Joe Rogan: "AI is A Turning Point in Human Civilization"

politicians are so flawed if there's anyone that's vulnerable to AI it's politicians because if politicians are coming up with these ineffective strategies for handling all these social issues but then you throw these social issues into an advanced form of chat GPT and it says over the course of 10 years this is the best case scenario for this strategy and this is how to follow this and this is how it all play out and something like that actually could be very valuable if it wasn't directed by people with ulterior motives so yeah I call it my metaphor for this is the ring of power right from Lord of the Rings the whole point of the Ring of Power was like once you have the ring of power it corrupts you you can't help but use it right and so and this is I think what we've seen in social media over the last decade right which is when people get into the activists or politicians get you know this is the Twitter files right sure get in a position to be able to influence the shape of the public narrative they will use that power and they will use it in actually even very ham-fisted ways right like a lot of the stuff that's in the Twitter files and stuff that's just like really dumb yeah right um and it's just like well why would they do that and it's just like well because they could right because they had they had the ring of power like what's an example so what was it there was this thing I forget what it was but there was some reporting that went through the FBI that there were all these Russian you know basically fake accounts on Twitter and it turned out one of them was the actor Daniel Baldwin what is Daniel Baldwin like a hardcore right winger or something I you know he must have been saying you know it's again it's one of these things where he said something to pissed somebody off right it got him put you know it's the whole thing you got to put another list right right the list gets fed through one of these bureaucracies it comes out the other end that everybody's a Russian you know asset you know they get put on the block list it's like okay you know did he have you know do you have First Amendment rights do you have First Amendment rights on social media can the government be involved in this can the government fund groups that do this right is that legal is that allowed because there's a lot of government money flowing to third-party groups oh this is the other thing if the government cannot legally do something itself it's somewhat ambiguous as to whether they can pay a company to do it for them uh-huh right and so you have these various basically pressure groups activist groups University quote-unquote Research groups um and then basically they receive Government funding and then they do you know various levels of censorship or other kinds of unconstitutional actions because in theory right there they're not government right the first amendment binds the government it doesn't bind somebody who's not part of the government but if they're receiving Government funding does that effectively make them part of the government does that make it illegal to provide the government funding by the way these are felonies it is it is it is is a felony for somebody to with government resources to uh with either employee of the government or under what they call I think it's color of law sort of within the scope of the government to deprive an American citizen of First Amendment rights and there's a considering depriving some of the First Amendment rights by limiting their use of social media has that been established so I mean it has not been to my knowledge of Supreme Court case yet there have been some early fights on this but you feel like that I think ultimately goes to the Supreme Court my guess would be ultimately what happens is the Supreme Court says the government cannot fund the government cannot it's self cause somebody to be banned on social media that's unconstitutional um uh for First Amendment grounds but then also I I believe what they would say if they got the case um would be that that the government also cannot fund a third party to do that same thing um that's my speculation how were the third parties censoring people how were they doing it oh they were passing lists right so they were they had you know direct contact Direct Channels with the social media companies and so they you know they pass and they have these working groups and there's a lot of this is in like email threads that have now come out in the Twitter files you know for Twitter and and so they basically pass in these lists of like you need to take all these tweets down you need to take down all these accounts wow um and then you know there's lots of three you know threats and lots of public pressure and bullying that you know kind of takes place um and then you know the politicians are constantly complaining about you know hate speech and misinformation whatever putting additional kind of fuel on the fire on these companies and so anyway so having lived through that for a decade as I have across multiple companies um I think there's no question like that's that's the big fight for social that's a big fight for AI like and it's exact same fight by the way it's a lot of the same people are now pivoting from their work in social media censorship to work on AI censorship so it's a lot of these same groups right and it's a lot of these same you know same activists and same government officials that have been now are they involved in all of the I mean there's many competing AI models are they involved in all these competing AI models are trying to become involved is there one that's more ethical or more likely to avoid this sort of intervention so the state of the art right now is basically you've got Google that's got their own model you've got basically openai which is a new company but already quite large and then it has a partnership with Microsoft and so bang is based on yet so that's two and then you've got a bunch of kind of contenders for that and these are companies with names like anthropic inflection that are newer companies but trying to compete with this um and so those are you might call those like right now the big four at least in the US um uh and you know look the the you know the the folks at at all of these companies are like in the thick of this fight right now um and you know the pressure somewhat corresponds to which of these is is most widely used but so it's not equal pressure applied to all of them but they're kind of all in that fight right now and by the way it's not like they're like necessarily opposed to what I'm saying is they they they they may in fact just want to cooperate with this you know either because they agree with the desire for censorship or they just want to stay out of trouble so so so there's that whole side of things that's the company side of things um and then there's an open source movement right and so then there's all these people basically Building open source AIS um and and those those are coming out really fast now there's like a new one every week that's coming out um and this is just code that you can download off the internet that does sort of a smaller version of what these bigger AIS do um and there's open source developers that are trying to develop basically free versions of this and some and some of those developers are very determined they have ai actually be be free and uncensored and and fully available to to everybody and then there's a big fight happening in Washington DC right now where the companies working on AI are trying to get what what economists call regulatory capture so they're trying to basically get the government to erect barriers um so that new startups can't compete with them um and also they're trying to get open source banned so there's a big push underway to try to ban open sources as being too dangerous too dangerous too dangerous well the the the the the the the case they make is if you believe AI itself is inherently dangerous then the only safe way to have it is to have it owned and controlled by a big company that's sort of fused with the government where in theory everything is being done responsibly and if you just have basically free AI that anybody can download the internet and use whatever they want they could do all these dangerous things with it right and it needs to be stopped using this is a argument yes well yes I think this is a very bad evil yes this is a very uh I think this is a turning point in human civilization you know I think this is on par with the development of the book right or the microchip or the internet right um and you know there were authoritarians in each of those eras that would have loved to have had total monopolistic or cartel-like or government control over those new technologies and they could have had a lot of control over the over the the path of civilization you know after that point the ring of power right they could have had the ring of power so what can be done to prevent them from stopping open source so I mean it's it's sort of there I mean so it starts with our elected officials and so it's you know who do we who do we who do we elect who do we you know who do we elect who do we re-elect um it then a lot of this is the Staffing of the various government agencies you know who do those officials get to a point uh a lot of this is who are the judges who are going to hear the cases because this is all going to get litigated right and so who's on this you know the Supreme Court's in the news this week this there will be huge Supreme Court cases up on this topic over the next several years so who's in the Supreme Court will matter a lot um and then quite honestly it's you know big question is who's going to be able to get away with what sort of undercover of Darkness right are people going to Care are they going to speak up is it going to show up in polling are people gonna you know basically show up at like you know Town Hall meetings with politicians and basically say do you know about this and are you going to stop this

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Length: 7min 54sec (474 seconds)

Published: Mon Jul 24 2023