Jocko Willink - What We Should Consider When Going to War | Joe Rogan

the Joe Rogan experience I'll tell you I I think a couple things come up and just kind of fun what you're what you're saying and this is kind of my perspective on it when you know when we talk about hey when you go in somewhere you've got to know what the end state is you got to know what you're you know you got to know where you're going and when you're gonna leave gotta have an exit strategy what's really hard about that is we don't necessarily know and war is so and predict unpredictable that you may you know there's there's a chance that you went in and killed Qaddafi and then all of a sudden some benevolent person steps up and all of a sudden you've got this flourishing democracy okay with the chance to that no very small but you don't know that it's gonna go into this this completely failed state you have high hopes maybe your Intel people are saying you this it's like when we you know when we did the Bay of Pigs all the Cubans in America were like yep as soon as you guys hit the beaches all the Cubans are gonna be on our side it's gonna be good to go all the Cubans that supported America were in America we showed up there and they were like what are you doing no this is our country so we don't necessarily know where we're gonna go which means you've got to have once again like the open mind to say oh this isn't going the way we thought it was going to go how we going to adjust right now to prevent this from getting worse which means what you really have to do is prior to intervening in other countries you have to assess what sacrifices you are willing to make to to get the result that is positive and yeah and it's and those those could be massive you know I always talk about if you're gonna go to war you've got to have the will and that will comes in two forms number one is the will to kill because when you go to war you are going to be killing people you're going to be killing the enemy and you're gonna be killing civilians and now that's that's not what we're trying to do and believe me the US military goes through great lengths to prevent that from happening but it is gonna happen it's war so you have to be willing to kill you have to be willing to have that happen and you have to be willing to die because when you go to war there's gonna be American kids that are not going to come home and so you have to have those two wills that's before you go in so you can't look at it and say well you know we can go into Libya we can move this guy and probably it'll turn out okay so we don't have to worry about what the sacrifices are gonna be another thing to think about when we went to war when you went to world war two World War one those kids 18 years old 17 years old those kids went to war until the war was over they were they went on deployment like now you know in the in the Navy in the Marine Corps up to six seven-month deployment and the army sometimes it's a 14-month appointment and then they're gonna rotate back to the states in World War two it's like oh cool yeah we're at war you'll be home when it's over so five years four years if that was our attitude going into the war this is so important to us that johnny is gonna get on a ship and he's gonna sail to the Pacific and if he comes home it's gonna be in three years four years five years that's what we're talking about that's the level of commitment we have so when we start looking at going into other countries we need to start thinking okay what level of commitment do we really have to make this successful and and like even when I look at Iraq you know I was in Iraq and fought in Iraq from a granular perspective being on the ground Battle of Ramadi 2006 the citizens of Ramadi the normal citizens of Ramadi were overjoyed that we were there and it was like we were we were angels to go there and help them get rid of these heinous al Qaeda insurgents which eventually came became Isis unfortunately you know we kind of we we did a great job Ramadi was the model of counterinsurgency for about seven years and it was less violent than many cities in America and I had great pride and at least understood the sacrifices my friends that were killed my friends that never came home my friends that won't get to have kids right they did all that they gave all that and I was able to look around and say you know what these folks in this foreign country they're gonna have an opportunity for freedom and unfortunately because of politics and whatever we said okay you know what we're we're not staying there we're gonna leave as soon as we left everybody they'd been on the ground in Iraq was like mm-hmm this is probably not a good idea this is probably not a good idea to bail out right now we don't need to leave a massive force there but you know if we leave a few you know we leave a couple brigades worth of men then Oh we'll probably be able to handle any problems that that happen well we didn't we left completely and and those those insurgents that were there they were like little embers and they started to they started to get fired up again and then the next thing you know you had Isis and by the way Isis marched back into Ramadi and they the reports we got from people on the ground that we knew was that Isis came in and anyone that had worked with coalition forces in any level they would murder the whole families about five hundred families that were completely murdered so when we talk about these things we have to be very sure about what we're gonna do we have to recognize that we can't predict everything because we can't I don't care how good you are and care how many analysis you put on something when you start throwing human nature into a leadership vacuum all these things are gonna break out and it's gonna it can go very very bad it can go well too but it can go very very bad and so what are we willing to sacrifice what are we willing to spend how many of our brothers and sisters in uniform are we willing to sacrifice to make this happen and how does it help our national security I believe right now had we stayed there Iraq would be a pretty strong positive place right now if we had kind of completed the mission the way that we should have again when we go back and we say okay well what what what countries is it worth going into you know where are we gonna go what how do we draw that line how do we make that decision for me this is this is what we do as leaders what we do as leaders we look at a situation and and sometimes you know you can ask yourself do we have a moral obligation to go somewhere if there's a genocide happening if there's another Rwanda happening where 800,000 Tutsis are killed in hundred days with machetes if that's going on do we have a moral obligation to try and do something to help that hey that's a decision you have to meet that's a hard decision to make as leader because guess what you're gonna lose 30 40 100 Americans that are going in there and try shut this thing down but that's the that's the type of thing we need to think about and that's why as a leader you want to have an open mind you want to have your ego completely out of it because it's real easy to say oh this is where America this is what we do this is we're gonna win it's like no actually we made a bad decision and we're actually leaving right now because we think the expenditure from here on out is gonna be too hot unfortunate I think in Iraq we paid the upfront expenditure we had invested lives and treasure to try and get that play stabilized we had done a decent job we were almost there and we left early and all of a sudden we look around to go but that's why these things are important too to think about thoroughly as Tulsi said before you go we don't know what's going to happen and you know if you're gonna get in a street fight Joe like you look as capable as you are as capable as I am at street fighting that's great there is that 10 percent chance that that guy pulls out a knife and sticks it in your neck and are you willing to sacrifice that now if the guy's doing something to an innocent person and you go you know what I got to take that risk right now I'm gonna go in and I'm gonna I'm gonna get this thing handled those are hard decisions to make and we have to think through them [Applause]

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Length: 7min 57sec (477 seconds)

Published: Tue Nov 26 2019