have really interesting conversations but also because your advice crosses over into all different industries because that's unreal right on the face so I think it's just about prophecy but it's that it's not it's about happiness it's about future it could go into the entertainment industry the sporting world really it can apply to anybody you know so it's quite quite and I should be up here someone else is a better champion of your stuff than you yeah yeah actually let's talk about PR because well I have a PR company okay and I think they do great work with the tools that they've got because you know like I don't want to say that my success is any less or more deserved than anyone else but I haven't come from being a celebrity I've come from starting a business and working my way up that way and in some ways I think that helps in other ways that hinders so talk about tips on PR and getting yourself out there and you know maybe leveraging media cuz you're brilliant all that um yeah I mean I suppose I'm not a celebrity or come from it you know I don't have a talent where I'm an actress or a singer I didn't go to stage school you know what happened to me was because I was a shocking news story lots of people became aware of who I was through quite tragic circumstances so through that platform I mean the short version is I had to have a lot of treatment abroad because it wasn't available in this country and then because my story had been a documentary and we lived in a small village people started posting like 10 pound notes from a mum and dads door or like kind of wanting to help because you know right when you see horrible things in in mankind and it's hard to not like lose your faith in society how could somebody be so you know when we see terror attack how can somebody be so evil the world's a dangerous place it is but look at how many people on Westminster Bridge ran and helped and and you know you have to look at so when what happened to me happen people see this horrible extreme side to man and they show their good side and they were putting money through my door my mom and dad typical them my dad like whip the tenner at my hand you can't keep that you better you treatment on the NHS might benefit I've got a key for dinner he's like know what we'll do we'll we'll put this money aside and then this tree Trigon abroad for but like we'll get a bank account for charitable status and we'll put the money away until we know how to and we'll we'll blow out of fun people to go to the same clinic I went to abroad and then as that got more professional and this is a very short version little as that got more professional formalized into a charity the vision change to will set this connect up in the UK that was 11 years ago last month we set up the clinic in Liverpool yes we have it and it was all using we don't have any government funding it's all public money and we were able to kind of do I thought of the bloody question now well let's carry on because yeah doing social media right we'll come back to so as we set up the clinic right and that I say put through the charity I don't take a wage so I wasn't earning any money whilst I was doing that but through through the foundation and that awareness and that platform people wanted to know more about the psychological side of my recovery how did I get through it and then that's where the butcher and you came like I told you and again initially the book didn't make me any money then as it gathered a more readership as success then the the financial success followed so I suppose rather than being a celebrity I became somebody with an amazing story what yeah and a following where people were engaged and interested and then I suppose with social media then people come interested in your hairstyle your outfit your shoes and then it just becomes where you've just connect with people on all different levels suddenly might commercialize on some you might use to help less fortunate people and it becomes that cross-section because everyone's a can be famous everyone can be a cemetry everyone can get followers now the demographic has kind of changed when I was young celebrities were people with talent with usually some kind of theatrical musical talent and probably worked for a very long time yeah social media can make you big quite quickly yeah but that's not to discredit people because I work really hard you know some people might call me a celebrity but I wouldn't say I'm an artist in that sense but that has become the way I earn my living now by working the corporate world you know I'd give talks in the city I'd give talks from their training days and that's my way how am i solid money you know so so yeah it's a kind of a mix way so in terms of PR do I use PR if I work for an internal brand I'm one of the faces of laurio they have their own PR internal PR if I work for a book company they have internal PR but I might pay an external PR to do a couple of days for me on a project-by-project basis but yeah I will be active on social media myself which is kind of like PR in that sense but when your product is you you are walking talking PR so everywhere I go I remember that and if people want to take a picture with me if people want to share their story with me of a terrible thing that happened to them in their past I will give them that time to do that because they put me where I am and they deserve that opportunity just like I've had opportunities myself so it's kind of giving that mutual respect yeah and so should I think that's really important by the way like I get stopped a fair bit and I actually really like it I'm sorry to admit it and I have to do a lot of photos at events and yeah and I feel like one day someone's going to come up my talk to me and hate me and you've had that and I've never had that I've never been stopped on the street and someone shout at me in a song it's all good at yeah all good yeah so I'm trying to remember the wheel liners mean offline as they are unlike true they don't Bose but it's gonna happen what one day someone's gonna stop me and go the point is it's like enjoyable at the moment I think giving people that time yeah and but this is there's also a lesson in boundaries I'm saying no to ok and when your time finishes and when it's time to go home and see your kids yeah and just also a case it because what I'm known for ok there's lots of different things to discuss they're known for but obviously at the crux of it is that trauma I get a lot of people offloading onto me and you know I might be of my five-year-old daughter and someone might come to me and say I was sexually abused as a child and I have to say I'm really sorry to hear that please email me through my charity I can't talk to you now cuz my daughter can understand and it's not really appropriate and and it's hard to be assertive to people when they when they are talking to about something really sensitive that person might have never opened up to anyone in their life and it's difficult and I used to take it on I used to let people tell me catastrophic traumatic things in nightclubs and restaurants in bars and and I relapsed I had a really problematic relationship of alcohol I had to go back into therapy because I went and I'm being a yes person and that's not good for you so it's hard like resent people because you're giving them your time but then I get this quite a lot because people pitch me all the time that's my fingers I said you're my version of your thing people pick yeah at the time and it's like you know that I've got to go home see my kids I want to see my wife before I got a bed it's light so people pitch you know just overall look just put on a one-pager and send it to Lauren email and I will read it yeah but basically is if they pitch me then I'm in the wrong space anyway yeah but so I don't wanna reject them but if I have like a little boundaries up okay cool send on a one-pager yeah and they'll every yeah and I'll be in a best day and I feel like that makes me feel good yeah yeah it's powerful to say no and also if you do care about people and you are passionate about people you can't empty your cup because then you'll help nobody you know so you do have to it's hard because when we're British we don't really speak the truth do you follow a very British problem on Twitter it's really funny it's all about like you know if someone's like we'll ask you about how are you to tell you like fine thanks and then it's like in a speech bubble horrendous where we don't really say that you know so we don't want to be nasty to people we don't want to push people back but it's not like American people will just tell how it is you know ask you that because I'm fascinated with this question then then you get sorry to interrupt you but I actually don't know if it's right when people say how are you to say I'm good thanks or tell them the truth and there are completely on the fence because you study some personal development people and some sales people that always tell people you having an awesome day and yeah you know like show the world the best you and I get that yeah and then sometimes I think well actually maybe you should just be honest I I just don't think it's black and white I always think it's a case-by-case basis I feel like because yeah sometimes you need to protect yourself you need to have pride see you need to not confined in the wrong people and sometimes it's suitable okay you know it someone asked me how I was and they were a person who was also living with burns and scars who I knew for my charity I would tell them the truth I would say Oh actually had a really bad day yesterday because of X Y Zed but today is better and that might help them to be like oh I feel like she's the strongest burn survivor out there or I feel like she always feels beautiful or I feel like she's not she never covers up her scars you know and that helps that person but if it was just somebody miking me up to go on a TV show and they're like how are you I wouldn't be like last night I cried into my pillow you know so it's just different isn't it judging the situation yeah and I guess the person yeah I says it's about honesty isn't it like you sometimes it you do need to have a bit of a facade because sometimes that's that world you're in and that and that and that simple zone you're trying to put yourself in yeah and then other times it's good to be honest and I'm like you said we're seeing more honesty and that's helpful yeah yeah recently I'm pretty good at being open mm not pretty much to everyone everything oh no my podcast ain't no one going on my lifetime I'm gonna go to my doctor sooner bla bla bla all sort of stuff but I realized recently there are excited so I thought I was pretty open and pretty comfortable with being vulnerable I'm good at taking the mickey out myself self-depreciating I'm kind of I'm cool with all of that yeah by I realized a couple of weeks ago actually there are a couple of things in my life where being vulnerable about it is really hard yeah and so areas in which I am supposed to be the best in my business or wherever one looks up to me or where I'm supposed to have it completely sorted whether it's marketing or the visions of the business I have I find it really hard to I go up there or if I'm ever just really struggling because I did get overwhelmed from time to time I know it's completely self-inflicted I know that I never blame anybody but like once or twice I was saying to Harry before is that how you doing I was like I'm really overwhelmed at the moment yeah and it's all my own doing because I took the super conference on and I'm doing all this that and the other but so much expectation yeah I've come on there's tomorrow mind you I mean like it's my book launch tomorrow it's titled yeah second biggest day in the year and then it's the biggest event of the year on Saturday I mean what idea am I too good to do it all for your energy because you're high yeah you know yeah maybe but I've definitely bitten off more than I can chew yeah I'm a sat down with basically the three most important people in my life who I said shared earlier and I said I'm struggling and we just need to let you know I don't really know why I think you should know so that if you know how you can help if there's any way you can help or be even give me some space yeah you need to or see this these because I'm messing up a few things yeah yeah things I mess up are things like speeding tickets parking tickets expenses I create a lot of chaos in out yeah yeah it's like tornado yeah and they knew that and I said look struggling give me a bit of time awareness them yeah well I think the first part yeah I've ever sat down with God you know what this the area that I've normally you all look up to me you in yeah I'm struggling yeah and that I think they you know they didn't need to say anything and we didn't really fix the problem it wasn't really about that but I think it was the first time I've really opened um said we really good yeah yeah I'm actually really struggling yeah I think it's quite liberating to say that though I didn't feel good yeah and also a bit guilty at the same time afterwards like should I've shown that weakness yeah you know like are they gonna doubt me but then I thought said it now they can help me sometimes in life right people put people on pedestals and I don't know if it's a good thing so if you're an entrepreneur it's like you're rich you're successful you know everything and you'll always be rich and always be successful and that's not necessarily true you know people go through different waves and in in that success in that career and then I'm on this pedestal of like you're inspirational and you're like what does that even really mean you know you're you're brave you're strong you're confident and it's like oh I don't know like two weeks ago I had sepsis and I was crying in my boss little Bedford girl's gonna die and I wasn't inspirational I wasn't strong I wasn't brave so sometimes some of those labels like if we hope that we have to live up to them can be more of a hindrance you know and they're of somebody's interpretation of us but what success is to me might not be the same to you and what inspiration is to you might not be the same to me right yeah yeah I completely agree can we talk about materialism and then do some quick fires okay I was fascinated I want to have this debate with as many people as possible on the planet yeah and we're gonna try not to push too hard on my side by rabble called money I tried to as many people as possible that the material in the spiritual are intrinsically linked and you can't separate them and you said look I'm not really interested in money and cars and I Drive up in my um smart car and stuff and I really admire that I do I really admire and I look at people who aren't focused or hungry for money and I admire it but I have to be honest with myself and there is a part of me that is motivated and driven by money and I do love money yeah and I love the things that money brings I like to wear nice clothes and they make me feel good I've got you know the car that I dreamed of my whole life when I was a kid was a Ferrari Testarossa right okay and like there was a Ferrari Testarossa on the wall and there was tests daily on the wall and Tess Daly came up to me after strictly oh of course yeah through it I was in the audience got the way that get keV got me a ticket and through the audience and just said highs from you more I'm a big fan and like for me like that was like the biggest that's okay that was what I needed and my wife was there as well she's not what and like but you know okay you know Tess is someone I was just thinking of you knows it's lovely yeah but so is the fryer Testarossa it's a beautiful piece of engineering it looks amazing when you drive your Ferrari past a school and there's a lady on kids and they'll stop and they get all exciting they go back into school a bit more excited they come up and they take a photo I didn't you know have a photo with the car that's a beautiful thing and and so what you know I my ideal classic car the protests are uh sir I bought it last year and our boy wisely because there were 200 grand two or three years ago and I paid one hundred and five so wait for it appoint wisely but the money that's in it will be protected I won't lose money so is a car an investment then well most of them are but some of them gladly okay um so yeah what am I trying to say there there is spirit in a Ferrari Testarossa right there is I am have you seen the McQueen documentary uh no oh you've got to watch ok so Alexander McQueen yeah nineteen years old he became creative director I think it was given she yeah which massive fashion brand nineteen years old a yeah cover the grid yeah ever happened yeah and on the evening of his mum's funeral on his 40th birthday he hung himself I just watch it I know but like but that guy got so much 21 years and he lived like a hundred year or 200 year life yeah and like I will go into the Queen and I'll quite happily spend 800 quid no shirt or three thousand quid on a jacket because I feel like I'm buying into spirituality and yeah I'd fear I'm buying into I feel something emotional like a patek philippe walk or whatever whatever do have you got any thoughts well okay so you're still trying to figure out how yeah um so money does rule me in the sense of what I attach to money is security right so money makes me feel secure for the future it gives me choice freedom and functions but in that regard is a very spiritual thing to be able to put your kids through private school yeah and but who are we to judge if someone else if someone wants a material item or not yeah I mean I don't really accumulate money but I don't really spend it so I don't where design I love fashion and clothes because of identity and expression but I don't buy designer clothes so if I go to an event I just loan a designer dress give it back the next day for a stylist write my regular clothes I like Topshop you know with ride into High Street stuff then I pass them on to my sister once they've been photographed so I have a I don't keep and hold on to things could have been there so there's an argument that that's frugal and not wasteful well maybe there's an argument that actually if you invest in the nice handbag or the nice jacket you're financing the artist like you know and I remember when Radiohead released their album in rainbows and it was the first one where they were out of contract I think it was in rainbows and they said you can pay whatever you want for the album yeah I thought the page and said pay whatever you want okay and I was skiing at the time but I remember putting in quite a lot of money yeah and I skip because I thought I love this band it's like oh yeah yeah I love Radiohead I love their are want you I want to be able to be a part it's like fan-funding you got the support a program on Facebook or patreon that's how I feel about it must be gay patek philippe yeah Ferrari Valentino give or she whatever so is there an argument that yeah okay if I did a job different to mine yes I should buy investment pieces that I wear again that will hold a value but a lot of the jobs I do the brand or the TV company would say no logos and an outfit that's never been photographed on your Instagram or bit in other shows so nice yeah so the turnaround is is big on the clothes and the outfit so I'll pass on my clothes to my sister my my knees whoever and then it'll always been that kind of fast fashion but if it was so if I find it's what do I spend my money on the most its food right so for me health has been such a thing at the forefront of my mind so I would only buy organic food I would never eat processed food I would never eat cheap food I would always cook from scratch so my food bill would be in the hundreds of pounds just for seven days because it's always fresh food but other people be like oh my god I wouldn't spend that I wouldn't buy if I can get blueberries for 99p I wouldn't buy them for 399 I wouldn't go to the farm shop for my veg and then the butcher's for my meat what I do all that because that's that my biggest investment I want to live long but don't my injuries too short on my life I want to meet my kids kids you know that's like my goal that's my aspiration so my investment in my food is for me investment in living longer I have the private medical insurance and I pay for the best remote the top thing I can get for every single room this because I know what it's like to be on a waiting list not as access treatment in this country so that for me isn't a waste of money similarly I've been at the other end where I had no money and like I said it was on benefits and it didn't really change my situation if it had been the opposite and then I went through a legal process where where I could apply for criminal compensation and I hate actually talking about it because it makes one a cry but the paperwork is horrible the paperwork is like list what happened to you your injuries and how it changed your life and what is and you're like I was raped I have my face melted I'm blind and nobody wants to know me nobody wants to be with me I can't work how much is it worth nothing it's irrelevant you could give me Millions and it's not there isn't a price it doesn't matter I got criminal compensation and did nothing with it for two and a half years like I always didn't I was horrible if they like get all around using the money or something it's just like blood money it's horrible yeah I gave a lot of it to like people in family that supported me paid for me live rent-free and then the rest of it I just I just used it for my first property of residential property but which a good use of the money yes but it was like my first like I was young right and I always thought I want to be rich one of the famous I'm rich famous now but but now you want something else yeah it's life but it just taught me for some people money is the sense of the universe not to see negatively but for me it became an irrelevant current currency and I can say that because I had it didn't have it had it in extreme you just suit me and so my relationship if money is a bit weird in that way jump in there cuz I think this is we're getting somewhere with this okay so your relationship with money yeah I think this is the key what's your relationship with money submit awkward yeah and and also you've had money you've lost money yeah you've lost money and I've had something similar I've been skinned and honest you know I've made money I've probably at times been a bit material focused I set on my charity to be not so material focused and but I think the key thing here is money is a universal exchange of value is a unit of account it is a store of value for an uncertain future it's a good hedge against an uncertain future you know if like tomorrow money will be worth nearly as much as it is today so you can save it yeah and um that's all money is yeah although the pain you felt about blood money yeah your emotions bond to it well the the guilt I've had around having money when I was skin uh-huh and then the pleasure I've had a money went on rich but then the guilt of having pleasure yeah all of these left stuff it is all us yes not Molly I mean if you have a charity you can experience how much happiness and break from repression it gives people and that's like you know if we do like basic things on my charity like go to someone's house at a house fire and have to just lick this so yeah we'll go to someone's house at a house fire and we'll go and do a checklist and replace the carpets two places safer give them budget to paint the walls you know that that's great because you can see that money will help them move forward psychologically and restart their life you know yes and you have to be in a successful secure financial footing to be able to give your money away to charity well I don't know that's another debate the most wealthiest people aren't necessarily most charitable in my experience from which an erase money and you're doing a dinner you can't just go through the rich list and hope these super sit around the table because they might give nothing yeah but they might give everything and you might not know that yeah we your barman he spent most of his life in becoming a billionaire and I've just given it all the way yeah but some of the most generous people aren't the rest wealthy true but some of the most poor people are the least generous as well yeah that's true yeah yeah and I'm not trying to impose my this is right this is wrong it's just a discussion I really want to get out there more I should just go and spend more money when buy a handbag maybe I should just do whatever you want yeah that's right for you I guess I want people to have a good relationship with money yeah I'm trying my best to have a good relationship with money you know we've got Harry here who's come down and if Harry and what's that cannon ear what is that is that a good camera yes okay so I guess you feel you can do better work with a good camera yeah and these mics are these cheap thousand pounds of piece so like yeah if you're an artist which I believe everybody listens to this podcast you're an artist of some one degree yeah you're a creator you're a producer you're a creative you're an artist if you can have really great equipment and things that make you feel good and valuable and you can do great work you could do great work yeah no absolutely I suppose I'm then I supposed to summarise aren't my register with my son has be governed by fear because I've experienced being oppressed by somebody or something and I've gone through like legal trials and extensive medical treatment where money would have helped to get the best representation to get the best treatment so I fear ever been destroyed by something somebody or oppressed by something so I feel like if I hold on to my money and don't fritter my money that's my security blanket in that way but I says it changes when you have children because really your money is just for your kids you know and you're responsible to provide for them and when you're self-employed that responsibility weighs on you you know more than anything I think that is a quite profound statement because basically what you've said is your driver and relationship with money is based on your life experience yeah and and mine is too so in my childhood I was really overweight right and I felt like I was bullied by everybody I remember beets that I was probably nine or ten years old and if there's any children I need to be aware of this now because a lot of people missed my podcast in the car so if there's any children in the car I'm about to swear so I was stood watching a game of football with the load of older kids and I love football yeah I had my football kid on my liverpool football kit the big football that was too big the gloves that were too big and I stood at the side of the pitch and you know like the kid who stood at the side of pitch that wants to play the game and all these lads are playing they're much older and a lad came over and he sort bent down are you doing you watching the game I was like yeah and he said do you want to come and play with you ah yeah I love doing when you can't [ __ ] off you fat [ __ ] really just pointed in my face and he just said that and that just offer that just and like I went home cry my eyes out now and for me being overweight was no one liked me no girl wanted to look at me you know I look I've not had it you've had our much more traumatic experience and I've definitely come to terms with it and it's good as well yeah it's just upsides and downsides but I realized that the need for attention respect love connection all of those things I didn't get yeah for me that is often what I use money for yeah but I think that's base needs and I think that's okay and and and and that's not a bad thing to feel guilty about you know I think that's alright three hundred thousand pound Lamborghinis not but it makes me feel like I'm worth something yeah and it's that wrong that's worth noting you're working for it you're it's yours it's not like you're a criminal you know it's not yeah and I think I've been look this is our whole book about it but this is the message I want to get out to the world it's like you know try and have a good relationship with money yeah I feel guilty about the way you want to use money I think also if you get smart with investing yet because private school for kids are expensive yeah I don't care if you won ten million a year when you see the fees for two kids are an expensive school go out at the end of the month you know and it depends what you believe in because you could spend that money on education but some children that doesn't flip their switch that's not then they are creative they're not academics so yes it's a big you know people send their kids to private school who aren't necessarily wealthy and they decide to that's where their income is going to go that's their yes so yeah so we're all using our money for the things that are most important to us in our life yeah and I think it's easy to judge how other people use money like it's wrong yeah yeah and actually you know for me - health and my kids but actually it's none of my business if someone else's is a car is a jumper because actually if that's giving them happiness and fulfillment and making them tick like that's what we all strive for and that's the most important thing II good discussion I do some quick fine okay I mean you can also as quick cause um long as you like right these next two questions I don't think are very good questions oh okay what's the best advice you've ever received well it was around not wasting time on the things that don't matter with the people that do matter and again that was when life was a real scary crossroads and you kind of look back and say oh my god you know that you look at relationships of people the things you said that you shouldn't are the things you wish you had and it kind of makes you prioritize your time and what you're doing and going back to currency you know that was your most valuable currency you're me the one you can't get back so yeah I think it's always seeing your time as a currency and prioritizing of it what's the worst advice you've ever received I said it was around risk and aspiring for normal and security and what what security was to that person and and not to take any risk at all because that I suppose that as that person's version of being safe you know but it's the you know I was a big risk taker in my 20s and sometimes maybe not risk-taking we were reckless and actually that there's a difference between being reckless and a risk taker so I think then because of the recklessness then I had a period of taking no risk at all and that was quite stagnant whereas if now I would say going back to that measured risk you know now I take measured risks which other people might be a bit like oh I wouldn't do that if I were you you know like some people might have thought after what happens to me if I had compensation why didn't I just set up a regular business with predictability why would I go into an unpredictable world where you are still judged on your appearance and and your worth what is that good for you psychologically why Matt K we're taking that risk because I feel like now I'm robust enough to do that is there one thing in the world that you believe is really wrong that you'd like to change oh oh that's a bit of a controversial question because of all the politics that's happening at the moment I think there's a lot of things fundamentally wrong in politics society our legal system but that's probably a whole other debate you know that you'd have to unpick and you know I've made a lot of documentaries in prisons I've made a lot of documentaries of people that have been wronged that haven't received justice I've worked with people who've had children murdered and you know when you start to look into our legal system the parole board it's really quite frightening and that some of its not fit for purpose okay well hopefully they can get better yeah yeah I mean I'm not I'm not a political person in particularly but yeah I think there's a lot of we're going to experience some big changes we can all feel that anyway can'twe so yeah yeah um so this podcast the theme is disruptive all right okay I feel like the luckiest person on the planet because I get to look in the world and go who do I think fits the disruptive brand the most I get to choose to meet people or on fans of and I think in many areas of your life you've been elegant I also interviewed and so what does that word mean to you disruptive no it's probably just the word that was always in my school report and I you know I suppose it is about being unapologetically you and doing things that people say you shouldn't because so like when everything happened to me people would place limitations on me which probably also is an answer to that previous question at the worst advice given to me you know people like what are you gonna do now because you can't do x y&z because you don't fit that and it's like well I'm just going to go against that and try it anyway I'm getting rejected anyway my life's a mess anyway so what's the worst that can happen so you know things like I would put a picture of myself on social media with no makeup on and you know my face is a skin graft I don't look like Kim Kardashian and some people feel that social media is a place for hot sexy glamorous girls well this is me I accept that and I put it out there I will get people trolling my appearance not everybody a small section of people will and a lot of other people won't so for me being disruptive is just being unapologetic eating media and spaces where people might say I don't belong and that might not always turn out well for me but that doesn't matter because if I have genuine acceptance I don't look for that gratification for other people that won't fulfill me or make me more confident if Linda from Leeds thinks I'm pretty yeah you know you that's really powerful being the first thing I think you said was being unapologetically you yeah a few people in my podcast recently have talked about you know being that the true the true version of you do you follow Ricky Gervais on social media um a little not religiously I mean he's very quite pro-animal right she's quite political in his thing yeah so the reason I say that is because he quite inspires me in this area right he'll do a photo of himself like with the the phone that felt close to him up his nose oh nice yeah okay yeah he'll do lines naked okay yeah just I should check that exactly this is me this is who I am yeah I know he's a comedian and it probably lends itself to that but that quite inspired me I've done lives in the bed lives in the bath I just try people don't really care many wrinkles I've got my forehead and people don't care don't follow me for that and that leads to the next point which is I think a lot of people want to be accepted for who they are well I think everyone on the planet yeah okay but if you don't show the world who you really are how can you be accepted though you really are because if you're showing the world a false version of you people can only know and accept the false version of you not the real version of you and then they will follow or like or fall in love with a false version of you not the real you and then when you show the real you then there's a disconnect well that's what screws the young people up because that's what I never get when the girls Photoshop their bodies and everything and I'm like oh you're like hyping up the product photos and it's like I would never over market a product so when people buy it they're disappointed if I'm gonna photoshop my whole face completely different when you meet me you might find it a bit awkward because you might be like oh she looks so different and that's gonna make it harder for me because I've like oversold myself but maybe if I just show you the real me all the time when you meet me you might think oh she looks better than she even did online you know but also I think it's very different with me because what you're saying about you know show people you bah bah bah that luxury got taken away from me right I had a severe disfigurement right obviously I've recovered I'll never fully recover the damage is permanent but for a good six years I walked around for bright purple face wearing a plastic face mask with a shaved head right I was like six years of my 20s when everyone's in their prime I didn't have a sexual relationship for like five years in my 20s I didn't even hold hands of a guy and it's it's like really messes you up it's really difficult some people might have accidents that are life-changing that they can wear a roll neck and cover until they really get to know someone and then maybe show them you know like for it was there all the time my main communication point you trust somebody on their aesthetics of their face you communicate with somebody on their expression I couldn't express because my face was locked into a mask so it was really difficult to get people to trust me engaged me look me in the eyes fancy me was even off the agenda you know so I had to say this is me and I was forced to so in a way it makes it easier now to be unapologetically me you know I've well walked that long journey where I don't genuinely care if people say things about me or reject me because it wasn't an option for so long okay it is an option now I could put pictures of me in a bikini and Photoshop myself to give me a massive ass that's been fashionable but what's the point you know like I haven't exactly yeah like just it doesn't change anything like it's completely pointless and it messes you up and I've already been messed up through other things I don't know I mess myself up you know so there's a common question that goes around on podcast I try and avoid okay but I asked this and to Rosemarie Connolly I went to see you oh yeah she's loved he's a legend she is lovely and I can ask it to you because I think it's really relevant so that the question that goes around a lot of podcasts is you know what advice would you give to younger self and it's a good question I just want to stay away from what everyone else does but I'm going to ask you it because think is really relevant so if you now could go back to the you the day or the hour before what happened hmm what advice would you give to yourself absolutely nothing because the police told me that once I was involved with the person I was with that was it and I was lucky I wasn't murdered so this was the this was the better outcome over not being murdered and yeah if I look through all of my life not just that event everything of my younger self all the happiness all the dark tires has led me to where I am today and all the characteristics I have and it's not being a realist be like oh I'd go back and I'd write I'd rewrite the past and I change all the bad stuff you can't do that like you have to take the dark with the light and you have to accept that and just like we don't want to teach our kids everything is fluffy and caught on wall rap then you can't learn erase your past and the bad bits of your life and expect to be the strong person you are now so you again it's acceptance I accept my past and it wasn't always easy and some parts might haunt me but it was me and I accept me so no advice keep going huh yeah so um earlier on you shared your podcast and one of your books can you now share where people should follow you okay well if they want anymore yeah I'm I'm on Instagram and Twitter as you its katie piper underscore my books are on amazon supermarkets book shops audible as well yeah and yes I've got quite a lot of audio I think most of my books are on audiobook now and my podcast Katie practice extraordinary people and my books my first my autobiography was beautiful and there was a part to beautify ever after and then the self-help books have really been about confidence and overcoming adversity there was things get better confidence the secret most recently the confidence the journal but yes and actually and if you're listening to this and you need help directly with burns or scars my charity the katie piper foundation we are funding patients to go through an inpatient facility up in Liverpool as well so please apply to us great I really enjoyed it I got it I this is my bucket list I've been on your podcast yeah yeah I learnt this was so much fun how long did we go Wow oh that's good not not too long but not not kind of too brief did you join yeah I did I mean obviously I really respect you and I've learned a lot from a lot of your content over you know since I've kind of discovered you so yeah it's quite nice to come on a different podcast that you said not a journalist you know so yeah I do these questions because I just sometimes have this really scary moment though there's gonna be that pregnant pause yeah I always think that I do mind yeah I always have a backup yeah but the best ones are always when I never even look yeah I feel like they are so yeah me it's really important that pee the podcast and enjoy their time yeah yeah no I loved that it was good and I'm really high on this coffee I'm sorry you could you could have tried me and I would have just loved this if you enjoyed the interview like and subscribe

Channel: Rob Moore

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Id: xDjjx0Q732g

Length: 103min 18sec (6198 seconds)

Published: Mon Jun 17 2019