Joshua Maponga on His Message for Africa & where He Stands with the Bible | PT 2

it's hard to be a black man working with black  people because apparently when you change your   focus and way of thinking people actually   think you don't even deserve to live you don't  deserve to make money you don't deserve respect   simply because you've changed the way you think  i'm not asking for too much i just i just want to   be i'm asking for being that's all and if there is  anything that we can do to each other it is not to   demonize each other because we cannot speak to  each other and how does god give us brains and   then at the end of the day it does not allow us  to use the same brains then what are they here for where do you stand with the bible  as the infallible word of god   it's a beautiful word such as  those that like the correct i follow you and i know the history i i always  say the bible as it is and the bible as it is   presented to us is not what it is supposed to be  i always make an example i talk about constantine   who who sat on a council whether naisha whatever  the council was they wrote the bible cannot they   edited the bible i make an example and and  i say i am your father is my pongal father   i write a love letter to you then i seal it i  send it to the postman the postman intercepts it   opens it looks at it takes away some lines  takes away some lines changes it here and there   close it again and then he writes love from your  father sends it it gets to you who wrote that   yeah that's a good question because then the  bible is the word of god or the bible contains   the word of god but the one who has interfered  with the text now has the intention with the text   the one who has edited the text they have the  intention that edition so you can know you can   you can no longer say you have received  a message from your father in its purity   but yes you have received a letter from your  father but it is now contributed so what if it   is now giving you wrong directions as to where as  to where your inheritance is because the one who   was killing the letter decided to move now how  would you find the slaves obey your masters all   these roman laws that are actually being kept and  kept in the text and they're supposed to be read   as bible verses no slaves obey your masters as you  obey jesus but that is what where we are we're now   how do we fix this this is where we are we are  with this book that has been edited we are told   that it is supposed to give us did you watch this  program called the weakest link i used to watch it   was the weakest link our weakest link right now  are our academic professional pastors ask me why   they've become the custodians of the rotten  system because now they're the beneficiaries on   top of the program they cannot change it because  their retirements are now included in those lies   so senior pastors right now cannot challenge the  same faith because that's what is paying them so   you reckon they are they are they are protecting  their 401k as americans call it they are they   are pension money how do you how do you how do  you destroy a system that is paying your bills   the first law of the table when  you're food in your mouth don't talk   but there are young people that are that are  rising up i'll specifically talk about adventism   there's a an an article that someone wrote he  was questioning the adventist approach or how   adventism interprets prophecy based on a guideline  that was written by uriah smith who whose approach   and outlook on everything was eurocentric how  they talk of a beast coming out of the earth   right an earth that is not inhabited but this  guy says but how can you say this earth which is   america has not inhabited when there have been  people that have been more than three million   indians were there three million yeah okay now you  now you now you oh over three million oh my god   i thought you were saying they were there for more  than three million years there were three million   yes existed so so there are people who are  rising up who are questioning these things   so at least there's some enlightenment and i  think to a certain extent i would like to think   that everyone would probably reach a point where  umapunga is if people begin to ask questions and   in them asking questions and not finding answers  then they will probably realize that no man   maybe maybe there's something else missing i'm  writing my own gospel i'm writing my own so you   said to us about this thing qatar lukon the word  qatar it means according to coming down through   sorrow okay so if you have jesus here or the  messiah here and then every disciple that is with   him decides to write the gospel each one of them  writes the gospel as they experienced the messiah   so let's use the bible as an example are you  writing a book or are you writing another   version of the bible where the bible according or  the gospel according to my poem i will start from   genesis to revelation or is it just a book of  joshua for example is matthew a bible is joined   a bible no it's a book in the bible the book  in the world so i'm writing my book okay which   will be included in the anarchs of history your  children when they read it they will understand   how far are you and what is informative done 117  chapters so far how what is informing it i wake up   in the night and i sit and i download information  and i write okay you download information   so now this would be maponga's book being  informed by other scholars or other writers   not necessarily maponga's experience is my is the  way i'm interacting with politics with economics   and the christian space and i sit around and  i apply my mind to issues and then i begin to   have an interaction with myself and i'm  downloading that content from my dna when can   we expect it to be published it's already i've  created a blog with it which is already flying   okay so every two three days you see i'm posting  a chapter there okay that's why i'm going so by   the day i die then when my kids will take that  thing to those books and bind them together   and then that would be a bible for the  next generation under farmers of thought   that blog okay where do you stand with the  with the bible i ask you this question is it   an infallible word of god where do you stand with  the bible maybe don't use the words that i'm using   but where do you stand with the bible maybe it's a  very beautiful question the real question must be   where does the bible stand with me no no no i'm  coming i'm coming please answer what i'm asking   where do i stand with the bible he's better as  the way do i stand in the bible where does the   bible stand with me because by saying so i  want to find the relevance of my life within   the text itself okay like you just put it right  now that will your eyes meet could interpret the   whole prophecy based on their own understanding  but as a theologian i'll assist you chapter 19   chapter 18 chapter 20 21 and 22 of the book of  isaiah talk about the slavery of the black people   being shipped to lands afar and there are women  being stripped and men working with bare buttocks   is there then you read all of it including data  from chapter 28. by the time you are finishing   chapter 20 21 of isaiah then there is a good news  fire for the redeemed of the lord shall return   they shall come back i will take you away  to your far land but i'll bring you back to   this land again and etc there's no other  nation that was moved in ships and boats into america into the caribbean into britain and  then the same bible actually goes on to say but   i'll bring you back to your land beautiful  prophecies but because of the eurocentric   christianity that does not see a black man in  the text these prophecies are never spoken about   we are told that jesus is coming again  how can jesus come back again before   repatriation and reparation if these promises  will not be fulfilled then the bible is alive   so is is the gospel according to my pong attaching  on those issues that actually what i've just   shared with you right now is chapter chapter  three chapter four yes who are the chosen nation   the gospel is linked to my understanding  my understanding is linked to christianity   no it's not linked to christianity the word  gospel actually good news is a military word   okay in the roman space when you go to  war and you fight when you win the battle   then one person is chosen to run back to the  village if you've watched those patterns with   the news that the battle has been watching that's  where marathon comes from okay that marathon that   41 kilometers it was actually running with  the news that women start preparing the food   and prepare for the festives for  the battle that we've been fighting   has been one so when christianity departures this  word and saying we have the gospel the question   i'm asking have we won the war on land have we won  the war on poverty what news do we have to take   back to the people that are in the communities  that we can say we have the gospel is your gospel   going to help us accomplish those fight poverty  this is not the only thing the contribution get   the lord the land it's a contribution i'm giving  you the software because if you don't control the   software between your two ears you can't control  the software between your legs and the software   underneath your feet therefore thinking becomes  critical and when a phase is beautiful as of   cosmetic beauty of a country and the software  which is the brain and power and leadership is   not working the resources underneath our feet will  always offer have you answered my question where   do you stand with the bible where does the bible  stand with me i don't know and i don't know also   i don't until i find myself in the text since i  was giving the book of isaiah until i find myself   in the text is what does god say about africa  you cannot tell me that the whole prophecies of   daniel and revelation has nothing to say about  africa it's about europe about america you are   the one that studied there you are you are the  one harassing me you are the one that read these   books you are the one that did theology when we  were asking these questions what we told you will   find the answers when you started your interview  very well the frustration you are experiencing now   that's my frustration that how do we now rewrite  the whole writings of of adventism for example   to rewire the entire prophecies so there you  have it a frustrated man with a lot of questions i'm i'm trying to think now you you can't carry on  with your frustration i wouldn't want to carry   on with the frustration is that frustration  what drove you to where you are right now   where you are is what i've seen from your  facebook posts where you don't want to be called   opi shop where you do not want to be addressed  as as where you do not want or you are advising   christians not to follow you let's touch on those  three points why are you leaving the title copy   shop i think you touched on it when we were  starting my journey my inquiry my questions   and my experiences which are now criss-crossing  between a barrage or multiple religious   expressions the christian community feels like  i'm bringing the church the body of christ   and with that understanding i thought  it was just polite that my growth   does not impair or impede the greater societal  frustration already with me being one of them   and being asking these questions it almost makes  me look like i've become the antichrist in the   midst of it but i cannot do an antichrist  to myself i owe it myself to grow so in that   reason in mind i thought i would park that  title and continue to live with the sirs and   the mediums and the misters those are titles  for british subjects and i refuse to become   a subject of an evil queen sitting somewhere in  london and i must be called say oh mister i'm   not mistering anybody i'm not saying anybody i  don't even have i've not been given that title   as i said remember you must be yes you must be  touched to be called a sir so the question is why   are people so happy you're sipping titles that  they don't even deserve so let's leave it and   by the way in as much as an old retired soldier  sits on his yard don't think that he can shoot empty your parents please don't be shooty you  don't want christians to follow you why because   is this this foolishness of follow jesus follow  me for why do you want to follow what what what   is this and abandoned by moses what about us  you preached to us we accepted you have just   left us in limbo i have a beautiful answer for  that a patient comes to a doctor and the doctor   heals you and then when the doctor retires  you ask what happened to my healing you're   healed what do you want let me retire you  sorted but if you call me back again to the   christian community you must know i have seen  that this store is good gangry gangry this store   is becoming cancerous i've been trying to cut this  stuff for the longest of time and i discover no   the people love their wound when i come back  i might have not only to cut off the toe i'm   not able to cut off the whole leg should we  still expect you to stand on a christian pulpit if those pulpits belong to people then i will  not if those proof is belong to the owner of   them i will who's the owner whoever christianity  professes to be god the omnipotent if you called   me into ministry then you can fire me but if he  called me then he's the one who can fire me so   the system has no jurisdiction over my function  and by the that separates the life of a prophet   and the pastor separates the life of a prophet and  the priest priests are finishers of the building   prophets are neither belonging to the political  system or to the religious space but at the end   they're always killed by the church i'm wrapping  up now and by the way on that there's no prophet   who ever ran a church in the bible so when  nobody when your pastor our prophet says he's   prophet saw and he's running a church you  and your friend solomon agree on that one   at least there's one place we're gonna agree  on but we disagree on many other issues i know   i saw a photo of you was it from yesterday  with uh pravin gordon i saw i know you've   been driving this movement for a while now  the zimbabwean something movement looks like   a political movement or looks like you could be  involved in politics uh you met praveen recently when you go they do interviews with jj who do  you expect to find in the corridors they're all   the owners so when i was in while we were at  it can i do a selfie mr gordon in the oblige did he ask you about his friends in  the judiciary what did you talk about   he was not previous to a long interview honestly  he was coming out of his interview i was going   on into my own interview and we bummed on the  corridors then are you both owners then because   he was there you were there and you say i was  doing some interviews with you i saw that other   products that were waiting but between me and  you he's a human being at the end of the day and i can take a picture of anyone i want i don't  owe anyone an explanation the movement yes the   indigenous movements involve indigenous movement  is gathering momentum towards the restoration of   the indigenity of the people of zimbabwe that  motto is simple we were once called the great   zimbabwe before even the great britain came  into space we used to be the great zimbabwe   i would want to go back and do a thorough research  to find out what is it that made us great then   are there any things that are in the past that we  can actually lend from into the present we used to   dig gold we used to sell processed gold when they  came they were not coming to dig they were coming   for a finished product so the whole issue of trade  and industry and etc has always been indigenous   and i feel that the present political system  seems to undermine and underplay the knowledge   the technology of the indigenous people which  is all inculcated in our cultural expression   and if we can go back there and find things we may  build z which means standing ba which is a house   which is stones so their homes can be  established then we can actually have a   nation that is standing founded on the rocks which  are the ministry very interesting history that   that baffled the europeans when they got here was  it a german guy that supposedly discovered the   great zimbabwe how do you discover my greatness  that's what i'm saying and by the way i've just   i discovered a country also somewhere in europe  there's a river there that flows in that country   they call it the themes i want to go and  call them i want to go and call the rivers   i want to go and discover london i want to go  and discover london do you think i pundit at all i want to see only discover the world immediately  okay i'm gonna throw three terms at you tell me   what comes to mind jesus christ a white boy blue  eyes the bible an edited version of the truth   investigative judgment 1844 theories of a  frustrated people anticipating heaven and   not willing to revise their issues to make  them relevant in the present environment   i'm i'm tempted to go forward and say ellen gold  hammond white some say she was black some say she   was white but an enemy of the adventist church  she was never loved by the church that's why   they threw in in australia while they organizing  the business called the seventh adventist church   when they brought her back they'd already sealed  that and they wanted to bless the organization but   illinois didn't hear on books discouraged the  church from being organized so the adventist   church as we have it right now is actually against  the spirit of prophecy which it claims to be the   basis of its own belief system so in one word  adventist church don't believe in illinois   the future future you're dealing with  time time can be present time can be   passed time can be future but in my space time  is vertical yesterday is never reached tomorrow   there's no transition we are in the  permanent present tense of participle   so there's no future the future is actually in the  past because the decisions we make in the present   are actually affecting the tomorrow  you're talking about and tomorrow is today   is there anything you'd want to add on this  conversation after this i'll ask you to say   a message to someone who not someone who  follows you but someone who admires you and what   you've doing and what you've done but now  is there anything else you want to add   the one thing i could say is it's hard to be  a black man working with black people because   apparently when you change your focus and way  of thinking people actually think you don't   even deserve to live you don't deserve to make  money you don't deserve respect simply because   you have changed the way you think i'm not  asking for too much i just i just want to be   i'm asking for being that's all and if  there's anything that we can do to each other   it is not to demonize each other because we  cannot speak to each other and how does god   give us brains and then at the end of the day  it does not allow us to use the same brains   then what are they here for if this whole thing  is about faith then let us all be stitches   let us all be this this is remote control people  let's bow as for prayer we will go hallelujah we   stand up and we go but as long as the there is  let us reason together there is room come now   bring what you have let us be in conversation  that's all i'm asking for that is africans   let's stop thinking that by doing white weddings  we're doing god a favor white wedding is western   white culture it is as cultural as an african  wedding so next time you go getting married   when they are paying cows just ask the  person to bring the signing certificate   and just do it once and for all so that is the  truth let's just stop practicing european culture   and we say this is christian christianity yes  something i observed from a person i used to know   met this person in a taxi they were reading  a bible that stuck with me like wow this is   impressive it didn't look like they were acting  it looked like they were really into what they   were doing i got to know the person find out  that um since way that accepted christ living   according to his word the person left south  africa worked on a cruise ship in the caribbean   so this ship used to travel across the globe  i got to talk to this person i think three   years into their journey working on a cruise  ship are you still in fire for god for christ   this is the answer they gave they said after  having traveled across the waters having been   to so many countries and seeing the fate and  the demise of black people throughout the world i'm not where i used to be it's an honest answer that's an honest answer  when you are under the table you can only see the   rubbish that is under the table when you stand on  the table you can see the room when you stand on   the roof you can see the yard when you finally  stand on the mountaintop the horizons always   expand and the closer you are to the one who  did the script the wider the horizons are maybe   this only time i can quote revelation chapter 4  that says come up here and when you are there in   the presence of omnipotence in the presence  of omniscience in the presence of knowledge   then the horizons become as wide as the  creation of the one who has invited you up there   then religion divides us spirituality unites  us nothing bothers me like the poverty i   say africa and how our people seem to have  lost all hope to get out of their situation   if i would ask you to try to motivate  abandoned how do we get ourselves out of   this spiritual poverty this material  poverty this intellectual poverty   so i mean i'm not claiming or even professor  professing to become any better than you guys   they're more intelligent guys out there  but empty empty those that you find water moves in an orderly fashion when it finds a  hole it will cover it first and move to the next   hall that's how water flows so when you've  meet people that are slightly knowledgeable   fill up and as you're sailing and moving down the  river now and you find small little people like   us also who are trying to make a contribution and  then you think that by chopping off my head you're   doing yourself a favor here's my motivation for  africa africa went to the shop and bought a packet   of apples half the first one the pole was rotten  throw it away worms pick up another one again half   second bite two the worms are still there  poop spit on the ground the intelligent   friend standing in the room then looks at this one  who has thrown away two apples says hey i'm fit   don't do that switch off the lights let's eat  the apples now that one man is intelligent because you don't the only problem we  have here is the abundance of light   that what is showing us the worms so if we can  switch off the light we can eat the apples and   even the worms become part of the protein how  do we as africans think that by switching off   the light of knowledge and information  continuing continuous eating of these rotten eggs healthy in my own thing guys we may  as well just switch on the lights   while we're eating when we notice what is rotten i think that's what we don't want we  don't want to switch on the lights   but would that be your message that's my message  for africa keep the lights on while you are eating   what you don't understand and knowledge knowledge  is expensive yes but if you think knowledge is   expensive try ignorance you may find that it  is equally more expensive the african people   the duties on us in this age of information  ignorance is a choice i thank you watching something nice with dinano ma  ponga j chi garam boku gana mashimba huda until we see you again don't do what i  would do if you decide to do it do it better

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Length: 26min 55sec (1615 seconds)

Published: Thu May 06 2021