John Cleese | Club Random with Bill Maher

[Music] so you live in England now I live in hotel rooms no two years ago I was in 46 weeks in hotel rooms what did the Romans ever do for us the woke people have not yet spotted that's a pro imperialist sketch who's that tall glass of water sitting in my bar oh my leash really forgive me not getting up it takes me 20 minutes these days let you get up how are you I BR I have a book coming out oh and they just started the put out the you know like the first galy where you've done I I have a blurb on your last book I think what I have a blurb on your last book yeah I think you too I you think you do I wrote a little book on I wrote a little book on creativity have you seen that it was about Cornell when you read at Cornell oh that stuff yes that's right that's right that was the lectures i' done that but I've written a little book on cre creativity it'll take you 45 minutes to read well then I'm going to read it five times because I'd love to know what you think of it I'd love to know where you agree and where you don't agree I I can't imagine not agreeing with you I don't think you will disagree but I'd still like to hear what you because like I've read tweets of yours which were commenting on things I've said yes we do see and that so I they print I there's only five I did use four is my last one but I said no no no I'll get more I wanted you to have it before you no no no and it has that that you quoted that that essay is in here oh really it was about um the younger generation thinking they could reinvent human nature um the way you remember it the the way yeah that was long time ago well the Communists thought they could reinvent human nature yes that's right with like man is not selfish yes and I compared it to like now they think they can reinvent human nature somewhat biologically yes yes I was reading today about couples now who do not want the child to be referred to the baby the infant as a boy or a girl until they can decide for themselves I'm that's not a joke I know I know I mean it is well it's you don't know whether to laugh or cry really I'm being quite serious because it is such a serious matter deep down and it's so crazy yeah no the one of the aspects I always say with woke I'm not pro woke or anti-woke I'm Pro some bits of woke and anti- some bits of woke but one of the most extraordinary things they seem to believe is that if you have a feeling then that's it you shouldn't examine it which kind of neglects everything since Freud which is quite a long time and most of the great philosophers and certainly the religious leaders all of whom say the art of meditation is is a slow digestion of your feelings to discover what's beneficial for you and what you can better let go of the art of meditation well what's part of meditation isn't it being with your thoughts I thought that was all of it yeah do you do it a bit I yeah I I I would must say I'm a meditation school dropout I feel I mean like I like I've tried it uh but I don't know there's always something better to be doing quite frankly I I know I'm sure I'm sure the greatest and I'm missing out on the thing that would keep me happier and healthier but you know it's just so hard to do it sometimes isn't it cuz the silly bits of us think that something else is more urgent which you can't possibly be but it just looks like it at the time well it's a little like how people sometimes say and I say it myself and certainly you understand also because as you get older the time goes faster yes and um yes so people say you know I wish I could make time slow down and I always say say to them oh you want make time slow down go to prison time will go very it will really slow down one other time it goes slowly is the first two or three days on a holiday and it's because nothing is familiar you're right so you start taking more in you become more perceptive by the second week you know where the chairs are and you're not interested in looking them anymore and then it starts speeding up again but I think if you if you can do that if you can actually slow it down by going to different places and having different responses to things I think that slows it down yeah I mean you know it's it's the Paradox you could never uh work your way out of which is that when things are good it goes fast and when things are bad it goes slow so you either way you're [ __ ] you know but um I think one of your old bandmates had a joke about getting older I remember I think it Michael Palin maybe and it was uh like as you as you get older you just it time just goes so much faster so in the morning you get up to go to shave and you look in the mirror and go you again that's right and it's kind of true you're like yeah wow I've got to the point now which must sound very strange when I notice how bored I get with myself I suddenly think oh shut up CLE you know you see the same repeating the same patterns and you just start stop it but don't people have a wife for that yes the main purpose very important creatures I'm on number four I I I tried three Americans and then I gave up on Americans and I got an Englishman who is quite wonderful oh great and ridiculously funny how long's that been going on about 15 years oh so that's great yeah that's just that's like a golden met this is how we met and I which you will throw up but women love it I was I'd been in the dentist chair for an hour and a half I was in an awful foul mood I was walking back to my house and I saw this tall blonde and she was walking with that slight sway you know what I mean and I remember thinking stuck up Todd she's probably a Russian hooker I'm not even looking at her and as we walk past each other we sort of glanced we took two more steps and we both turn around so either of us had not turn around we wouldn't be together so a tall blonde yeah with an ass on her well I couldn't see that the front but what I saw was this sort of slightly beautiful swaying movement I thought stuck up but John you must have seen swaying movement many times in your life there must have been something about this one that made it unique well you see you know I wrote a couple of books about psychology and the guy I wrote them with or co-wrote them with he was a psychiatrist who's called Robin Skinner and he founded the Institute of family therapy in London and he told me that on the first day when people got together for the training to be family therapists they would be told to just circulate maybe I don't know be 15 20 old in a room not speak and then to choose someone just on the basis of the face that they felt they would like to have had in their family or family in their family or remind not dating not date no no in the family in the they would like to recognize I would like to have had that person in my family or she reminds me or he reminds me of someone in the family and then they'd sit down and they would discover that they had similar emotional histories like a parent died young right do you see what I mean sure and Robin said he was skeptical until he did it the first time and then there were four people left over at the end who hadn't paid play hadn't paired off and Bill they were the four orphans okay so I mean think of that think but go so but going by this Theory then say say there's a man who's had four marriages we're not going to say anyone in particular and three of them were did not work and one of them did are we to conclude from this by this theory that the three that didn't work were because they did not have similar emotional background oh yeah no really do you think that's what it is well no they had similar ones but in this case it was workable what I'm what I'm saying is I think you can pick up an enormous amount of information for somebody just like that I find now almost the embarrassing thing is I know within 10 15 seconds of meeting someone when I want whether I want to get to know them better or not that as you get older that is something that does um yeah take just a such a short amount of time very and it's funny cuz they think they can put it over you know young people and they don't realize that you're onto them right in straight away at 30 seconds and they're still doing it an hour later but I'll tell you something I was just thinking about this cuz I'm meeting some of your stuff your for years I'd like to get to know almost all of them better just straight away I just thought this is great cuz I haven't done it you get up with with them so well cuz you're so so little of I love them all but I'm I'm always this we tape this on a work night I have a job that I have to like kill myself to you you you know what that grind is like oh yes I mean I'm sure you've had those nights when it was like you know because you don't want to ever and you never did you don't want to more than the money or anything you don't want to disappoint the audience absolutely that's the if you want to know what the ultimate motivation is I think for sure people like us not Schmucks but people like us it's that I will not disappoint these people on Friday nighto I always feel when on stage I want them to feel they've had got their money's were oh mone's were totally but especially people who are like you know you're my Friday night date I watch you ever I you know they can't we still have a our show is still one of the few appointment television shows for couple of million who watch of the people more than that who watch it though they really want to see it then so like if people are are that devoted to it and lots of people next day you know I I watch it on my you know treadmill at 8 Saturday morning like wow good for you I wouldn't do anything at 8 Saturday morning but okay but uh I just don't want to disappoint them so whatever like I have to do yeah uh short of killing a guy uh I think when I started and what spoiled the enjoyment of what I was doing was the feeling I just don't want to be bad I was more driven by the thought I don't want to be bad than I was I want to be really good and you guys never were you know and even you as a solo artist you're very much like a band like like a band like the Beatles where all the albums were good you know none of that you didn't do a ton of movies but they were all great money python is Michael Kane's right if you do a few terrible ones nobody remembers them he said Michael Kane said do every role you ever offered because if it works everyone knows about it and if it's no good it disappears immediately everyone forgets yeah unless it's like eight years of that in a row and then you're Nick Cage okay so I I don't think I'm not going to say that that theory works completely Michael Kane was a special kind of dude yeah um but he also made some terrible movies of course well nobody can make a hundred movies cuz it's quite difficult making a good movie which critic seem to forget whereas being a Critic is actually rather easy no what year was fish Wanda fish called uh 18 88 or something but I mean that was like a big 87 87 88 something like that yeah and uh I just remember thinking oh wow that's very similar like you know Don Henley was in the Eagles and now he's got some great solo albums you know well I I I wanted to do something all the others are you grma made to Phils Michael had made two Eric had made one Terry Gilliam had made about 33 very very very expensive on and I was about I was the only one who who hadn't made a movie I think there was one of the oh no no Jonesy made me so I thought I'll try try and do one of my own it was 14 drafts bill because the huge advantage that I have over other comedians is that I believe that it's harder than they do so I work at it more yeah well I mean again I'm not to beat this dead horse but um I I want to know what I honestly think it's not just tequila you want some yeah I love a taste um it's not um I like tequita more and more these days yeah I find KN yourself out what am I going to have is that a glass that is a that's a shot glass you want a shot of it this is I bet this is quite a good one just like a big boy there cheers thank you pleasure it is oh are you kidding I've been looking all week good I've been cheers thinking about this I mean obviously not specifically cuz I obviously don't prepare anything but that's the attempt of this endeavor to be completely there you go oh my God that's good I'm going to get the name off that one you really that's so that's how you drink I don't drink much now because my my body can't absorb it but I like toino and I like vodka everything else I find a bit too heavy I've even slightly gone off wine which I used to love because it it's I I feel the heaviness I mean all populations drink of course but well maybe not the Amish or I don't know Iran will probably get you in trouble but they do um but the British wow they can drink oh they can drink I mean like they're up there with I don't know who Russians or po I don't know like like I say everybody drinks but British Irish I mean I've been in those pubs where the PE the person is just passed out on the stool and it's not something anyone else has even noticed just fully out and still being served you think I of thought that there's some similarity between the Japanese and the British you know small slightly isolated other yes I thought of that too yes very inhibited the best book I ever read about British inhibition was the remains of the day oh yeah you remember byuro I remember the wasn't it a Merchant Ivory movie yes yeah right and I wonder if it isn't about um when you you see if you if you crowd people together um they kind of have to have better manners because otherwise fights will break out so you learn how to become inhabited yeah the Japanese all this stuff and the Bri you haven't been on the subway no that's I mean their main form of sex is masturbating on the subway I mean I'm not think I'm talking out of school I but that's certainly not in school no that's true too no I love the Japanese and of course they I mean they do there's a lot of sort of ritual and it's very like the English up that sort of almost too well-mannered which kills real feeling if you consider marrying your phone a ritual because they do that too oh yeah they're very into like you know relationships with um Mech you know not a lot of them but yeah ggs you know well marry your phone they they literally I mean this is a movement you know you all that thing when I remember going into New York when I was first in America in 1964 and I go into a and I began to notice it after time this extraordinary unnecessary thank you no thank you right no no really thank you all that and I was sitting in Los Angeles almost the first time I was there I was at a big lunch and was an English guy and I was sort of watching him and he wanted the salt but everyone was talking and he couldn't reach it and he pointed at the salt and said sorry that's how English ask for the S well what about tennis you know they said thank thank you before you even get the B you know that's the way you you you anticipate so there's all this routine to stop people hitting each other deliberate politeness and Bill that's why they need the alcohol you see what I mean but don't all societies I mean if you studied you know Joseph Campbell that kind of those have you read those books those some of yeah but you know the general gist we're talking about we talking about Behavior across societies they've studied many cultures you know they'll study I don't I don't think we use the word primitive anymore when we were kids you could say A Primitive C you know a tribe no no absolutely not living and rolled up Wild West was a height to sophistication what was what the wild west yes exactly no I mean I absolutely respect people who worship mud and live in rolled up ballls of straw and I I will fight anyone who says they're not the equal of any of any culture I'm not even saying where these people people are right so you can't get me on that but uh oh [ __ ] what were we talking about I don't know um see that's well we're talking about the importance to uptight people who are too well-mannered of alcohol because it's the one way they can let go cultures no no we're talking about the things cultures do to keep the peace these are all the things you know I had a friend who went to prison once and I I said was it rough and and like I'm sure there are prisons and most prisons are rough and horrible but he said actually the people I was in there with maybe I was just lucky they just really wanted to get out it wasn't like a Maximum Security Prison but it was a prison so like everybody was actually super polite because they didn't want to like fight now that's certainly not the way prison is in every single television show and movie ever made where it's just this hellscape and it probably is but that also could be the case they could you could go to prison and it could be that people just want to do their time and go um but that's a morbid future to think about interesting I hadn't thought of it like that no I I hadn't either until I talked to this guy but um the point of the society thing is that PE the cultures have to developed some sort of rituals for getting along yes so that you're you're always greasing the you know so nothing and of course we now live in a a culture where politically we do the exact opposite you know it's always picking and polarizing until we're at this you know we're at a real Saro kind of moment where yeah yeah oh oh I mean it can happen Saro hosted the Olympics in ' 84 and seven years later you were getting sniped at if you went out for milk yeah you know that that was I was there for a film festival and I learned something extraordinar important I guess it's about 20 years ago so after the war maybe 50 yeah yes so yes after after the war and I was there and they showed me the underground tunnels and explain that the serbs have been up the lobbing shells down telescopic shooting people acrossing the street and you know Bill it really taught me a lot this they said do you know what we did I said no they said we found an underground car park we turned it into a cinema and we used to go in the evenings and watch Comedy I said what he said yes just comy and they watched a lot of python cuz it said they like that sense of humor in the Balkans and uh I said well what and they said well when we came out we felt better and I said but nothing had changed I said no but we felt better and I suddenly realized that comedy has a very laughing has a very positive effect on people it moves them to a more positive part of their mind oh and music you know you need both yeah I think some people don't but I certainly suspect people who don't laugh or like like Trump never really laughs no of course that's that's a psychopath you know yeah really I mean that's it's a very Psychopathic kind of thing to do that you you cannot I don't think get this gu I don't I've never seen that I mean no because it's a moment of real relaxation but you can go too far with this I remember Bono who I adore but he did get up before our Congress and suggest sending comedians to Isis when that [ __ ] do you remember this who you remember this it was all in the Press I forgot you remember it though I'm not making it up no I don't remember that yes and and he and he I have his statement and I again I love him but the statement is like um you know he prees it by saying I'm dead serious about this he he even blocked that passage he couldn't even see that that was very funny and I remember thinking you know why don't we try musicians first yeah everybody loves music yeah right right Isis music it's it's a nobider and then we'll send in the comedians right you take the band over there everybody loves the band you know in fact do the do what you did here remember you put the album on the computer even though we didn't ask 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Year healthier skin that's one skin heier skin say healthier and younger for longer with one skin and laughing also works I read a definition of humor which really stuck with me and what they said was that having a sense of humor is the ability to suddenly see a change of context do you like that yeah you suddenly see that it's like a pun yeah you suddenly see that there's another meaning and the people who have the most difficulty with context are people who are often very literal minded right and they can only see the one meaning so they have terrible trouble with irony I once entered into a relationship with someone who was brilliant but very literal like that it was the dumbest thing a comedian can do because you don't want someone par it's like of course that's not true it's a joke that's you know and they Wen trying to be opposite it was just like a scientific way of thinking which is fine for this person but why I did this well I know why but the literal minded are very strange because I mean we used to talk about it a lot in England for them we're strange we're strange well we're strange to them of course of course okay but you've got you've got people who don't get sarcasm and who don't get AR and who don't understand that understatement can be funny and they don't understand that you can exaggerate for purposes humor so that they just have the one meaning of what's being said which is in the case of irony the actual opposite of what the person meant it's great when a when someone in an audience heckles and they don't and it's obvious they didn't get the joke yes my my friend George Wallace used to tell this story about he was uh on stage where I started out at catch a rising star and it's July and he's uh once that gets the light he's got to wrap up his act and he says uh well I'm got to go home and take my Christmas lights down and the guy yells out you're a little late [Music] [Applause] [Laughter] pal now that's not getting sarcasm and irony is even harder to you know you're winnowing your audience the more you you know but the trouble is and I think it's one of the things where I'm not Proke is that they you now have people with very little sense of humor trying and who have difficulty with change of context trying to determine what material people with a good sense of humor are allowed to laugh it it's almost like somebody's color blind being shown a color chart and he says I can't see those colors I can't see colors there so nobody ought to be able to see them and anyone who says they can is phony oh yeah it it's it's very worrying that that kind of literal mindedness becomes serious and the more anxious people are the more literal minded they are I I couldn't agree more I'm fighting this every day yeah um but can I try to talk you into a different view of the word woke because I get what you're saying I agree literally woke used to mean alert to Injustice and who's not for that and who's who's against being kind the only thing that annoys me is that they do sentent behaviors though they invented kindness about four years ago of course right but woke itself it had a a definite racial context as it should as it should because that there was a specific group of people we needed to be more woke about yes and and of course you can always get more woke that's the thing like but for the but there there comes a point where they're just keeping their jobs being the woke police because like and they get on the cases of people who obviously are very awake to all these issues that are important to them but we're we don't bend the knee when it comes to calling out the [ __ ] right is that right well yes because I think the funny thing is microaggressions I've thought of setting up microaggression I thought of setting up an academy where people could be taught to notice micro aggression so that in the AL Cross of Life they wouldn't notice them and they'd be perfectly happy and now we can train them to be super sensitive so that when there is a microaggression they can get upset about it and try and get discredit the person who committed the I mean is this a recipe for happiness I mean the the the the level of fragility has I'm watching this uh this um series on uh I think it's on Apple I don't know streaming it so crazy forgive me if it's somebody else but I think it is it's Tom hanks's Spielberg's show about the Airmen in World War II oh yeah called masters of the air yeah problematic title but okay um so you know it's about the American bomber Wing that was in based outside of London in 1943 which suffered the most appalling casualties unbelievable unbelievable the British only flew at night I learned this in the show and they thought we were insane insane because they were suicide missions and they kind of were and they kept getting up in them that's what Catch 22 is about the the great book catch22 is yaran is a bomber pilot because that's what Jo I think Joseph hel lived that yeah and they kept raising the number of missions you know they was like if you could live if you could live through 25 missions which odds were not good you well the odds were worse than not good right I mean the odds were against you getting through the mission right but I'm saying so if you got to your 25 they and they told you well that's what you do then you can go home and then they rais it to 30 I know that to to test a man to that degree and they you know did and of course in Catch 22 he tries to tell them he's crazy because yeah that's the way to get out of it but if you know that you're crazy then you can't then you're not crazy that's cat that's some catch say oh that's some catch that catch 22 brilliant brilliant book AB also I love I like the movie do you remember the movie yes Mike Nicholls Mike Nichols 1970 that was some great stuff so um so where were we we were on something interesting before we got born what will we on oh I I I was the whole idea well what I was going to say was that the work bit that I don't agree with is the absolute opposite of stoicism now I've read a bit about stoicism and it was an extraordinarily powerful set of beliefs which is basically about you only try to control what you can control and you accept that there's an enormous amount that you can't control well that's Eastern that's Eastern it's eastern too yeah I mean it that's but I mean it was Roman senica and all that was right marus aelius they Greece that's sto the stoics were for originally Century BC Greece and then you have people like a Montaine and it always comes where people are living in societies where everything is very unpredictable and everyone's a bit scared about what's going to happen next but it's a sort of way of coping with that situation which is about being as in a sense as strong as possible whereas the wokery is is worshiping weakness it's saying you're very very weak and therefore you can control everyone else so yes Absolut of course but here's the thing about the word woke you my view on that is they lost it you can lose a word yes it used to mean alert to Injustice and we're all particularly racial Injustice particular racial Injustice and we're all down with that yeah the the word and the people who are the social justice Warriors migrated to a crazy Place many of them many of their beliefs in my view and many people's views are just 10 subway stops past where anything made sense I mean it all starts out good absolutely and then it just goes to this place and I think a lot of it is the generations always have to like be the opposite of the previous one and but also it's partly that people get an idea and then they think not that this is an important idea but that this is the only important idea you see what I mean yes like the French existentialists who've affected a lot of American Academia now who have one good idea and then say it's the only truth in the Universe like you take say say say say all language is about power well you can see all relationships of being about power if you want if it helps you can say my relationship with my cat as I'm much more powerful than my cat you know it's not the only thing I I've always maintained that there are three phases to any relationship courtesy M that's when you first know somebody like if you can't even be courteous then just nothing to build on here you know you have to establish as a human you know do you not return calls whatever any of that [ __ ] good manness right second level is power and power is when one person likes the other person more or less Whoever likes the person more has less power Y and when you get past that love courtesy power love I like that so go on about the second to third stage well the right I mean there is a time when you're like you could um become an [ __ ] because and girls do it to guys who are like completely [ __ ] whipped and like and guys do it to girls and just they just pig out on sort of having that power as opposed to renouncing it like George Washington when they offered them that third term you know just say no sometimes you just got to go hey I've had and just that's and when you love somebody you would never do that you would never Lord it over them you know um so I don't know you I mean we were talking before about like what why three relationships fail and one works I think it's be what I found is like heaven is zero pressure zero like obligation like so many guys are always feeling like you know they're they're disappointing someone and they should be doing better and they're not doing good oh my God I read this uh there was this article I think it was in the Atlantic it was oh it was a book maybe it was reviewed it was called on the Divine tedium of marriage did you hear about this did you hear about this one know oh my God that's funny I have to send you the article at least it was like a big thing for a minute Divine tedium on the Divine tedium of marriage very heavy on the tum the div I keep reading like where's the Divine part I mean this woman takes like a 300 page dump on her present husband it was like they're a lines in it like do I hate my husband oh yes absolutely and just like very matter of fact he says there's there's no married people people have married at least seven years who don't see marriage the way she is describing it um should the husband is a bore to her she she goes on and on when in the morning before he's out his coffee it's like a lump of dirty laundries on the couch really this is how she's done this is the Divine tedium and then he sneezes it sounds like a horn in your face I mean she it's like it is so bad and like there a little bit later then once in a while I remember he's the handsome Professor I fell in love with and like okay he was he's also boring he's a [ __ ] who complains endlessly about his bad knee which he says is something she uh would F have filed under not worth mentioning it is like such a shiv and like I read this and thought Oh my God but I guess that's what a bad marriage is and I know so many guys are like they just feel like they're always in the dogghouse like they're not doing enough giving enough emotionally something and uh the the lady who let you you know the important thing is is is is liking one person I believe very much a guy called Morris nichel who was trained in a sense by George G and he said you know affection lasts love can but genuine affection can continue indefinitely and that's what I think the key is if you find someone you really like yeah I mean there's some some I forget who it was there some quote like uh love can either burn or it can warm you it can't do both you know it is it is always we're all a bit crazy sometimes and if you're with someone who loves you he or she thinks oh he or she's a bit crazy today I'll just have to manage them and get them through the next 24 hours not they're a bad person you know what I mean that they're just in an odd mood today I just have to help them right it and that's affection you know maybe this is crazy I never heard any other person say this so maybe they'll kill me for this but like I've always heard that if you're in a relationship you have to know how to fight this is what all the shrinks say on television anyway you have to know how to fight I'm going to just say no uh I don't want to fight and I'll know it's the right person and you know or maybe I have experienc this where it's a mystery on this show my life but when you never fight never not not I don't want to know how to fight there should not be fights there should not be fights at all if you can sit down uh and that's important the sort of calmness of sitting down and just chatting at a nice distance not too far apart but reasonably intimate and you just lay things out this is what I do this is what I feel this is what I want you know people have difficulty saying what they want and if they could just say gently what they want it wouldn't be too hard a lot of the time to arrange that they get what they want if it's reasonable you see what I mean yeah but again it's a different way of looking at it or find someone who just like you you don't really have these fights about what you want to do because you kind of have the same taste that's right yeah I mean and then you shouldn't fight if if I don't know I mean fighting see nobody ever forget got to be able to argue but there's a difference between arguing and fighting isn't it certainly disagreeing yeah and but you have you know that's it I mean that's the whole thing is how do you get past a disagreement without it being disagreeable yeah if and if it's about like what you're doing with each other then it's too fundamental I mean we have to be happy we have to like each other I think this thing about affection is all important and I think the Trouble Is We very often drawn to people uh with for romantic sexual feelings and they're not necessarily terribly good in the long run I I was saying this to someone who was a beautiful woman was sitting there and now I'm going to say it to you which is a bit odd but I the start of a beautiful friendship I I always thought I like you is hotter than I love you yes because I love you it's of course deeper and it's important and who doesn't love love I certainly love it but there's a bit of obligation in there it's pure I like you and it's also something that like you would say at the beginning yeah so it kind of always it's always the beginning if you're still like them yeah there's a quote for you there's a song one of my musical guests from the show go ahead take it yeah yeah so that's I feel like a big secret but this you have to read this [ __ ] review or whatever is article about this book because this is the extraordinary thing is that people can take something very negative and then behave as though it's a good thing why well she's she's talking about a very negative relationship yeah and then pretending somehow that what she's doing is everyone's experience am I not right you're right you're totally right um and I I don't think she's talking about everybody I certainly know people have great marriages and they would be lost without their spouse but but um it also describes a lot of people I that you know probably younger you know maybe maybe it's just like something that we're not good at when we're younger oh absolutely because it's in the the reason that we continue as a species is that we propagate each other because we go and make the two back Beast together and produce a and produce one of those things called a child right right I happened but I heard about it uh you don't have children of course not of course I don't have children I I don't even I never like children the pope is not going to be pleased with you well no he hasn't been pleased with me for quite a while I was I was raised Catholic so I I've had my with the Pope I tell you the best thing I ever wrote in Pon python I was it was an interview a mock interview with a guy called Vice Pope Eric he' been elected on the same slate and and somebody he said is the Catholic Church isn't always in accord with Christ teaching is it and he says look he says if you're preaching a gospel of poverty and humility humility and tolerance you need a very rich powerful authoritarian organization to do it right that's Catholicism yes you know where Were You Raised sort of Church of England but that used to be called the Tory party at prayer that the Ang it was yeah it was very mild and not very intelligent but not not not not aggressively stupid that's right it was stupid not aggressively stupid thank you I just thank you you got to you got to give it up to America when it comes to aggressively stupid this podcast is brought to you by Max hey that's my network Larry David is back from one last round oh don't miss the final season of the iconic HBO original series Kirby enthusiasm streaming now on Max and it is fun than ever I can attest to 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ass off you know I have a joke about the evangelists I say why they profer for the Old Testament the New Testament the answer is cuz Christ isn't in it well I've had arguments yeah arguments with people whether Jesus was a Jew I tried to thing to say but it is good if you can make people laugh they feel affection for you well you but you did more than that because money python I was 13 when it went on American television yes so I was at that very moment in my life when I was um you know mixing Newfound puberty with what I always wanted to be a comedian so now it was like oh wow girls comedy you know it should have been music it would have been easier but why would it have been easier girls are you kidding oh they they're more impressed by music you mean we were just talking about how you know how many girls get irony you know not many as many guys do either you know I mean but yes it's a it's a it's a much more cerebral thing to connect with somebody like that I mean but look I was 13 years old like I was just you know just a gland just that by the way you that one where you're in I think it's the history of the world scene where you're [ __ ] in the classroom oh yeah maybe the best sketch it is extraordinary isn't it that sketch that is just genius my daughter was talking about it recently because it wasn't ABS ideal because you are you are always at your best when you're exasperated yes so for you to be [ __ ] aspiration is very funny in the right being angry isn't no no no you're not angry on the on the edge of you're just that's what's so funny I mean the the you know the what did the Romans ever do for us oh it's a wonder sketch like that's all you know something Bill the work people have not yet spotted that's a pro-imperialist sketch of course of course yes with but what makes it great comedy is that it's also true oh totally true and the truth is always shaded it's not onesided and that's what we are why why are we so so impatient with the woke because they don't see Nuance no or context they don't get any of that kind of [ __ ] it's all so BL literally black and white a lot of it Absolut and it's like they no they didn't get a good education because the schools collapsed so they have they don't think critically but there's a lot of people in the American universities yes who are very Pro the sort of work that you and I don't like they're insane they've got the kid they've got the kids marching for the terrorists yeah and it's because they think that people are either all good or all bad right and the moment my mother who was not a philosopher said there's good and bad in everyone and then if you ever forget that you're into trouble because the moment that people start thinking they're better than they really are then they start doing the denial and projection and seeing all their negative stuff in the people they don't like and then you've got a a paranoid confrontation between the two the kids haven't read anything longer than a Tik Tock yeah so they know everything by way of buzzwords yeah they learn these words like colonizer they don't know what colonizer as if Israel colonized that place which is of course where the Jews are from Jerusalem hello hello the Bible you know the one where Jesus was born a [Laughter] Christian I mean it's just you can't I mean I was reading the New York Times on Sunday very often has on the back page of the week and review the uh like a focus group with people like 12 people MH and I'm just reading this like thinking oh we're so [ __ ] they're just saying the dumbest [ __ ] MH and it's printed in the New York Times I know you well I used to think that was a great newspaper and I don't anymore I don't either I mean it's sad because it was like on my breakfast table when I was a kid was in my par it was what they call a newspaper record it was I mean look in many ways it's still and it I mean certainly is more successful than ever um and it has some very good columnists great columnists yes I great half a dozen yeah no I I and they cover the places in the world nobody else has a reporter that's right but it what is annoying about it is that it's not just just give me the facts there's way too much um editorializing on the front page the way the articles that are just supposed to be the fact kind of articles are slanted One Way um and I'm not even necessarily for the other side I just want someone to tell me the whole truth that's it not just like the the your version of it because you can lie by what you omit yeah and they do both sides do and they both sides do and trying to get a really accurate picture of something has got harder and harder and harder when I came to live in America which I was here from about 99 to 2008 I was saying even in those days the hard thing now is getting any reliable information yeah and of course it's been going on for years I mean when we go and watch Shakespeare's Richard thei he wasn't a hunchback that was um Lancaster aan propaganda you see what I mean so everyone's always been rewriting the Pres in order to Shakespeare just gave him that Hunchback yeah really yeah well it worked we're still we're still talking about it absolutely so you live in England now I live in hotel rooms no and I'm not joking no two years ago I was in 46 weeks in hotel rooms right now I've been in in uh um Los Angeles in NC now for 3 or four months with my daughter cuz we've been writing a lot of stuff oh and I make a point of not being in England during the winter because there's absolutely no point it's like the being in the first world war you don't know if you're going to die before it ends you so I stay out of England but I'm going back there soon and I have a lovely very silly very funny wife in a tiny little flat with four of the biggest [ __ ] fing cats you ever saw cats main Coons they are magnificent we're having a saddle made for one of them so that my wife can ride it around the flat you know no so you do have four cats we do have four cats okay and they are the most wonderful creatures they all have completely different personalities and they are of course I'm afraid preferable to children because much easier but you don't have to educate them don't argue no I mean but you love your yourid I I'm look I love my children and I I've got two very very interesting daughters and that's right and but I always remember I had a philosopher friend he was it pona and he told me he'd been to listen to a great Indian Mystic a woman and someone asked her it was a big tent you know lots of people and they said is it good to have children and she said oh yes she said they make us less selfish that's it in a nutshell that's now that is true I that I cannot deny about I I I am not the guy obviously because I didn't have kids but I see that in the people who I have that there the one thing I mean it's almost because well it is an extension of yourself that I will never feel and I somebody told me the the the Jews say this I don't know if it's just the Jews they say it's hard to be happier than your least happy child I really think that's true it's uh yeah it's hard but some parents manage it yes I'll say that some parents Soldier through that problem and and do just fine I mean there's a lot of shitty parents oh a lot of shitty much more I don't I always want to say to any young couple who are about to have a baby I always want to say this is the biggest change you will ever have in your life yes no again I I understand there's something magical there must be about having children I mean even celebrities do it I can understand and I understand why the poor people would have children but celebrities and there's got to be something [ __ ] awesome about it um and people basically I mean if you do it right to a large degree you are trading your life now yes for someone else's I mean I was with a very old friend of mine who has four children and he basically says one of them is always in trouble these are kids in their 20s and 30s now you know now last time I talked to him one of the sons was in trouble but he's okay now but now another one's in trouble so it's a kind of are they well Todo oh yeah I feel like that [ __ ] up people kids yeah well when you yeah if you're a you know but I suppose this is true you see the trouble is and this is kind sounds like a line from a character Mighty python I only know basically middle class people who are okay I don't know any very rich people because they don't interest me but I know a lot of middle class people who were quite well educated and have got enough money that's that's the cross-section that I'm familiar with but you think that with a working found me with less money there's probably more Harmony that that's the question yeah yeah it is a question I mean I I don't know you know I've been poor I was really poor like from like 18 to 27 like there was a decade there where I was living in sh one [ __ ] hole after another and just doing enough to scrape by and and then I I got like to poor and then I discovered after my third divorce what it was like and it's not too bad sorry go on no no no I I'm much more interested in that I mean it just not the Falling in Love Part I I think yes I think even the greatest love in the world like we have to be realistic I mean people do divorce or someone dies and then they find love again I don't think there's only one person in the universe is what I'm saying who would be really great for you s sorry to say it it's unromantic but I think it's kind of true am I wrong I think the trouble is we change and I think the easier people probably don't change so much who doesn't the more C well I think creative people tend to change more and as you change sometimes you well you drift apart nice pat on the back for H well I think it's true I mean I think the thing about creative people is that they tend to be more in touch with their unconscious and that's one of their problems because if too much of the unconscious comes up Bill we're in trouble you got to have about the right amount coming throw that log on our ego fire as well do you think it's an I mean being creative is not the most important thing in the world do you think so being creative yeah I think I think being creative is the most important thing in the world in eng engineering and science not in our field our field is not important it's it's nice but it's more than import I told you the SAR it's not vital we make people laugh on a regular basis you still can't you still can't cook the meat somebody had to invent fire and somebody made these lights go on and somebody made it that we're not [ __ ] wiping our ass with bark and we're living it's raining and we're not getting wet oh bar is great have you not used those are the people who I really respect honestly Isaac Newton's and the you know the I mean Steve Jobs I think you're underrating the importance of humor which is intertwined with relaxation and the calmer healthier part of ourselves I I love it I love it it's my life and and of course I my world would be devast if I didn't laugh both professionally and also just with people um but it's still not the most important thing I mean it's not more important than what than shelter and food and electricity and well yes there's a few basic things like that but you know about these blue zones yes where people live to 100 where they live to 100 I'm moving there no where are you going cust Sardinia you got Japan one of them is a uh' got Lind lindaa that's the religious one yeah they're uh adventurers Seventh Day Adventist adventurers but they're all very different two of them drink a lot of red wine Sardinia and Greece drink a lot of red wine I thought it was beans two of them are are sober I thought the one thing they all had in common was they ate a lot of beans yeah they all eat a lot of beans well but they all have a sense of community and that matters more than anything and that's not a physical thing that's a that's a psychological things there a sense of community with people you like them you feel and if there's a disaster everyone's going to come and help you out and that's exactly what's missing in America but wait you don't have a house you're always in a hotel well I got a flat but I gave it to my my wife so I don't have a I don't have a residence I don't have a car and that's okay that's all right it is wow see I couldn't do that I'm a real homebody well I mean absolutely no I wouldn't mind being a homebody but I can't afford it with the look I never made much money if you think that's funny guess what I got for the first episode of Monty py well got 280 lb yeah F first yeah everybody's first is a [ __ ] out no you started at the time when was it ever on any of the big channels it was on in channel PBS and PBS listen Jesus I said the wrong thing I'll give you the math when B Pyon used to go out on PBS in New York City for 13 shows I used to get just over $114 I got one quarter of 1% of the original fee and it came I you get a good curry with what I got for 13 bondy pythons going out so in England you didn't make the money you do in America so that would that really should be a good thing if you're having a lot of divorces because you have nothing to give away work the other way around because California says that the woman is entitled to the standard of living to which she has become right accustomed but the husband isn't he provided the new standard of living but he's not entitled to answer me this professor riddle um okay if we live in a patriarchy and we certainly have in the past I would argue way better in that area so uh but in the past we we certainly did live in a patriarchy absolutely right so it's incomprehensible why well what I mean is women have so much to contribute yes that the fact we've not been exploiting them by getting them to contribute their powers is so ridiculous oh and it's only you know like I mean a lot of these um gender and racial areas have only like sort of bubbled up into the consciousness of like yeah the vast majority of the country very recently that's the good bit about W that is and not that they're I don't know if they're really responsible for it I mean that that generation they did not do the heavy lifting no they didn't that's one of their that's one of their issues is or issues I have with them is they they don't study the past no so they don't understand in perspective what has been done where we really are what's important and and then they again there's no understanding of context if you you think sometimes that the British invented slavery oh you know and I want to say to them do you think the pyramids were built by volunteers right or were they independent contractors absolutely I I used to say it in my ACT it's it's something people did all over the world people of color were a b big part of the apparatus of the tra I mean throughout history every the Greeks the Romans the Egyptians the British all the way up to R Kelly all the way up to R Kelly's this guy who never mind but I don't know what that is it's joke Englishman didn't get yeah AR Kelly I got to explain AR Kelly he's he was a he's a singer oh he's he's who is in jail now uh he had slaves well uh I he would say [ __ ] uh to be fair was how he would not but yes it was uh it was that kind of a situation he underage he was a a sexy uh sang very sexual songs um you know he was Irish [Applause] I uh no um Kelly yes I love to see a sexual Irish song that I mean that that dancing that the Irish to the body remains absolutely immobile and everything goes around it I mean that is the most unsexual the river river Dan is that what it's oh extraordinary yeah it's extraordinary piece of skill athleticism but anything less sexual could not be imagined are you you have Irish blood in you like I do no I don't I'm English English English English English yeah yeah but what is I'm English going back how far wellan we we were an immigrant Society like everyone else I mean don't forget we were slaves I mean the Romans were with us for 400 years then we got rid of them eventually right then the French came in in 1066 the Normans who were sort of no no you missed you missed the most important one after the British the Germans oh yeah Anglo Saxons yes you're anglosaxon we're Saxony Germany we were we were Germans angles is a German tribe absolutely right and and the English language is Germanic in uh structure absolutely but Germanic and romantic which is why we have a bigger El when they came in yes 500 years after the Germans that's where you get the vocabulary as much and the Danes don't forget the Dan the Danes we were used to pay a thing called danu which was money to the day saying please don't come and kill us here when were when were when were they there that 700 yeah I guess they got the Romans you're absolutely right after that then we had the Danes then we had the Vikings from Norway then we had the French invad us when we finally got rid of the French we got the tutors who were Welsh then we got the the Stuarts who were Scottish then that line dried up so then we had a couple of Dutch people and then Germans we've hardly ever yeah but the whole point was we were a lot of the time we were slaves to the Normans you see what I mean yes for 350 years well the the main language in England at that time was French Only The Peasants spoke English so we've been slaves a lot and I want to know if there are reparations are we qualifying reparations for being slaves oh it's a naughty issue because U there's so many some people say well what about U black people here who are not African Americans right uh uh they're African something else you know um um they came here recently you know so or you know does c California has offered reparations or at least they've written about it um suggested in the legislature I believe and people have pointed out well California had no slaves yeah I know the there's a lot of hugely complicated yeah it's uh you know there are people who would say it is wrong just that we're talking about it because yes which is a really dangerous type of censorship yeah but it's totalitarianism is you mustn't mention this because you'll be in trouble well it's a way to shut people up by saying no you're not qualified to speak on it yes that's right as if two white people can't speak about no because we don't have any lived experience we're blind we're just it's like it's like but I and I will freely admit yes we are Blinder yes but that doesn't mean we're completely blind and also there's two ways you canot see something accurately one is to be too far from it which yes we are another way is to be too close good then you so there's then you can see nothing else then you can see nothing else yeah so suet M once said that in order to know your own country you have to live in another one and you sure know that huh oh yeah well I've been coming here since' 64 and I I spent 15 to 20 years my life you sound like you would be very sad not to have both in your I think we need each other you see talk about the countries yes the cultures so you like it here when you are here you like it here when you are here I like parts of it I'm very worried about what's happening at the moment and I think what has happened here which is the key to so much that's wrong is the greed that has forced people not to behave democratically I'm talking for a start about lobbyists who are people paid to subvert the yeah Will of the people and I think that uh I'm very most of the people that I'm closest to are Americans really and in England the women I'm closer to the women than I am the men because the men have got this slightly uptight you can't really talk to them at the deepest emotional level where is all my friends well you can't and that means there's a certain limit to the C you can feel affection but there's not the contact you can come here and do it yeah because you know well I like this place but I'm so worried about you guys what do you mean mean oh well well of course what you think we're not worried yeah of course you are all the people all the Americans I know are really wored I've been reading about what's going on in England the former I think Home Secretary Braverman she said the islamists are ruling the country now no last 15 years have been the worst period in English History I would say come because we no English History yes what about the Danes oh well we we weren't really England then you see of little places like wessix and meria but I mean if you go through our history I don't know we've ever in the last 200 years had a government as bad and corrupt as the 15 years of Tories we've had they've really almost destroyed the country wow because of brexit partly because of brexit but also because the people who go into politics now are not as idealistic not as unselfish the people we used to have top class people in our politics both labor and the conservatives and now we don't we have a bunch of this is what you think of of Richi tunak the current prime minister well it's just inadequate but so's hug rich and married to one of the richest women in the world I mean is he really so what's so what what's he so what's his motivation to desperately to hang on to power that's his m motivation and he's got all these conservatives around him who are not by and large very nice people and they desperate to hang on to power what is he doing lot of them are going to go to jail if the if the uh labor party come in for all the scandalous corruption we've had in the last 10 years what what is he doing that is coming new story every week to try and make the Tory case sound bad the polls are now worse for the Tories than they probably ever been for any party at any time it's and just pre previous to them well one of the things that helped them is that at the beginning the labor leader was so completely hopeless that that helped the Tories and the original idea of some of thatat's original ideas what you think of her I thought at the very beginning of her Reign I thought she did some very important things then she got carried away by ideals and finished up national izing the uh Utilities in the roil stupid British had drifted too far to the left it needed a correction yes it did okay there you go after Callahan we needed a thatcher for a few years but then is what happens is people get taken over by IDE ideologies and instead of just doing sensible things like saying what is going to give the largest number of people a decent life they they put their ideologies into uh which never seemed to work very well I just like pragmatists who just say how can we get some better housing how can we make the streets better can I give you an example this week of what happened here in America the port uh Oregon especially but mostly Portland the city that you know is very very far left very far best book shot in the world but very likely I like Portland and I think I'm going there this year but I mean it's out there so they had a program like started 3 years ago maybe or 2020 maybe um just complete decriminalization of all drugs which I always thought was kind of a good idea but I realized you know I can handle drugs lots of people can't so I don't know but whatever I think about that which I'm still debating it was just factually we know a massive failure there was like x times more deaths because it turns out drug addict you know they like drugs so they're going to use more drugs if you make it more available so that's what they did so there's an example of a you know liberal in theory it was a good theory yeah you know but well communism is a good theory exact an disaster practice and and of course because it does not conform to human M human nature absolutely right somebody said to me the other day liberalism has failed and I said [ __ ] I said Human Nature has failed right you can't come up with a system of government that we human beings can't [ __ ] up because it reflects us it reflects us yes yeah it always does so all we got to do and I think they understood this in the 18th century better than we do we have to do with the best with what we've got which is human nature yeah I mean you can't the politicians love to say things like if we only we had a government as good as the people and I'm no I'm sorry but that's exactly what we got and we don't really want to look in the mirror on that but yeah I mean I saw b a film the other day of ADI Stevenson and he was talking what this is about late 50s yeah he ran twice against Isen lost both times 52 and 56 that's right the lost to get to Eisenhower right he lost Eisenhower and he was in an audience and somebody got up and said all we need to do is to get the intelligent people in this country to get it get to get together and adly Seasons around enough but it's always been thus I think I mean I don't think there was some golden age where you know there was this enlightened Society I think there was you know no and also we're all sometimes it's a bit better for a bit we're all unenlightened in our own way yes you know so we to expect a system that really works but there certain Democratic principles is if you can get people to listen to each other listen to each other and just go on arguing eventually eventually you get rid of something even as bad as slavery yeah you know eventually it takes a long time because humans hate change when I was writing that book with Robin Skinner I came across a statistic that you will find very surprising he show me the uh chart that accur is produce for insurance companies you know they got to be very good about how long people are going to live perfect it's the money it's the money right it's about the money really accurate and then you you know I think it's uh death of spouse is 100 points losing a job is 80 this kind of a reduction no an increase in the number of rows you have with your wife every month cost you 36 points a decrease in the amount of rows you have with your wife every month costs you 36 points it's an extraordinary fact it's not change good or bad that stresses us it's change that's that's why fundamentally we're conservative with a small CA and there's so much change in the world at the moment that's why it's so Ang anxious and that's why we're all forced into what happens when you're anxious which is taking sides and black and white yeah no that makes perfect sense to me I mean it is and and again I can't like throw stones living in a glass house I can think of don't want to go into cuz they bother me but moments in my life when I shrank from The Challenge out of fear more when I was younger you know when you're more vulnerable and scared and I I mean I was the big one was I was this close to leaving College because College sucked when I first got there it was where were you Cornell oh did you know I put it on the back of your book I wrote in the blur if I had yeah I was a FY Professor there for years had a wonderful time I wrote John C is everything I love about England which is good because frankly there's not much else or something like that um but yes I was like amazed yes Cornell I spent four years yeah in that climate yes cold and uh dreary dreary and and and when I went very few few women none of which I knew how to get so it was just uh it it was and you nearly shitty skipped I so close to putting my tail between my legs and going home and I my whole life probably would have probably be working at the& now you know because uh you have to like go you have to like go through the fire to go through the change yeah and um you know so what happened I stayed and was miserable and and you know finally things got better like I finally had some friends at least junior year senior year even had a girlfriend you know I mean that to me is the hardest part of your life is that when you're out of see you're a baby to 18 that that's school you know you're sort of in this one guardianship you're live living at home then you're like an infant again in life but you're an infant as the infancy of your adult it's the same thing you're you're powerless compared to everybody else yeah you know you you just you're scared everything's scared don't know how everything works you don't know how no and you're and you're the lowest on the totem pole everywhere it's very that's the period when I was like Su not suicidal but like depressed sometimes you know like really like funky depression because you know you in my case you worried am I going to be a success right didn't you yeah I mean how old were you when Monty Python you weren't a kid you you weren't a kid when Monty Python hit right you I was that was 69 and I was I coming up 30 yeah see I mean but you see what happened that because I knew Frost at Cambridge Frosty kind ofor Frosty Frost David Frost oh David Frost he kind of picked me out my last first year Cambridge was his last and he kept an eye on me and all of a sudden he called me when I was in New York wondering what to do with my life in 1965 and he said you want to come and be in my television show so he plucked me out of complete obscurity and put me over with a couple of very good people you know Ronnie Barker Ronnie corett they were very good Comedians and that was from then on I was known on English television it was extraordinary St what show was that it was called the frost report okay and then he did called the frost PR I was his sidekick for a couple of years oh really and then I did a show for his company with Marty Felman Marty Filman with Brook Taylor and Chapman so um and then after that we got on to python then I was about 30 but what were you saying when I was when I was a kid like when I was that era like I don't know when that show came to America but David Frost was a big thing hug in this country and I remember reading about how he would take the Concord oh between like he CU he had a show in England too he was doing two shows he do one in New York every week every weeking three and a half hours I mean this is the kind of guy us and he had sideburns and a British accent and I was like this guy must you what he used to do what he used to read all his press cuttings read what only he ever read was his press cuting you mean his clippings about about him about himself really sit there with p and reading one the Concord Beach fre backwards and forward I was very fond of him but he was people once said he wasn't very liked in England because he was too like in America and the answer was he was almost purely extrovert and by and large Americans are more extrovert the English are more introvert used to be I don't know what it is now in my tween mind which is when he was in my life right um I was looking for male role models again Everything is Everything is influenced by the coming of puberty now it's like I'm looking at women differently I'm looking at men differently I'm like and like you know Johnny Carson Dapper cool but yeah of course something what can I relate to verbal funny you know I'm not a guitar player so like David Frost was like yeah that like yeah I do that believably famous in England for a period of about three or four years Dapper it was like when you were a kid you want to be a grown man right and that's like okay this is a grownup like he's doing a very grownup thing you know but he's still like you know and and he kept he played ever so slowly you realize that almost no one is grown up right no I knew he was smashing Dal Lama I think is a grown up right not many of them donly llama has a couple of really hard ass quotes like he's got one on immigration that you swear it was Trump what I can't remember it exactly but it's the doll and it's something like immig like if there is no work for them they should go back to their own country or something something yeah something very like don't you and I you won't believe this but I interviewed him once and first of all yeah and I have to tell you he's not used to being interrupted oh I'm sure so he goes on a little bit but when I asked him about homosexuality no just like that I was astonished no don't ask or no don't do it no do don't do it don't do it oh absolutely completely against it but I still think there's a small number of grown-ups but they're a tiny tiny proportion and they're certainly not in politics look I have friends who are Buddhists I'm sure you do too and look I'm even though I made that movie religionist and do not think religion is good because it's stupid and also dangerous I very respectful of all my religious friends and I was raised Catholic I get the whole drill but it does bug me when the Buddhist say we're not a religion really uh well that's just a technical thing about a don't see there's a God okay when the head dude says no [ __ ] in the bad in the naughty place that you're a religion there's my rule on whether you're a religion or not the trouble is that you start out a religion with someone who's probably a bit special and then it gets taken well a little more advanced a little more spiritually Advanced okay and then what happens is it gets taken over by the people who aren't yes right it's like a them again them bridge and tunnel crowd always sneaking into our [ __ ] ashram where we're communing with the great Robin Skinner said when he founded the um Institute of family therapy he said the first generation were people who cared enormously about these ideas and wanted to expand the ideas and they sat at the feet of the people who knew about it and then they learned and they were in by the time you get to the fourth generation the people are coming because there's a good dental plan [Laughter] you see what I mean oh I do so you get the Roman Catholic Church is teaching this wonderful teaching of Christ which we only get a tiny bit of because there a bit in Matthew which no one ever talks about when one of the disciples says to him Jesus why don't you tell the multitudes of stuff that you tell us it's the most interesting ver in the whole of the New Testament he says why don't you tell them what you tell us and we don't know what he was telling the disciples and that's just a very partial partial and what do we imagine Revelation and what do we imagine that is I imagine it's some kind of esoteric uh mind training really which I believe it that Jesus partook him well I scraped the surface of it but I don't of the dedication but I think it is it is people I think people who who like the Buddhist contemplate um compassion I think they finish up more I knew an incarnate llama quite well and I just knew he was on a different level from me really we were sort of friends in as much as somebody at a lower level can be a friend of someone at a higher level but you really thought he was at a higher level oh I don't know the slightest doubt about it he leared an almost completely unselfish life of of a kind that I don't think we could we could imagine and I soio rushi and he wrote the oh he he wrote with one of two helpers the uh Tibetan book of living and dying and I always thought he was an extraordinary person and I met one or two others like the guy who was in charge of the G thing years ago I fellow called lord lord Penland there are people around who are a bit special on operating at a higher level than we are but AR and they were born that way or they got that they they were drawn to it which is a a and you get there through meditation they got there through particular thing called spiritual exercises which all Traditions have it you never about and you you do it no but if it's so great too lazy okay all those things this Cricket on the television I don't have time for proving myself when I can watching play cricket but this uh this uh Swami m m that you just described who's on this other level yeah in fact he don't even need a chair when he's he just shut up you want he was he was just a very special very loving man if if you had de devoted your life to it like he did you think you could be on his level and do you think you'd be happier and how would your wife feel about it well I wouldn't have a wife right um there one good reason to do it I don't have the dedication and I've always been a total diletante I wrote two books with sard on psychology with a famous therapist now what other comedians ever wasted his time i' made no money out of him all because you're a comedian who's a true intellectual that's that's I'd like to be an intellectual but I don't have the brain part oh stop I have the abent mindedness I've got that licked no I mean it's all through your work but it's just I know I could I know that I'm quite intelligent and so sometimes I you're going to be interested in different things yeah I exactly and if you're a generalist then that means you don't can't give specific precise examples like a scol cat right but I do think I've got a few interesting things to say and I don't think it's impossible to try and them on Twitter so I'm going to give substack a chance of oh great and do do you I do oh I didn't on substack no I don't write on it but I read it yeah I mean it's a different isn't it it's Freer Freer and and it's like like people ask me what are you you know what are you reading now if you you know you're down on the times well you know like we say there's good and bad there at the New York Times um but what I feel like there's a group of writers and U people who are I would I don't want to say the word think like us but yeah kind of things like us like it's soci understand what science socially liberal but not woke stupid yes that's right um fiscally sane uh but never cruel yes you know is it really that hard this formula and I feel like apparently it is apparently it is and and it's just amazing how many people want to just maybe it's your fear thing they just want to go to the the team everything is decided by what does the team say what Does The Hive say and I like I don't want to be part of the hive most people are very very scared of not going along with the majority you remember those Solomon Ash experiments problem is there's two in the 50s about obedience one of his we had an experiment in like with the prison guard thing well that that was one but there was another one that was much more interesting which was and he just got a group of people and he said we want to show you some very simple pictures I think in those days it was on a on a sort of easel and we want you to tell them what do you think this line is longer than that line right and there were about six people in the room and five of them were plants only one guy who was a genuine okay subject so they were studying him and the others all looked at the picture of the line being stronger along one line longer than the other and they all said that the shorter line was longer and the first first time the guy said no I think the other line is longer he was right by the second time he was really doubting by the third time he was agreeing with the others and saying that the shorter line was longer now what the point was there was no pressure on him there was no physical threat there was nobody saying anything other than just tell us what you think but by the third attempt he had come in conform with everyone else that's a very strong for you know I'm sure doing the books you've done on psychology you come across not just this example but so many examples of the human mind being so not up to the job yes in some way and you wonder how are we still here is it some kind of Miracle because yes you might 75 years since both Russia and America had the Adam bam 75 years I don't want to jinx it tonight but you know and only more countries are getting it or I mean but the trouble is we're more and more powerful with our technology and in the old days we could only harm a certain number of people at a certain time now we could Wipe Out the planet which is what been saying we could Wipe Out the planet since 1950 yes yeah and somehow that held because there was mutalist destruction mad right yeah except now some people have the bomb what if they don't care about dying that's the worry you know they once asked Obama what kept him up at night and he kind of avoided the question when they pressed he said Pakistan because they have nuclear weapons and they could easily be taken over by a radical Islamic group yes I mean that's not racism woke ass that's just the truth you know again the problem with wokeism like people having to as I just did like note that no we're allowed to have this adult conversation about real things and talk real [ __ ] about real countries and real problems and that ideology is a real problem still in the world well any fundamentalist yes doesn't matter what the religion is correct it's the fundamentalist who are right they literal minded but there's just more of those fundamentalists yeah than there are any easier than well there's more of the Christians are not as fundamentalist they were 500 years ago but the evangelists are pretty evangelist yeah but they're not violent no they're not violent they might be at some point but they're not like but are they not po now showing that they think that it is legitimate to use violence for political purposes more people saying it is more more yes that's the Saro thing I was saying before about Saro it could happen yeah it absolutely could happen because when people get to the point where we basically are now where you see the other political party or the other really it's just two tribes you know the red and the blue whatever you want to call it liberals conservatives we know who we are people know who they're voting for already all right when you get to the point where each party each group thinks the other one is an existential threat absolutely they both learned that word and love it yeah that if this person if this group gets in and you see the derangement because like Biden's been in office three years really is anything really that different the [ __ ] economy didn't crash I mean there's there's actually nothing that big to complain about no like like I don't think he he has not at all look I desperately want him not to run again um but I think he did fine whe things were could have been better of course but like to to be apoplectic about it it's just it's almost like a facts don't matter they have the narrative before you can't say facts anymore because if you say a fact that is contrary to some woke ways of thinking then the the totalitarian woke people were coming guy I was talking you recently told me there'd be more academics sacked in recent years than there were during the McCarthy ier yeah I can believe that and that's how powerful no I can absolutely that wing of the work party which is totally totalitarian I I did a TV series with some interviews that nobody knows about it's actually if I may plug it it's on YouTube and uh they're 45 minute programs and some of them I think are very good one's on work one's on religion one's what is it on where can I get it was called it was called a dinosaur hour and it was on a right-wing Channel cuz they came to me and they said you can do anything you like where can I see it on YouTube YouTube oh okay of course and the one on woke is very good but there's also one on religion which is very interesting just just type in John just just type in the dinosaur the dinosaur and and uh you'll see me there being interviewing but not celebrities by and large just interviewing very well-informed people and and and some of the ideas coming across there in the way people saying lovely things like this sort of stuff we should have seen more on television but hardly anyone saw it because it was on this right-wing Channel which is very unpopular oh it probably deserves to be unpopular too oh no I what a treat I nothing wrong with right wi provided an intelligent well read bill Crystal right one of the great conservative intellectuals on Trump that's the sort of Republican I will talk to anytime if he'd talk to me um I know him he's done my show I can put you guys together I mean I'm sure he'll be extremely highly intelligent totally decent person who one disagrees with okay um sure I like bill um I mean there's a lot of conservatives who I I respect greatly and have I George Will who I adore and and I don't always agree but when I we finally came on real time the first thing I said to him is you make my you make me be honest about my liberalism yes because I would read things that were like he he is a meticulous researcher and he never prints anything that isn't true so it's just that side that you weren't getting from the other and You' be like oh wow I didn't know that part of it yeah and he also is a amazing that's a good phrase I didn't know that part of it because everyone writing is exposing one line of thought and leaving out the important stuff everything's like a trial with the two lawyers not carrying what the truth is don't care about the truth they care about what they can get the jury to vote with them for when when the voting comes about very good analogy yes and you know a party fails when the people say well you're not really acting like my lawyer you know that's like a big the immigration thing is for a lot of people and look I love immigrants and we need to have more immigrants but I mean not more not more but like immigrants but not in the way we're doing it no one would disagree with that but uh H I forgot what I was going to say anyway well I think we just got on to something very very interesting because it is well it's it's a an extraordinar important time and we don't know what's going to happen but I think if Trump is elected he will go ahead and do what he says which is he basically destroy America as a liberal democracy well he he certainly makes no bones about uh yeah um by the way he was ranting about me oh was he he does it all the time oh how wonderful it is wonderful he he did did he always uh is amazing he hates me and and I think the last line of it was something like don't watch a show he constantly watches and then like he said he's always he always accidentally watches it and then Bill M low ratings piece of [ __ ] he's the worst he's the worst and he you know failed his CNN just like I'm not even on CNN yet we're just doing a experiment it's just well the extraordinary thing is not that a society produce somebody like Trump and you know the real giveaway he doesn't have a pet a pet and he doesn't laugh and he doesn't laugh what sort of psycho would you let in your life of any capacity let alone leader who didn't laugh and didn't have a pet tell someone who's even less mentally health than him right right but if that happens that happens and I'm looking for I want to get out of it now because I think England is is hopeless in my lifetime so you I've got maybe 10 years more do you have dual citizenship no no I just I'm a British citizen but I live in hotel rooms and uh and they allowed you I mean you're a icon so they're not going to say you can't be in our country but like they you could I have to have a word viser and all that kind of thing like you get unlimited amount of days uh no I'm allowed to come here they're pretty good about me I've been coming here since 64 so I think they know I'm not a terrorist you know I mean tell tell the people it's Security on give me the pat down if there was you know what I like doing pretending I'm really enjoying [Laughter] it ask him to do it again pretending right John but uh so you've been G here since 1964 yeah 1964 I came here with a show that ran on Broadway for 3 weeks what was that it was called um Cambridge SU got great reviews and Walter Kerr loved it Walter Kerr but the New York Times didn't and so that killed it Stone and then I messed around here for a year wondering what I was going to do with my life and then Frost called and then I went off and became a TV but I it's funny it's the it's the writing that I love the acting is kind of something that in a limited range I can do very well but I never feel I've done a proper day's work if I've written something I feel like like a kid I hand in my my I did something yeah the writing ier and I'd like to do that it's just the writing isn't very well paid so like when you wrote your movies did did was it a six people in a room writing it no we discovered very early on or I discovered very early on that it's okay to brainstorm in a group but you have to have a maximum of three and ideally two people who go away and actually put down the definitive version on a on on a piece of paper so who wrote um holy gra uh Graham Chapman and I wrote about 40% of it Michael and Terry wrote about 40% of it uh Eric wrote The Brave of Robin S um and then there was some anation from Terry Gilli what about Life of Brian again pretty much the same the greatest movie ever made wasn't it wonderful I know I shouldn't say it but I love it I'm turning it into a stage play I'm turning adapting it to a stage play talk about ahead of its time the the gag about Loretta oh I want to be a woman outrage and I want to have babies and it's like it that's a that itself is a study extra from 1979 to 2024 something goes from gag like laugh out loud funny so ridiculous to how dare you not and look I understand but you see when we had a readr of an original script in New York with some really fine performers and I said afterwards I said okay guys I'm glad you liked it give me some advice they said you got to cut that scene where um whatever Eric's character says he well I said why and they said we won't get away with it I said you mean all the people who been laughing at it for 40 years are going to suddenly say we shouldn't be laughing at it anymore and not going to buy tickets this very hard to get a finger on what it's all about and you've said on your show many times that if you stand up to these totalitarians they don't have anywhere to go except to get you fired and that's why people like us need to speak out cuz we're not frightened about getting it cost me my social um media lady advises me it's cost me a lot of money that I put stuff out there of the kind that you and I do because all the manufacturers are worried oh yeah they're going to lose some business I'm I'm never going to be selling Pontiacs you never I just don't think this in the car no endorsements no endorsements that's the price we paid but rather be of course authentic not even close first of all in the long run we wouldn't still be working like well we want to work because the audience wouldn't be there if we had sold out so maybe we didn't actually lose it we didn't really lose any money at all it doesn't matter because the main thing is if you can not be frightened of being fired then you have to speak out for what you believe in yeah you know well I was fired and I am frightened of it but you know it's okay to be I thought you were back on television again I was I was fired in 2002 I mean 2001 after 911 uh that show Politically Incorrect but uh I always live in fear of firing but it's like in war you know if two soldiers are talking and the sergeant says you n you're scared Corporal uh no sir well you should be you should be scared when you go to war and you should be scared when you're doing a show you should be scared into being good yes scared of being bad scared of being bad yeah right humiliating yeah you literally die in front of millions and you know the funny thing is all comedians most my daughter Camila she's a standup comedian we always laugh about the fact that if there's one person there sitting in the audience oh I know you cannot take your eye off them it's it happened to me recently yeah yeah front row and I'm like just the things that go through your head like why are you in the front row this was that's the question I don't know what this was different sometimes I know what it is it's uh a liberal lady has dragged her super conservative husband to the show and so he's like I don't want to see Bill Mah but the old battle ax wants to go see her boyfriend Bill Mah so he's so he's like this you know and then I can always loosen him up because I do a lot of material that's anti-woke and it's like oh okay this guy's not so bad and then I go back to bashing Trump and telling you what your [ __ ] traitor you are if you don't believe in democracy and blah blah and then it's like but this guy was like was like a millennial and I don't know what his problem was uh didn't see just like and I was just like but is this like a thing to like try to get me off my game cuz you didn't and of course and you can't forget them no I forget it I I saw it I saw it a second time I saw it a third time I was like okay that's you know I got a laugh once when there was somebody like that in the front row and I suddenly stopped in the middle of the show and I said look I know you're not enjoying this I'm really sorry I wish you were enjoying it right but you're not right and I don't mind you sitting there with your arms crossed wow right had a very straight face but do you have to sit in the front row right because they're always in the front row you said that yeah that's awesome and what did he say I can't remember I think he kind of noded and said so well I'm enjoying bits of it I said I said to him why didn't you leave I said you'd be happy I be happy no no I'd like to I mean I I both love that and I wouldn't give him the satisfaction that's the way probably no it was weakness on my part but you know you if someone's in the front row doing that either he's not you said what I wanted to say or he's an engineer that could be another reason why he sitting there like that but the thing is if you don't then make it funny then you just you know yeah but it's if you do it in a certain way I mean one guy did leave at my invitation but I asked for a hand of a round of applause and he got very warm Round of Applause as he walked out to the theater because we were so saying it's all right You' like it you come somewhere you're going to have a better time nothing wrong with that you know I remember in catch a rising store in the early 80s when someone would leave like unceremoniously we would pretend to be on the PA system well all homosexuals please leave the auditorium well all homosexuals and that in that era was not a it was not a hate crime it was just a joke just a joke it was something boys did yes and I don't think anybody died and I love my gay friends but you know you should have had Graham Chapman on because he would have hated woke I mean I worked with Grove for yours see the Dead one M the Dead one the Dead one gay and dead oh he was gay yeah he was gay from he's Brian yeah wonderful as Brian he was King Arthur wonderful extraordinary actor but he was gay as anything and he couldn't stand that woker stuff I hope that I don't know where you are with your bandmates but like there is such a emotional element to the bands that we grew up with when we were young and again Mony python I was 30 it was very similar it was like comedy as a rock band it was kind of like again this volcano for me because it was two things I liked and um you know want to think of the Bands as fighting it's like Mommy and Daddy you know I don't I want I want Simon and Garfunkle you know yeah to love each other you know it's just this thing because you know I don't want John and Paul to be fighting no but the trouble is well we don't understand two things one is that we're like brothers I hope so what I mean is we stand up for each other if anyone attacks us but we still have all sorts of the rivalries and difficulties that brothers would have with them the other thing is that a team is a great team is full of people with different skills right not the same skill oh absolutely and what happens with people at different skills is that over the course of their life they diverge right Michael Pan goes off and makes those excuse me travel programs I found them riveting too you did they're actually U I love him yes oh he's lovely and those programs are sponsored by the American um insomnia host SNL was great yeah no he's very good but then Eric's the Musical one Terry gillams the visual one Jonesy could do everything so you had everybody different things he did the Russel which was excellent I'm so good but his great strength was music and that didn't happen until late on in Python because the first three series had very little music just remember that just in Planet evolving reol not as good as the Galaxy that is the Galaxy song that is the Galaxy oh so it is sorry i s you were doing um no and some of the some of the statistic It's a Wonderful Stone it's brilliant and the numbers are not that far off although they've changed a little since he wrote it I I I read re read recently that they now think there are two trillion galaxies galaxies each with I know I know I mean ours has 400 billion stars um what do you think about like The Big Bang Theory like not the show the actual Theory um like I don't pretend to understand it I've never been as interested in space as I am in but you know it roughly what it is no no it's inconceivable the the figures are conceivable it obsesses me the idea of a how far is a light year it light goes around the planet what is it six and a half times no it's in the song and I can tell you what it is light travels at 186,000 miles per second yes and Lightyear is a measure of distance it's the distance light goes in a year at that speed that's I mean I don't it doesn't interest me what interests me is what's the meaning or purpose of it all so you didn't watch the Jennifer Lawrence movie where they're on the trip to the other planet and he wakes up I don't watch space things they don't interest me all right listen to this plot they're they're going to the other planet because they [ __ ] earth right so the but the trip takes 90 years because it would right to actually get to if we found a planet we could live on but it would be 90 years away so they put them in the pods where they just suspended for 90 years so they'll they'll be wake up and they'll be people to populate the new planet but they have to sleep for 90 years so they're all and of course what happens if they leave something behind so the the computer is running the ship right nobody's asleep and then one of the Pod fails and a guy wakes up and he's like you know he's alone on the ship for like you know he lasts about 3 weeks and he's like I'm making one of these [ __ ] up and you know he finds the cute girl and then opens her pod that's the movie do you want to see it now no okay I haven't convinced youed in space I'm interested in what goes on down here and what a complete [ __ ] disaster dude okay but it is mindboggling and there's something sometimes stimulating about boggling your mind well I Boggle it in the other direction cuz for example you might be amused to know I have a psych K who was found by my wife lovely woman lives an hour outside London and I was talking to her today on the phone and she knows things that she can't possibly know about me and my life right I don't know how she knows me the thing with the animal no um it just it I don't believe that we scraped the surface of knowing what's going on I think the trouble with the scientists is they don't like anything that they can't explain my analogy so they sweep it under the carpet my analogy was always that we have five senses which is like yeah you it's like we're we're a radio station that can uh we're a a radio that can pick up five stations that's right but there are some other stations that are broadcasting and it it looks like some people can pick up yeah one of those far away stations like Atlanta on a clear night yeah like a little better than other people can I don't know I mean but that's the point people have different talents and just so some people can throw a basketball more accurately than almost anyone else can or other people who can pick stuff up that no one else knows about but how do we explain the psychic Talent how do we explain that someone know I don't think we can because we don't understand them because scientist but it must mean that there's some brand connection going on that we can't me I think there's something I think the Consciousness is some extraordinary thing that exists out there and that our brains don't generate Consciousness our brains are like a television set they we don't produce the program in the television set the television set allows us to access the program that's out there see what I mean and I think that this trans transmission Theory it's called I think that's what it's about I think there's stuff out there I think when you get these what used to be called idios who can do extraordinary things with prime numbers they can't calculate those somehow those already out there and they have Minds that can connect with what's out there yes and that for me is far more interesting and into the space and the conversation I had today with this psychic where two of my oldest friends appeared and I appeared to talk to them a came out what do you mean appeared she said who's Graham I said he's probably is he Graham Chapman she says she's going on about a PO pipe po pipe I said yes he always smoked pipe then she said he's rolling up his trouser Lake and I said oh that's that's a sketch we did about the Freemasons when they wouldn't she have seen that sketch she saw it no why it was I know she didn't but it was it was broadcast it was broadcast once or twice and what was the other thing well the other thing an example she couldn't have known was that she was talking to my wife who discovered a about a thing that had happened when my wife was with her parents opening birthday presents or Christmas present as you describe one of the presents and I I promise you until you experience it until you hear the the things that are coming back you think there's no explanation in science for this the scientists hate it so much they pretend it doesn't happen because they can't explain it there are de bunkers who will say but uh I'm I'm going to be agnostic on this one uh because there are things that just are so inexplicable that's right and I don't want any want to say oh I believe that I want people to say have an open mind and look at it and see what you think of the evidence because some of the evidence is extraordinary there's a guy who does an act I mean it is an act I've SE it's on a stage in fact he uh performs as part of Barbara strand's stage show you know when she does a live performance I've seen him and he he does Mentalist things that yes I don't know how it would people in the audience who and he writes it down you know like just think of the thing and and you can tell when someone is a plant and it would just so that like is very hard to explain well I'll give you another ex example because the first time she said to me who's Graham and I said he's the guy I used to I know but everyone knows him who watches Monty Python that's yeah but now let me tell you this she said the first time he's waving a parrot at me we wrote that skip the second time she said I think I could do this job the second time she said to me but he's now W he not he's waving somethingone like a monkey and I said a monkey I can't she said well it's got a sort of stripy tail and I said oh that's a ringtail monkey I have a species of ringtail mon of of monkey of um lemon named after me you do yeah why cuz a Swiss biologist who discovered the new species asked if he could name it's called clesi's woolly Lemma he he actually exists on matter guess oh a fan he was a fan yeah he was a fan but he was a biologist he said can you name it but nobody knows you look at me why are you asking me why I Havey let me tell you the key thing which was that he she said what he's he's sh this to me and I said yes and he say it's he says that it's named after you does that mean that the Lemma is called John and I said no it means that uh that species of lemur is named after me it's cus W Lima there's no way she would have known that that is obscure I'll give you that are you sure it wasn't in 25 things you don't know about me in Us magazine cuz it's the kind of thing that might get in there just [ __ ] yeah but you see what I want all I want to people to do is to say I don't mind looking at this I don't I don't believe it I don't disbel it I want them to be interested and they're not interested let me tell you this there's a brilliant guy in London who had a meeting with with Dawkins and um rer sheld and when they met to discuss these ESP these um inexplicable things um Dawkins said I don't believe a word of it and and and rer sheld said but I sent you a lot of the stuff a lot of the evidence and what Dawkin said I didn't bother to read it cuz I know it's rubbish that is a deeply unscientific I agree and I like him and he's a friend and he's I like him yeah I'm a witness to his will no no he's SE can yeah now he can be uh I mean he is exactly who he is the the English Professor yeah um but but he's the English Professor with a very zealous point of view yes yes and and science should be about skepticism well it is I mean he's he's primarily not about that issue the relig he wrote The One book The God Delusion great book that's a whole book yeah there's a whole book but he's got 12 other books they're all he's an evolutionary biologist that's what he does that's what he cares about he's a he's a true science nerd he wouldn't know a joke if you hit him in the head with it I mean at least he didn't when he was sitting here I mean I've been out with him he's a sweet guy but he is a professor and he is a serious person and that is not what he wanted to have his life defined by of course not but it's some people do it's his jealousy his zetis what's the word zeal it's it's e got him into this position well look I don't believe in Gods but I there are phenomena again there are people who will be terribly disappointed me hearing me say this but uh I've said it before I know a lot of people rather I've heard stories from people who I trust who were not drunk they're not crazy and they had some ghost story to lack of a better friend yeah some and I'm like and I grilled them as hard as I could and they're it's not about their religious it's not it's not religious thing no it's just something made that chair move or whatever it was it was an experience what they think it was an experience or something they saw and they like were you dreaming like no no no I wasn't I I looked at that I wasn't dreaming and we all know when we're in a situation where we it could be you don't you don't like drop off a sleep immediately at the top of a Stairway or something you know that's where you saw it you're going well I fell asleep in two seconds getting up the stair no and so drunk no I know when I'm drunk yeah um you know so I don't know I'm not going to close the door on anything I love it because you said I don't know and I don't know for sure but I have heard people tell me things very bright people very often academics and I've I've had one or two very mild experiences myself and I think this stuff is fascinating but you don't want most most scientists don't want to talk about it because they don't like to admit they don't know does it make you fearful or hopeful about hopeful dying hopeful because you well I had a conversation as I said today with two of my old friends and one of my Ex-Wives again that just seemed almost as though I was talking on stuff that nobody else could really know nobody could really know know it and the things about the that's happened in the last few days that nobody knows wouldn't be in the paper are you on good terms with all your exes with all your exes yeah particularly the Dead one worst joke I ever made on stage I went out one day and I was feeling mischievous and also she had died Barbara had died and uh I said I'm a little sad today oh said yeah I've said one of my Ex-Wives died few days oh I said and it was the wrong one really yes there's a there's a naughty school boy in me that I can't quite keep under control and I think I should naughty school boy who's made you rich and beloved I'm sorry you lost all your money beloved it made my ex-wife Rich well that was that was your thing you got into the um I I don't I never they see that's why I never got married I never understood why uh it was necessary to involve the federal and state governments in my love life oh very good you know what do you remember Mark Twain's definition of a marriage no friendship recognized by the police yes isn't that a beautiful somebody else def what somebody else define marriage as um a brother sisterly relationship with occasional Outburst of incest that's very good Prett good Mark Twain said vogner's music is much better than it sounds yeah magnificent joke stands on it own there's never been a joke like that I have a book I've had it forever like it's called the Algonquin wits oh yes and it's just all those piy epigrams and George calman witty you know epit for a waiter remember that God finally caught his eye that's awesome yeah all the ones from darthy Parker and R Ben and of course some of them are apocryphal we don't know some press agent could have written some of those you know theur that's the sad thing there's always the Churchill stories that you know and you madam I I'm drunk when I eat your [ __ ] you know whatever his thing was and in the morning I shall be sober yeah that all you know did he say it I know and you never know but the thing is when you hear that it's good laughter Oh but wi which you have blessed us with all these years but I've also so Lov slapstick I saw a clip the other day um Peter far's think about the Three Stooges I laugh myself all they were doing was hitching each other well English I almost fell off the sofa was always like high and low yes Shakespeare right yeah like fart joke and then you know to be or not to be but then you know a dick joke I mean there there's dick jokes and fart jokes and there's like the low and think that tradition continued I mean there's some British comedy honestly really makes me roll my eyes oh yeah what Benny Hill and then there's Monty Python I kept it for two hours I can't believe it but I I can't believe neither one of us had to [Music] pee give me a lot to think about you I so I suppose I have to go home now yeah oh

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Length: 136min 24sec (8184 seconds)

Published: Sun Mar 17 2024