Kareem "Biggs" Burke | Drink Champs (Full Episode)

hey thanks like we hope you stop me this your boy in Milwaukee DJ yeah when you think about it and you think about independent record labels you think about people who grind it from the bottom to the top one of the first names you have to think about it's Kareem Biggs Hoffa mm and the reason why you got to think about it is because he was the guy on the front line he was the guy who participated he was the guy who made sure Rockefeller was Rockefeller when Rockefeller needed to be Rockefeller and if the case you don't understand who I'm talking about we told about Kareem Biggs Burke make some [ __ ] noise joining us as well cuz I asked them to participate it's Mickey Benson a case you guys in Louisville may keep missing he-man is Fat Joe he managed Big Pun and he's still managing iced tea which means his money it's still long to make it big yeah so we're gonna take it from the top right now right now ah drink chance podcast we we we honor hip-hop we represent hip hop and that's what we want to do but the thing about it is one of the illest things I've ever seen in hip hop was when Rockefeller rock or rap the buggy our business okay now at this time for people that don't know cuz everybody who got money you're probably looking at me and saying nobody I biz you find like one that's nothing to rap in the buggy I [ __ ] that's the 430 now but back then the buggy I was like the GS look four hundred lashes exact thing ninety four five so I just want to take it from that what made you say let me take a luxury car because at this time like make there of a 44 for 30 is regular right but back then it was that was the S 500 before the S 5 I remember doing it but it's funny because somebody just told me the story the other day uh-huh and what happened was because that was Danes car and then we found out that Foxy Brown had the same car we started today actually had this car yeah and then he found out that Fox had the car it was pushed him to wrap it yeah so he's like funny make it a street team car yeah so now big this is a hundred year old mall right the 100 year boomer is a Rockefeller got started there was money that was acylated but the actual money that started Rockefeller came from Biggs is that true I've been hearing the same thing man for a long time but my thing is no matter where it came from who put in equity whether sweat equity or whatever it is us three coming together it couldn't have happened any better you know I'm saying and plus with us three I think though that was the try effect that I made Rockefeller yeah the greatest [ __ ] yeah I'm gonna be honest with you he was yeah every two weeks yeah yeah oh he loved me [Laughter] Rocka fulness show downtown we had a good time he's pulled up with a panorama you know came on this local time you know I told him when he went home before he went to jail I said the word is you broke he said when I come home I'm sorry if I'm broke I see them about the camera would pull up in a pan around the coffee cake seats I say you're not playing no games man leave that let me let me just let me just bring you our bulk right because both for y'all like this this is the boss Matt big time Big Time boss right my friend before the boss stuff mm-hmm okay you gotta realize that the boss but he's my friend tools what I'm saying I'll respect it okay okay so let's take it from the beginning right at first was you guys started Rockefeller before you met hold because I heard you and um what is it called the white boys [ __ ] crazy ass yeah you know right now yeah the UM the white boy yeah yeah it was a great was a great show public art they name well I can't they were not a sad you so what you were saying was was that you guys was trying to start a company prior to actually meet in jay-z right somewhat well not on my end my head was just literally what I said we used to drink everyday yeah babies ain't care about the news basically know about that [ __ ] that business just a young dude with a bunch of [ __ ] money that all type of cause treat them just like hope these mmm what hanging out drinking every day so before you arrived Biggs just a minute that Biggs money um start at Rockefeller well I have to admit that yeah [Music] [Applause] I look at bigs like that is this big brother was my friend he and he made me big face so we all got clothes on bless God bless Bob Bob he taught me everything from the streets on Biggs was a young dude he just had a bunch of [ __ ] money I wonder wait was coming from just like a bum we'll talk about it would it be about it he got a Honda [Music] white t-shirt basil's into that it was just what he had to do and yeah the green humble leather seats I see what the [ __ ] he never talked about nothing never told me to drink every night he acting like nothing normal days we stood he had accurate let your BBS man cheated she like a hoopty ice assembly get that [ __ ] I didn't try to separate date he still acts was car [Laughter] from the beginning let's just say allegedly you would do your thing on the streets right you and Jane yeah yeah people's what made you say that I'm gonna stop what I'm doing and just focus on this part of it now what happened is we had a crew the best out the best out yes yes I was in the best out yeah I definitely was it wait am i MA I was okay that's what it was the best out so Dame left the best out earlier because dairy and - brought him into the music business which is Dean oh right James cousin Stacy's brother okay which it was the dark-skinned guy with no parents okay I'm bought yeah Darian okay well he was Manning is he - yeah brother brother whoa yeah so he was he nice skin he got to be like skin yeah okay he was managing on future Sam which turned in an original flavor he started going to school in he says men in future of the now brick wait to college he brought Daymond to manage original flavor damn got you know learning music business like that came back to the block it was like yo right 142nd or Lennox was like yeah we should all do Rockefeller you know I'm saying we should put this together we can do a music company we could do this and add it started talking about all this stuff none of the names of tow hooker hooker yeah yeah yeah so that next day I called him I was like you're unlike what you was talking about and even though you know me and Dan was cold we became real close friends after that we started spending a lot of time together and after me and J I started supporting like on the road and stuff like that bringing the lifestyle and that's how we came together who was the guy who actually met Jay first Dane Dane from Clark o clock actually was the honest effort on his part okay but I'm so good see so so cuz original flavor was sonic locks label oh that's the part we never yeah so he was like you know you should deal with this dude J cuz just do you know here in the streets or whatever and he don't want to stop so the only way that J took his serious is after me and Dane mmm and then when Dame seen him he notice he had paid up towels on Air Force Ones but why that J take it serious after being I mean you know and you know how Dame is Right the Dame is an order to work yeah but I'm saying but he's a genius James a genius he's business minded he's motivational he knew the business so it was perfect he could beat a mouthpiece where J didn't need to be the mouthpiece so now you guys come together right now accordingly big face Gary at first he wasn't filming J right heat this wasn't talking of ways we're going to me okay I want you this because you are harming and then this time I really don't know early on if you lit don't know what I mean cuz you know we have people from Wisconsin and all templates listen to this if you know back then in those days if you don't quiz you stay with people who quit hundred percent if you wall then you stay a few from home yes if you were sober least a review from ha yeah Dom Brooklyn that's why I was important for me to tell you this story when Dame seen and it seemed Jay had on pay up towns that's when he was like oh [ __ ] this [ __ ] cool okay look it by the J but this here's the hesitate did y'all know that when the Air Force Ones came up we all claimed them everywhere I think up you know I got a personality you say anything all right so so you doing your thing on the street Dave comes to you and says he has an artist right you haven't met him yet yeah you meet him that won't describe that first time you ever walked in nah I think the first time I met Jay was in front of quad cuz Dave they had a session or something like that yeah homey man money we going it felt out Thursday's every Thursday no you gotta cut me a check yeah so sorry but that's what I met have yeah okay so now describe a situation now with just an introduction like yo this is my man this is an ad and Jay so I think at that time I know he was messing with him or managing him at the time but it was just like we were just going to hang out mm-hmm so but uh I think we probably heard the music before that and I was like summer Jay early on music and you know I was like ah you know okay that wasn't about me going to be a part of it and not I used to play for everybody but you guys were already Rockefeller the best the best now and are there any other artists you're considering too long not even in the music business is just you meeting him for the first week so I've read at an interview somewhere that it was like the fifth record that you came to the studio and did after that he was like I want to be there nah okay and I never said I wanted to be down so what happened was when I believed in Jade oh is when he battled DMX this is so we gotta actually focus everybody I don't know oh my man red hat buddy come on let's everybody focus in on this energy it's big time unlock the energy unlock it unlock it is Evan he owns ok so right now we have Rough Rider neighborhood right now all right this is a whole bunch of our friends right one that we in the Bronx we we're not in their neighborhood not about right now right now right also now the bat yeah I wanna are cus we quit hurt we had Dane described this battle you know we had her so herb said he wasn't dead we had was we had DMX now deal mix says he didn't lose his back we had earned recently who said we take X lost hmm but I want you to describe the scenic so what happens cuz Dean is you and damn cool with deep and then why what happened was we was in the home the Gauchos Jim and my man Steve Mac and Dale chose Jim they cut me he also Nadine all of us you know we should always argue about whatever anything all the time so he had the Harlem Nights who had all Steve Mac okay so Steve Mac nudie and why so he was like yo let's have a battle him and Dave got into it about music he like yo you dudes is wack yes and then you know going back and forth so they set up the battle and then we went right after to the Bronx to a pool room on it's like on one hundred and some student no close to the web stuff okay it's like 174 for something like that okay so it was the Harlem Nights against original flavor but then they had this and then they had another um God a rich was another dude from Harlem and then he called D my and their neighborhood DMX and so you know they're going back and forth and everybody else and hollom nights is practice it's definitely if you if you know about my whole life transformed into Rough Riders with patient to you they say like a lot of like the loh style came from the Harlem Nights okay you know I'm saying right and that was a club all night no no it was a gang it was a group of the gang yeah yeah when and I forgot that we're doing there so now they come in and yes this big art icon yeah was DMX and this big icon who is jay-z but did not know but I knew DMX prior to that the infections to come uptown 145th and just wrap in the park all day when he used to say que solo took a stop seems like so they come together now what what happens because they don't know each other right not so it's at a pool hall you said yes in the pool so I remember like you know what happened led up to it or how they arranged who was going against who but Damon I mean J went against DMX they was going back and forth and then the funny thing big L was the only one recording everything all came from big L but why was like yo I shouldn't incorporate her nothing like that yo don't tape us so that's why the only footages on Jake so the thing about it is we had herb here and herb said no first of all forgive us I'm an herb we had DMX here and we asked DMX was that yo um who won that battle DMX said we never he never lost a battle didn't I see another interview with Jay Jay say he never lost about him but the thing about it was we had just had herb here yeah and we asked urban and herb said that's the only time I ever heard vmx aid I think the people thought I lost he never admitted that yeah yeah so how did you film in your opinion so that's the that's when I became a believer with Jake Oh a lot of people in the Matt is my man and Dame is my man so I wasn't their favorite nobody it was at that bad when I was like y'all just dude Jay is nice and he started talking about the streets right my money machine go to Dave and he was speed rapid a little bit but not like you know people reacting or people in the end he says a lot of people in X was going crazy but I mean both of them it was like 1a or 1b but I gave you know me me but I'm just saying if somebody said [Music] listen I got the tool let me tell you something I've been in this game since 1997 all right and since 1997 I have never seen people have more fun celebrate more life indulge in the culture more than raka from the records like you guys were people you guys gave people life you guys gave people jobs the benefits a blueprint you get people to proof right like everybody that's trying to be independent right now are they basing it on you guys whenever so what made you guys even want to be independent like I think that was just the mindset what happened they've got Daymond Jay was trying to get a deal before that kept getting turned down so that's what led them to want to do something you know I'm saying themselves so then you know they came to me I was like yo do you want to you know put this together with us you know so you know it was all for the countries for us and you know I remember something it was very disrespectful I was drinking every day sub economy bait there's my drink off big time drinker okay when the best the best kill down records and Steve Rifkin said jay-z's not our type of rapper Steve Rifkin yes baby Allstate [ __ ] this my good kid they said Oh Steve they said we tired of this [ __ ] and they wouldn't put their only paper up and Steve Rifkin who's laugh-in that before yes because I heard this story I heard is that visit you know big face never does that story just said but were you involved in that picture when they broke into Steve Rifkin I went to Steve but I think at that time was the one I when we were to meet Steve we was trying to hide him for promotions mmm so what was what was the attitude to say we're trying to have a home he's trying to hike a blouse you know I'm saying so attitude to say [ __ ] everybody was because people didn't just gravitate to you yeah to them so they had those meetings prior and then they came to you and didn't hear described cause I don't want you to describe things that you yeah but I'm saying at that time I was with them supporting the videos and everything so before that obviously we did st. Thomas right so we went down there you know Emory bought the island out of champagne so can't you say that like that I mean don't know why he got this in America but he brought the whole island out of Chris download on P so that's why we have Miranda Hart in in a video so we had a did you hear what he said before they went to hire Steve Rifkin yeah and Kevin loves to hire them yeah okay first case people don't know if you're just tuning in Kevin Laue sister can't talk about he say yeah they gave me a paper bag and I was like yo I can't take this fine cool we know we're on the streets we're all gonna get into what happened in the streets but when they come to you you say Damon J already had this poppet right they only had this gone yeah they had the name Rockefeller hookup yeah okay so they come to you and they say what he was like yo let's do this together because you had the business mind we at that time when I was hanging together probably every day for like a year and a half so this is in my lifetime is already out I can't get with that this is probably wrong Yeah right after I can't get with them I'm in jail oh goody yeah Oh years old you gotta relax my lifetime remix my life yeah which is the one that most people hurt yeah the remix you know we did the we came back and did the video forgive here for the remix it was right after that that we put it together and then the first forgot the first zone that we only remember the first song we might have put out so in my lifetime remake so now bigs I've know you personally like to me and all of my [ __ ] you I'll close my eyes all of my name is a you know a be lovers right and this is the the thing is you've never been industry locks like you never been like you made all the money and you still as hard as loved it how the [ __ ] do you do that like how do you make all the money in the world like I'm at one time I came to your crib you hit me on I don't even see you who's just bothering me your nori you good it suite downstairs the cry say some [ __ ] is real no no no how did you never like I mean I'm being honest with you like [ __ ] not only that you know you invited me to my leg muffle my second date I ever have my wife is at your house wow that's crazy music no your girls don't anyone is cute okay big cookies but I think Oh big house almost everything yeah no wait there's no pictures never lose another laughing but how do you maintain your sanity like especially like not now told my fact then he was getting so much money it was so ridiculous I remember one time yeah just told me to come to a sound it's like I've never seen you go Chris coming into the game doing well so it wasn't much that change you know I'm saying so obviously it was checks instead right so you know I mean the way you got money changed but it wasn't that much of a change where you know I mean you really had to change who you are you know me now big face Gary how you doing sir you drink so Russell rockin salsa water yeah let's talk about that Puff Daddy story pump daddy told you he'll dream with the help he disrespected me big time miss me BIG's day in LA where all of us ain't known about the music I just came out of jail based on them was like I was making more than 50 hours a week delivering food for shelter yes no shelter I was handled names of six or more the demon for bathroom day they said what do you make a week when I said 250 they said okay [ __ ] them [ __ ] I'm gonna pay you 30 grand a year does the hang with us you learn the business you don't get a lot more money yeah man I said [ __ ] them [ __ ] [ __ ] every day drink and snap okay so now I want you to tell me because I listen you know I listen it's it's the real what is the race the race how this is to official I had missed you and III you know how you know I love yelling it's like Rockefeller Yahoo's must in the family so what was your first memory of jay-z come on you could mix it you could you get you I like my first memories juice or something cuz they got languages here yeah I feel like you go to chases well the first not memory Rockefeller is like I said it's not overdose me because every day like I said Bayes was ridiculous we just drink every day call me 12 o'clock we came from 12 and afternoon literally the next morning we didn't stop alright Dan music Beijing talk about music we're pushing this Range Rover no gasps radius R and I guess on the regular cut out on me my bass memory drunk big thing for that job normal fella so I played all bin Laden I gotta do something jay Park to the top either a hydrant his GS 300 he got old so he know so I got caught I dropped you at home big some laughs I drove him home so I said thank you I you I this ma put he said turn anything on yo Maury I drove him from my block to State Street in Brooklyn that [ __ ] hit me was so [ __ ] up in my face was it will skin me like his [ __ ] they make no sense this is jay-z jay-z No Deal no nothing I'm not talking about what he had on him that's this over he was jay-z had MPV with BBS I thought I had a Maserati hmm [ __ ] had a puncher you know I sorry but I'm not putting out their bigs have Range Rovers legends come on coop these to him and UN what kind of car are MP do BBS whims in case anybody want to judge this before wheel draw MPV was that [ __ ] [Music] I did my time she's back there no with my brothers but I did okay for myself anyway so I drove Jade home he was saying [ __ ] I called BIG's the next day I said you'll change this [ __ ] Khurana jou sent me that's obey this numbers [ __ ] there's no business down here he's invested he's down business in the UK that's a big dissing [ __ ] retake I told you Gary I told cuz let me just say it's it's so hard to say let me just say something I remember and I'll tell my people this all the time you had an African driver it is me I took not sue I just wonder big lie - come on [ __ ] and every two weeks just out the blue our two would just serve in my house and I'd be like yeah I'll come outside and then big as a call me Blake I can smell it from here you talk about like you smoke a haze he's like look at outside being Sydney for you you know the thing about because we're not saying bigs is the best see or not I've start with desh story sometimes people think I'm basing it off because you gave me weed oh you gave the thing about it was I would come to you with logical [ __ ] yeah and you always approved everybody I just had to come with something logical yeah thank you do you think the black CEO is not existing no more because of death I don't know I don't I don't think that a lot of other CEOs today we believe in the artists the way we did you know because with us it was more relationship it wasn't just about the business you know I mean we cared about what was going on in every artists personal life have you is going through something if he was going something with your kid if you got through gotten a problem on your block we had to move people you know I mean send them out of town and this it was we was more invested than just from the business standpoint yeah it was definite oh he made a good point I remember when I was working for rightful deems to pick on me I was a mama's boy I won't leave my mama they would leave a man back before I got a couple woman living life may see what's your mafia you bomb ass [ __ ] your mama sit back and forth I'm I would say what he did and might think on his ways I will said his name he cut me a check to get your own crib man I mean one day on me and am using Dame crib we got in your car we both got a rash yeah we we friends you know bigs man I'm gonna tell you again I got another story right you guys the way in the studio tokumei Rockefeller mm you want this ass punk they cannot live Kioto first he was drunk as a skunk right big say you pissed me off your back we put Jake rights up to Jay Jay wholesome chef rusty I'm gonna learn Russian bigs note this is my wife cannot live Verte tunku's trunk Oh Sanjay well as you say no tell it was Jay's record but we have talked of worse it was filthy drunk and then couldn't take her no more so he said she got it right the first I can take this little more Jay well sunshade look like Russia you know Taylor all right all right baby we don't believe sir cause we bother them as you should my Confederate explode yeah on the set of nation in Milan baby broke that verse I was like oh my god told off to Lucas birth tom was so drunk this is Dan could've taken a more that's not she wrote that verse man any was rushed we don't like we did a six minutes actually that was my lemon juice we know cause I'm a sinner hate the big as me basil kind of personal friendship he said he's a little cocky but he's right a lot of [ __ ] was written was through bigs life man I'm not a name it because my car's cuz big league on saying from now you say about champagne it's biggest Kareem abdul-jabbar I'm walking in the club big head big favor we good here buckets listen I'm not making this up bottles this hiding on and make the chips yeah they don't make them in alone bigs a city man this one's big sad it's like hand cuff bracelet shake you laughing literally I'm like yo big what the [ __ ] bass that big thing you're not worried about nothing we good the mic oh sorry I'm sorry yeah wait I worry about nothing we gonna live yo the Big Big Country Club three bottles of champagne or type of [ __ ] it was just ridiculous but my cell like I said that memory when Jay wrote that's jet gibberish I know what the [ __ ] was but that was total cuz worse man so now look you guys are both follow you meet this guy from Brooklyn right now you're believable all right yeah now you believe if you're one of the foot soldiers no disrespect respects okay before you wonderful right so so what makes y'all say let's go full fledge on this whole project what was it was it was it a single record or was it just now I don't think I don't even think we had that many it's traditionally our products for Korean well traditionally back then if you from Queens you stay with Queens people here from Brooklyn stay Brooklyn we will pass that a ray mama at this time we were already friends for two years you and Jay yeah okay continue yeah so when you know when they said to do it already this is after in my lifetime and the remix hmm so at this time I'm a believer well you know I'm saying so when we put it together we put the reasonable doubt album together I'm not sure I think maybe coming to age coming to age is the oldest song in the album because hemming you know what he did that with Clark prior all the old coil with clock songs and um what's the other [ __ ] my life 22 tools I'm the obviously because he used to perform that all the time and catch me at thoughts those are the novus those are the three oldest songs oh did you mean Elvis Presley no make them put them on with put rock foot on the place in the white limo and we destroy Jack the rapper four holy cash and shout out to Kenny burns yeah me bro we dumb believe it that weekend mmm Domini well Jack the rapper what there's nobody in this park has ever talked about called the meeting Dan you cheer up I'm Serbia what physical some we know it's what we do we're [ __ ] slice slow Tess have you much time I'll be here man this big figure together you everything the stingrays as bad as my man honest my man okay the best food in the world best drinks at the best atmosphere [Applause] we all together we drink everyday bigs we kept the rail they said we go to Atlanta we gained jackets and we get rooms we're gonna chip in a bit or play hard and Freaknik yeah we all put in if it was it was mr. BIG's up to dress up we all have jackets we don't look fresh we went big summer in the limo we put rock behind a rocket from the buggy at that time we got the Rockefeller place on the limo damn no buggy no no we went to some party sure my mother party Jay was reeling Jay Ron hey talk man we went to a party and pants don't mind Jay flip the table and I'm gonna bake table number they flip the tape over there yo Jay started rapping and I was I killed the peoples and who is this [ __ ] but [ __ ] was so hot peoples I know what the [ __ ] you gonna do so Soul Train line we are hungry dancer yo j9 missile to that line he rapped by him that's how you do he was so quiet and smooth we were to Jack the rapper we had a bar member and that's when I said big this it'll happen man ok so let me ask ya both right cuz both were you are describing you know both of your own experiments this was it is so awesome right but when individually did you really know Jane was special because the thing about it is I don't give a [ __ ] this is my nephew right here I think he's special maybe I think he's festival cuz he's in my left you may be I think he's possible she's special I don't know but I have to find out years down the line right so when was the moment for you guys I told you the battle was for me the battle with dear man yeah hmm now do you is there [Music] deepa [ __ ] prizes no I'm sorry Biggs you gotta [ __ ] on my own so that describe this battles cuz we heard we're from gain curve we're from herb herb said he wasn't there correct we were from leo no Leo said he wasn't there Leo wasn't there um but we heard from pretty much a couple people that tell me let's talk about this battle so I would love to hear deeper Rough Riders describe this moment it was a number it was it was it was in the pool and a brother was I good so what happened how did they put these two like I said we didn't know D and Wahpeton we knew Steve Mac and Steve Mac was Dave yeah yeah Mac from my building on Broadway in Harlem so I know Mac it was even a battle for X yeah it was about four I think it was a Harlem Nights it wasn't even supposed to be on [Music] so there was battle one and then extras over there and I guess who was over there and it was bad on the two other people with belle-isle nobody was battling but I don't know Mac and I'm at some people battling yeah sure it was Darren it wasn't really doing much and then I guess X got on the table or ho got on the table then we put them both on the table at any they started battling from there okay so deep hole won that battle you really can't say nobody won cuz they both was good so when you hear it on both sides people like it was a tough battle clear anybody on that side say DMX weren't you ain't mad if anybody on this side say it was it was tight like it was a about a way you had to give it up for both sides and plus it was an experience for X as well as hold because they both had different styles and energy so they learned off each other so that's what made it the whole world this way X Ron that way he was like oh [ __ ] he learned something X hope I learned some formally both had 12 unique styles and nobody really was just it was like a draw but we just had our gotti all right and it came out um tonight what's the night this is the only battle where DMX felt like he won but he felt like the people chose um Jay do you think ur was correcting us the statement I don't think nobody chose anybody it wasn't even like that it was just like Moses said that Jay robbed and he left after that and that's what made DMX mad at him that's what Arab said right I'm correct I really only know who stay the left but we was there somebody got on at the end some dude that was real nice on ovary moment and some guy from the crowd or whatever he jumped on the table super nice and he just like kicked a verse and that was it everybody was going nobody remembers him everybody went crazy every time J got on everybody went crazy so wait just does at any point and this type of battle is it aggressive it's just lyrics it's just rhyming yeah at one time but it was his battle right now years later right you guys are both one depth again you guys are both platinum artists and then you guys do this talk what was the name of the top was it the heart like a lifetime yeah and it was DMX on there as well yeah and then DMX and the big hole was sharing the closing I'm not sure yeah correct me if I'm wrong and then it was like random matter in the beginning yeah and did it was like Memphis Bleek and then these two it's the famous [ __ ] we're all Def Jam what somebody a jacket yeah we can smoke or something drop the ergodic dropped so sorry what me I mean it's but you guys have this tour this was the first hip-hop tool no violence correct yeah sold-out shows okay I need you describe that talk because that's all single handedly was the talk that helped set hip-hop back was it the hard-knock life talk no it wasn't just stop me from deep Oh big it was Jay DMX and the method how was that cuz yeah actually curve we also have her oh sorry forgive us so much yeah some herb said Leo played all three of the clues meaning he played Murder Inc in May murdering happy for one point didn't game emerge Rockefeller was hot and then he came to me well I was happy and then he said this is ERV Zach words we can he said Thursday big facecam you were the number-one soldier what was your most difficult part of working for name mood swings man he was being too personal [ __ ] I don't know what it was and be honest he's a snap I used to hang up rest in peace [ __ ] because he got in your car and he got a rash no no I remember that but you know well I was a big big brother was my man I look like it put me in a harlot oh no they're not no god bless vice building he should never talk to me crazy since I started working for him he named me Luca Brasi which is a good thing because that means everything else we got done but then I don't know things person wishes I will never know they started getting real nasty for no reason but now that I'm 47 since at 10 years 12 years later I know it was it was personal day he was going through but I'll say this long as night I loved you damn you put me on Biggs put my damn you put me on Biggs put me on if you just told me she's going through you'll neither hey I'm okay I'm gonna talk about Jake that's my lady I love Jack come on but this guy I love that but my point is I love Damon big so much my love bigs because big brother was my man and fix put me on to a more games time I am our projects the Dame put me to the game but the problem with Dame my opinion was he was going through a lot personally because I know he's a co-owner everything's on him so I'm like I love them so when you pull me to the side yo I'm going through something just don't yell at me and cursing out cuz you frustrated I don't care if you do but tell me going I'll take that [ __ ] but if you don't know that's coming as a man you feel I can't be little yo G I'm [ __ ] up and gone through something this is driving me crazy i but make it let it all out on me cuz i'm with you [ __ ] you put me on my life change the wrong [ __ ] with you I was getting meetings games before grand [ __ ] damn and just 20 minutes I got four grand in my pocket getting way too deep let's wait for that stop you know with the point I'm trying to make was that that was like crazy you come from went from going to jail and come home and see we had you understand my pain no it's beautiful those are my brother now it was a beautiful sense of Lloyds and I've got a big story about don't stick not man myself just so you relax but with speed that's when knives came off get over there was no it was jokes knives Jase she was real because J go to jail up a million dollars and said you put up a verse I put a verse whatever when you getting me an island I say can't afford it want to speed that night mmm J literally says you'll be big face he did so for free by division on this be the mother [ __ ] he did so for free he did so for free he's a big face and won't you come with me cuz all day everybody don't let nobody take my hat you know I heard you say this third smart I dig it I think J huh yeah all the time are you sure we did didn't matter he said only one said my ass we did the show and speed was for free he said your big face he texts me we had two ways I'm silver shit's good for the game the game the game needs you I don't forget that sex man but they were thinking this happens he tries to time it right you said was Rockefeller I go from making 250 I was in jail yeah came home from doing $250 a week to make you 30 grand you get a hang out with them a joke the it snapped on and we slap back to make a 70 grand each week so if they look at Biggs I get 3 grand if they said oh damn I get 5 grand mean why would I love them like outside of it broke that expose how bad was it when when Rockefeller close I walked in one day people work write a memo main people crying I'm sorry the [ __ ] is over you come into work regular work I'm ready to work get my money do I do and and in Waco crying you walk in cease be chronic we're simply is calling that Dame's um uncle he died god bless I said call my with a crime the labels over Gary ain't none laughing hey Mel what did you say I was I was a joker first my say my laughs it's over Gary do you know I'm going to corporate [ __ ] my [ __ ] got hundreds of millions - music I said that baby and then I was like why people crying and I was mean damester argument dang wants to the fight I want to fight and it was so funny bees was there that day be submitted fully for a week because I want to fight I was also see how came to own your house I came in a beanie sigel house and he's sick that alligator on you it was noise you will do [ __ ] gene [Applause] we're gonna love that I've never seen loyalty like and I never seen Lauren seem like big thing about it was I know this is crazy like when Shawn Henry that's bigger bigger ma dukes big revolt TV mean there's like kill you know what I think things want to do it tonight and I'm like I cool and the reason why I'll hit you as well daddy for more products is because as well but at the end of the day when I look at a big face Gary I look at D from Rough Riders and I look at [ __ ] bigs I look at them probably the most loyal people in the industry and when I say that I say that with the utmost sincerity because it was at one point with if I could have came to you and said this artist is doing such and such D we looked at mr. Willy I would have came to the big and bigs it'll be like we wouldn't I'm getting Eva came to you this thing we couldn't he couldn't see any his vision was Rockaway let me say one thing about it I don't think he's gonna remember any of this oh wait you know I did the streets for all y'all in Miami yeah I did Rockefeller actually I got a little confusing we had Jim Jones on the pot and I and I said your name and I said aunt alive and I got a little confused but I remember now now you talking right now I remember the conference calls when you would jump on and it was just pure passion like he was just so into what he was talking about it was just I'm hearing it all over again right now and I just the passion was there it's always been there myself rocket foot was kind of crazy for like I say it's all I knew I'm gonna I'm gonna interject for you one second Deborah I wanna say one thing I was in this game I was getting money but I did not know how to have fun meaning I know how to get the money I know how to spend it I just didn't know how to have fun no it was big this is real [ __ ] this is real [ __ ] I'm not even trying to be funny vines' look at me and be like yo because he knew we was having [ __ ] he was drinking but I didn't know how to display yeah like I didn't know how to be like like just show the world like it was Instagram back then I'm good finish yeah cuz my gran would have been trashed this is real [ __ ] I gotta give it to bigs and game but I gotta be and they honestly they came to me and was like yo [ __ ] you making money have fun now they would have but yeah with the first two people that like you came to me and force that to me yeah I was like yo [ __ ] you get money smile and have fun and do what you got to do so and I wouldn't really artist at that time this is like I was in all your movies what made y'all why you said at that time I'll never sign the deal y'all would tell other artists from other places how to move and how to do that there was there wasn't other indeed there wasn't no other people that was doing that Wow Wow why did you even insinuate that I mean that's just how he was but you know we hate on nobody movement and whatever we did we try to bust down a door to make sure to somebody else be able to walk to the food so you know I mean what we flying around we show right I showed everybody around the world what you saying you couldn't go to London the sound right no I can't go to London you got me a pass yo you forgot a lot of [ __ ] we'll have a little good tell us the B was so terrible with a chicken remember there was no more chicken liver the hotel way too hard I mean Gary okay good I know Whitney befooled hard mother was horrible and we ate chicken every day and we were starving one day we said when we want some chicken at senta's no much shake everything out there's no chicken Bittle this is not how we kept going to Damon Biggs career we kept going there getting drunk with in London we kept going back to the hotel all the chicken in the hotel yeah by the instructor they had a link of their do you jump in this way to say you eat this way that was the rich side then me who got back to old something dr. wawee no no but was good we have we appreciated big time we appreciate it we appreciated when they came up with pastries I know bigs want to get to it really this is where Rockefeller and dog that will attainment had a drink a drink off what I don't know how this happened I'm front legs together but they wanted to separate [ __ ] phone once you came to Dre got a breakdown this drink off we in the crib now easy I cannot get on these lazy during every bottle but now is no more vodkas no more Armidale now a memo Armadale is gasoline big-time Thunder got Sonia let's go this is all modele you can light that [ __ ] up and and you can throw your gas tank up with that sir calm it down this is the original orbit down not this [ __ ] you know it's not good but so we be battling there's no water down and minding it down leaves just fall asleep but what's the battle how's the shake shop big say we ride to Norton we could go go go but as multiple bottles like different liquors the weak powder [ __ ] can be some on some went down I don't want to see that [ __ ] but we bound I'm hanging in there you know we had to manage yeah let me take some me and a Miss a bit Davis its him real easy now Lizzy is sitting there he's good but then it's the last shot Lisa say is no more and there's no more bodies you gotta relax we love you I'll drink with da ball big we took afford like us but now Rough Riders Rockefeller you guys know each other coming up could they ever implicate era like you guys had Rough Riders Rockefeller even more okay Randy could they ever be another error like that oh no it's gonna be tough because everybody's independent now it's not like somebody trying to build labels is like artist is trying to do their own thing themselves you know yeah but with that I mean everybody you got three crews strong all selling three four five million records every single time they come out that's that I mean it's hard to replicate that well we don't even you don't sell those amount of records anymore well goddess that was Leo plays Rough Riders Rockefeller and Murder Inc against each other because every three months it would be an album that would drop it so Leo will give love to Rockefeller for the drop-down we didn't really nobody really care Julio gay I mean it was it's still a competition whether it's in-house or not if DMX come is on a four million records we want to come out and sell four or five million records if jock come out selling three million Emmy anything even just with them anybody but it just so happened we know each other so it's like damn you know I mean right you know and access and you know with that relationship that's how Swiss you know we got introduced to Swiss from from them to you know mama bringing them in the office that that day that was I think that was the first BT produce actually was money cash me and Dan were to go here that the Swiss had to hook for so me a name listen to it over and over and over we called Jay like yo you gotta come do this [ __ ] okay because Swiss is nice I in my mind like my do this is for my world I think I'm not sure what Holly wasn't involved think it's more and more will hit you Craig and then said we got a guy named it was a Swiss at this time it was just your nephew is nephew that's the reason he's DS nothing oh my god everybody D is a God respect okay I respect indeed like his nephew got beets and he came down and then we did bad from TV alright so gravity was actually recorded before a stop drop right now stop drop came out maybe the year no it came out the same year right no but this Swiss just how did you know because he was your nephew how did you know this is the next guy beats goddamn grease at the time correct three had grease I'm here PK PK a bunch of producers but he was he was just a young as he had learned from a lot of things from everybody and kind of put it together and came up with his own self because it was at a point where he wasn't getting no beats in so we'd be like yeah that's gonna put that back over there I keep on working so we're garland was his determination like he used to live with me so basically I'm gonna homie be like I'm gonna stay right here I'm understanding so I understand you all night yeah I'll come in he got 15 wood beats every day for about a year straight basically in it then he figured it out he had to figure it out and finest about yeah when you brought in to us he had like a hundred some beats like that wasn't heard of a producer to have something like that yeah yeah at that time gets my beds from TV story that Bates is here to listen listen ah so listen story why he's right here what happened was nas was on the war report out he was on a record cop music make these dogs calm down have you ever heard that record that record is not a fish - it's never been cleaned it was supposed to be on the war report out what happened was I don't know never was clear Colombia yeah and then what was clear I don't want to get into particulars I don't really remember what it was that for this moment so now us and John the big up jungle and pick up knives they had called me and said yo we want to pay you back for that I bet they say you were gonna you know do the firm out I had never heard of what the firm was nobody had never announced that foxy AZ they they're never announced this what is the firm up I was like suppose her lawyers about to do out heard the firm I'm not I cool they say y'all were gonna come to Miami I had never been to Miami this time it's all I can't wait a little planet well God says no need to make a longest story short so I actually came and it was nature session when I landed for the firm out and I don't know I forget for what reason they shine landed later or something I don't know that's how I'm leavin came about in my opinion you can do with you would tell me you know so I can't in fact I'm [ __ ] up jerry i played me the bloody money me first so i did that and then you came and this is your session though but then you came in and then that I'll even be came on and I did my verse and you never you never said you're spitting that was he and and that's the reason why I've been from TV speaking the mic brother use the micro away ok speak over the offensive come on we'll get you later but uh so what I'm saying it was before that who's doing bad so I did bamboo TV because I wanted to pay nature back but not being a hater for just sitting back and just I love it nobody told him I was coming right and I came in and I just worked and they just never just he gonna be like I'm frying this thing's not firm give him the [ __ ] out of here you never did Nate I respect it till his day still look you got my real phone number just in case you don't know you gotta relax so listen salut let me remix it I'm sorry so there was the original beat such other ghetto and Swiss gave me the LSP and HSN I don't like I gotta pay this guy back he just let me live off the fur about mmm but this is the LSB I'm looking at this [ __ ] like I want to choke you I don't like that be any plays another be the Swiss play is gonna be and then we're Swiss pies would be and then this is the beat that we he's supposed to be as will be just me and nature and nature takes two hours he's right in the [ __ ] and the Swiss is the Swiss look that lady said you don't like this beat anything goes and this Swiss plays bamboo TV they twirled his verse in 25 seconds this is the time where you don't tell okay we give back the Rockefeller Roughriders match so do a big face gag what up slam you into the game your vision is only Rockefeller yes how did your vision develop like that how did how did that even get clothes on I never know names Biggs had a friend was a Knopf you're not naming her name's not big I don't want to do know I said the big name had a friend and I he BIG's the boss big spider and I made some moves big some light I make steak properly my friends they all liked me and I just started working hard I learn how to mix records that's the core base based from everything I know where to come that's a cold baked off a little bit they struck me a lot of [ __ ] and bitter and then we got I just kept working and I said basic knob big face it's not mixed right baby buggy he was fair of you bucket it's not right beside hell of air then he taught me I got better and better and big city this is your Mitch they like you step off this you're a yogi do your thing big is left to me there's a think big we do since Ronald I do autumn use your studio now let me hear it this wouldn't like I fix and then I was it now bigs now what means you guys actually try to make people bosses they self because most regulators especially right now they get an artist a hot and they want a 360 L you guys actually getting the artists getting them I and actually making them bosses goes back to what I was saying opening the doors but that another thing is when we signed our debt we knew we're just gonna sell the company in a certain amount of time so Rockefeller wasn't gonna last that was the goal yeah so you know most people don't know when you get into business you build and sell a company that's where you make you know your money at the end of the day so there's always a multiple right so whatever you're doing at the end of the year whether it's a 5 X 3 X 10 X whatever your valuation of the industry has a you know a industry standard but we knew we was going to sell the company so it was about making everybody else bosses so after they're gone they can do their own thing that's incredible no no oh right the thing about it was we hear that you guys had the locks you guys had DMX you guys had Eve another same time he became later correct yeah Eve King literally so lowly would you guys has a lot and DMX what made what made Josh see that X will be the guy that go home moti what gave you the insight for them oh we're gated an insect down there was we already knew who was the pick of the litter at that point the pick of the litter because we hire them over the years before they even got on so we are very new who was who it doesn't matter you had a good song or you had you thought she was nice I knew who he was so it was pretty easy for us cuz we didn't we never really got artists and didn't know who they were before we put them on so we knew expose depict he was the main one period point-blank Laurens down mi all artists new day now because we stopped because it is just not like every encounter I ever have a DMX has never ever been industry hmm I could see this [ __ ] but like how could you see us like cuz we had got here right then Irv said like I'm sorry I keep referring to him because he just were first it was gonna do so much right and he's saying that he's sorry do a lot job [ __ ] like listen my dude I can look at certain people and say yeah yeah I can see you get money I can't see you and say you're a superstar I don't have that ability how the hell did you see that I just knew he was talented cuz you see when you dealt with him for years before he got on it was just a matter of time for everybody in the world understood so we was all over the place we was it you know raised in the street so we hustled everywhere we've been there we took him everywhere anyway we had a battle weep I never lost like he would that oh and go who wanna battle and there'd be a bunch of people wrong you'd be like all right you O go I go you go I go you know he was just good I was crap didn't do before like big Pete herself no I think it was I don't remember that did but it was it was gonna be a deal but he didn't really get it so you won't check the first time I make DMS is gross [ __ ] battery studio I'm also I'm sorry battery students are like this because all I'm embarrassed oodles of dogs running in my second literally adult jungle last brother kicks the dog yeah and then 20 minutes later does like a DMX smoke too much she's getting some like dolls because he definitely will drink every night please weeping a whole crew no one care about nothing and will snap and we have a ball and Jake would rap that was it that was all we did the house different was that for y'all because back then Harlem people stable Harlem people like I know i said that earlier but to see him just like you know how difficult was that to claim that because that was y'all crew now i know one day we snap a lot then spring a little snack then I guess that nothing big for snack fucking-a please I have bad days with these illusory bounce but I saw it glows a couple and I loved it got you big sweet up up the kids I see little Betty and your brother recipes Bob got this a couple times after that brother that's not a loss it's not related with some Arnold Biggs this shot like a snap Biggs used to go to war Biggs had up what they sup of genius seven hour drive right snap them it's seven hours straight anybody can't escape sniper the highway I mean I'm chopping up the car top base bizzle by one to battle but my point is Brooklyn is on snap you know miss first no get money gonna buy clothing about whether they buy guns [Applause] yeah the rain goes for fair tips yeah I looked at my closet I said Dan a sweet it's not right the right way to leave away but it's just a play dumb face I hate you for that big bass the boss though this might be coming let me let me change something for one second right so for my second right um to me the best time in hip hop was with deep for Rough Riders was in power Wow Rough Riders in power pigs ding Irv Gotti don't like CEO hope of course I mean but you know I'm just saying I'm speaking for just CEOs no artist yeah do you think that time will ever come back tough to say yeah do you think that time is necessary to come back home I don't know if is if it's necessary because like everybody's taking a fate in their own hands so everything that we was trying to teach artists back then to be their own boss now you can actually do it you know you can recall job in the house and the crib put it out on tunic or whatever it is you know make your own money build a following on social go perform you know can't forget not to perform cause anybody just think there's a mod on YouTube or like they night on the road get on the roll build up a following but you could do it yourself now so the beam friend has changed a little bit technology change the landscape how about you deep the game is a little buff right now because of the technology and you know everybody could do it itself you know you train them and you show the blueprint you know you show them how to do this to that and then everybody be able to do it they don't like the lock side were able to get deals or independent deals they move forward so you taught him everything so this is not gonna never really be the same like we did it I mean it was a little different they could do it they self now so yeah what I'm most happy about is seeing that the artists are getting money outside of music okay that's what we ought to try to teach them I guess other things outside is they don't have to be music you use that as a platform to get into something before you do that but now Rockefeller right they are they spanned it out to clothing yeah but when they got the clothing you were it involved in the clothing was that well I was involved in the cross marketing of it so that's why when Dean went over there to Raqqa where I stood and I took over Rockefeller that's when I was doing trying to sign you you know sorry like they're Kanye's album and young guns either but you know why he never thought it was perfect because I was you know doing all the crosswalk and I'm taking the artist to perform state property taking everybody to London do the Rockaway shoulders and Germany wherever we was going so it was important to do it like that okay not deep right I want to ask you because you and Rockefeller did the biggest tour together incorrect and I felt like in my opinion I could be wrong like X is the biggest artist at that moment you could've did up Rough Riders all by yourself what made you choose to do Oh a rocket from the Rough Rider tour together cuz you were the head honcho you could have said [ __ ] it this is do drag on Eve and what you said you chose to do the the Rockefeller Talk what do what made you make that decision I'm thinking I think we was on I don't remember if it was I think it was probably me at home cuz I was kind of more we had a relationship and then we would be talking different things and we probably came up with the concept of doing it together plus you know we all coming from the same place so is that you know I give it a shot let's go you're all high anyway so he was good no he was big always big experts big so it just made sense at that time to do it together you know it'll be bigger so so we did we just just did it together make some noise me personally I think like as a person that been in the industry as an artist and when I bossed up I just bossed up what with just us I just feel like we need the black CEO you need these guy the one thing the one thing about bigs me working with him directly is I can say some [ __ ] in the in a circle and because you're black don't look and he'll like somewhat agree with me and then pull me to the side and we don't have that like artists don't really have that like artists don't really have them you know I'm a [ __ ] what you wanna see oh like the people is around other the other people is cutting the checks and as soon as and that's the reason wallet so people can't get playing about the lyrics or the music they got explain about the people that's actually pushing it I don't know if that makes sense you understand what I'm trying to say can we ever get back to till we you guys are running old person that's like you guys but let's say it maybe look I mean it's obvious is a lot of young artists right like you know little kids today that's getting in the game that may not know it but then it's a lot of seasoned managers as well that can play that role you know I mean so it doesn't always have to be to CEO if you could surround yourself with a good team for people a season you ain't got to really depend on the label that's what we should tell everybody stop depending on the label even with us right we will go to two daughters they block what do you want to do what you're marking and playing what is songs what do you like the single to be you know I'm saying we're trying to always teach so I mean like Gino right like guys like that you got people you know all around people that manage and do stuff that that helps artists I think that they could look for that as for help as well maybe a morphs into into people taking over the reins of some of these technology companies as well because that's what's kind of running again I'm sorry people taking the reins of the technology companies the tech companies that are actually really running the industry so before I use the bathroom there is a bathroom okay I'm be honest I'll be holding it the whole time but listen it's streaming helping or hurt the industry the exam the question does it help it because right now [ __ ] you got like 300 spins on like one [ __ ] right so 300 spins back then I'll be 200,000 away from me and go on a single but then they calculate it very different they say 300,000 or they say happy fifteen hundred spins oh no screams equals one so it's streaming helping or hurting the industry I'm truthfully I don't know I don't really look at the business of streaming so I really can't answer that how about you probably like we said you know we're really looking to I'm old school wrong pay attention to that as much but it is probably definitely gonna affect the whole business on top of everything so it's never gonna be the same like if you keep saying it's probably never gonna be the same but now big I want to take it back yeah it's a reasonable depth oh that's my [ __ ] nothing I'll do that ever ever every day every day some things yeah finally believe after battles EMM yeah so your opinion he beat DMX right correct and now you guys go to record an album or was y'all already recorded out president now he wasn't recording on price so now you go record the album so what makes you continue to believe I started to hear the song so 95 south the song that never came out that was I think that was a song that o'clock did it was like two or three other songs that I heard that I've never heard before that clock had done what Jay was talking more like how Jay talked as of reset right so that's what made me to believe I believe that now all right this again after in my lifetime I guess that's good too like when you were locked up right first off a lot of people don't even know we were locked up what happened it was a conspiracy so I introduced somebody to somebody in a in LA from New York and they they didn't even know they didn't do a deal they wanted me to basically talk so I chose not to and got time for it queer [ __ ] [ __ ] of course me I'll go [ __ ] I'm talkin [Music] cuz cuz let me just let me just as an outsider looking in right when I hurt when I hurt Binks had a charge good boy I said there's no way Biggs is something but yeah my dispensaries in California I was behind dispensaries in California when when you're ready let me chill relax but I'm gonna take it for Biggs but I can relax say that again so you was what mine dispensaries he was buying dispensaries in California yeah medical dispensary so what so why when this story came up these people actually thought that like you were selling weed and to me I know I knew like I had to hunt your argument stick they actually found a power two pounds in my house and was like we got it oh so did you know how oh like where would they say you had a leak in your house or something like that no no and then they thought hasn't my penthouse that was years before oh okay they're a rock the [ __ ] do I in Jersey no youyou have a seat bit let's forget the top of every day the first torpedo I ever seen oh man huh you survived I've been there [ __ ] you relax my friend I know we live a good time castle [Applause] so now what's the best error in hip hop in your opinion it doesn't have to be the error that you were in just the best area hip hip hop period that's tough late 80s probably early 90s it we talked about criss cross no cane era okay can't be in da da was krf that I Slick Rick cogeco you ready right now at everybody all the way up until it got to us yeah [Laughter] it's a great time I have my bags here it's like we both have beans and free late tomorrow they're not here oh yeah what was the experience of beans it for you beans so tell my beans another level man one of the best rappers I've seen them but he had an alligator bite you but you know beans beans beans the street dude we did what he wanted to do but lyrically a monster never seemed I like it man I ain't our biggest game of opportunity and our beans one of the biggest our vinegar chill with a toothpick million the beginning this gave me a whole album but then of course at the end I would let pigs I will have to call this is my boss of William want bass taught me how to mix records you know things of that but beans special a big B special ramp-up definitely my baby a special monster and you said he could village just as big as Jay deal he was gonna go to jail he's very close that's a lot of jail time no disrespect to him fellas are very bats I said the tough town if you know you only do we give hands so he just has to hell he'll do what you have to do but finish that means especial right yeah great talent like I said some forget P grab one second-biggest put this out just what Biggs did Biggs was smart he wouldn't hang with us business to do his work it comes in a block his [ __ ] and bring every out everything we did what's up think he wouldn't say nothing if we like it busy gotta hit if not and in it but big book the truth my biggest that's what's there to hear they said this [ __ ] from fully know Mike when I heard the truth I thought my skin it's not like you use fools I like you that was actually Kanye's first singing yeah yeah we saw the BIG's the front of Kanye was too yeah everybody said crops for the pigs a day the truth was Kanye's first thing yeah yes so I gotta do calm down you say what say it again which one now you said that the truth Kanye's for Jews but Cooper beanie rafted big sports 147 automatics was cool was that we was already drinking beer so do record and make sure bass had a technique with us he do the record and come to the hood we play it off like it's nothing if we like it we set it Biggs played the truth is I said big megaphone fully ki Fateh I said really Carter and he just can't hit those two records my big problem big time okay so now I gotta go there okay boy wanna go you got the top of the world [Laughter] we have all that talent from Philly from and my dear you guys well you guys so hold this knives right we shot a [ __ ] wolf shot a champagne there's no husband a glass of champagne coffee champagne okay sorry say to yourself like I cool this is what whole wanna do we backin them all did you say this is not us like what was the opposition imitates Boston how much I think it was after I heard the take over I don't even think Jase prett the rhymes to us before but he just did take all on his own yeah and then I heard it I was a did eat though it was real it was ridiculous it was really it's a hard job field let's just be honest I belong with you I'm gonna scream top well you know who my sees his old father so I love you to death find me find me when Lotus he's still my stuff I'm just doing a alright mother son I'll take that back in the day there's no we should sit on top of the couch it's not like on top this is it on top you don't tell me that wall down slam you know we used to them seats but on top of us is like like that not there like now we're ready is that on top yeah okay so we talking that record came out Jase imma kill this [ __ ] that's not laughing oh yeah yeah yeah he said big sucking lips you know minimum play that Jane hated Evers you take that first pissed off man don't worry about that [ __ ] come back to the table you got it so I'm gonna put the record I would I be sip on that [ __ ] I don't care about that [ __ ] it wasn't imitating impact we wanted but he came back that somebody took a break H OVA I got my mojo back beat the OVA no no that's nothing my [ __ ] back I'm a big-time day fan he struggled without my opinion when he came out with that record he's back so I mean acts nos I got a million your head you say first I say first one get a million nah he's where did this happen [Applause] thank you it was a nice to point into Martinez he put a moon on his head you say it first I say first whoever was there getting me get a million he said I can't afford it Danny take a deeper said nos definitely see habit you say any wasn't pull it up you swam I'm making a site you don't do that I'm so skinny [ __ ] Scott I cannot live well from this time about Morris I got the clock on it I can't do [ __ ] about this that was my man [Applause] [Laughter] what's your favorite x1 damn state property eros a first time I'm gonna do not rocket fully gonna laugh see the small I knows Oh I was maybe 91 bring minds m.i.c ether became a Rockefeller fanatic from miracle to the money I don't love the rocking phone after that after that let me tell you something stop me please Gary came to my studio I was just talkin about cheeseburgers yeah bees love that to you every day and you just you make it you're having fun making good money you're nervous to me I set up a meeting with them I made five grand yeah and my dad is that'll tell them I was like you know no no listen he's bringing a rock clean sweep on dissa life like everything I was talking about I'm like girl you know I see you see this chick she got a bad lace front he was like no we should have seen babies [Music] I have big scar for nine weeks basically I said oh baby guy eating to do man that's a good do man before we use social reform acres each is one thing though when you got your teeth fixed you look a lot better [Applause] I'm an Upper West Side big unless you fixing my man [ __ ] talking like you're gonna meet this is a boss man I do they prop jay-z bald ain't boss I got friends down bits of them bum B is one of my best friends each calls me my man my man amore for each other one day Gary you're not my fear not a rap with me about an AMR you're my friend so I swear to god it has some bad experiences but mean only real close being on my man my man bumpy very close y'all at one time I remember so nice to do we came to see you and you lose your PD track and that's when me nori bumped into all going to see all the little seeds that was [ __ ] between your mafia yes that's the first time it was no big a salute shapes the Louisa up old side we all have a fun Noorie [ __ ] you mother when I met you you're like a cat [Music] [Applause] I know see what y'all seen but I do know one thing shut the video and then then you add on a video so so we shot the video in my should add it to the video when they ignore me the Rockefeller Cheng Everton oh you did [Applause] every chef Rose the doorman they show us great man that's the one you heard me that day when you call me bunker on or look at that dumb face man don't do that they got you tell you the other day [Applause] the others [ __ ] about my losing his crib right I gave one Amanda I did me and Jim Jones we got a man we got a beard and I do right so then we're not I'm gonna say what so any pop said you gotta come to the money couch all right Turner I never knew this a money comedy without when I sat down I said nobody caught feels [ __ ] lost [Laughter] don't shake the subject why inside we were sitting on the money couch that's what he's selling is he said sometimes say I'm just so rich that it's just hard that's what it is this is the reason I want to make this clear I wanted to serve but the right they were my Lingus they invited me to every movie they ever did they invited me so I felt there was something going on and I was like [ __ ] I thought what y'all no problem Damon Biggs they never send me a contract not once and he said I never signed it I've never got percent in the contract not one I swear to god I know you probably ready I'm not even looking at Randy signal listen it definitely ain't get sent to me like but I was asking y'all don't send me the culture y'all's like you'd be good def put the chain on me that was it oh oh yeah let me hit that but that error in hip-hop could never be duplicated and in your opinion do you think that our hip-hop could ever be level you know DMX cuz it again I'm sorry to keep referring to her but herb is the person that we just had on here and he he's drop boss but what he was saying was every year it would be Rockefeller dropping a bomb did Rough Riders dropping the ball and they Murder Inc dropping the ball we dropped every fourth chord every year do you think that Erica ever be duplicated just can't even happen in today's because the way things changed digitally I know all sense of work anything to do it every year but it's just the game is different y'all might think I'm crazy and people putting out the music I think had the work ethic Jay has bees maker disagree it to me and people doing crazy trick hasn't work ethic man he puts rec it out after record after record but he doesn't have the swag that people looking for his work ethic is he where timberlands with no letter triggered citrate Drake was record after working breakfast but he okay now Biggs has they ever been an artist that came to you that you want to sign you didn't sign and you regret it that I wanted to probably uh the only one we didn't on didn't go through a Scarface to me Rockefeller on the fix album that was real Def Jam no no there was on there was on that here was before that I mean we was talking to him but you know we had a relationship Scarface is on almost every album well I did or all beans out so he's talking about signing and then uh and probably twist them we never actually saw we have so much yeah cuz you know twister was like an honorary Rockefeller too but he actually didn't signed he did like you [Laughter] yeah not that well god bless my man trial brought me he brought the album but he was bringing me so much yeah I'm like y'all take it a hip hop now I can't listen to no more music and hip hop was your brother yeah and he took it what's not the dude I was managing uh Nelly cool up cool it and then they did it and that was that album since the second this the second episode that [ __ ] Nelly and cooler love gets mentioning you [ __ ] brother baby now deep [ __ ] gonna come here not D have there ever been an artist that came across that table that you're running on and you regretted it no I'm not really at that point cuz I have more than enough artists I gave all this wait I gotta meet you haven't I'm a surgeon all the mountains like I had to get some way to just to be able to get it done so a you had we are children of black nation I think you probably went over there hold on so you had meets the describe minutes from Harlem so you know anything from Harlem moving yeah I'm pretty much gonna be able to get my hands on it cuz I know a lot of people on Cindy we always thought you sorta Bronx you know you from the Bronx and Hall both from the Bronx in Harlem but you know I was born in the Bronx but I've been in Harlem all my life so the braids I could walk across the bridge I'm good on each side so we I so it's all like this family you know so I'll be home so much I'm halal [ __ ] but I'm a Bronx [ __ ] when I gotta get up mace was actually on dead presidents [Music] yeah so he had to be first you're saying he had to be but I didn't like the way you sound so I took him often and we gave it to Jay so now so now okay okay that's one children a call remember we had bigger version with makes and Jenna okay this is the only one that we had tell you know was way back is with [ __ ] then started something I was just from the mixtape that's all I don't know right then at that point [ __ ] in started something me saw one was on there right there yeah [Music] you know we love you over here on this side once you take a shot having a good year I don't know what that podcast you went to before about that later yeah they got you stopped eight years i'm gallery it's easy for me damn sure you're gonna do your own podcast yeah yeah you get that right without you we got you oh my god me you want somewhat beyond beyond also at some point you guys make wrist our famous now Christelle top of that [ __ ] was so expensive of the average person in the hood you guys made it famous and then at some point you guys pulled away from i would like to describe if you can describe the movement of making crest our famous and the moment of pulling away from me I think we probably started drinking it 93 92 somebody says yeah it was actually at the dead presidents video actually we was trying in 96 we was trying to find a new champagne so LeGrande um and what's thought the 1vv yeah so we found that but they didn't taste as good so we kept drinking it but that was back in 96 the other scum and crystal yeah three four years probably okay yeah so at 96 we was already done with it so that what happened the moment where you felt like we were you guys felt like crystal was races that that was years years later you know that was probably I mean we felt other companies was racing I thought we got in Armadale because everything we was doing for Belvedere at the time putting other songs and making that popular and then we reached out to Belvedere to get some cases for a video and they said no so we did another song and then we try to get a deal with them and then they said no so that's what would we use yeah so that's what we did Armidale same thing with the clothes with iceberg and that's why Rocawear started okay cuz he said that very bad okay so you guys tried to get an iceberg deal yeah we try to first write the word was the hottest cold blood at the top you see a lot of people don't know that we say iceberg the people are thinking just whatever right but no iceberg was that wave it was like damn Noguchi shopping all right well basil mom I'm on my way no it was played out choco Harlem thought it'll harm some [ __ ] oh it seems because in a world you gotta really says played out by then [ __ ] off [Laughter] so you guys go to iceberg yeah I see you see we just went gear or you guys want her to get first we try to get some clothes uh-huh they said no all right so after making it popular again the same thing like we deal with over that we reached out to try to get a deal and then you want to have nothing to do with it so yeah that's how Rocco that's not Rockaway started that's how I'm Adele started that's how the music business start every time somebody closed the door you know Vinnie own thing it's makes it nice yes you got a 3-2 mic hurry and rein the crank I might listen but in hindsight we all became millionaires whatever and you mean from the music business or the news business [Applause] you're gonna get mad at me yes I swear but I'm saying in hindsight like I know when you thought dealing with big company cuz that percentage I thought that a lot of people was though all these companies was on threat racists and everything about or whatever they say that so you said it whatever y'all didn't think that whatever reason they because reaching out with them and they wasn't [ __ ] child and do you think and we're giving up ting like they just [ __ ] on the other whatever for whatever reason nothing ain't done with you but when y'all become dealing with bigger companies that never can I do you think that they were just missing full body wasn't doing it oh and I can't say I can't say why they didn't want to do it or not but what it did is motivate us to go harder we just use it as motivation so I don't know you didn't care it was like what somebody said races this is why I really was not somebody before music Charlie I want to say it's hard to find a man and lawyer these days when I grew up you grew up in 107 44b foot five what is this oh you don't me like it's Sam crazy sometimes when a man is that loyal but that's it's hard to find a [ __ ] like that and I [ __ ] respect your okay everything I spoke to this thing I've like your brother get a good hero no you no you no love hero [Applause] [Music] young guys bleak all these [ __ ] will go make albums and we're gold presented to Rockefeller and right front like [ __ ] you made then a Sun Sun script will we're not paying you for that right and that was cool ah so days somehow bleep put everybody on so what we gonna do is we're not gonna say it's lorry studio I had up cuz my mom us to do is on Madison but the invoices called Madison and Capri and you make me throw my weight away throw my haze the way up like Biggs I have to throw it away like you you want some of this I wanna do like yo if I go to my album on my own because they know this but we always good Madison so eyes the invoice hope and I all keep it real cheap Hey every Rockefeller artists and the booth had the big set the proven and P little bass a great speaks bigs like music my boss pieces like beats like records he's approving it no records no music Tama tell me what did I say more big now I'm gonna look down what did I say what do you say well really you say he told me your favorite exactly I see why Jill I'm not gonna look at you that's here people do what all you say here pretty says he liked it he improvement it he can get me without we give you a chance you say it looks like a you just said the same exact thing I just told this to mother sucker but relax what I'm helping your how do you steam it for race it was like 18 pastebin Oh sis was like ridiculously yes there's my friend's mom his big brother he was my mentor and being this my man give up the chopped up picks up everything base houses I've been everywhere busy his father recipes his mother and everything my mom bakes I would say eating with base target this is a good deal with man so I don't like when you just do this [ __ ] Mike that's my man I just want everybody understand and where lives me and this guy right here Fernando but when we started this [ __ ] we sat together and we said to ourselves this every format for new artists to come on like if we just knew and you just you know you have you have one record and you ignore the home what's that [ __ ] call Lily Rock nothing really wrong you got you got your platforms and you know we respect that but we sat around and said where's the platform for people who bill in this industry you know more than five ten years and where's the platform for them to respect them correct yeah all right to talk about legacy as well and legacy and this is the reason why I'm honored to to be sitting in front a bigs be sitting in front of deep we were sitting it for the big face Gary and then be sitting in in stingrays stingrays correct oh man what a dress again 21:50 Fifth Avenue this is the reason why we uh thank you guys thank you the thing about hip-hop is when you get a certain amount of years and hip-hop people want to tell you that it's over for you they want to tell you that you're done you guys had a successful close company and you started another for clothing company and you and Barney's and you win Nordstrom's or whatever you got it with next and these people want to say you can't do it again and the thing about it is our platform or what we represent is we can live forever because hip-hop shouldn't have a limit to it when you sit sitting around you look at the Rolling Stones you look at the Rolling Stone magazine's look at the Rolling Stones they're actually still touring yeah hmm highly resilient complication is still actually in existence why we can't do that with hip hop publication why are we you know I'm sorry what what I shall say is why we can't be our own like why we can't we get it certain people gotta be on you know we are these shows and certain people but we have to uplift our people forever and make sure that they live forever and make sure that they legacy live forever so that's what drink champs is about okay that's what dream champs is about saluteth Dean from Rough Riders you know bigs you know you guys are the epitome of CEOs at the time where CEOs mattered and we may never ever see that error again we just might not never see that against this Lord so if nobody else will big y'all up o solutions and I'm sure people salute y'all big yellow but I would like to do it on camera notifies I don't know you no bigs I can't thank you enough for being so honest with me this is fun so being so truthful with me at the time and even when the break that was happening you've never lied to me you can't be real me you kept it you gave me a brief conversation but it was real yeah you you to say huh you can't be real with me and and thing about that is I can only salute you for that I call me bow down I'll shake them Mike hit me same exact thing um you guys dominated whatever you had to do would you ever use you guys was dominated you guys came back and you let you never changed on me if I needed a DMX speech therefore neither locks feature but neither the Jadakiss feature you always cleared it for me and the thing about it is I missed the error when you guys is in the forefront not saying you guys tonight at the forefront now but what I'm saying is I missed when you guys was actually in the building yeah you know cause now I'm a media guy so letter you write me as a mediator for your job I'll give him right into the building but I'm like kind of media said like you know we got such a such shooter ooh what's his name and they want me to cover him and he want me to interview this guy oh that's not you guys never seen my show I salute legends I salute people that been here people that have more than 10 years or more in this game because if you don't have more than 10 years in this game you have hot 97 you have power 105 you have you have the entire Internet but to get on this joint you have to be 10 years or more and be a legend and years you're gonna be done yeah and the thing about it is YouTube brothers along very scary live some one of most craziest errors in hip-hop like DMX and jay-z had to be the two most craziest most opposites popping at the same time yes because X was I mean took my mind II still at least mine it's more like Alan and then Jay he's the most put together person in the world but money cash holds words how does that how does that I mean Jay you know he goes anyway so it depends on whatever song he's getting on that's what I see in my life and my big biases I know Jay he does a monster it was proved already in this room already man [Laughter] my friend crazy yeah dude ever seen in the whole industry he can't know I'm not even trying to be funny you came to my studio one day and everything I said it was like yeah so he kept me with a rocket from the artist and I was like Gigi no sorry no do not come out probably killing me life like you know you could go home you know Egypt girl's [ __ ] come from certain things you're not used to so making 70 grand a year what am I supposed to do what guys who I grew up with this [ __ ] would come to my studio I feel like yo who's going on GRU good but yo you know bees alone when you come like this the G I'm not gonna kill me listen to me this is the first time in my life I say dad so that's that's a that's a version of being too lawyer but he was just too loyal like what I mean was he couldn't see I'm not coming at you you I killed his mom no I'm not I just never seen nobody I'm begging you walk because a the loyalty was so crazy but at the same time I'm just like gee you know a seesaw pulls up and down it's abyss almost got evicted I have no idea we going for big stupid [ __ ] it's your face was nemesis gave me miss Biggs never told me no in my life I don't know my point was that there was hard sighs after Rockford intense music folder and then it was Thomas stressed up before that part way before that bass had a rules busines get mad now girl [ __ ] but he will make up gee whatever I do for you don't tell nobody beautiful beautiful [ __ ] on them but upon my base I'm saying it's a front so when I cuz I'd say [Laughter] alright are we gonna work our head but I don't know had the NPV may either be Beezus how definitely wasn't me it was like a Chevrolet I came later I'll go to the car and I'll go every day damn Tony meet with art district house and then he can't sleep I mean he's like wonder range home almost finish a career bum be glory of the only grapples you say [ __ ] rap normally had a big-ass house to calm music I feel like he's wrong I hate to beat Sydney for you YMS so we his money funny thank you is something decisive viola did the bottom is the fin you so much meet you Mitchell so not only what means the killer listen we went to Amsterdam to get heroin landed and still say let's go get some sell so that's not I wasn't at this point and then then like the case happened about two or three years later if he was saying being smiling but I'm not almost almost spoke to like three hundred people and I'm trying to explain to people Biggs is really a real smoke I ain't doing but this is this is my so I never actually asked you that so what happened with the case again again mom what's up I'm father I introduce to people who's a conspiracy and I chose not to tell that's the short [Music] guy I'm sure whatever you want me to do business from his brother's camp man big brother yeah Bobby love told me everything I know I came to streets he told me luck god bless his soul man I knew that was gonna happen I knew that was gonna happen Mitch there was someone funny I wasn't gonna happen not basically Oh what wasn't happening big time among people whatever heat wow they just knew that that was gonna happen big said give me that but your [ __ ] got big-time money so you have to wait for lawyers Biggs promote as much as can he said a little Winky [Laughter] everybody everybody please give me givin one second do one second this is this is my time so now it is the band out of questions the whole industry that I watched all your interviews and they never ask right when you were locked up right it was so many room with so many things and then you come home prior to coming home Dame had actually did like publicity run and he was quote on how you were mad at people he would like Biggs's mad at Kanye big he's manic Jay Biggs is manic dis he said yeah why you don't judge me would you be a let me keep at it so so Dame was just he was just running with this right what game actually said I seen the interview on sway he said Biggs is probably gonna be mad at me for saying this cuz that was coming from him but I see The Breakfast Club he didn't say that yes he fixed it okay it's sold why do you think Dame took that approach I'm not sure okay yeah damn is day you know so I don't feel no way about anybody it's I so they'll take it from you coming home you coming home did anybody act funny with you because of those statements oh no no no no because I think the first picture we ever seen to you when you came home was in Madison Square Garden correct wit Kanye probably yeah and then let me I'm fake media now how long for the Internet crazy [Music] so um yeah you could Songhai sudden sales crazy I'm ready so did you did you did you think did you know how powerful the internet was at that at that point yeah definitely you knew it yeah I wasn't in Siberia I was at Philadelphia or defense yeah good so that you come home you hit this backlash you hit you hit you hit what's happening and then the first thing is we hear you say you don't got nothing to do with it do with that and then you and Jane is it Fairfax the supreme block I figure with my own effects yeah I called the cement blocks frame so they see you and there's no ding - there yeah and then two days later they see me and a did they see you in there yeah actually you put that together mm oh yeah cuz you know I'm gonna be honest with you I've never said this and I hope damn is not bad at but I looked and I seen you I'm hold together now really hug you I told me that I think prior to that it wasn't ven right you know me you have I had it but I spoke don't I see them so right now pictures with ji pictures birthday and I appreciated this so much because it's just like when I see somebody who's what pun um and now obviously punish not here I always want to give him that same love that if plunder was here so when I see Rockefeller it's just I always think of y'all 3mi it's the same thing none change am i idiot for thinking that three oh it's a trifecta as all of us Rockefeller couldn't been Rockefeller without me J and day okay big time so now let me ask you tell mother others to this day bolter so now the reasonable doubt is that all but you day and J yeah yeah I'm that sorry [ __ ] I'm just break I was dead for that I knew happened that project sorry Oh curse me out I was there for every go down I was it whistle down the crew and all that not meeting up big they got drunk we just stood it we didn't wreck it after record after record our side but there's my brothers but not this slum I gotta say that man big goes all of us know Emery tanta and beats Hanukkah memory you know just it made me time big-time big-time yes sir big time yes sir we hung out every night Boilermakers with the dive bar nights in Amsterdam which even Boyd made us beer with shots of bourbon the tap wiping up the tab is 2600 carry a little penis so this is good nothing's wait Tata wanted to piss in spray Debbie I think we got you to spill man capitalize this green spills Gary and I love y'all if you get one to pull what happened it's not gonna drive home I'm good I love my job let's rock this [ __ ] Miami driver Joe to the W this is the weed laughs this is special man you know that's the word we do it say somethin in America with a bunch of [ __ ] money great one of the show I would like to teach yeah it's called rat class right meaning I spent probably like d-bags anybody from 1997 to 2007 2017 we - MIT summa [ __ ] llion dollars and liquor we still don't understand like people in the hood still don't understand good bottle red one that cost $600 so I wanted to teach rap class meaning you know where you say I want to spend less but you get this yeah like I see princeton about saying oh [ __ ] that um Steve Stoute if you see that that photograph or where Steve style was coming from Italy I'm saying and and they actually pulled Steve style over and he was sitting there and he had all these bottles and I had a you know I got white friends so I had the white friends who every bottle ready and every bottle that he had was like 3745 honey but it was [ __ ] that I never heard of and I'm like damn I want to drink that do you think we need rap class under percent 100 percent let's make some noise because that's well [ __ ] we spend money on like the but we don't understand will we actually buy it it's just like when hole said stop buying cristão he we didn't understand that he actually applies something for it to be replaceable what makes us great yeah but drink or something else besides the rock that's what I'm trying to say he's saying yeah that's what jay say when is bigs gonna smoke up like ill is it because you and your workout [ __ ] you just beat parole correct probation probation let's make some noise yeah okay so you beat probation and I'm beat it he finish probation so when is the big is coming you know this guy right here his name is Jordan he's he's the biggest weed growing in Rhode Island am i correct correct no cuz bigs buy your whole farm you ever like it's so what is bigs coming back home country I don't know you don't know right now I'm just you know I actually just drink wine myself that's it that's it yeah y'all remember at one point is to come to your crib I used to stop like three weeks after like before you go to see the P oh yeah and they use just to bake cookies [Laughter] [Laughter] sweet oh god I'm so different man's my boy well it's the first time I ever sold the volcano you know they got seven different things in smoking big cookie I miss bit you kind of miles like three four times a week I'm not gonna I think was four or five my first date with my wife it was like a pig's eye kiss up knee got a drum bass play I see you're gonna go to BIG's career after that make you feel like king of man look like a king how did we get back I'm gonna smoke that [ __ ] [ __ ] wheels lon don't you know engineer yeah okay [Music] good I only seem to do coke on FaceTime that's it 9 person how was it just you know um dealing with Rockefeller because a lot of people they think it was just Jane right they think it was Jay and that's it but you've dealt with what everything is a person that was inside yeah how was it dealing with like arts like PT crap artists like a freeway and you know I mean for me it was it was natural what they did there's people from the block that's what you know dealt with every day so probably all the execs we have problems with that for me it was just natural that's why they related to me that's where everybody gravitated towards me because I was just like them mmm that's the fact what did I tell you or what the biggest I guess you move deliver yo D I love you big I love you big face Gary I love you you can't write me way more than I can't [ __ ] yourself sloth there's your baby now no way bigger not will ever be my listen [ __ ] you up yeah and a picture and then we done thank y'all so much [Applause]

Channel: REVOLT

Views: 2,474,279

Keywords: REVOLT, TV, Biggs, kareem burke, roc a fella, jay z, reasonable doubt, roc nation, damon dash, def jam

Id: g4m-viVFLAg

Length: 167min 22sec (10042 seconds)

Published: Wed Jan 24 2018