Juror safety becomes key focus as defendant Trump's desperation, frustration grows

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THE FORMER JUROR NUMBER ONE THE ONE THAT ASKED TO BE RELEASED FROM THE TRIAL BECAUSE SHE SAID THAT WHAT WAS WRITTEN MEANT THAT SHE COULD NO LONGER BE FAIR. DEFENDING DONALD TRUMP'S PROCESS IS TO UNDER MINE THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM. TRUMP'S LAWYERS TRIED TO GET AN EMERGENCY STATE FROM AN APPEALS COURT. ARGUEING THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY FOR TRUMP TO GET A FAIR TRIAL IN MANHATTAN. THE RESPONSE FROM THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY ALVIN BRAGGS OFFICE WAS SIMPLE, WHAT THE LAST WEEK HAS SHOWN IS THE JURY SELECTION HAS WORKED. HE CONTINUED, WE HAVE 18 ORDINARY NEW YORKERS WHO ARE READY TO SERVE. IT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO THEM AND THE PUBLIC FOR THIS TRIAL TO BE DELAYED FURTHER END QUOTE. THE APPEALS COURT JUDGE AGREED AND QUICKLY REJECTED TRUMP'S REQUEST. RIGHT NOW THE GOOD NEWS IS AMONGST ALL THE RUCKUS, THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM HAS NOT BENT TO TRUMP'S ATTACKS. DESPITE WHAT HE SAYS, THE SYSTEM IS WORKING FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT. JUST LIKE IT WOULD FOR ANY OTHER PERSON. AT THE END OF TODAY A FULL JURY, A 12 MEMBER JURY WITH SIX ALTERNATES WAS SEATED. DONALD TRUMP'S PEERS WHO MAY ULTIMATELY WHETHER OR NOT TO CONVICT HIM AS A FELON. AFTER THE JURY WAS SELECTED, THE ATTENTION TURNED TO WHAT HE MIGHT SAY UNDER OATH IF HE INDEED CHOOSES TO TAKE THE STAND. TRUMP HAS PREVIOUSLY INDICATED HE PLANS TO TESTIFY IN THIS CASE AND TODAY HE'S STICKING TO THAT STORY. >>> ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE THE STAND? >> YES. >> WHETHER OR NOT HE WILL OR NOT, WE SHALL SEE. IF A CRIMINAL DEFENDANT WISHES TO TESTIFY IN THEIR OWN DEFENSE. THEY ARE GRANTED WHAT IS KNOWN AS A SANDOVAL NOTICE WHICH ENSURES THAT THE DEFENDANT IS AWARE OF THE LINES OF QUESTIONING THE PROSECUTION MAY ASK. THE PURPOSE IS TO MAKE SURE THE DEFENDANT IS NOT CAUGHT OFF GUARD WHEN TESTIFYING ON THE STAND. SOME OF THE THINGS THE MANHATTAN D. A EAST OFFICE ARE THE TWO CIVIL TRIALS THAT TRUMP RECENTLY LOST. THE JUDGE MARCHAND SAID THAT HE WILL DECIDE WHICH QUESTIONS CAN BE ASKED ON MONDAY. CHRISTIAN SERVED IN THE MANHATTAN DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. VAUGHN LET'S START WITH THIS SANDOVAL HEARING. DONALD TRUMP SAYS HE WILL TAKE THE STAND. IT'S NOT GIVEN THAT WHATEVER THE DA SAYS HE WANTS TO ASK IS GOING TO BE ASKED. SO NOW THE D.A. PRESENTS THE JUDGE WITH THE LINES OF QUESTIONING AND THE JUDGE DETERMINES? >> RIGHT. THIS AFTERNOON THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AOEUFS --'S OFFICE MADE THE CASE TO THE JUDGE. FROM THE CAROL LAWSUIT. THERE WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TRUMP FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST CLINTON AND OTHER DEFENDANTS WHERE HE WAS FINED FOR A FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT. THEY WANT TO PRESENT TO THE JURY THESE DETERMINATIONS TO QUESTION THE CREDIBILITY OF DONALD TRUMP. IS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ARGUED TODAY TO THE JUDGE. THEY SAID, THEY'RE GOING TO QUESTION THE CREDIBILITY FROM CLINTON TO STORMY DANIELS. WE SHALL QUESTION THE VORACITY OF STATEMENTS THAT DONALD TRUMP MAKES. >> CAN I MAKE ONE CORRECTION. IT'S NOT TO LET THE DEFENDANT KNOW THE LINE OF QUESTIONING IT'S TO LET THE DEFENDANT WHAT PRIOR BAD ACTS THEY'RE GOING ASK ASK HIM ABOUT. THE OTHER QUESTIONS HE'S GOING TO BE SURPRISED ABOUT. BUT PRIOR JUDGMENTS OR PRIOR BAD ACTS HE NEEDS TO BE MADE AWARE OF THAT. >> THEY DO NOT HAVE TO DISCLOSE THINGS THAT ARE NOT ABOUT HIS PRIOR BAD ACTS. THEY CAN GO WITH THE LINE OF QUESTIONING, BUT THAT HE IS DONE, THEY HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT THAT. >> EXACTLY. >> 12 YEARS, 6 ALTERNATES. TYPICALLY SPEAKING A CASE DOES NOT GUILTY RUN OUT OF JURORS AND ALTERNATES. AS THE PRESSURE CONTINUES TO BE ON THESE JURORS AND ON THEIR IDENTITYS BECOME KNOWN, EITHER BECAUSE THE MEDIA DOESN'T HANDLED THIS WELL OR FOR WHATEVER REASON, IS THERE ANY CONCERN THAT SOME FULL COMPLEMENT OF JURORS DOESN'T MAKE IT TO THIS ROUND OF THE TRIAL? >> DEFINITELY, THAT'S WHY THE JUDGE ALLOWED THE ULTIMATE AMOUNT OF ALTERNATES IN THE CASE UNLESS IT'S A MURDER CASE. SIX. YOU ALREADY HAD ONE COME BACK AND SAY SHE CAN'T HANDLE IT. NOW THERE'S A WEEKEND. SO THE HOPE IS THE 12 THAT ARE SEATED WILL STILL REMAIN STRONG AND SAY THAT THEY SAID IT'S GOING TO BE IMPARTIAL. THEY'RE READY TO REMAIN FAIR AND IMPARTIAL. THE JUDGE CAN AND THE COURT CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT MAKING THE JURORS FEEL MORE SECURE. I THINK IN THIS CASE WHICH WAS DONE IN DONALD TRUMP'S FEDERAL TRIAL, AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE MONEY. BUT THEY SHOULD BE ESCORTED TO LUNCH AS GROUPS AND THEY SHOULD BE ESCORTED HOME AS GROUPS. WE'RE SAYING THIS BECAUSE THEY ALL LIVE IN MA -- MANHATTAN SO THEY'RE NOT FAR. YOU'RE PROTECTING THEM DURING THE WEEKS OF THE TRIAL. >> THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GOING TO BE JURORS WERE DISMISSED QUICKLY. WHAT WAS YOUR SENSE OF IT? YOU WERE SITTING THERE WATCHING IT? >> DONALD TRUMP'S OPPORTUNITY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND USE THEIR CHALLENGES TO ELIMINATE SEVERAL JURORS, POTENTIAL JURORS THEY QUESTIONED. SO DON DONALD TRUMP OVER THE NEXT SIX WEEKS IS GOING TO BECOME VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE FACES OF THOSE 12 JURORS AND SIX ALTERNATES. WHEN IT COMES TO DONALD TRUMP IN THE COURTROOM OVER THE LAST YEAR HE'S BECOME VERY FAMILIAR. THERE HAS BEEN A JURY THAT HAS HEARD TESTIMONY FROM DONALD TRUMP. GRANTED IT WAS THREE MINUTES OF TESTIMONY. THEY DID IN JANUARY DETERMINED THAT $87 MILLION PENALTY IN THE E.G CARROLL DEFAMATION CASE. SO TRUMP HAS HAD A NEW YORK JURY VOTE AGAINST HIM. WITH THE PRESSURE THAT ARE ON THESE INDIVIDUALS WE HEARD THEM DURING THE VETING PROCESS, SEVERAL OF THEM QUESTION I'VE HEARD FROM FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES WHO QUESTION AM I A JUROR. IDENTIFYING FROM EVERYTHING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THEIR JOBS TO WHETHER THEY'RE MARRIED OR NOT. FOLKS ARE GOING TO BECOME FAMILIAR OF WHO THESE JURORS ARE. FOR DON DONALD TRUMP IT'S OUT OF HIS CONTROL. IT'S IN THE HANDS OF HIS LEGAL TEAM UNLESS HE CHOOSES TO TESTIFY. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS BUSINESS THAT DONALD TRUMP IS TESTIFYING. HE MAINTAINS HE'S GOING TO. IS THAT GOOD OR BAD FOR HIM AND DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? >> I DON'T THINK IT WILL HAPPEN. I MEAN HE HAS AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO TESTIFY. UNFORTUNATELY FOR HIS ATTORNEYS THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER HIM WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON HE SHOULDN'T TESTIFY. BUT IF HE DOES I THINK IT'LL BE GOOD FOR THE PROSECUTION CASE AND BAD FOR HIS CASE. BECAUSE HE'S OUT OF CONTROL. AND THIS JUDGE WILL NOT LET HIM SIT THERE AND PONTIFICATE. HE WILL HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. AND THE JUDGE COULD JUST SHUT HIM DOWN IF HE'S NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES. WHEN I SAY SHUT HIM DOWN, I MEAN YOU'RE OFF THE STAND. IT'S OVER. IF HE'S NOT ANSWERING QUESTIONS WHY? BECAUSE THERE'S A JURY THERE. THIS IS NOT LIKE THE CIVIL FRAUD CASE WHERE IT WAS JUST A JUDGE. THERE'S A JURY THERE AND THE JUDGE WILL NOT ALLOW THERE TO BE PREJUDICIAL INFORMATION GETTING TO THE JURY. >> THERE'S ALREADY QUESTIONS ON WHETHER OR NOT DONALD TRUMP IS FOLLOWING THE RULES BASED ON WHAT HE'S BEEN POSTING. YESTERDAY THE PROSECUTION WAS SUPPOSED TO TELL THE COURT WHO THEY'RE GOING TO CALL TO THE STAND ON MONDAY. YESTERDAY THEY ASKED FOR THE FIRST THREE WITNESS NAMES. THE PROSECUTION SAID THEY DIDN'T TRUST DONALD TRUMP NOT TO TWEET THOSE NAMES SO THEY SAID THEY WILL GIVE THE DEFENSE ONE NAME ON SUNDAY AND QUOTE IF THAT SHOULD BE TWEETED, THAT'S THE LAST TIME WE WILL PROVIDE THAT COURTESY. THIS SEEMS TO BE A BIT OF BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE TRUMP DEFENSE TEAM AND THE PROSECUTOR. IS THE JUDGE SOUNDING IN ON THIS. >> YES, THE JUDGE WHEN DONALD TRUMP'S ATTORNEY WENT TO THE JUDGE LOOKING FOR THAT REQUEST AND THE ATTORNEY SAID I CAN ATTEST THAT MY CLIENT, DONALD TRUMP IS NOT GOING TO TWEET ON SOCIAL MEDIA. AND THE JUDGE SAID I DON'T NOPE IF YOU WE CAN TRUST YOUR REPRESENTATION ON BEHALF OF YOUR CLIENT. SAYING, WE HAVE ALL SEEN DONALD TRUMP OPERATING WE DON'T FLOW IF WE CAN TRUST THAT. SO WHAT THEY HAVE ALLOWED IS ON MONDAY THE PROSECUTION THEY SAID OUT OF RESPECT AND DIFFERENCE FOR THE LEGAL TEAM THEY WILL PROVIDE THE NAME OF THE WITNESS THAT WILL COME FORWARD ON MONDAY. A COURT WILL BE APPRECIATEED FOR PASS OVER ON MONDAY. ONLY GO TILL 2:00 P.M. EASTERN SO WE'RE EXPECTING THE JUST, THE INITIAL QUESTIONING OF THIS WITNESS BUT THEN THE CROSS- EXAMINATION WILL NOT BEGIN UNTIL TUESDAY. >> HOW DOES THAT WORK, AT ONE POINT THE WITNESSES WILL BE KNOWN. SO WHAT'S THE GOAL HERE AND WHAT'S THE THING, WHAT'S THE ASSURANCE THAT THE COURT HAS TO HAVE FROM DONALD TRUMP ABOUT WHAT HEP WILL -- WHAT HE WILL DO FOR WITNESSES. >> THERE'S A GAG ORDER. WHICH IN MY OPINION HE'S BEEN VIOLATING. AND THERE'S A HEARING ON THAT ON TUESDAY. SO TYPICALLY, WHEN YOU HAVE A NORMAL CASE, AND YOU HAVE A DEFENDANT WHO IS NOT LIKE DONALD TRUMP YOU GIVE OVER THE WITNESS LIST TO THE DEFENSE. AND YOU ANNOUNCE TOMORROW WE'RE GOING TO CALL MR. JONES, MRS. SMITH AND IF THERE'S TIME MRS. CHRISTIAN. SO THE DEFENSE WILL KNOWN. YOU DO THAT AS A COURTESY SO YOU CAN PREPARE THEIR CROSS- EXAMINATION. BURR IN THIS CASE, AND THE PROSECUTORS RIGHT TO DO THIS, YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT WITH THIS PARTICULAR DEFENDANT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT HIM AS THEY SAID TWEETING ABOUT THEM. AND INTIMIDATEING THEM BEFORE THEY TAKE THE STAND. BECAUSE THEY THE SAME WAY WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT JURORS BEING AFRAID TO COME TO COURT, SAME THING WILL HAPPEN WITH WITNESSES. THEY DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN TO THEM. BECAUSE WHEN DONALD TRUMP TWEETS NEGATIVELY ABOUT PEOPLE HIS FOLLOWERS, SOME OF THEM,
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Length: 12min 8sec (728 seconds)
Published: Sat Apr 20 2024
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