Jordan Peterson | Club Random with Bill Maher

love around random that is a nice looking suit thank you sir wow were you someplace before this well I'd like to think so I mean like some places no this is all for you really thank you I I feel even better you know three-piece suits in La you know they go together like this well I just got to tell you you look amazing well because I know you're at death's door there are yeah for a long time I'd I I've said this before I sent it to Matthew Perry because he was at death's door when he was on my show the other one and I said you know it's amazing that life it's so fragile it's so easy to die it's also kind of hard this is true it's also kind of hard to get you and you were close right oh yeah so what why what was I forgot what I don't know really you don't know really it was a bunch of things I think all at the same time I don't really know but what was the symptoms um I was in worse pain every moment during the morning and afternoons for two and a half years than I'd ever been for any moment in my whole life what kind of pain I don't know how would I describe it like all over yeah yeah well it was also it was also like cattle prod pain so I couldn't sit down like for there were months where I was walking 9 to 12 miles a day and what is the provenance of this pain we don't know well some of it had to do with some of it had to do with benzodiazepine um yeah although not very much and oh no well I got really sick I got really sick in 2017. in 2016 and I did I couldn't sleep at all people parted on that [ __ ] I know in this town yeah well you know if you do it if you do it now and then it's not so bad but no I I always had a low Keel so like any Downer I took just pass out I literally listened to this when I was living in New York when I was a young comic we took a quaalude Quaaludes remember Quaaludes and I passed how we got about two blocks from my apartment I passed out I remember it being over the hood of a camp party and they just dragged me my friend dragged me right back to the apartment and threw me on the bed and I woke up 14 hours later with the door open that's how bad my apartment was the drawers open for 14 hours and no one wanted to rob it that's sad that's sad you know that's embarrassing in New York so you were on okay but then okay but and I mean you just look great thank you sir you look better than ever you look like the [ __ ] Marlboro Man I mean you're like 10 rested and ready ready to go man yeah maybe but that suit I mean Jesus Christ you must feel like a million bucks to come back from that I'm pretty happy but well my wife almost died too at the same time so well maybe that's what caused your sickness it didn't help right and my daughter was also very sick at the same time I mean I believe rather deeply in the Mind Body Connection I mean I believe that among the uh parts of Western medicine that annoy me and then I believe in the future will look stupid is not countenancing not taking into account rather that element like if they can't read it on a blood sheet you know your blood panel and quantify it with a number it doesn't really exist in Western medicine and I don't think that's how we are you agree with that well there's a lot more to health than the what can be reduced to let's say the merely physical I mean it's complicated I I have a very stringent diet that seems to help me a lot and it helps me on the psychological front so you know unfortunately soul and body seem to be tied quite tightly together well so I'm at the soul I don't even know what the soul is but the body and the mind that's what's born in the wrong body bill [Laughter] everyone knows that but when your Canadian accent comes through it makes it a little funnier like I'm watching uh you know Mackenzie remember the Bob and Doug Bob oh yeah we were pretty fond of them wasn't that a great it wasn't SCTV it was quite something yes do you ever watch the Trailer Park Boys the what the Trailer Park Boys no watch out oh it's like SCTV on steroids really yeah watch it on uh uh who did it now showcase did it for a while subsidizing it which is like the funniest thing in the world it's about these like three reprehensible low-time low-key Crooks who live in a trailer park Nova Scotia oh yeah they're ridiculously funny try well that was the the funny part about the Bob and Doug is that it was mandated by the Canadian government yeah certain Bridge I'd like to subsidize everything a certain percentage of the programming had to have Canadian content so they were really sending that up they certainly were well it was it was Prime Canadian content yeah yeah I think it's awesome that that the person that you are I mean aside from who you actually are but a Canadian Professor became this great gadfly of the left of what I would call the stupid left not the real left which I hope there's some left um or rather remaining yeah yeah yeah um but of all the people Canadian you know I and I always think of Canadians as people who this they're so good at um they're part of America but they're also not you know they can be it but also look I feel like they look at us from a distance and that's why their satire is so great yeah and they're well there's plenty to make fun about Canada too so you know we like to do that but it is it's a terrible thing when Canada has become politically interesting you know the world is close to ending when that's the case well and sometimes politically stupid well yeah often I mean I read a quote from Justin Trudeau which was so dumb and I just which one what is he always done I I you know he always lies as far as I can tell all the time right yeah I don't think I've ever heard him say a word that I thought was true really okay I see we don't really follow it then I mean I just thought oh here's this you know great looking guy Ivanka seems to want to [ __ ] him and uh you know Canada I mean how how it's hard to [ __ ] up Canada but yeah I the quote I read was they asked him something about the protest because you had a big controversy about protests right with the truckers yeah right yeah and I think it was where he was referring to them but the quote was about protests in general it was something like we have a vibrant democracy here in Canada and we value protests but it was something like but when you use protests to protest um to or to object to the policies of the government I think you're going too far well what the [ __ ] is protest for except to object to the policy to the government and I thought it was quite shocking everything that happened in that protest because they ceased the bank accounts of 200 Canadians and that was not amusing and Trudeau has no idea what that did to Canada's International reputation that was not true precedent okay wait go back They seized the bank accounts of what people who were who were in The he sees some bank accounts of some people who only sent money to the protest like through give give send go and GoFundMe and so forth so oh I see yeah yeah so you didn't even have to be at the protest when you say Seas they froze it they didn't take they didn't take their money they just froze it so they just throws their credit cards they froze their mortgage payments they locked them out so they locked them out of the financial system that is creepy it's really bad in fact one of the banks actually apologized there's five big banks in Canada and uh one of them actually apologized for doing it eventually they all should have apologized but um but one did yeah it was really bad it was shocking I don't I don't Canadians aren't sufficiently shocked about it partly because they don't really understand what that did to Canada's International reputation but it was absolutely absolutely I can't imagine a politician doing anything more inappropriate than that right no trial no real investigation plus Trudeau claimed that uh the trucker Convoy was financed by Mega you know Republican Americans which is completely Preposterous because first of all why would Mega Republican Americans from foment dissent in Ottawa like even if they knew where it was which they don't and they don't care and why would they and so first of all it was the Russians you know it's like oh yes that's the Russian's primary concern and then it was like literally Mega Republican American Funding the trucker protests in Ottawa you know it was so it was so and they were and they were protesting Mac vaccine mandates yeah essentially but they they were protesting the lockdowns more broadly I would say yeah and because it was really hard on them it was Hardwell obviously yeah you were locked down you know how fun that was uh we did Real Time right from this room for about six months I did the monologue standing over there and I mean I did the editorials on the law and I mean it was so silly I still think it's silly we I look back and I think it's even more ridiculous as I learned that so many of the things that I was saying that people were kind of like scoffing at well now I read a report like yes using hand sanitizer all the time on your hand is very bad for you because you're bathing yourself in antibiotics which does seep into your skin you wouldn't Live you wouldn't want you would never choose to live on antibiotics right things like that um keeping children massive that was really bad I mean what it's done to the both mentally and physically yes and that sort of thing always hurts people the poor kids worse right because anytime you intervene in a manner that's going to interfere with educational attainment it's the people who are barely skating by to begin with who are going to get wall from it and that's certainly the data certainly revealed that that's been the case so I remember being in Chicago I believe it was during the maybe was 21 yeah we weren't working at all in 20. Okay so uh and I remember the I was talking to the driver taking me in from the airport and he was he had a mask on and my friend who travels with me and we always would tell drivers everywhere or anybody you don't have to have the message you know like if you want to break in the day where you don't have to be breeding your own stale shitty air for no reason um we'll open the windows to the car whatever we and this guy said uh he said I know I'd like to he said but my four-year-old daughter I came in last night and I never the mask on and she freaked out so they they hit I just it always stuck with me they'd gotten a four-year-old to be panicked when she saw her father without a mask yeah right I mean what is that where does that feel and fall in your psychology Professor world I mean what does that do to a person what's that person would be like when there's also it was also what it did to everyone and what it revealed about everyone like my sense in Canada Toronto was locked down very badly and people were pretty much on board with it and my sense in in Toronto was that 70 percent of torontonians would have worn a mask for the rest of their life without making a peep about it and 30 percent of them would have been happy about it because it gave them an opportunity to inform on their neighbors and that wasn't cute yeah yeah yeah yeah well you know in East Germany you're like one-third of people were government informers and you think well that couldn't happen here it's like yeah it could be about 15 minutes yes the stassi payroll did you ever see the movie the lives of others the German it won the best Oscars for best foreign language yeah there's a fun Society one of the best movies I mean if you're looking for something with subtitles I would recommend that one highly people the the lives of others and it was about yes what went on and under communist East Germany and yeah somebody he was he was a playwright and he was playing ball with the regime he was kind of on the you know a line he was able to be an artist but obviously he wasn't and what they did with the bugging and the oh my God it was how how humans can get themselves into those kind of societies and I suppose we could you do it by lying you know I mean people think that tyranny is a top down is the top town in top down in position of force on people who would otherwise want to be free and that's just not true that isn't how it works at all a totalitarian state occurs when everyone lies about absolutely everything all the time and the totalitarian stage is the grip of the LIE now the politicians and the people who have power in those situations they lie too but so does everyone else you know there's a story it's an interesting I've been writing a new book it's coming out in February it's called we who wrestle with God and I've been writing about Sodom and Gomorrah and the threat of the destruction of the city and so the idea is that if if a city deviates from the appropriate moral path to blatantly then all hell will break loose of course that begs the question of what constitutes the appropriate moral pathway but um Abraham intercedes with God on behalf of Sodom and Gomorrah and he says first of all that if there are 40 people he says well you can't destroy the city when he's talking to God you can't destroy the city there's some good people there and God says yeah well I don't think there's very many and and and Abraham says well what if there's 40 and God says well if you can find 40 decent people then we'll leave the city alone and Abraham Bargains and Bargains and I think he Bargains them down to 10. and which is quite good you know because you know God's willing to give in but but it means something very specific as far as I'm concerned it means something like if if in a political unit there's still 10 people who are willing to tell the truth then all hell will not break loose that's enough 10 people who actually tell the truth is enough to Stave off the dissent into totalitarian chaos that's why comedians are so bloody important right because they can they do say what's true and you can tell it's true and you can tell that people believe it's true because people laugh and you can't you can't really fake that it's genuine well then you are an honorary comedian because you do it yeah but people you do it without me with me no no no well yes you're not a comedian but you are Canadian so you're halfway there well right yes yes but you are no you don't you do not give and and it's and again this is what I was trying to say before about you being a Canadian Professor it's like so delicious that you're the thumb in their eye because it's so much harder to argue with somebody like that because it's the person that they think that should be on our side Canadian academic I know how much more milk toast can you possibly get than a Canadians but but liberal and erudite and sophisticated and all the things we want to think we are and yet he's not getting on the crazy train with this and and come on the crazy train is leaving the station hey so I could ask you a question that I've I've asked like 40 Democrat senators and congressmen and Robert F Kennedy by the way recently this question it's a very hard question and I don't ask it just you know to cause trouble I'm actually curious I am ready when do you think the left goes too far may I use my lifeline yeah absolutely absolutely call the people who know who know okay um what I mean you mean they haven't already well but how do you know when Trump gets reelected that's when you know what would you regard as behavior on the left that's unacceptable from the perspective of someone who's essentially liberal how long have you gone I mean the theme I've been trying to promulgate as much as I can the last five years partly just in self-defense of people who say say I've changed I have not is that wokeness is not something that expands on liberalism it's something that undoes it and I think you are on the same page generally I mean to give a few examples color blindness wanting to have a colorblind Society where we don't see race was is classic liberalism certainly what Obama was uh going for that's not woke is mochism is racist front and center to everything um yeah so that's part of that that so that to me that's an extension of the insistence that someone's primary identity is is is Sanctified by their group right whatever which again which is exactly what old school liberals were fighting against don't characterize Somebody by that okay so they completely inverted and then they get mad at us for somehow we're conservative no no we're not conservatives you're just not what Liberals are you're doing a different thing which is fine we're allowed to do our thing but you can't do this whole different thing and then take the term that used to apply but doesn't apply anymore I mean there's many colleges that have segregated dorms okay again you do congratulations sir yes you do you but this is not liberalism okay um and certainly in the realm of gender I mean that's I I mean liberalism is always about tolerance for what's celebrate and allow everyone to be protected and respected for who they are that includes homosexuality that includes trans which of course is a real thing that happens that's different than rewriting the anatomy book from page one so that every kid who comes out it's a jump ball and there's no such thing as sex it's only gender and again this is something different it's not liberalism so you can't say oh you don't believe in that you're not a liberal freedom of speech used to be a whole liberal thing we used to own the First Amendment like the conservatives owned the second that's reversed I mean something like the homeless uh it was liberals who I used to do the show on HBO uh comic relief we're going to help get the homeless off the street now it's how dare you ask them to get off the street so you can keep the homeless on the street and you can have you know segregated dorms and well but that's liberalism it's not it's something different so there's a line of research that's been developing I guess over the last six or seven years that I think is very relevant to this and because I've I've been thinking more and more thoroughly that the culture war is actually not a political battle at all that the political battle is a facade for the actual battle so which is well there's a group of researchers most of them centered originally at the University of British Columbia who started studying the subclinical manifestations of psychopathy so there's a guy there named Robert hair and Robert hair was the first psychologist who really studied Psychopaths and he developed a checklist for Psychopathic Behavior and the diagnostic criteria it never became a formal diagnostic criteria but criminologists have used it a lot and if you're Psychopathic you're much more likely for example to be a repeat offender and so he delineated the core Psychopathic traits and there's two sets of core Psychopathic traits so the first core Dimension is something like predation it's like if I'm a psychopath whatever's yours is rightfully mine and if you can't defend yourself against me taking it that's just an indication of the kind of weakness that makes you a viable moral Target right you're too weak to resist you're to what would you call it you're too uh contemptible to even to even bother with so not only can I take your stuff but morally I'm obligated to you you say this very convincingly I know you're adopting the voice of them but I'm just saying yeah yeah yeah yeah you could play this part beautifully yeah well well yeah well I've watched people like that a fair bit and this the second dimension is parasitism and so that's a more subtle form of predation and someone with a parasitical lifestyle will adjust their attitude towards you so that they can they can so that you'll do the work and support them and they'll do that however they can get you to do it they'll use the sense of uh like the proclamation of victimization for example is one of the strategies that the parasitical Psychopaths use like the stripper's boyfriend who doesn't have a job yeah right right right right right right or we come from different schools of thought yeah okay let me ask a dumb Layman question before we finish this yeah I would love to know and I'm sure I was told the difference between sociopath and psychopath it's it's not really a relevant distinction really yeah yeah it's not really a relevant distance okay okay so predation and parasite right right so a psychopath is a predatory parasite and it's not and that means they're very very low in agreeableness no empathy tend to be careless that's the personality manifestation in a very unconscientious they they will not formulate or keep verbal contracts like who are some people who fit this description uh Ted Bundy oh I was hoping for more well let me put it another way who are some people running for president now well that you know that's an open question right so so that that brings us to the next part of this so Robert Harris students a variety of them started to study psychopathy in its more normal forms right because you can imagine you're so Psychopathic that you end up like fully criminal and then you're in prison but that not everybody who has Psychopathic proclivities is going to be foolish enough to be criminal enough to be caught let's say right so there's other things that make you get caught if you're a criminal so they studied started to study subclinical psychopathy and built a personality inventory to measure subclinical Psychopathic traits and so the traits are Psychopathic so predatory parasite Machiavellian so like a Machiavellian individual in preparing for an interview like this would be thinking okay well now I'm going to go on Bill's show um what can I get out of it you know how can I elevate my status what could I use to sell like and then every word would be crafted to extract well every word would be used to extract out something that was only self-serving right you know that if this if your dialogue with someone goes well what happens is you fall into an honest conversation no it's just because you have no I mean I have no agenda and I have no idea where we're going to go right my my agenda is to have as close to what this would be if we were not making this into a podcast and it would be no different I would have I I can honestly say I don't think that one thing I would have done differently and it should feel that way and I wanted to feel that way yeah um and that works that really works well on YouTube it's what people want because they're they're actually tired of overproduced instrumental conversations yeah okay so but a Machiavellian would be manipulating the conversation constantly to get an edge to get an angle and so they they don't use the immaculate Valiant doesn't use their words to represent what they believe to be true they use their words to obtain whatever they're angling for from the person they're talking to and so that happens on the sexual front for example very often so people who are hyper committed to short-term mating strategies tend to use instrumental language right they're manipulative so psycho Psychopathic Machiavellian narcissistic so someone who's narcissistic wants unearned social status right and the last one they had to add this the these this Triad was first called the dark Triad and then they had to add sadism because it turns out if you're all three of those things you also take positive Delight in the suffering of other people and there's a very high correlation between the dark tetrad personality traits and left-wing authoritarianism so so that's why I think it's not fundamentally political is that what's happening is that there's a small minority of people who are very manipulative who use compassion as a camouflage and then people who are generally and genuinely uh compassionate they can be manipulated easily and so and that's not that's why you're seeing that's part of the reason you're seeing this deviation deviation from more Classical liberalism there's no better camouflage for someone who's truly dark than compassion right right right wow that is some interesting [ __ ] yeah it's it's very it's brutal and there and the data is accumulate Well it's worse than that too it it's actually really quite it's really quite frightens me because three percent of the population has these traits basically and that's stable cross-culturally and what seems to happen is if it falls to one percent everybody forgets that people like that exist and so then when they pop up they can be successful but if it gets up to about five percent then everybody thinks oh oh the psychopaths are here and they start beating them back and so they stabilize around three percent right any more than that presents a positive danger to the Integrity of the state itself now I think we enable the Psychopaths online because I think that online Communications defenses yeah well there's there's accruing literature on that on that front too because the online troll types who do nothing but cause trouble online and have these personality traits and what what's going to happen if it tips past the three percent to five percent or ten well that's what happened in the Russian Revolution like what happens if it if if those people get the upper hand they like to dance in the runes man right you bet and and they're out for they're out for Mayhem right and yeah and they're drunk on the on the elixir of Revolution well they're not going to be successful pursuing their manipulations in a society that's actually predicated on work so they want to flip things upside down because they can rape the runes that's a good way of thinking about it right yeah yeah it's very it's very bad and I really am concerned that no see because we virtualized communication right and that means that there's certain defenses that we have against being uh being exploited that are no longer making themselves manifest so you can say anything you want online and nothing especially if you're anonymous and nothing will happen to you and you can bring any kind of accusation against anyone at zero cost to yourself right and that's not good like it might be it might be like fatally not good because something is driving polarizing you know 80 percent Americans agree on most political issues with about an 80 overlap right but we're getting polarized it's like well what the hell changed well how about the entire mode how about all of our modes of communication right they've radically changed and they certainly enable reputation savaging gossiping cancellation all of that way easier online not just a difference in a degree a difference in kind yeah yeah different absolutely I've had this argument with people on my show say oh you know that's what they said when radio came in and TV it's like in computers no it's different it really is different because um there wasn't this addictive quality to it it's a difference in kind it's uh the cell phone is more like a pacemaker than a television set I was able to turn off the television set even though I liked I Dream of Jeannie and Bonanza and whatever I could have watched it but it I wasn't addicted to it and they're addicted to it and you're right it has changed the wiring as someone said about another thing where we're building the plane as we're flying it especially with kids yeah um but yeah and we're doing very strange things on the sexual front too oh very so I think 35 internet yeah well exactly exactly and in Hollywood in general um 35 of internet traffic is pornographic and you know that's that's a lot about 42 in my house but I I take your point um well of course it's so funny women like to say that they're morally Superior to men and in many ways they are but I never understood why uh being more interested in shopping than pornography made you morally Superior because if you look at what most women go to on the Internet it's shopping sites and Mo and what women women like verbal pornography well that's their it's true it's true meaning they look so dirty there's there's a typical no no pornographic stories but not visual like men are pornographic visually women are pornographic semantically there's a big literature on this right well but what is it okay well there's a classic story it's the story of every Harlequin romance and there are there are pornographic Harlequin romances yeah well that's that's part of it it's it's uh 50 Shades of Gray right oh yeah biggest selling novel ever ever right okay so and I believe directed by a woman uh written by a woman and certainly enjoyed by women yes right at the height of me too by the way yes well you may the first one made oh me too yes correct yeah yeah so that was very interesting okay so here's the plot it's Beauty and the Beast so the the Google Engineers figured this out because they looked at Integra they looked at in billions of internet searches for pornographic material from women and they analyzed The Narrative really yeah yeah how do you know that there's a book called a billion Wicked thoughts that the Google Engineers wrote oh yeah and Google engineers make great psychologists because they're too too stupid to be politically correct so they just tell you what's actually true and they don't even know that there's something wrong with it it's like this is just what happened because they're Engineers right they're nerds yeah yeah so they just think oh this is this is what the data shows you've got a problem with that how would anyone have a problem with that because they're Engineers right so okay so there's five males categories that are hyper attractive on the pornographic front to women vampires werewolves Pirates surgeons and billionaires oh hey that's right that's right man so you know I can't help this this is this is just how it is and so so if you were a billionaire pirate with a medical degree you could truck and kill it you'd be you'd be like you yeah yeah yeah yeah well you'd be slaying it yeah absolutely okay so now the next part of it is a lot of the build up is foreplay so what happens is that the billionaire pirate werewolf vampire right finds this girl who has kind of a secret Beauty right and they have a very fractious a secret Beauty yes yeah well you know it's like a Hollywood library well I mean that she's she's not beautiful with it right because that covers anybody who's reading it to thinking who's not very attractive they could think oh well I have a secret exactly exactly it weighs a ton but it's secret okay now they have a fractious relationship right because he's attractive to all sorts of other women and there's quite a bit of tension and fighting but eventually she tames him with her right secret Beauty and then that's when that that's when the wild sex starts not just her secret Beauty but her awesome personality because well so that's the female pornographic pattern by the way yeah yeah and it's it's true I come on not as many women read Harlequin romances as men view pornography all men look at pornography I don't think all women do that I think women are a little more um I don't I don't know I don't know I would know how to quantify the comparison exactly but believe me there's there's well 50 Shades of Gray is a great example yes you know like no no no no no women I mean look women are in a bind now because like the the politics tells them to say one thing especially about sex we're definitely going to get in trouble here you know I don't care if either one of us cared would we be this far along all you gotta do what you have to do is lean in I mean that's what we both do it's like no I'm going to trust that there are this certain percentage hopefully more than the three percent psycho yeah hopefully who 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like I liked it's this old [ __ ] about the the that's why the fantasy is this they want to be they want a guy there's a fine line that a gentleman knows how to pull off between not being scary or rapey or over the line but having a pair of balls and just not being a woman at all being yes it's it's a domination and also not being a narcissistic psychopath right so you see that really well laid out in Disney's Beauty and the Beast yeah because there's Gaston he's like Trudeau he's like Justin Trudeau except more muscular and no definitely and you know beauty is relatively uh what she's she's she's clued in she's intelligent and she prefers the guy who's like the actual Beast because he's honest and tameable and that like the female pornographic literary structure is identical to Beauty and the Beast it's the same story so in the Beauty and the Beast she has another choice for a lover yeah the Beast no but another thing oh yeah no was there another guy who was a more that guest stone is not the Beast no Gaston is the guy who is trying to entice Beauty who ends up trying to kill the beast but the Beast kills a regular looking guy he's no he's extremely handsome and like the Dopey girls in in the village where he loves him he's like he's very narcissistic and yes yeah so he's the fake he's a fake yeah but he's like you know niedermeyer in Animal House right I mean there's always there's always has to be that stiff good-looking guy in the college movie who the girl you know he thinks he can easily get the girl because he's the good looking captain of the football yeah yeah yeah that's that okay and then the subversive dude winds up getting her at in the end because that's our fantasy right right right that's the fantasy of creative mirror life Gaston gets the girl nine out of ten times I mean when I get what come on uh She's a Beauty we're Comedians and professors we're not we're not in that League bro yeah yeah well at least we do better than Engineers no exactly those [ __ ] nerds now listen not that this stuff isn't important and it's certainly not all about me but I got one really important question I gotta ask you from about 10 minutes ago um you mentioned these five areas and I feel like I'm clear on four of the five if I am not a past I'm not a parasite I'm not a predator I'm not a um Machiavellian that's the one I'm a little iffy on let's go back what are the other two The Narcissist I'm not that sadist no okay well good so say this part that's very good question you're the doc I mean can I I can still I'm I do have Machiavellian qualities uh here I'll put it this way the difference between me and my father my father would always just do the right thing yeah me I think about doing the wrong thing yeah but then I don't because I was raised by my father right right right but I felt like with him it's the natural thing and me I will always go no you know I and I don't but well you know the things okay it's a little Machiavelli well yeah look first of all I'm not sorry about people who are in media and and any branch of entertainment any branch of public life journalism politicians the sin so to speak that they're going to be more tempted towards are the sins on the narcissistic side of the equation right right because and there's a reason for that and the reason is they're going to be extroverted so they want they want they're talkative they're assertive they want uh they want to be in the Limelight and they're and the comedians also have to go around them they have to be disagreeable because if you're not disagreeable you can't be a comedian I mean bill look at Bill Burr I mean everything he says is like ornery as hell right and it's funny and and almost all comedy is transgressive and you have to be kind of rude to be transgressive and so you're low in agreeableness and then you're very high in openness which is the creativity Dimension so of course all manner of crazy ideas are going to enter your head right because that's part of that's part of the issue of being creative you don't know the half of it yeah yeah well you know I might know it better than you think you might yeah yes yeah I can't tell you how great it is to have you back well thank you honestly there was a lot of people who when you were down and out were very sad that like oh man that is one guy on the team and our team is not that big yeah that we cannot afford to lose you know so to have you come back and be so on it and looking good and and funny and you know Brave as always man that is and you got lots of [ __ ] coming up right don't you have a debt what do you have dude let's do our plugs okay I will be we're not done by even a little this is but plugs that I always forget August 19th Evans Auditorium Charlotte North Carolina August 20th at the Township in Columbia South Carolina September 1st at the Moody Theater in Austin Texas September 2nd test Texas Trust CU Theater in Grand Prairie Texas there's nothing wrong with making a little money and having people laugh and I mean you know Marion Williamson was just here and yeah I love her but uh you know we definitely have a I actually think that's from last year no no I'm dead serious yeah yeah no no I've been reading this all week no I might not even know my own schedule it's possible no that's me that's okay oh sorry sorry I thought you were plugging me this is about you that's his dad you're right sure no let's do I think that's hysterical you thought they were yours yeah I know Jesus that's what happened imagine how people talk how disappointed he's plugging who here how disappointed people would be if I showed up and they thought it was you they would be like oh my God okay so um what are your dates all right well what have I got coming up I'm doing a European tour at the European Europe and the Middle East in early October Middle East yeah I'm going to the United Arab Emirates UAE you bet you bet it turns out I have a lot of Muslim followers great followers isn't the right word no uh viewers listeners and readers that's right that's fantastic I'm very much looking forward to it yes I haven't been I haven't been I've been to Israel that's the only part of the Middle East I've been to so far yeah and so yes I'm very excited about that and um I've actually done a number of podcasts with Muslim thinkers of various Stripes ranging from you know real apostate types like ion herzia lead to people who are you know Muslim traditionalists and that's been extremely interesting and um one of the things that's really been positive about that I got to tell you that even talking to them the more traditionalist Muslim types is first of all those podcasts attracted very large audiences like multiple millions of people and the the fundamental comment like because I read I read a lot of comments about my YouTube podcast the most common podcast by far were expressions of relief on the part of Muslims that they were part of the conversation right so that was really really heartening there must be such a hunger and a earthquake waiting to happen in the uh Islamic world for you know I mean look I've taken my lumps especially after 9 11 talking I think honestly about the problem the same thing Sam Harris has identified so beautifully that there is a unique problem with the religion whatever religion it is at any time in history that is the most fundamentalist and at this time in our history that is Islam well it might be might be woke liberalism hey man it's a it's a talk no well that is a religion too yes yeah but you know it also might be which religion is being gamed most effectively at any given moment by the Psychopaths right but if I draw a mean cartoon of AOC I'm not going to get killed yeah but if I draw the wrong cartoon and the other religion I will yes that's that's not a good thing so I'm gonna like make that important to me like which one could really kill me um but things I I really feel like things have changed a lot I haven't talked to have this issue in a long time they have changed because you know terrorism hasn't really been in the headlines and yeah well the Abraham Accords were a big step forward too man they were a big step forward and I and things change you know um I thought it was this amused me there was a I think you know must be in Minnesota I think where there's a large Muslim population I forget the city but they the Liberals they were very proud of themselves that they elected a majority Muslim School Board which then during pride month refused to do the prize yeah yeah yeah yeah they were like oh and that's always the conundrum liberals have found themselves in which I always ridiculed and of course they hated me for it that how can you be liberal and and because they're a minority or a different religion or their skin is brown support them in the most illiberal actions you know just the way the women with the really we're putting a [ __ ] tarp over a woman's head and and this is not like job one on your woke agenda would be to get the [ __ ] it's like what they put on a prisoner you know when we're kidnapping you that's not job one to get that off every woman's head in the world that would be mine if I like was like okay welcome to the meaning of liberals and booksters and we gotta we have we are the social justice Warriors and we must establish social justice wherever it's being violated that would be very high on my meeting agenda right you'd go for the countries where I would go for that specific Act I mean if there was a country where say it was black and white people and they were making the black people wear the Shroud on the head would what would would we just be like I see that's how you do things okay great you do you that's what liberalism is everyone our cultures are different yeah well it's it's very very hard to get the balance between discrimination in the positive sense right discriminating between what isn't appropriate and what is and uh it's what is it's Justice and mercy it's the balance between Justice and mercy between discrimination and tolerance it means it's hard with your kids right because obviously you love your kids but it's like no not everything you do is okay right right and so right because that's not good right that turns you into a real monster as a parent everything you do is okay dear it's like really everything mom you mean everything if you ask me what the absolute source of the mess we're in is now I would say it is that kind of parenting seriously because I think what happened was parents told their kids uh in this century and I guess starting in the 90s I guess it got worse every decade they said my generation was a little too self-involved and it just got worse but they indulged the kids so much and blew smoke up their ass and told them that they were little Geniuses and didn't challenge them on anything and treated them like peers even though they were two feet tall when they walked in the room like when I walked in the room when I was a kid like you couldn't just invite yourself into the adult conversation as you should not have been able to you were a child that's not how they get they do it today so the kid grows up thinking that even though he's a child with the kind of stupid thoughts that are on a child's head that they're valid and then those thoughts become like what the that generation that then starts running the media uh outlets and so forth puts out there so I read headlines in actual esteemed uh magazines and newspapers like um the one I read about uh women it was in the Atlantic I think the name of the article was um separating Sports by sex doesn't make sense it does of course they actually wrote the line it was something like um keeping the binary in sports reinforces the idea that men are bigger and stronger and faster than women that's not an idea you see what I mean about like this is insanity but it was said by some kid who's young enough to think it's true or just wanted to be true and no adult ever said I know that's just crazy so I've been trying to figure out why this has happened you know and of you it you can generically attribute it to a kind of moral Decay but that's not very precise and so there's a bunch of things that have happened in the last 60 years that I think have contributed to this and some of them are very complex so one of them is parents are a lot older than they used to be right they have many many fewer children yes right and so that's a really interesting one because that means that comparatively speaking each child is hyper valued and obviously there's some utility in that but there's some real danger in it too children don't have a lot of siblings the thing about siblings is they take the narcissism out of you because the siblings compete like mad for attention and if you're if you're like center of the universe among your brothers and sisters they're not going to be very happy about that right right so like in parents now or as old as Grandparents were historically yeah right so so those are radical shifts and there's another thing that I've noticed too is that there's because the separation between the generations now is longer in terms of years by double there's also a real uh there's real impediments to the intergenerational transmission of knowledge about parenting like I was just working with my son the other day with a little bit of a discipline problem he was having with his uh 14 month old who was getting pretty bossy and uh my son doesn't take a lot of nonsense he's he's not a pushover but he didn't know what to do and I suggested to him what to do I told him what to do but he couldn't do it I went there with him and showed him how to do it and then he could do it but he couldn't do it by being told and who are you doing with the kid um well when she got squawky and and demanding I I just put her in the crib so I see squawk until you're done and then you can come out again and as soon as you're peaceful you can come out I see you know because and even at that age oh absolutely they get that nine months really nine months oh yes absolutely no it depends on the kid like right not all kids are going to be are going to be like that right the kids that are more extroverted and disagreeable are going to be like that but even before they can talk they can think well well obviously they're yes yes they they don't first of all they're understanding that you're making a demand of them oh well and and kids are going to use whatever uh what whatever tools they have at hand they're so amazing attention yes they're Machiavellian yes they are they are and then some kids are more Machiavellian than others and there can be there can be real advantages in that too like right like a kid who isn't a pushover can be socialized with extreme Precision right because they're pushing they're checking out to see where the boundaries are and so they can really learn to be socially sophisticated but they're also a handful so you know there's you don't get a benefit without a cost anyways it was interesting to watch because even though he's not a pushover it he couldn't figure out exactly what to do without having it acted out and so now we're extending the the gap between generations and so I think we've interfered with the intergenerational Trans transmission of parenting knowledge it's not that easy to know when to put a disciplinary boundary on a child you know it's a very complicated thing to do and it's hard on mothers in particular because up till the age of about nine months whenever your child manifests any sign of distress your job as a mother is to assume the child is 100 correct and fix the distress but at some point there's a transition because a lot of the distress now becomes anger and it can become manipulative anger and so now you have to step back and you have to think well now kid everything that you're bitching about You Can't Get Right but it's really hard for mothers to make that transition because they've had to care for this creature for like nine months and do exactly what they were bidden to do immediately and all of that was appropriate and so there's there's a complex shift that has to take place and it isn't obvious to me that people can do that alone so there's lots of factors that have led to this then there's another one you tell me what you think about this this is actually one of the flaws I think of liberalism per se so like I I've thought of myself I think for my whole life as a classic liberal but I've started to understand the limitations of the liberal philosophy on a broader scale and you you tell me what you think about this so and and it centers on issues of identity and I think clinical psychologists and psychiatrists have also been um have also been part and parcel of this relatively pathological Transformations like everyone should be free as free as they can possibly be it's like yes but that only works that that set of principles only works in a society that's bounded by nested relationships so let's think about what what how you might be if you were functioning optimally I'd say well my psyche would be arranged properly it's all subjective right my mental health my subjective mental health is Tip Top and Paramount and that's within me what's nested well okay here's how here's what you have to have to be saying as far as I can tell like it's pretty hard to be saying unless you have some continuous direct relatively intimate relationships because you're going to have parts of you that are going to go astray and unless you have someone around to whack you on a regular basis you're going to degenerate there all right so you need let's say you need it an intimate relationship to keep you bounded both of you right because I think you take the typical man and woman and you put them together they sort of approximate one sane person really yeah yeah and that and that it's in that interaction that the sanity emerges it's not inside it's in the interaction and then your friends bind you right because if you're boring they don't listen to you and if you're annoying they turn away from you and like you're getting social cues all the time about where you're drifting right and so you have your friends that keep you in line you have your extended family and like to interrupt but that that's why Stars yes that's right becomes self-destructive because the friends are really all become Hangers On who want to Curry favor and never tell them the truth right well then what happens then the then whatever insanity is there multiplies you die straining on the toilet yeah right happens right right right right okay so okay so you see that isn't really how we conceptualize mental health now we think of it as something that's within but where you said relationship friends friends family extended family yeah but then there's more there's there's Community well there's the political organizations around you there's your business relationships like you're nested in a hierarchy of social relationships and if you can take those for granted then you can say like the English liberals did when they established liberalism then you can be free yeah but you have to be nested in all those relationships before that freedom doesn't just make you drift into some insane Direction and now we've got this situation where we tell young people well you can be whatever you want to be it's like you mean whatever well no but seriously right because if you can if you're a girl and you can be a boy you can be whatever you want to be when I was a kid and we said uh to a kid what do you want to be when you grow up we meant like firemen right we didn't mean like girls we also didn't mean drag queen no and there's something wrong with a drag queen but why in a club at night in New York exactly why that's a hill the Democrats want to die on I have no idea all I can say is that's what happens when there's this institutional capture of what I don't think most Democrats most liberals are in League with what the far left is saying they just are afraid of them yeah right well they're just afraid of them there's good reason to be afraid of course it will take you well look I've known at least 200 people who've been canceled like I have a very wide network of canceled people and virtually every single one of them when they got canceled responded to it about the same way you would respond to either a very very bad Court battle or a very very bad illness like it really wipes people out now you get the odd person Douglas Murray is like this by the way he's up for the fight right right he's a hard guy to cancel and put in accord but most people who are canceled man it's just devastating no that's why I said when you got sick I feel like there's a little team we we don't all agree on everything but we all kind of agree on that there's a thing called sanity and there's a certain amount of stuff that lands in it and certain stuff that lands out and uh we don't have to agree we kind of like the fact that we don't have to agree on everything but we're oh you don't learn otherwise do you don't learn but you know and and in general we're we don't have that many things to disagree on so yeah I agree the idea that we would lose any member of the team uh this little Avengers Squad that we have I I feel like is is yeah it's very threatening because I feel like there are people who only think all day long about how to cancel people how to get rid of people that is their rate zone Detra and they would like to think of themselves as social justice Warriors and they're just [ __ ] Mean Girls it's not about the worrying and it's not about the social and it's not about the Justice nearly as much as it is about I got this scalp on my wall and that's what I say this that's the sadism part that's right I found somebody who's uh less morally aware than me and my friends because they didn't get the memo about latinx we say latinx now oh shut up fetch girl yeah you know well and it's interesting too that you bring up the issue of Mean Girls because there are male patterns of antisocial behavior and there are female patterns and the male pattern tends to tilt towards physical violence which is partly why almost everyone who's in prison is male because we really put the clamps down on physical violence right but the female anti-social pattern which is well established by the way in the clinical literature is reputation savaging gossip-mongering and exclusion and it scales online oh wait say that again reputation savaging right so this is what chicks do as opposed to us you're so right when men are like men are like I'll kill you yeah and women are like I'll make you kill yourself right right right right right right yeah yeah yeah I'll make you wish you were dead yeah yeah so no I'll actually make you kill yourself because that happens a lot that's online bullying right you bet they get some 14 year old and they just and look I so understand this even though I'm just uh oceans away from the era where cell phones were part of your teen Hood but I sure do remember the feeling of having a knot in my stomach most days I went to I would say that I went to school for many many years because there was so much bullying uh embarrassment potential ostracism yeah you imagine what that would have been like with cell phones where every bloody thing stupid thing you did at a party it never leaves at least you could go home yeah right after school and the cell phone didn't Folly but it follows you into your bedroom yeah and it might follow you for the rest of your life and it might [ __ ] you know I'm so not being able to forget is a terrible thing right correct and you know if you can record everything I smoke this yeah right exactly exactly who are you no it's it's absolutely true Eugene O'Neill said uh a life without Illusions is unpardonable and a life with Illusions is unbearable yeah yeah well you you need to be able to forget and you need to be able to forgive and it it's it's also the case that it isn't obvious at all that virtual communication facilitates forgiveness right it's really good at facilitating the eventual mob what if online communication oh online because you don't have mobs of people who are going out together to forgive no like no that's not happening right in the Bible it does yeah yeah yeah but it does like it doesn't it doesn't make itself and even if it does happen it doesn't attract attention you were talking about Sodom and Gomorrah that was you right it was it was me it was Marin Williamson okay so I was there when we were making religious that was like one of the places and this is the one with Lot's wife yep so I I feel like I studied this and I didn't remember these like intricate permutations there where he he God was bargained down to 10 people yeah yeah that's actually why they decided to look for the for the 10 people but it started at 40. it started I just love the way they loved the Bible and it's the greatest book and they swear on it but it has these things that are like comically stupid and and corrupt I mean God is so corrupt in the Bible I mean you can bargain you can book the humans you know he does things that are so capricious and cruel and you know Petty I mean he's very trumpian well you know I've been I've been walking I released a series on started to release it yesterday on YouTube on on the story of Exodus and it's a 16-part series 32 hours on one of Exodus yeah I had nine people come down and I've been I've been walking through the biblical Corpus that was actually something I wanted to talk to you today about do you love it yeah well I love it that you're a real professor so like a personality and a TV guy and like a great voice but you're the real deal you're an academic so there is a there there's a very interesting idea that lurks behind the notion that you can establish a covenant with God and the and you can tell me what you make of this it's like the it's a reflection of the fact that human beings bargain with fate all the time we bargain with the future all the time so so and here's how we do it so this is what you teach your kids you teach your kids that if you forego immediate gratification so give it up sacrifice it because that's a sacrifice that the future will be better as a consequence well that's okay it's a contractual relation well that's what it's trying that's right that's the thing that's so interesting is that it actually will if you don't have that piece of cake tonight yeah you'll be healthier tomorrow right right and if you if you if you if you don't go off and play with your friends immediately after school but you know play the piano for 20 minutes then in in 10 years when you're actually a musician all sorts of Opera okay so so but but it's see this is something that's very uniquely human because human beings have learned that if we give up there are certain forms of immediate gratification if we give them up which means we offer them up it's a sacrificial offering then we can make a covenant a bargain with the future right right that's what's being reflected in those stories where the notion is that you can bargain with God I I love all that [ __ ] I went to Cornell I took a Bible course but all the stuff I took I knew I was going to be a comedian so I didn't like take any courses for any other reason why then oh this looks interesting and I'm a liberal arts major and so like all those courses where they go into such detail and they really delve into to going over the text in a way that they try to understand how those people were thinking and that to me is the it's just delicious Academia I remember I did not have any sort of social life at Cornell but I did have all these intellectual epiphanies from all these professors who you remind me of who like would introduce these ideas and the these and oh okay so I knew that story all these years and now I'm really understanding it it's I kind of miss that we released this series on The Daily wire first and and it was the most popular thing they ever made apart from Matt Walsh's documentary on what is a woman so yeah it's very strange it's very strange because it's very academic it's a very academic seminar series well I mean the Bible is so well known even by people who haven't read it and by the way a lot of the people who put their hand on it and love it so much I've never read it certainly not all the way through it's a big long book yes it is and it's you know full of most mostly nonsense once in a while it stumbles upon wisdom you know I mean it's uh but come on you you got to give these people their due I mean it was written that first of all it's an anthology I'm going to tell you a story okay Bible story this is this is Jordan I love your bible stories okay this is a Bible story so I'm um I've been looking at the story of Jonah yeah this is a story that you'll appreciate so here's what happens to Jonah he's just minding his own business and then he the voice of God comes to him and it's and the voice says you have to go to this city Nineveh because everybody in Nineveh is like they've strayed off the path and I'm thinking about wiping them out but you could maybe go there and tell them like how foolish they are and they'll straighten up and then I won't have to destroy the city and Joe and Jonah thinks there's no goddamn way I'm going to do that first of all Nineveh is a city of his enemy Babylonia it's it's it's it's a city that he's not he's not allied with and so he thinks well you guys can go to hell in a hand basket and if God wipes out that's perfectly fine with me right and then he also thinks like any wise man would it's like I see this is the task you have for me it's like there's 150 000 people there I'm a foreigner I'm gonna go there and tell them how they're misbehaving and that's going to work out well for me so he thinks to hell with that like any sensible person would and he doesn't say what he has to say right so then he hops on a boat he gets the hell out of there well it turns out that God's not very happy if you're informed that you have something to say and then you don't say it so the storms come and the waves rise and now the ship's in danger okay so what has that done well yes that's right it means that if you don't say what you have to say when you're called upon to say it you'll put the whole damn ship at risk now the soldiers figured this out or the sailors they figure out there must be someone on the boat that like isn't right with God and that's why we're in danger of being swamped so they won't go and ask everybody and Jonah to his credit says yeah it's me you know I I had the voice of conscience made itself manifest to me I had a task to do I refused it I'm screwing things up and the sailors actually tried to save him but it doesn't work so they throw him overboard now you think okay Jonah's got what he deserves because he shut the hell up when he had something to say and now he's gonna die and you think that's pretty damn rough and partly what that means is if you hold your tongue when you have something to say then you're going to put the ship at risk and you'll be lucky if you don't die all right but that's not enough that's not nearly enough because that isn't all that happens if you don't say what you're called upon to say so the next thing that happens is Jonah's drowning away that's about as bad as it gets and then this Creature From Hell itself comes up from the bottom of the abyss and takes him down and so now he's in hell for three days and so that's the next part of the story which is that if you're called upon to say what you have to say and you refuse it like you'll end up in a place where you wish yeah it's the whale oh okay but it's the same thing like that in the story The Whale is described as hell that's exactly the same idea in religious the guy who was arguing with me and he said he was very this point was very important to him he said the Bible does not say well it says Big Fish okay well now it makes perfect sense yeah well it's it's the thing well what it is it's a it's a representation of the thing that dwells in the dark it's so interesting that you see the lessons in these and I just always read these things as like super [ __ ] stupid from the Bronze Age you know and obviously they were telling people something I mean whoever wrote this was had a message in mind well they were trying to look they were trying to figure out by telling stories how the state itself got corrupted and this is one of those stories so the story is here's how the state gets corrupted you're called upon to tell your fellow man enemy or not when they're not behaving properly when your conscience tells you to do that you're called upon to do that if you don't do that the whole ship will start to rock do you think the Ancients who are reading this at the time and they read the story about these get swallowed by the big fish or the way you think they got this message they were like yeah but what this really means is when you're called upon excuse me I'm talking when you're called upon then you step up and do it no no I would say it's a step and it's just it's a it's a dreamlike step in the developing of understanding so before you fully understand something you can represent it in a story right it's kind of halfway yeah can you start to understand something by acting it out they may I mean they may have gotten it or they may have gotten it on an unconscious level right they got it at an implicit level yeah well that's what you get when you watch a story is you get it at an implicit level and it's actually very powerful right I mean when people go to movies most of the time most people when they go to movies don't sit around afterwards and discuss what the movie meant they just enjoy the they just enjoy the story but that doesn't mean they didn't learn anything it just means they don't reflect on what they learned now these the people who came up with these stories they were telling the stories because the stories were really interesting but the question there's a deeper question is well why why the hell was that story interesting and why was it remembered and so what happens to Jonah is that he's in the whale for three days and then he thinks all right now I'm in hell okay I'm gonna I'm gonna repent of my inadequacy I'm willing to say what I have to say so the whale spits them up on the beach then he goes to Nineveh and he tells everybody oh what the hell they're doing wrong and God decides to spare the city and so for me this story it's a win-win it's it's well it's a little hard on Jonah you know here's the whole hell thing he does he he lives that's right did he relocate to nonema no no it's just a pilgrimage didn't it okay so he did go okay but he goes there and then then the city is in fact saved but but it's perfect bill because what it shows and and I know you know this because you wouldn't speak the way you speak and this is true of comedians in general you know that you have a moral obligation like a deep and profound moral obligation I do to say what you have to say you're right well then you might say well what would happen if people didn't say that well that's the story of Sodom and Gomorrah as ever if everyone if there isn't anyone and who's left who is good and will tell the truth and the whole city disappears and the same thing happens in the story of Jonah turns to Hell everything turns to hell where is North America now on this on this scale of like how many well you you tell me I mean you tell me what do you see in Hollywood how terrified are people are telling their truthful stories now oh oh everybody okay I mean no it's I mean we're no we're in a terrible place and they're yeah I mean look I'm not gonna get into the strike stuff but it's um it's rough not being able to put a voice out there and I'm not just talking about mine but ARP show is one of the few places where you would see people of differing viewpoints instead of you watch Fox News you watch MSNBC you know exactly what they're going to say well you know what the question is the answer always begins with you're so right Chris right right or whoever okay that's not what we do and you know I feel like uh there should be more of that and with that and with the strike on there's none of that so it's a little scary when you only hear one the one side or the side of the bubble you're in or or or if you if you're only allowed to say what the like narcissistic machiavellians want you to say for their own nefarious purposes I mean I've talked to lots of people in the entertainment industry who tell me flat out that they're even starting to censor themselves you know they they can't sit alone in a room now and write down what they actually think or even tell the story they want to tell without having that voice in the back of their head going you know if you you probably shouldn't go there because you know the mob's gonna come for you and for for Creative people as soon as the the the what the angry mob the angry mob is the Tyrant who can't stand the gesture it's like as soon as you have the angry mob in your head you're done as a creative person you're right especially if you're a comedian because you have to be no aggressive it's uh it's led to a lot of stress in my life I would say more than anything else except relationships you know I I had to it took me a long time to learn that I'm not really built for like the kind of standard I mean you when you were ticking off like those five things you need to be happy or whatever yeah like I must say that's the one time my my bristles sort of went up because I've I don't know if you're saying this exactly but I've read it in other places I mean there's a I forget the guy's name but he's a famous doctor and he wrote a book on how to like be you know there's a lot of books like it how to live to me a million years old or you know how to don't die if you don't have to right right right [ __ ] slides good title yeah you know what it said it really is and one of his things was you know he had like 40 things you're supposed to do and I agreed with most of them you know obviously stay in shape and you know don't eat sugar and and one of them was be married and it was like you know for you it it it bothers the unmarried and there's actually I think probably now more of us than married now in America I think that we tipped over that point a few years ago I think singles are the majority it just they're just that idea that you know boy you're this doctor you're supposed to be really smart a lot of what you say is smart but you don't get that that's like a personal thing and you know I hate to put it this way but sometimes when somebody gets cancer and they go like I couldn't have gotten through it without my wife or I couldn't have gone through without my husband and I always want to say yeah and maybe they gave it to you yeah well you know relationships can be definitely yes the stress of one I'm talking about of course it's funny though you know because is it how much of it do you think is the stress of relationship and how much do you think of it how much of it do you think is the difficulty of maintaining a relationship through the stresses of life life is not the problem it's the relationship itself it's the monotony I mean again people are different you know like some people they love that I know guys who like they cannot wake up alone and uh that's not me you know people are different you know and I don't think we give that enough um respect that idea I think we all there's a lot of this assuming if you're not you know if you want to be happy be married you know just get in get in line buddy come on this is what we're doing here we're doing the marriage thing to be I think you do you you know so well we talked about this a little bit earlier in terms of the utility of of of sustaining relationships to sort of keep you tapped into shape yeah so okay so if you're if you don't have a lot of dozens of them yeah and have they tapped you into [ __ ] out [ __ ] all across this country are you kidding I'm all about the captain well so what keeps you what keeps you as sane as you are uh you know what my parents yeah okay so a lot of it is you were brought up I I'm very grateful that I was brought up in the era I was brought up in and not the one we have alluded to tonight where people are spoiled and where you were over protected I was not overprotected I'm so much first of all adulthood just seems like all gravy compared to how much anxiety and fear I had in my childhood and many people will say the opposite but to me childhood was even when it was not bad and I didn't have a bad nothing bad happened we had wonderful parents you know grew up in a Placid New Jersey setting in the 60s it was very very Leave It to Beaver but I still was like a nervous mess going to school because there was no such thing as like protecting you from bullying um there's one kid it was bullied so unmercively I can't believe he didn't kill himself but we were made of Sterner stuff so I mean the fact that I had that kind of upbringing where I wasn't overprotected where I got understood very early certainly before I went off to college what real sorrow was not that I like went to war or anything that would be the ultimate but like you know getting dumped the first time when you're in 17 and you know just the bullying stuff in the schools and all that kind of stuff you're you're going off to college and then College there was no social life at Cornell it really sucked I mean by the time I got into adulthood I was like what happened to me it's just not worse than Cornell and and so like it's all been gravy and I was always meant to be an adult you know I like adult things I didn't even like children when I was a child I thought they were very childish I went to Cornell the first semester I alienated the entire dorm because they were like having shaving cream fights every night okay it's funny for a week and then it was like and I like said something and then I was like the [ __ ] niedermeyer and had to like lock myself in the room while they banged on the door and you know wrote bad thing you know it's like that was my experience up until like almost till I got out here and one of the things I have been trying to communicate to my to the audiences that come and listen to me is that you know all things prefer all things concerned it's it's better to be an adult like it's better and people people do look back and they remember much better they romanticize like I went to my high school just the [ __ ] and I went there I went back to my high school reunion and and after like 25 years and it was a it had many of the stereotyped features of such events and one of them was this Nostalgia for let's say junior high and I swore to myself in junior high I looked around with my friends and I thought people keep telling us these are the best years of my life our lives and all of my friends are miserable they're miserable being 13 14 they're like completely miserable I'm never never going to forget this right I'm not going to fall prey to the delusion that these were the grandest years of our life and I don't think they are they were terrible you had acne and you were I mean you were so you were so horny I mean I was like Beyond horny from I would say 11 to uh 16 without any relief of that except myself so you're at the horniest and you know you're at least desirable well hell of a combination right exactly let's say you did it again God genius yeah um no I was uh and shy so why does super shy why are things improved for you when you became an adult what did what happened that was different well I don't want to get cosmic on you I just was always meant to be this way I was always meant to play this part like um are you aware of the show Camelot yes okay it was one of my parents favorites when I was a little kid it was playing in the house the the show recording of it and it's about a king they remade it they made a movie with Sean Connery as when he was older as the king king's older I guess it's King Arthur and uh certainly on Broadway it was Robert Goulet Canadian Robert Goulet I we have all the heartthrobs man I was gonna say I will forgive you if you want to like sing praises to Robert goulette because he is a HomeTown hero come on he was awesome I knew him awesome dude okay Great Canadian forgot the words of the national anthem ones we we don't know the words to the national anthem we keep changing them for politically correct reasons you should you should hear a group of Canadians get up and try to sing the national anthem it is really quite comical they mum we Mumble through at least two-thirds of it see is it Sons or daughters or them or they we have no idea playing your greatest hits um okay so Robert Goulet this is what made him a star on Broadway in 1960 he played sir Lance a lot and it's a love triangle Guinevere she's married to the king who's an awesome King he's a great king he's not like he's a schmuck or anything and he's still very hot Sean Connery even at 60 okay so uh but she of course falls for the handsome young Lancelot Robert Goulet when that's when he sings If Ever I would leave you it wouldn't be in summer okay so um I hope you don't have to pay royalties for that so like I was never meant to be Lancelot I'm not the boyfriend I wasn't good at that I'm the king okay you know it's great you can have your boyfriend your Lancelot but it was just never the role that I was meant to play so I just got more comfortable the older I got to this day you know and of course at some point that will and because you know we are pushing you know the age where I guess that uh is around the corner but you know until they stopped me I'll continue to live young to you know to answer your question what keeps me going I think a lot of it is that I like the fact that I didn't have kids because then I didn't like pass on I didn't trade my life for someone else's life which is what you sort of have to do when you have kids it's Noble and it's I get the sacrifice but like I'm I'm really what how what has sustained you I mean you talked about your parents you're grateful to that relationship yeah well so my sister is still in the world and and we're close and we talk on the phone and stuff that's nice um friends the best yeah and the greatest thing about being this age is that you know French is something you collect over a lifetime and I don't mean that in a cynical way it's a good thing you know I remember like at Cornell having no friends yeah no friends yeah zero when you went to Cornell you're like everybody 18. okay and when was that 74. okay okay okay so like forget girlfriends no girlfriend girls forget that was not gonna happen at Cornell but uh not even friends I mean that's lonely yeah to go from that to like when you're this age and you have friends who like I have three friends from childhood you know a couple from college and then friends from early stand up who are still my friends from when I was like an actor in the 80s you know a couple of people like that and then from the people on uh politically incorrect and then real time over the last 30 years friendships that just happened organically I mean I never push it on anybody but a lot of those are long-term friendships long term so why do you think so you don't have to answer it's one clinical to have so many wonderful friends why do you think you were so successful in terms of maintaining long-term friendships but not successful in terms of because I don't see it as a success just the way the question is phrased you were not successful at keeping long-term relationships yeah I I threw the game okay doc I didn't want to be successful well I took a dive in the third round yeah right but but it's but it's it's curious to me that you but that isn't the case on the Friendship front but it's so different friendships you don't get tired of the sex I still love hanging out with Jim Valerie and we never ever expect sex ever not once in 45 years and it's so there's just not that Dimension to it that is always hanging over the head like the sort of Damocles over relationships the clock's always ticking on them for when the passion runs out and that's the Dilemma everybody finds themselves in everybody finds themselves in it it's just how people handle it some people cheat some people leave some people don't care some people just suck it up you know everybody has their way of dealing with it but it's gonna happen no one I mean and no one's who's in a long-term relationship is going to say oh yeah 20 years on and we still like attack each other when we walk in the door it's just that come on that's true in my case you still attack each other yeah okay we just played stump the band yeah sorry man you got me sorry you win dinner at Peppy's yeah thank you thank you thank you wow that's very impressive it's really it's well you know what better man than I let me tell you the story because it it so both my wife and I were very sick for a couple years right and she just about died every day for about eight months it was really not good and she handled it with Amazing Grace by the way and at the same time I was very ill and we were actually separated like for about two years because I was in hospitals here and there sure and so I was there with her for the bulk of her illness and then when she recovered very suddenly and somewhat miraculously up on our 30th wedding anniversary day by the way which she told me she was going to do like three months previously which was like I have no idea what to make of any of that um I got very ill after that and so we were apart more or less for about two years and we grew apart quite a lot and when we got back together when I moved back into the house um it wasn't we didn't really know what to do with each other because it had been so long and she had kind of gone her way and I was still very ill but we had made a habit of dating um two or three times a week like we really set aside time to do that each other and yes yes each other yes an important an important Point bill yeah yeah and so and so we had practiced that continually wow and we really set aside time to do that and so when we got back together and we didn't really know what to do we thought well we we had this dating routine like maybe we could start that up again and I tell you man that brought us back together right away and it was better than it was before and that has continued and when you say dating like describe a date like it sounds like you like something where it's planned and you know you're you're at your best and you're yep that's all you got to do well okay I can tell you well so we have this Thursday dinner you um we we generate don't because I can't go out in public that much you know because look at you well you know so [ __ ] hey cannot go out in public I love it well not be private right so you you I'm sure you don't know that involves hockey yeah yeah yeah yeah um if I wear a mask if I wear a goalie Mouse we have this third floor on our house we built we built a log cabin essentially on the third floor of our house in Toronto it's this little narrow house yes we had this weird idea that we would build a log cabin on the roof of our house which we eventually did oh the roof yes we we tore off the roof and we put a third floor on that's basically a log cabin except we had an Indian guy Native American Native Canadian actually come and help us design it and it's full of totem poles and beautiful native art yeah it's a crazy place it's all wood um it has great Acoustics it's a small it's just it's not much bigger than this place it's about the same size as the place that we're in right now and violet Elizabeth Warren stay there for free I I would if she I would I would if she asked you know it's only polite so and it has great Acoustics it has a great sound system we go up there and dance and it's beautiful I have like dance yeah we go up there and dance and we have these like I have laser lights show up there which is real fun and do you know how many women just came right now the idea that this like like erudite good looking guy you got the George Hamilton tan I don't know how a [ __ ] Canadian gets a tan like that oh I guess you're here in California hey man instatan wow like to to know that there's a guy in the world who is like that with someone he's been with for 30 years that is the ultimate [ __ ] boner for women I mean seriously that wetens panties from here to um Kuala Lumpur I'm telling you well so that's a good move so so there's it's true there's a place in L.A called uh trashy.com trashy.com trashy lingerie yeah yeah that's it okay so about about I had a a membership card in 1988 okay so you know the place well so so about 20 years ago something like that I bought like 100 pieces of lingerie oh 100 yeah a whole bunch like a boatload yes what a baller yeah yeah it was and then and then she wore them and that took care of the novelty Problem by the way the novelty oh really it helped a lot yes I mean it's the same it was a form of play you know of course I mean let me tell you you're low maintenance because I mean the idea that just different lingerie could because it's still the same person in there I mean that's my problem but you know you know that people can be very complicated right and and they they can show you different sides of themselves if you can play very complicated yeah yeah well fair enough fair enough but she played long you know and that made the difference look I envy you that is just that is a rare but you I'll tell you you do realize how rare you I'll tell you something among them right so I've known my wife since she was eight so we've known each other for 52 years wow and we were childhood friends and I really liked her when when we were kids like I was probably in love with her before you're even pubic yeah yeah yeah she lived across the street she was one of my friends and we kind of separated um because I was young I was a young kid in my class because I skipped a grade and so she you know she physically matured like two years before me and then she was gone for like four years essentially but we were very close friends when we were kids and there was romantic attraction there at that age and now when I see her I swear this is true when I see her I can see her at every single age of her life at the same time it's really magical okay they all just came again if you weren't sincere about it they wouldn't come but they're coming I mean because you are obviously sincere you can't make this [ __ ] up no no you cannot make no it's so hard not even Tom Hanks can make this [ __ ] up uh no but he's like the other guy who you know when he there was a run of movies there he did and I guess it was kind of in Vogue at the time and like the best thing you could be was the widower because it showed that you can commit you're single you're a total committer but you're also single right but it's not your fault right right right right the one way you could be both the guy who commits crazy commits and they're sorry for you because the wife and now you know so that was Zoe and I know a guy and a friend of mine in real life who is that I mean he sadly and unfortunately lost his wife at like I don't know 35 or 40 or something and uh yeah I mean it's it's way better than saying I'm divorced well you said you you I said I don't want to put words in your mouth but but from what I understood what from what you told me was that the the integration of sex into a relationship was what what fragmented your Intimate Relationships it was hard it was hard to manage that you had these long-term you have these long-term friendships but the sexual element was was something that didn't integrate well let's not talk about it like I'm some weird science project yes I was experiencing what 98 of the world goes through which is they get [ __ ] bored of each other because no matter how interesting a person is if you live with them every [ __ ] day no one is that interesting you're not I'm not we're good now because we're like getting drunk forcing it all together and but like it can't always be there it's very difficult it's very very difficult well I'll tell you something else that happened and this was interesting you know I was out on tour with my wife right and we've toured a lot like I've been in we've been in like 500 cities in three years like it's four years something like that it's crazy we're on the road all the time and one time last March when we were touring um Tammy had had enough she she for a variety of reasons I wasn't feeling very well again and she she just had enough of touring so she went home for a while and she'd like to be on tour and so she went home and she sat down and she thought like well what the hell do I have to do to want to continue being on tour and a little voice came to her and said you have to get your own room and so she was worried about that because she thought she thought she went and talked to a friend of hers and she said well you know I was trying to think about what I needed if I was going to be on the road and I think I need my own room and her friend said get your own damn room and right Tammy said well I'm kind of worried about bringing this up with my husband because I don't know what he's going to think and so she came and told me this and she said I went home and I thought about what I need to go on to her I need my own room and I thought well what the hell are you trying to tell me here exactly you know right right but then I thought because I trusted her right and she's an honest person like we swore when we got married that we wouldn't lie to each other and she really took she took that even more serious than me and I took it seriously so she doesn't lie to me and so if she tells me that she thought through something in a particular way I can believe it thank God it's not a rejection it's it's it's it's just the smart move well that's that's right quickly how can look 10 of life is completely disgusting everything that happens in the bathroom including brushing your teeth like I don't want to watch someone brush their teeth and that's hardly the grossest thing that happens in the bathroom I just think it's gross these things need to happen alone well we also realized it's like if you live in a house with someone you don't live in the same room and we're not we're not on road we live on the road I know but you kind of do and you certainly sleep together right that's you're in the same room about you know probably at least 40 percent right you know that's a lot of time left with another human being it just is we don't know we don't know exactly how much time you have to spend together in a part to maintain that novelty like and and it's a real complicated I know well well wait I got I finally I got an answer to one doc no well you said you know you said quite straightforwardly that there's that there's a a privacy boundary that you want to maintain right right it I mean but that's not unreasonable again I'm not the only one who's told these kind of stories but I've heard it many times like oh a woman will say you know I was so totally into this guy and then we decided to kind of like get closer and you know one night he just burped in front of me and I was like oh you know we're not burping now are we yeah and he goes oh I'm feeling gassy I was like okay you know like there is a moment when it just the part that makes it tingly gets killed I I remember nobody else's friend of mine's wife told me you know we were talking about I don't know what but she was telling me about like marriage and and I said she was being very pessimistic about it and I said when did it all go south like that and she said the first time I had to wash his underwear [Music] we don't have to get graphic about it but I know exactly what that means and it's like you can't unsee that and you can like maybe you're made of stern of stuff I think you are definitely but some of us just like we can't manage those two things there's a singer I think it's Meghan Trainor who has a love toilet seat with her husband like they [ __ ] next to each other to me this is like the opposite end of the spectrum I'm on like if that's maybe I'm anal ironically because they're actually [ __ ] together but yes I guess that makes me anal and that's whatever that is which I think is nuts but I think that has a lot to do I mean was it Freud or Erickson one of those dudes who said like everything is like in our personality packed in in the first couple of years so that kind of thing with me probably dictated a lot about this right I don't want to wake up with somebody necessarily I can and it can be great but like I don't need that but I do need like well when people get my own bathroom well one of the things one of the things that has happened since so we we talked this through and I said look if you if you think you need your own room and that's going to make the tours work better like partly because our schedules weren't aligned exactly I would be up later at night of course right how can they be just the temperature I remember having a girlfriend we used to fight we don't we'd have thermometer Wars like I'd wake up and because she wanted it hot and I wanted it cold sleeping I'd wake up it would be 80. and then I'd move it to 62 because like oh I'd be like okay we gotta I know you're gonna [ __ ] with this at some point so what sort of way what what wouldn't it be just easier to get separate rooms so you did I'm hoping get separate rooms absolutely and it worked right it really it worked amazingly well I think it was partly too because she got away from me enough to miss me and you know exactly yeah yeah yeah well that that's the problem with that continual that continual take it for granted intimacy means that there's no deprivation right and you have to be deprived of someone to some degree before you get interested in them and so you can get satiated with it you know what the number one mistake I'm getting this from women that young guys make with girls is like they meet okay the girl likes it okay he's cute he doesn't seems like a psycho give their number and then instead of just like being cool about it and like hitting them up the next day hey great to meet you let's talk soon they like bombard them and the girl is like could you give me just a minute to try to miss you right before we start you know yeah yeah and it's like they just tip their hand of their insecurity and their desperation yeah they think it's probably even more important to give women space to miss you because foreign sex at less frequency than men and so if you don't give your woman space more space than you might even want to give her given your difference likely difference in sexual temperament then she isn't going to get a chance to miss you I mean that's not always true no it's not no no it's not always true it's not always true but but it's but it's it's reliably but it's great that after you went through everything you went through health-wise that the old uh skin bus still can drive into tone in town yes yeah well you know I mean that's you have to you you want to know what you should be pleased about in life right right that's the thing about that's one of the things about getting older it's like what are you pleased about well things still work yeah it's like it's a lower threshold well that Fran Leewood says the great observation that she says you know when people go you look great she said yeah remember nobody really says it to you when you're young it's a surprise you look great you're decrepit you look way better than you should that's really the Chiron underneath you yeah definitely you know for your age or yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but you do basic reports I'm so glad that looked nearly as awful as you could so glad you're killing it I could talk to you all night but I'm not going to take advantage um so anytime I can do anything for you I'm your biggest fan and I don't care who knows it and uh I hope we see each other you can come to this conference that I'm hosting in London in October okay that's not gonna happen no no I no I don't travel overseas anymore oh oh how come you know I'm just not a great traveler um never was I'm a nervous traveler uh the last few times I went to Europe I never got over the the jet lag never slept right like never slept more than four hours and so that affects like yeah that's not fun this is too much information just it just it just uh some people travel easily and well and I increasingly as I get older especially I think you know I backpacked across Europe with zero money when I was 21. so you know but you get it's different and I'm just uh you know I mean a lot of traveling is just oh my gosh wondrous and delightful and some of it is trying to cut open an orange at two in the morning with a can opener because there's no knife in the room and it's you know it's just uh it's when I get home it's like such a relief from a trip so you said though that you were doing some touring or some appearances in America yeah okay and you know quick I do weekends you know I do Friday Saturday and I come home after the second show Saturday so I'm not gone that long and uh and are these basically stand-up comedies absolutely oh yeah yeah that's fun very stand-up yeah when I'm on the road with Tammy one of the things we often do is go to stand up comedy ratios but someday we should do this live yeah that'd be fun that would be fun and get a good crowd yeah that'd be fun we should do that in Las Vegas [Music] there is still such a thing as the public intellectual yeah yeah it's the audience is not as big as I'm sure it was perhaps a different eras in our history but it still exists and it's large enough to got you this nice suit

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