Jordan Peterson Predicts The Death Of Mainstream Media

and and you can see and i see this so interesting too that the legacy media uh types are they're done they're so done it's and it's happened so fast i notice among young people that the legacy media the big magazines the newspapers the tv stations the radio stations for that matter all of whom had a monopoly on this kind of information flow are so dead to people under 30 that it's as if their death isn't even noticed and that's fascinating and yesterday i i interviewed richard trombley and richard tremblay is a is in his 80s and he's a scientist who studied male aggression a research scientist who studied male and female aggression for 40 years and he's won the criminologists equivalent of the nobel prize and the order of canada which is canada's knighthood for all intents and purposes hundreds of publications a very distinguished scientist and we had a two-hour conversation and i thought afterwards i thought you know i've only been able to have conversations like that in graduate seminars in the highest quality graduate seminars in the most elite universities now and then even though i was placed to have those conversations two hours on a single topic covered in as much depth as possible um by by someone who's a world authority and now i can have that conversation with people and 150 000 to a million people can have access to it instantly it's like i think god only knows what that is going to be the consequence of that so it's so fun to to play around with this and to experiment with it and and it's such a privilege to be able to do it and there's so much possibility in it so and i've also been trying to figure out what i'm doing with the podcasts themselves because that's really what i've been doing a lot of for the last four months and i listened to this i was interviewed by a wall street journalist last week and i asked him what he liked about podcast because he listened to them a lot and he said i really like to see where they're going and i thought yeah that's exactly it because in a legacy media interview everything is scripted and you're never talking to a person you're talking to the corporation essentially and i'm not being cynical about that it had to be that way because bandwidth was so expensive but now you can sit down with someone and you can risk exploration of course that's what joe rogan has been doing so well for so many years you can risk exploration you can have two people having a genuine discussion about a complex issue and so they're they're engaging in dialectical thinking and if they're good at it they're modeling it so they can model high quality dialectical thinking and pull people along on an exploratory journey and make it permanent and that's completely revolutionary that's never been possible before and and and the possibilities are um limitless and then sorry i'm going to rant about this a bit because i i am so continually staggered by this the next thing is you can take those conversations and you can chop them up into 30 second pieces of minute long pieces five minute long pieces 20 minute long pieces and each of those can find a specialized home that can attract millions of views and so it's as if you could write a book and sell it by the sentence it's it's really something so well so that's you know all response to red skull i suppose the interesting thing that i think i enjoy about podcasts and a lot of audiences do as well is that unscripted nature but it's not just the fact that the topics are unscripted it's the the cadence and the the timbre of the the tone of the way that the conversation flows as well if you struggle to work something out if you're battling at the forefront of your own cognitive capacity to try and get something from brain to mouth we get to hear i'm brought along and where it's almost like a football match or a sports game we're willing the person to get to the goal absolutely yep it is exactly like that it's a it it it it's it's your the analogy is directly appropriate that's why people like football and soccer games look those they the players are trying to put something into the goal well that's what you're doing when you're having a genuine dialogue you know it isn't necessarily clear what the goal is it's more implicit because you're starting to make that more and more clear too but but and and there is something engaging about participating in that apparently as a listener as well as a participant and i can tell perfectly well when a podcast discussion is going well and it's a dance right i mean there's there has to be this continual reciprocity and that requires you to attend very carefully to your guest and to listen i have some trouble with not interrupting because for a variety of reasons but some of that's the technological lag produced by the by zoom and skype it makes you a little less uh what the dance is a little more awkward because the timing is off but it's it's really fun when it works and it's working much of the time when i'm talking to my guests it's really exciting i have all sorts of people lined up i'm so excited about it yeah yeah long may continue i really do think that it's it's such an answer to so much bad media and bad thinking and it gives a platform to people who can't hide behind media training anything and script can't hide behind anything no there is no place to i don't think i think no there's no place to hide i think that if in two hours you reveal your hand and everyone can see it you reveal the weaknesses and strengths of your argument you reveal the weaknesses and strengths of your character you know but but in some sense you can even if your character is flawed like all of our characters are you know if you're engaged in something genuine and in a genuine move forward you're forgiven for that right it is if if you're if you're actively rectifying your evident flaws during the discussion people will forgive you for your flaws but youtube and podcast long form seems absolutely unforgiving of any falsity as far as i can tell i mean sometimes we do some editing there's two conditions under which we'll edit one is just to edit out some technical glitch we also allow our guests the option of not having something they said broadcast if they believe they've made a factual error or addressed an argument in a misleading way and that's a little bit more of a moral quagmire but our thought is that if we allow people that veto power to begin with they're much more likely to be loose and to take risks in the exploration and we've had to cut virtually nothing except i think two factual errors of a few seconds but it's so interesting because in the comments section if we ever edit anything there's skepticism right away and so and so that's another indication of how unforgiving the medium is with regards to falsity i'm trying to get politicians on my podcast i senator mike lee who's probably the most conservative senator in the united states i'm releasing a podcast with him this weekend and i think he acquitted himself well um and i'm hoping that i'm i'm i've been in contact with a large number of democrats and i'm hoping that they'll take the big leap because they can talk directly to their constituents they can talk directly to the people who they're responsible to with no intermediation of bureaucracy if they dare that's that's the thing because when it's unedited when it's a flowing conversation for a long amount of time the precipice on either side you are walking a tightrope as you said there is no opportunity to go away and check what you actually want to say and rewrite it in a script it is riding the crest of now constantly surfing the wave of the crest of now um i think it's going to find out who it's a genuineness test like a canary in the coal mine for how genuine someone is because there's no way that you can hold up a persona for two hours straight yeah well or or or maybe somewhat more forgiving than that it might be a canary test for how genuine they're they're attempting to move towards because like i said i think you can make mistakes but but but if if you're bargaining in good faith the audience will forgive you for your for your mistakes so but but you're punished brutally if you're false so and i don't know about you but i'm really attentive to the comments i watch how people are responding and you know if 10 people point out something i'm still working on this proclivity to interrupt but if 10 people point out something i try to address it my team tries to address it because well why not you know i mean you're probably doing something wrong at some point and enough people will tell you it's tricky but it's at least worth considering thank you very much for tuning in if you enjoyed that then press here for the full unedited episode and don't forget to subscribe makes me very happy peace you

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Id: 1Gp7xNnW5n8

Length: 9min 54sec (594 seconds)

Published: Fri Apr 16 2021

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[u/GrittyGent]

Of this, I welcome the end with open arms.