Jordan Peterson Calmly HUMBLES Woman Who Says Men & Women Aren't Equal Yet

[Music] what do you understand by equality Sophie what does it mean to you uh Freedom can you be more is it equality of opportunity is it equal pay across the board is it something more than that I think equality is better for everyone I I think you know I and I'm really delighted you know I love my job because it's an optimistic and a hopeful job which is about creating more choices for people I'm interested in people being able to have different choices and um and having equality of outcome she danced around that question she did not answer it I don't think she know what equality means aha well so you're going to have choices and equality of outcome what if people choice choose different things which is what they've been doing in Scandinavia so the Scandinavian countries have moved more towards gender equality than any other countries and the personality differences in scandin Navy have increased rather than decreased and the proportion of women who are choosing stem Fields has decreased rather than increased so as cultures become more gender neutral the number of women who choose stem Fields decreases stem Fields science technology engineering and Mathematics so if you let men and women make their choices what actually happens is that they specialize in different in different situations you don't get equality of they not have been programmed to have those views from the moment we raise them and give boys Lego and construction because what happens is that as countries get more egalitarian which means there's less program programming of that sort the differences get larger not smaller and the scientific data on that is clear and most of it was generated by people who have a left leaning bias so you can't blame it on conservative scientists it was a shock to everyone to find that out so I I mean I think the difference between Jordan and me is that we um we look at uh evidence and we lean towards different theories so Jordan's theory is very much evolutionary you know that there are inherent differences in men and women mine is very much more social rule theory if you like and that that men and women are taking on different roles due to the expectations that Society puts on them and it's it's interesting that Jordan frequently uh cites Scandinavian countries where they've made more like there's nowhere in the world that women are equal um but Scandinavia has made the most progress towards um uh shared parenting um Etc um that said um it's not done yet there's nowhere in the world where this is done yet but it's having the opposite effect that the gender equality types predicted opposite not not the same and it isn't a theory it's actually data driven by tens of thousands of surveys and the best scientific literature on the topic I'm know it's not a theory and I didn't come about it because of my political perspective I looked at the data what it showed was that as countries become more egalitarian the differences between men and women grow they don't shrink so what I'm interested in his his data and Analysis as well ma'am you're not interested in the data and the facts because he's telling you the data and the facts but you just want to keep talking to find a way to rebuttal this man but you're not saying anything this woman is the definition of hearing but not listening at all interested in his his data and Analysis as well and I'm particularly interested in the ones presented such as the ones by the University of Southern California um which discovered that um change towards gender equ equality is actually being slowed by beliefs that are legitimizing social inequalities on the basis of sex and I'm also interested I mean like Jordan I look at the data and I look at the studies and I'm really also very much interested in studies like the analysis that was done by um the American Psychological society which looked at 45 analysis of SE whether there's sex difference over 20 years and it's conclusion was that men and women are basically alike in terms of personality in terms of cognitive of ability in terms of leadership but what it did find was that media depictions of men and women as fundamentally different perpetuate misconceptions as does workplace bi oh God so it's my fault so no well you know you're leaving soon it's okay men and women men and women actually are more the same than they are different but the issue is is that small differences at the population level can turn into very large differences at the extreme so for example men and women are broadly similar with regards to aggression although men tilt a little bit more towards aggression about so that if you picked a random person out of the population male and female and you guess that the male was more aggressive you'd be right 60% of the time but if you take the one in a 100 most aggressive people they're all male and that's why the overwhelming proportion of people who are in prisons are male now do you want to equalize that just out of curiosity what about Brick Layers they 99% male and the and we've got about 3/4 of of the population now in universities in the humanities social sciences are female are we going to equalize that and men men work more longer hours they work more dangerous jobs they're more likely to move they're more likely to work outside they're more likely to participate in jobs in the stem fields that are scalable they make more money for those reasons and that's all hidden under the idea that the reason that men and women make different amounts of money is because of their gender it's a very simplistic analysis and trying to just say that's when women's whole argument for equality falls apart they don't want that same equality when it comes to certain jobs they don't want to do labor intensive work and you would think it's more labor intensive Blue Collar jobs but these women are also not going into the science or engineering Fields as well where they got to build you know Machinery a lot of software jobs women are not running to those jobs as well can you come back on that I'm trying to equalize his his opportunity and choice fine let's equalize agree on that get equal outcome that way and I think that what happens then nobody knows cuz we we've never done it we do know we know what's happened in Scandinavia but it's fully got there no but it's going in the opposite direction that everyone predicted and strongly I think there's I think one of the things I loved about Jordan's book which I read speed read last night so forgive me Jordan I've not read every line but one of my favorite rules in Jordan's book is Rule nine which says assume the person you are listening to might know something you don't mhm and I think that in a country where men out number women um uh by two to one in Parliament in local government um where Women's voices are not equally represented in media um where our education systems um still are teaching boys and girls ideas of pink and blue what I'm trying to do is work with thousands of optimistic hopeful people uh for change okay joint me I want to take one call if you'll forgive me cuz time is really short and I owe it to the viewers to hear their views on this we've got Saleem calling from Manchester sale good morning hi Matthew how you doing I'm very well loving I'm hogging picking heaven today uh what do we think about equality will it ever happen Seline um I I was going to say I thought it was going to happen but after listening to Jordan he swayed my opinion why did you say why did you think it was going to happen because I think we're going to become more cognitive creatures and jobs are going to be more about mental skills technology but then i' I've been visited schools and I work in stem Tech I'm an software developer and the number of women doing software development hasn't increased I would have thought they would have increased more but I went into secondary schools to do gcsc it stuff and there's very very few girls doing it and I was thinking it is the future and why are and they are the schools are pushing for more girls to go into it but there's only about eight schools can I just sorry can I just next no because 30 seconds Sophie's idea actually representations in the media could be affecting such choices Geeks we see Geeks got spectacle BLS with bad hair on computers that's what tech means isn't it yeah and you're absolutely right why does it seem like every debate that Jordan Peterson is in he looks like the sober guy talking to a bunch of drunk people like but I'm going to stop the video right there you guys drop a comment down below let me know what you think about this conversation that Jordan Peterson had on this show and why you guys think a lot of females don't go into the Science and Technology field um I didn't know the numbers was so high as they was but make sure you guys hit that subscribe button on your way out like the video I will see you in the next [Music] one only

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Published: Sun Feb 11 2024