JJ Redick on LeBron James Podcast, Rapping in College, & Untold Kobe Bryant Stories

how did the Pod with LeBron come to fruition I've known braon now like 24 25 years we saw each other in December with the folks on his side had a conversation and that got the ball rolling so he picked you or you picked him there's no good answer to that seems like there's a great answer is there any Heckle that you laughed at during warm-ups I had noticed there was a group of students sitting in front row and they had t-shirts with my picture on it on the picture it said when I grew up I want to name my kid JJ reedit so I went over before the game to get a closer look and then they turned around and it said beat him every day did you know that I recorded rap songs in college is this a bar from you I was the inspiration from Martin Luther King I'm the reason Ray Charles can sing that's bar was that you I wrote that white chocolate was on this pot yeah white chocolate was on the pot he killed it but uh but he played chocolate chocolate yeah I played chocolate J will the Duke J will yeah Duke Jay will yeah one-on-one and who won come on bro you won yeah of course oh you don't know the story I don't I don't know the story I've never lost to an NBA player at basketball I'm just telling you so I've never lost bought him six in a game list he gave we had to you know play till seven but listen he gave me six I didn't ask for six he gave me six his Hubers got the best of him and then you know I had to beat him I had to hit him with a little crossover teardrop no big deal how many would would you take from me how many how many do I need to spot you in oneon-one yeah no I'll beat you straight up one one I'll beat you straight up no no I'll beat you straight up one one because think about like Jay will is you know what I mean he's the best the best player to come out of Duke ever man no no okay what would I do how would I handicap you okay no um you can't shoot uh threes oh you're getting destroyed what how bro going to the basket remember my my going if I cookie you it's just my it was going into my junior year going to my senior year of college okay I had my girlfriend was uh she lived in Minneapolis and so we were going to go to Big Sky for July 4th weekend so I went to Minneapolis first and so I grabbed her little brother he was in like sixth grade at the time I was like I need to rebounder so we went to her local get them shots huh LA Fitness whatever it was I don't remember get my shots up and there's this guy lurking over on the sideline and and uh I get done with my workout and he comes up to me and he's like man I know you could shoot but like I played D2 I bet I bet I can beat you one-on-one I need to see you you know take me off the dribble yeah yeah and I beat him 110 like yeah with no threes yeah yeah yeah yeah it's like that Wayne Gretzky clip we just watch you have no idea how athletic I am no no no this is the thing that you're comparing me to LeBron John Mor this is this is the really funny thing is it like you're an elite elite athlete but because you have to play against LeBron sometimes guys look at you and they're like I think I can get a few points off JJ right right but that's not even close to the case no that's racism call racism dude you're a victim of racism dud time you think no because I had a roommate dude you're such a victim you think you be a of privilege dude for real what's the what's the scow thing the scow quote what is that some guy some numbnut challenged him to a one-on-one and he said yeah like he's like dude I'm closer to LeBron than you are to me destroyed the guy yeah yeah yeah no no obviously I think that you would smoke me I mean with Jason Williams with black with chocolate chocolate J call with chocolate chocolate Jason Williams you know he did have like his foot was hanging off or whatever because of the the motorcycle AC Jesus and that he has what's called a drop foot yeah the way you said it though why cuz I said it was hanging off and it seemed more sever than it was pretty severe actually it was really severe and I was going at that foot I was targeting the foot an animal yeah come on I'm a competitor think you be kayin Clark 101 yeah well I do think I could beat any female basketball but I don't want to take down the sport because they're doing so great and I love what's happening in female basketball but I don't think and I have a daughter I have a daughter do you think that's true do you think he could you think he could j keep it a buck mind it a game bro mind it a game mind it a game listen just mind you're not beating Kate L did you see my paddle skills on my dragon net just out there are you telling me you don't think I can beat why cuz she's such a good sh you know me agree me agreeing to come on this show I knew I was going to get roped into this some I knew I was going to get roped I'm looking over here from here I'm like I think I get a point on it's so racist my roommate in college swore he could beat Eric snow one-onone who was like remember Eric snow from six but he was like I got Eric snow I was like you're out of your mind point but Eric's I don't know if I could be cuz he's so dense you got and you mean black by dense oh yeah he's black that's no but it is up we got to stop we got to stop that we got to stop what racism do you agree with that JJ we have to stop racism now that it's affecting us we got to do something about it oh my god do you agree or no uh do I agree we should stop racing yes okay thank you Jesus that's a softball did you did you know that I that I recorded rap songs in college no we have to hear these I think okay we might need to bring back some hold on hold I can't get rid of this completely hold on we knew about the Poetry well so the Poetry was really just rap lyrics right this is so interesting how racism turns it from rap to poetry when a black guy is a poet he's a rapper when a white guy's a rapper he's a poet okay break it down break it down again it wasn't it wasn't good stuff like it wasn't good stuff I actually have some I just want to point out it's cuz they can't catch from you I have one of your RS um but anyways so I like I didn't have any of the tracks right and and the guy that I recorded with who was black that was the issue he was black but he like we would be in dorm rooms like it was literally a you know a a you guys headone and a in a mic right was were you allowed in the same dorm rooms down there yeah we were they do W that was like 1920 they got rid of that oh did they oh even a Duke oh wow okay um but anyways so a couple years ago he's like dude I found I found the songs and I'm like send them to me so he sends them to me and this was 2003 okay and me and him did a did a song it was an anti-racism song J J people accuse me of being this woke guy I'm the woke guy on ESPN I'm like no man I've always I've always been like that I've always do you have it to can we listen to it that one I don't have my phone that one I don't have that one you don't there's other raps that you have somewhere on my files somewhere on one that's awesome wa I I actually have to go find because somebody did find some of uh fa who does phenomenal research for us found one of your your poems which might be a rap so maybe we even say some of them were more but here's the thing that I need to understand because you were go getting through like you were getting heckled like an insane amount when you're at Duke right like you just become this like poster child for all the hatred and I think Duke kind of represents it's not only like a race thing I think Duke represents like elitism right we look at them we're like oh this is where all the money is the power the control yeah and your face matched up with it even though you're like a homeschooled kid from Virginia he point when you said when he pointed made it way more aggressive no I'm just saying he did coming from the guy with that haircut list I'm just copying him I'm just trying to support my boy the guy with that mustache okay but I do have one of the so here's the thing they're calling you gay nonstop mhm and then in order to combat that you start writing poetry take take take take us through that take us through that line of thinking uh it wasn't just like were you like weird maybe I am about this I so you know NBA players college players high school players when you like hit a shot sometimes you hold your follow through and there was this guy at NC State who no not publicly in an article said he holds his follow through like he's gay or something like a good nothing happen little nothing happened there was no like hey we need to we need to cancel that guy or like it was just like oh that's he does hold he is kind of G away Fu do his it was was just different time different time worst though was like it wasn't it wasn't there was some stuff I was sensitive about like I had bad shoulder acne in college and so like I remember going to a UVA game and they had all these fake Duke number four jerseys and they painted like red dots on the shoulders right damn and then like the at Maryland was like you know and Florida State too those two places were like talking about raping my 12-year-old sister anally raping her like all this stuff about my older sister than my mom so like there was a lot wasn't just like oh this dude's a douche it was it was like really targeted stuff and I I think I may have done it I think I did a thing for ESPN where I was like to combat this I started writing poetry the reality is I was writing rap lyrics from the time I was like 14 years old we used to go to like we I remember vividly you would say basketball camp we get done with the camp and we've got like six hours till like everybody's going to go to bed and uh and and every flying out the next morning we're like hey guys should we go like Cipher in the in the room like we just freestyle battle RPP you were saying this to other dudes yeah yeah at Duke were oh yeah so I was in a I was in a fraternity my first two years we couldn't be in a real fraternity so we came up with PDF which was F drink of 40 okay F drink of 40 it was like nine of us and we had like we had like sick gear you hoodies and [Laughter] shirts I don't basically the fraternities activities consisted of playing beer pong getting drunk going out to uh Chris duan's car turning on like an instrumental beat and then freestyling oh you're a better rapper than Chris Chris bit he was fine but you had him though yeah I had him is is this a is this a is this a bar from you just tell tell you this a bar okay uh a sharp Thorn once cut my soul the blood flowed but no bandage would ever cover the wound is that rap poetry I don't know I asked the Lord what am I to do he said son I made the sky blue the rain falls because of me leaves change colors on a on a fall tree I was the inspiration for Martin Luther King I'm the reason Ray Charles can sing I'm giving the strength to others through it through and my son I'll do the same for you that's bar that's kind of fun yeah you're like a white DMs was that you I wrote that you stuck the wrote I gotta be honest you stuck The Landing out that religious one is fire so diplomatic I wrote that I wrote down the you don't have to answer that you don't have come the God can do all things it's very simple if DMX spit it you'd be like it' have few more Nords in it and you H was was contributed to the racism by laughing that he's he's rapping that's bars right there I'm telling you that's bars right there bro I was very uncomfortable I'm the reason Charles can see I give a Str other through and through and my son I'll do the same for you I won't take away that back kny oh my God the reason R always con see like why would you help him do that yeah yeah that is a good point okay I shouldn't have done this okay so listen you're coming off of uh right now you got the biggest podcast on the planet you know of course you came on here so it won't see a second episode okay the first go Go I mean I don't know why but there there is something very funny about those lyrics you don't know why you can't stop laughing because of your delivery ridiculous should I deliver it like you no let me deliver do more emo do more I'm going deliver like you back a day like a white boy I ask the Lord what I'm about to do he said son I made the sky blue okay yeah that was a rough one that was a rough that the ending was good you can't focus on the individual lines cuz then then it really pops out at you okay what was the funniest Heckle you ever got was there ever a Heckle I I want people to understand there's going to be younger people probably watching this you were arguably the most you were the most famous non-nba player in the world at the time indisputably who else who else who else non-nba I'm sure there was somebody I'm sure there was somebody I'm sure there great answer dude do you not remember what was happening at this time it was insane I remember vividly no not NBA basketball player yeah yeah oh basketball player basketball like okay and one of the most recognizable figures and this was at a time I don't think it's as much now the college game doesn't seem to like maintain the start you went four years yeah and my my draft class was the first year you couldn't come out of high school so like I was like the end of I was the end of college basketball not me personally but like I was like the last guy to come out before everybody started the one and done thing Kevin Durant was right after me one year then he went out to the NBA and he would have come out of high school right he was good enough to come out of high school yeah yeah yeah so that was part of that was part of it it was still college basketball then now I don't know what it is yeah what is it now I don't know did you watch the UVA game last night no no oh why they had 14 points in the first half they went nine minutes without scoring and then 10 minutes later on in the game without making a this is the women's game no this was this was like a playing game two 10 seeds no yeah bad man and what do you think it is it's just there's there's no reason for the talent to to stick around they're not even thinking about itag maybe uh I don't think it's as g- league as much I think truthfully the one and done uh creates a an environment where the best players are now oneandone guys and they never unpack their bags Coach K used to always talk about unpacking your bags right being all in yeah they're Minds somewhere else you don't get any continuity the transfer portal now like Duke Duke you know we've gotten a couple transfer portal guys but we still are playing like 18 and 19 year old kids and then NC State like the guy that starred for NC State in ACC tournament he's 24 years old ah he's a full grown man yeah yeah so it's just it's it's a weird game right now well have you spoken you uh Coach K about it at all about the nil and the transfer portal stuff or just in general college basketball and like do he like this new I don't think I I don't think he's a fan but I don't think any coach is a fan yeah that makes sense how do you feel have to re-recruit every year every year I got a kid I recruit him in high school he comes in all right now I got to re-recruit him so he doesn't accept the bag from whatever school yeah totally different now announcements United Arab Emirates not to be referred to as the towels the chachis have spoken and your boy is coming back they want more punishment the chachis want more punishment okay I'm coming back I will be out there may May 22nd for another show in Abu Dhabi the ettihad arena we are coming out there for Abu Dhabi comedy week May 20 seconds okay the pre-sale for those tickets remember pre-sale went crazy last time show sold out on pre-sale so get on this the pre-sale for those tickets is Thursday March 28th at 12:00 p.m. towel time not to be referred to as towel time at 12:00 p.m. local time okay 12:00 p.m local 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warm-ups I had noticed there was a group of students sitting front row right at half court and they had t-shirts with my picture on it okay and on the picture it said uh when I grew up I want to name my kid JJ reic so I went over before the game to get a closer look and then they turned around and it said and beat him every day I would never condone any sort of child abuse but that's clever yeah that's clever and so I make the free throws and I I go over them at the end of the game and I'm like talking like I need a t-shirt give me a t-shirt like that and coach was he was Furious did it fire you up when they were talking the or did was there part of you that wanted to melt under the pressure of it no I didn't want to melt at all it was like my first 10 games at Duke we had a bunch of home games we played UCLA in Indie yeah in like the farmers classic I don't remember what the it was called then we played Ohio State in Greensboro in the Big 10 ACC and then we played all home games so we come back from Christmas break and we go to Clemson it's our first real Road game and it's our first ACCC game and I come out for warm-ups and it's like oh this is how okay I I'm the guy that they've now chosen I'm the next Duke guy they're going to hate and it I mean I had 22 and six that game it was not about melting it was like all right you you you want me to be an immaturity but it was like you want me to be an I'll be an what I don't understand is some of it was deserved I mean I I fact there's a there's a moment in the I want to ask like why were you getting so much I I'm uh we're playing Illinois this is the year before they made the final four we made the final four and 04 they made an 05 so we're playing Illinois in the sweet 16 and I hit a couple shots in the second half on Luther head and I'm like doing weird with my head I'm bobbing my head I'm doing this I'm smiling and laughing and but you're not allowed to enjoy yourself because you're a white man playing basketball I think Steph changed it for us I'm serious Steph does that all the the time yeah like and everybody's cool with it right it annoys me a little no there there used to be I mean I I there's not a single person who would say Steph Curry is annoying yeah I don't find him annoying you don't like him I love I love Steph what are you talking about you hate his game you've said this many times publicly you hate Steph Curry's game you love Kyrie's game this is a BL this is blasphemy I don't understand what this role reversal is did I say that did I say that back in the day but I'm going to have to check I don't know back in the day today when we talk sports on the podcast yeah you used to hate I say what did I say I probably had a good argument go no you just didn't like his game that he was just all shooting and nothing else oh yeah but the argument for me was that I can't shoot yeah it was sarcasm I can't shoot so I don't like the fact that the game is now three-point shooting I just go to the basket and I Get Buckets so I'd like the guys who go to the basket and get Buckets like Iverson CU that was how I played the game like alen Iverson more wow but you did hate on him I just love LeBron and he's in the way of LeBron and so I'm like well you kept LeBron from getting four more championships or whatever so I i' chosen to root against him I'm sure he's an amazing guy good at every single thing he does I just get annoyed that the guy that I want to be the greatest ever could have probably eight championships if it wasn't for the Warriors but you saying he made celebrating okay yeah got it okay I wonder if there's anybody before I feel like a lot of people before him like all the no but like you had to be dunking and like that I think is his point like being being a shooter wasn't ever cool in our childhood name a cool three-point shooter Reggie Miller wasn't cool I love Miller was hated did all the he was hated right yeah but people hated Reggie yeah so shooting wasn't cool I love where where do you get the confidence though that's what I'm trying to understand like where do you get the confidence to handle that kind of hate and scrutiny yeah when you're 19 years yeah you know I would say it was not confidence there was the competitive part which was very much easy like I'm in the arena I'm on a court doing what I love that was easy the confidence part we we haven't fully developed our egos at 18 19 years old I don't think it was confidence at all it was actually insecurity and I I mean I had to start seeing a I saw a therapist every week for three years at Duke from my sophomore year on and it was because of like this this whole notion like I grew up a Duke fan I wanted to go to Duke 7 years old I watched lner hit the shot mom and dad I'm going to go play at Duke right I wanted to go to Duke and I get to Duke and I'm like oh this shit's hard right it's hard not only that part of it the scrutiny but playing at Duke was hard yeah it was a mental every day people get their their they bring you their a game every I had I got tested every single day for oh for whatever body language chewing gum you're chewing gum ah my senior year I I set the AC scoring record against Temple and I they played a box in one on me this they had a guy Marty Collins who i' played USA basketball with the season before and Marty was like he's like hey man John Cheney said you're not getting the record today we're throwing the whole kitchen sink ATU we're going to play boxing one I needed like 11 points right so I end up scoring like 13 or whatever it was they played a boxing one the whole game we win the game we go to film session the next day and occasionally in my career when I would have a like a okay first half or a bad first half I'd put a piece of gum in my mouth just to like change things up it's like a Superstition right and Coach the next day in the film session stops early in the second half and he's like what the are you doing chewing gum your head was not right and I was like was it that or was it the boxing one yeah it might be the box one was that um so it's like like that it was just like it was just constant right so through that process I think ultimately it prepared me for the NBA cu the NBA ended up being easy did you what was was oh sorry go yeah what was your reception when you first got to the NBA coming from this school NBA wasn't easy I shouldn't say that the NBA was easier did was there any friction with other players who were like oh that's his cocky kid I'm GNA humble him yeah yeah for sure my teammates did they call you milk were they like milk did they did they milk check you that sometimes happens in football uh did they milk check me never heard so if there's like a white player out there they like milk and then if there's a white like DB for example you yell at your quarterback you go milk check and then the quarterback looks and sees the guy guarding use white and then you just go long no I didn't get that that you never got milk check no I mean I got I got like targeted yeah on defense yeah I mean every single play no not every single play but like early in my career and then late in my career I can Target a lot yeah yeah and are your teammates going Beyond normal rookie Hazen cuz you're you or is it just like and what are they doing um they were it was all normal I I like was late for a couple practices and the second time uh they they tied me to a chair normal uh with my clothes on and shoved me in a cold shower and then left me there this is in Orlando yeah this is in Orlando who who did Dwight stay in the shower with you shout Dwight Dwight's like I have a great idea St him naked and throw him in a shower the reason I the reason I say that it was easier though was because the the Duke experience whether it was just the the uh scrutiny and the hatred whatever you want to call it and playing for Duke in the intensity of that day it was like you get to the pros and it's like okay I know how to navigate these things now I'm I'm well equipped to navigate the pressures and the competition and all the that comes with it and I guess you're not the biggest name in the NBA you're the biggest name in the NC but in the NBA they got LeBron they I didn't expect to be I didn't expect to be I remember I was doing a the 21 Under World Championships in Argentina going into my senior year and Hoops hype wanted to talk to me and one of the reporters wanted to talk to me and so like the USA Basketball coms person was like can you get on the phone with this person and I remember them asking me about my expectation level for the NBA and you I started that that was the same year I started taking Italian at Duke because I'd be like it'd be cool to go play overseas like I had no expectation of like a long NBA career and I was like yeah if I get to the next level I don't expect to be a star I'll be a role player okay so you knew that going in I want to talk about NBA for in a second but I first want to talk about high school you're playing basketball in high school and I imagine it feels like you're a superhero right mhm like you score whenever you want it is I I just need to understand what that's like every single time the ball's going to you every single time you put it up nobody's upset about the shot it is it the easiest game is it exciting does it get boring like what is high school when you are the best it's interesting uh so high school and a are two different things okay right so my freshman year I played Varsity yeah and I averaged like 17 a game wow and then I went and played 17 and under so like that's all Rising seniors I went and played 17 and under with bu Williams yeah which was the other side of the state didn't know any of the guys didn't know Buu I like had like a person who had reached out to boo and was like hey do you need a shooter for the summer tournaments so I meet them Atlanta that experience that was hard because I'm going against Dewan Wagner I'm going against Tyson Chandler D way derus smes those all those guys are rising seniors yeah so that was hard I went to a public school in Southwest Virginia so like game to game yeah it was like wasn't I was ever on cruise control cuz it was like but it was easy to score you could do whatever the you wanted yeah but I couldn't because I had a great High School coach okay so the coach is limied but if you want to put up 50 a game do you think that the most I scored in high school was 43 yeah that was the most shots I took in a high school game was 25 was was the state championship my senior year wow the most shots I took in high school was 25 I did not I was not like uh let's say let's say you were like dwan Wagner where they're basically just going every single play do whatever you want 50 easy I just trying to understand how easy high school basketball is when you're a superstar again I think it's like night toight if I said to myself I'm going to get 30 tonight I'm going to get 30 that easy yeah easy okay yeah especially junior senior year yeah by that time like I'm grown I'm fully developed as like a high school player nobody could bully you yeah I was like that was that was easy but I also like the other thing but again Billy Hicks my high school coach like we played a very specific like motion system he had gotten this like we I think we called it thumb up it was like four across uh the the elbow and the free throw line like so Wings two guys at the elbow and it was just a movement set like a or whatever oh that's Princeton Princeton that's like back doors this was more like curls into pin Downs curls into pin Downs so like I learned how to play off the ball in high school we didn't run like high picking rolls or ISO basketball and so we all kind of ate in that system it wasn't like it wasn't geared toward exactly there were I had a couple plays like I would get an ISO on the left block if they need a and then if I got hot I would just kind of like give my coach a look I remember like my senior night Coach K came I was coming off an injury we were playing one of our rivals in our district and I got hot in the first half and I kind of like looked at him and he's like let him go which was basically my clearance to get a heat check in okay okay so that this is one of the questions I have and I do want to talk about NBA stuff and there's tons of people I want to talk about in the NBA but is getting hot real yes cuz I'm sure you've spoken to the analytics guys and they say there is no such thing as getting hot the data whatever blah blah blah but you felt it I'm sure you remember the times in your career where you feel it what is getting hot do do you know what flow state is yes yes it's just Flow State so it's no thinking yeah doing your body it's it's every shot every motion it's just like perfect muscle memory there were games I I I'm being serious when I say this there were games where I would shoot like eight for 12 and I'd be like man my shot didn't feel good tonight and then there could be a game where I shot eight for 16 and I was like I was in the Flow State tonight wow cuz it's like again you're at that level in the NBA your margin at my size is like it's that's why the analytics guys don't get it cuz they're looking at dat I did I did a senior uh project in stats okay on the idea of like the the hot hand yeah and at the time it was very much Undisputed there was no such thing yeah and so I do the project and I came to the same conclusion and of course now I think pretty much that has been debunked there was a there was a a book about it a few years ago um about the theory of the hot hand and it was pretty much debunked it was debunked that there is no such thing as that no there is there is no the idea that there isn't a hot hand that idea was got there is a hot hand sure so we believe it there is data to back it up was there a when you're on when you're on stage man know it you're on stage you know connection you know exact when you're killing it you know it yeah yeah yeah you're not operating in the deficit you're not worried about what's going wrong you are fully present and you are locked in was there a way for you to access it frequently or was it just random um there were ways to try a lot of it became about like the prep the the routine I even going back to high school I was always like a visualization person so I had this free period and I would walk through the gym mhm and we I don't know why cuz we had an auxiliary gym I don't think there was really ever like Gym Class by the time you were like a junior senior so like I would walk through the gym on game days and I would like picture the spots on the court and I'd leave the gym and then for the rest of the day I'm visualizing coming off of pin downs I'm visualizing my footwork I'm visualizing like the angle with which I want to release the where the defender is I always had the ability to do that and so that was one of my sort of like preps to get into the Flow State wow that was one of the preps even like 16 17 years old you're doing that probably doing like 15 yeah wow yeah but Steph Steph is able to access better than any basketball player It's Kind it's unbel miraculous unbelievable it's unbelievable he's uh you know something that's interesting about like pleas the uh the Steph I got to watch Steph up close when we were in San Francisco doing show doing shows and uh I don't think his speed translates on TV yeah when you see him yeah up front he is by far the fastest it's like no one's even close but on TV it seems like the game is operating in in slow motion it's the same thing with like Brunson I'm like I'm watching Brunson be so effective get to whatever position he wants to get to but I don't see him as like a freakishly fast dude so I'm trying to understand what creates game speed all right so I'm gonna I'm gonna actually grab this real quick if you don't mind yeah you got something for he's got to take a call no no I got something for you I just got to find it he got some more lyrics for you bro you got bars for us can you explain this I just want all this stuff in here so so this idea of like an athlete in basketball basketball athleticism so what goes into that so historically or traditionally I should say we think of basketball athletes as being vertical and linear right fast and up all right so these are the things that go into being a great basketball athlete change of Direction balance coordination change of pace we talked about the deceleration before we started which is the most fascinating thing in today's NBA strength vertical plane pliability which is just flexibility Mobility reflexes stamina and then the cognitive side of that is pattern recognition spatial awareness which is uh an easy way to say Court mapping nicoa yic Court Maps uh anticipation and then cognitive load that's the mental bandwidth piece how many things can you process at once right so it goes back to what you said about me as an athlete when we first started like I am not a great athlete in the NBA I'm not relative to the average person I'm a great I'm in the 1% but I'm not in the 1% of the 1% of the you know what I mean yeah so all these guys that you're like how do you explain it it's because they have all of this maybe they don't have vertical maybe they don't have linear LCA donic is not a vertical or linear athlete but he's got the best breaks in the world and can you explain why breaks make it so effective well so what he does actually this is what I wanted to talk to you about okay all right so what he does is like there's there's a constant change of pace he's on balance he's trying to get you on B off balance once you're off balance he's still on balance changes his Pace yeah he has created an advantage at that point yeah yeah so now he's got you on his hip potentially he's blown by you maybe you reach in he goes through he draws a foul whatever but let's say you catch up to him you're now going in acceleration full speed and he goes into deceleration you fly by so on his drives his ability to decelerate yeah is special yeah there's a and he he's very effective without having to create immediate acceleration like I remember and I'm not in any way comparing myself to him but I remember for me in order to have any competitive Advantage when I was playing I had to make a commitment to going to the basket after one move and put everything into it because I didn't have that extreme I had a maybe decent first set but I'm committed 100% now at that commitment 100% I didn't have the breaks to stop if the guy was with me right and but that was the only way that I knew and when I started to play at higher levels and guys couldn't stay with me it was a little bit it was way more difficult for me to score to see him do it at like medium speed it feels like and the second you're on his hip it's over right so it's like it doesn't it's not like he needs to blow by you he just needs you here once he gets you off balance it seems and he's and he's 68 30ish depending on the day seems strong yeah he's his lower body is insane okay so what about his lower body is insane wait wait wait wait wait what do you mean like all leg oh yeah strength so that's the breaks yeah what what I was going to say about Brunson and Lucas in this category and I put like Kyrie in this category is like I I I I was thinking last night before I went to bed because I watched some of the Mavs game against the Spurs and then once the Nuggets game came on I really wanted to watch that game so I watched the full Nuggets t-wolves game and I was laying in bed and I was thinking about how we break down certain players and like what a Scouting Report is on a certain player and for some guys it's like me I was had a very simple scouting report right but for some guys it's like what was yours what was what was yours uh you have to be aware of where he is at all times he's in constant motion I like to turn over my left shoulder you could force him out to the right side where he turns over his right shoulder turn over your left shoulder means you're you're getting the ball so the basket's that way I wanted to turn this way over my left shoulder so you're coming around the defender's on this side yeah my right hand is here you can't get to the ball I turn the other way right short arms alligator arms negative wingspan um but I was think about certain guys it's like all right this guy in isolation he likes to go left um this guy uh if he's you know playing and pick a rooll he wants to come to his right hand he's going to shoot a onew dribble pullup this guy's better finishing right there's some guys that just defy breakdown LCA defies a breakdown like what is his scattering report yeah Jaylen Brunson by the way like I've watched him over the last two years and I've played with jayen I knew I knew he was good I did not know he was going to be this good yeah Jaylen Brunson it's like is there an answer for him cuz he can he can score going right he can score going left he can shoot threes off the dribble he can shoot catch and shoot what makes Jaylen so good going back to that he's got a lot of those qualities right I don't think he's the fastest guy certainly not a vertical athlete yeah he's always on balance yeah and he he does everything every trick the footwork the body shifts the handle he does everything to get you off balance but he's never off balance the handle's underrated too that's another thing incredible control theall and ability to change dire and he has that kind of almost like you know remember it dribble oh yeah you know where it's like he kind of lows you to sleep almost and then First Step see you later I feel like Jason's got a jaylen's got a little bit of that um do you know what a keep action is no a keep action so uh Draymond Green does this a lot so you throw him the ball and you go to chase it or he goes into a dribble handoff on the other side dribble handoff is just mean you dribble it somebody and you hand it off right so when you a keep action is you dribble at somebody your guy then tries to help and you just keep it and go right so Jaylen Brunson will bring the ball up on the right side of the floor and he will go to a dribble hand off with the other guard and he'll do this and just keep it right yeah I'm I'm at a game I have a friend who has courtside seats so he invited me and we're at we're at a game and I'm sitting Courtside across from the Knicks bench and looking at tibs Nicks are going that way everyone is sort of backpedaling near tibs and T tibs calls seven keep or whatever they call their keep action audibly anyone sitting there can hear it hear exactly the and I'm like Jaylen Brunson keep action here we go and Jaylen Brunson drill at the right side does the thing keep action wide open layup I'm like how yeah how Memphis was playing a bunch of g-league guys so it's but also like you know what's coming the best players you know what they really want to get to and you can't stop and they still get to it they still get to it Michael Jordan wanted to get to his right hand and it's going to go have you seen this what we done with the 90s Jo I hate this who's paying for this this is this is your podcast co-host there's a there's a there's a media smear campaign out there for Michael Jordan and uh there's all these people that are like taking these clips and saying how like how trash basketball was in the '90s as if we didn't watch it yeah you thought it was trash no since MJ does whatever he wants now and they tried to say MJ doesn't have a left hand and then they broke it down and it's like he's goes to the left just as much as he goes to the right now like this is a smear campaign this is smear campaign I don't love this is I I I I I you know because of uh some things that have happened on first take and uh the old man in three which is my other podcast because of some things that I've said I get have this reputation as like destroying the older generation and it's like what did you call them janitors plumbers and firemen there we go but here's the everything I've ever said is in fact what are the facts here that Michael Jordan's a fireman in the no I was talking specifically about the players that Bob Koozie played against in the 1950s okay this is different in in the 1950s nearly every professional athlete in every sport had what don't get me started on the quota wait wait wait wait talk to us about the Utah Jazz go no no don't give me start on this but every every professional athlete not every Prof but most professional athletes had a summer job they didn't train year round like we did they they literally were plumbers and firemen and welders and Farmers oh I know so it was a matter of fact that also say that I I think the implication is they're less athletic they're less good they were less let's be let's be in the 1950s but that's just a matter of what they got paid and they had to be they weren't like hey I want to be a plumber and I I'll play basketball on the side you know what I mean like they're very good basketball players who had to make ends me as was Bob Koozie I I can I can absolutely I I've I've been so consistent on this and yet people are like you trash prior Generations I've been consistent on this but the first time I ever commented on any of this was right after the top 75 list came out yeah and you were pissed that Dwight Howard wasn't on it and all I said was we should absolutely celebrate the greatest players in every era what they accomplished who they were as players we should celebrate that but you can't tell me that you know Dolph Shay was a better basketball player than Tracy McGrady or Kyrie Irving or Klay Thompson or Dwight Howard they just it's not it's not based in any sort of fact now relative to the competition you could make an argument right relative to the competition which is what have been consistent on celebrate what players were able to do in their era so I get knocked for you know I trash Larry Bird Dominique Wilkins has been on like 19 different podcasts talking about how stupid I am for saying that Larry Bird is a top 10 player of all time and one of the greatest shooters ever so but objectively he's not a top five three-point shooter he's just not well wasn't there and the argument against that is oh well if he had played in today's era he would be a top five what that doesn't even make sense that's not based in reality or fact wait minut but was there a three-point line early in his career three-point line was 1979 1980 I believe was the first year of the three-point line Chris Ford made the first three-pointer orever but when does he come in the league bird uh he was the class of 79 wasn't he okay so right so he's in so the game is a little differ but you're saying the data doesn't show that he's a top three-point shooter yeah but he shot like three a game or something yeah I mean 37% for his career Draymond Green just passed him in the alltime three believe I believe Richard Jefferson is is right above him too say Richard Jefferson's one of the best three I mean so what was Larry Bird good at but I think that's Larry Bird was one of the greatest players ever yeah he was a he was a he was a great shooter first of all he was a great shooter incredible passer yeah he's he's also to me like when I watch cuz I watch I watch full games and then I watch of course I watch the Highlight Montage that we all watch I love watching full games on YouTube it's one of the greatest gifts ever of YouTube yeah but he's another guy who like defied a definition yeah to me yeah he defied a definition yeah Jordan defied a definition yeah he defied a definition they're Transcendent players yeah Transcendent that's how I look at them but not not a good three-point shooter no he's a he was a he was a good three-point shooter but one of the best shooters ever but mad dog that day said to me but Larry Bird won a Three-Point Contest I'm like are you serious yeah yeah yeah yeah there's been a lot of guys that have won three you won Three-Point Contest no I never made it past the first round wait why uh well the first year the first year [Music] [Laughter] I cuz the rack is on the right side if you had the rack on the right side this is what drives me crazy though is like you again like you need people talking sh to you while you're shooting and then there's like facts and we have we have like cameras in the Arenas now we can track everything I can tell you that uh W Bama's release point is at 9.4 feet I can tell you that LeBron James this year on catch and shoot threes his right shoulder is turned six degrees more to the right so he's more Square than you C shoot very well so my point is are you a catch and shoot for like no of course I was but I was also one of the top off the dribble jump shooters in the NBA for years knew one of the best mid-range shooters in the NBA for years I wasn't just like when people say spot up I'm like I didn't even practice spot up three you didn't even practice it I didn't practice spot I didn't practice why would I why would he why he put it on the floor when am I getting this he put it on floor I'm moving also moving yeah come on bro yeah dude you see how these Browns try take us down man it's up bro I think this is what your senior thesis was about actually is you not being yo did you ever cross anybody up in the league is there anybody that you put on the floor on the floor no I mean I I I I had one on LeBron you crossed them up yeah but I missed the shot so it doesn't count damn hold on you went right Steph was off a jab step though I mean that was like he hit the deckit the deck but and he is this early ankle step or late ankle St no this was game seven of the 2014 playoffs oh jab step that one hurt no so like he was in help yeah Chris swung it to me and he the the angle he closed out on me yeah I would always when especially on the left side so I get to my right hand when guys would close out that way I would I would drive against the close out that would drive against the close out see watch this oh there we go oh my God look at this hold on hold on hold on think CP just SW it to wa here we go why dropped him that one hurt me I'm not sure I'm not sure how he fell though it was not like a special move that was the most basic move ever hold on hold on but you faked what I just drove away from his his his body like angle because he was terrified of you putting it on the floor right no he was trying to Let's watch that again dude I let's watch that again cuz he read The Scouting Report he's like he's JJ he's a cat a Sho guy he's a yeah that is up that they use that against us they really do okay so you drop you put Steph in the dirt um you cross the out of LeBron like just who who do you not take down like why do you try to take down this generation's Heroes you try to take the last generation's heroes every every I'm not taking anyone down bro Larry Bird you said uh couldn't hold your jock stra you said you said you said Steph is on the ground when he plays D against you like there's there's obviously there's you know there's some ego here you know mm yeah you sent Mark the clip before the Pod you're like yo bring this up randomly Google YouTube right but I think I think steep killed the white boy shooter I think that AR yeah cuz that used to be us yeah except for me I never was a shooter I would go to the B explain that further all right so back in the day and I know sounds crazy but whenever there was a white boy on the court we would just assume he's a shooter mhm and most of the time they wer a and so now that he's turned the game into shooting everybody's a shooter now so it's like he took away left he took away the one thing took away our super him making shooting cool made black people be like oh I'll shoot you and now what place is there for you guys you know what I mean they're taking your jobs dude they really are they sorry that's that's cuz you dropped him he's like oh yeah that's so what should we take back what should we take back deceleration we're good at that oh yeah we can go we don't have acceleration we got we just had a 15minute conversation on the part of you know the coolest thing of play Slow Down hey that luuka guy's really good to get slow out there on the cour dude so good but being slow is the new Fast the new it's the new Fast it is new you can do it like Luca then it's cool but yeah like you can't but also don't you think that Luca like gets away with stuff because so Charming with the female refs I've never noticed that a great clip of him oh he's just dude he's got that bulk and sve I love I love that what you put in the Google bar was Luca Wiz I'm not my brain it's the first video Google it's the first look at this look at him Riz this girl up she can't even control herself look at this oh what's up Shy yes a foul oh that's what we can take back flirting we're good at flirting yeah we can take that back why guys are the best of flirting in Le I mean you saw his co-host the other day on the bench but wait what happened what happened oh Le why are they giving LeBron so much LeBron can't even be friendly with the owner of the team he's on without everybody making a big deal of it it's a shame that's what do you call that sexism yeah that's that's sexism you know what I I realized just coming on the show what is that you guys are here you guys are here for the right reason you're here to just break down up institutional barriers exactly just like you dude you would do it through rap we do it through podcasting man we're trying to break the ceiling bro yeah we're allly exactly up late to practice you are an ally yeah what were you doing y why were you late to practice what do you think that was about you were on CPT what is that shut up that was great they don't teach you that to that was great CPD Chinese people time no no no Alex is the one who can only tell you what it's color people time we're known to be a little late Indians are too yeah we call it is which is weird Indian Standard Time Indian Standard time but white people we always show up on time you were 15 minutes early yeah that is true you got here before me I was crazy it's minutes early you know what's crazy he's supposed to be 30 minutes early but CP n he was L to me though I'm snitching sorry all right guys we're going to take a break for a second because some of y'all want to be Chef extraordinaire okay I don't know if you're watching the bear you're watching Hell's Kitchen you're watching Top Chef I don't know exactly what you're watching but you have the urge the desire to provide food for your loved ones and it's beautiful but don't mess it up because you really only get one chance if you're going to make the meal for your loved ones for a person that you're maybe just meeting for 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wealth and then I'm out of here or you going I'm winning an NBA championship what is going through your mind when you go to Orlando um the first thing was like can I get on the court which that took a while so there's a there's a process there's I mean this there's a process for every NBA player it was like can I can I get on the court can I get playing time can I like show that I'm good can I get paid and in a lot of times like for me early in my career I played on a great Orlando team it was about winning a championship I played against the Lakers in 2009 which was my third year I was still on my rookie contract yeah in terms of the longevity like I stayed four years so I turned 22 right after the draft Yeah so I played the four years I'm 26 in 2010 first time being a free agent and I really thought I was going to get a 5-year deal from Boston for the full mid-level were you guys talking no no I did I did not think that but IID played well against them two straight years in the playoffs so they're like okay we want this yeah yeah and then perk gets hurt in game six of the finals against the Lakers so they use the mid-level on Germaine O'Neal cuz perk was going to be out that season and so I sat there for 10 days and I had to wait on LeBron so a bunch of guys signed and then there was like a few teams that still had cap space that were waiting on LeBron Milwaukee uh Chicago was one of them so I signed with Chicago but it was a three-year deal and I remember thinking at the time like all right 29 maybe I could reup but the reason I wanted a 5-year deal because I was thinking 31 I'm I'm a undersized shooting guard with a negative wingspan I'm like likely this is going to be my last real contract so you're already looking at yeah and morality and then I made more money in my last four years than I did in my first 11 years okay so take us through that what is the you're going from Orlando I thought you go Orlando Milwaukee they uh I was a restricted free agent so I'm on my honeymoon so I spent 10 days stressing out on my honeymoon I finally signed with Chicago I'm in Florence I signed with Chicago I've got to wait um we then go to Barcelona and the entire we didn't even like we didn't do in Barcelona but walk around and talk yeah because we were like are we going to Chicago we don't know Chicago should we should we move to Chicago should we live in Chicago should we have an offseason home should we like what do we do like we need a home base like it was just like this really uncertain period yeah so I didn't really even enjoy Barcelona to be honest with you and then the last day there Orlando had seven days to match yeah so on the seventh day they said we're matching the contract you have to go back right so I then went back to Orlando the big thing for me was my last year in Orlando was our start of our rebuild Dwight left got traded to La Stan Stan was let go but you're hooping they bring in Jac Von and Jac came to me in preseason and he's like I don't I don't I I I don't want you to start because if you start it's you alalo and Jamir we're super undersized we're going to start Mo moh harkless so you're going to come off the bench but I want you to be my job I'm going to I'm going to literally the first time my career was like we're going to run plays through you when you're on the court we're running offense through you so I play well and was like to me that was the turning point of my career so I signed with LA and the the summer after my first year in La I'm season ends I'm 29 I'm getting ready to turn 30 I'm getting ready to have my first kid Steve Nash lived like two blocks from me so I keep running into him and I didn't really know Steve but he was always super kind to me and I one day I ran into him and I was like hey can I can I have coffee with you so we had went and had coffee and I just said to him dude you're one of the few guys at that point that had gotten better in their 30s he was an All-Star in Dallas like it wasn't like he was a bad but he when he went to Phoenix he got better in his 30s yeah it was jayen Brunson and he gave me some advice what he say uh shorter and harder you don't need to shoot 800 shots I know I know what you're going to say you're can you not be a child for five seconds he cannot what do you mean I didn't I didn't do anything I you know what okay I'll reward that for you the two white basketball players what's the best thing short and hard be more efficient be more efficient in your training meaning like and I'd always worked and I'd always worked on my game but it wasn't about volume it was about every specific thing that you are going to do on a basketball court do it at game speed and you don't need you don't need 20 reps do 10 perfect reps so my workouts ended up being the same amount of time hour to an hour and 15 on the court every day but they were they were more taxing is that a better word for you yes they were more taxing thank you okay so you started Jewish side yeah more taxing you started you started working out harder or have more taxing workouts and you found that that benefited you more you weren't like tired for the games you didn't feel like your body would be I actually I ran like ran like on a track or like I would go run like five miles at a specific speed to like build a base level heart rate I did that throughout my 20s by the time I got to like 30 31 and all my offseason workouts I my basketball workout was so difficult that I didn't need to supplement it as much now two weeks before the training camp started I would go find a turf field or I'd go find a track and I would I would do those CIO workouts but my basketball workouts were so difficult that like by the end of it I've lost 5 PBS in water weight I've built up my cardio and so being able to like play and move at that speed all the time that was essentally what created an advantage for me okay so you go to the Clippers you're already balling before you go to the Clippers though you're already showing the league that you can score yeah Doc Rivers didn't save my career if that's what you're asking me I wasn't going to ask it but it's funny okay what's up with you and Pat Bev going at it our boy Pat Bev it's my guy man okay good that's my guy I don't know okay so so you go there you're already hooping you go there do they bring you there specifically for that is this just a good match do you get a conversation where they're like hey we see what you can do you're going to get a lot of touches here and make it happen happen well so I'm I get traded at the end of my last year my contract is expiring they trade me for Tobias Harris who was a young player at the time on Milwaukee who wasn't playing a lot so I go to Milwaukee we lose in the first round to the Miami Heat and I thought I was going to go back to Milwaukee and by the time it got like three typically like the team your incumbent team can have some contact with you right before free agency they can you know it's not like a full negotiation but they'll like they'll check in with you or whatever so it's like crickets for like two months and I I'm like okay Milwaukee's not going to happen so my agent calls me in I was on vacation for my birthday anniversary I'm in Napa my agent calls me like can you be in LA in two days um the t-wolves and the Pistons want to meet with you so I'm like okay so I'm gonna meet with flip I'm gonna meet with Joe Dumars so we we decided to rent a car we rented and all they had at the time was like this twood door Nissan nice yeah it was great drove literally was my first time doing that drive all the way from Napa all the way to La we made stops in big Su we made stops in Santa Barbara it was awesome get to La I meet with flip I meet with Joe flip offers a contract and on our way down there uh Chris Rivers Doc's wife at the time had texted Chelsea because Chelsea had uh taught her in Pilates she said Can JJ have Doc's number so doc reaches out that night when free agency starts can you have dinner tomorrow so I've now met with the Pistons and the Wolves I go have dinner with Doc and at that dinner he said he said I think you've been used wrong uh I want to use you like Ray Allen now I don't know if that was a recruiting pitch because I had talked a lot and Ry knows this I just had him on my podcast Ray knows this like Ry was the guy I wanted to be I wanted to be Ray Allen I didn't want to be a white shooter I wanted to be Ray I wanted early Ray or late Ray early Ray JJ early Ray JJ he was dunking on people I know yeah I'll never forget in high school that when they would do like the rankings you know and they would give comps for players like my comp you know was always like a catch and shoot guy and one time you got I got Ray Allen is my comp and it was like a dream come dream I was like I've made it I've made it Ray is my comp anyway so when I went to LA like it I got all the Boston stuff that doc ran for Ray I got all that yeah great and he was he was forthcoming with this he was like listen we we we really want you to cook go out there shoot I didn't even know I was going to start like that's the thing like I remember uh first day of training camp we went to San Diego that year and Jamal Crawford was still there right and Willie Green had started the year before they used Jamal as like a bench player or not six-man whatever and I remember having a conversation with Jamal I was like do you know who's going to start he's like no I don't know you asked Jamal yeah so then I go to tou who was an at the time I go to T and I'm like I was like who's who's starting who's starting like I want to have some like head as I go into my first practice with the Clippers and he looked at me and he goes you like that and I was like okay so that was like a big I mean I did that and I ego issue with Jamal no with fam no he's the man no we him and I are yeah also I love him coming off the bench yeah that's what I think he knew just give him the ball great cuz like Doc also liked having all Ben at the time at least had like having all bench units yeah so Jamal just got to cook when he was out there did you ever try like in practice just try to stay in front of him Jamal and I never forget this one practice it was probably Glenn Davis was there soy shout out to I think he's doing porn but yeah he is um filming yeah filming filming for now that's how it starts camera but uh we were working on like some some player we were playing against was going to play Ice so jam you know I'm on the starting team Jamal's on the second unit so Jamal gets to be the iso guy and he like scored on me once and like Jamal carried the ball let's be honest so Jamal carried the ball so then like by the way so he scored on me once so everybody's like gassing them up gassing them up and then so then I get a couple stops or whatever and I'm like all right now it's my turn like give me the ball so I'm like kind of going to him I scor a couple times talking how' you score on him yeah who would pass you the I cross him over hit a little floater in the lane like sort of thing ISO it's like literally a we're on the right quadrant high right quadrant everybody's cleared out and we're just like dancing yeah we don't you don't got to lie here yeah anyways baby baby gassed me up after practice yeah what he say he's like y he can't hold you Jamal and I never once had a rivalry never had no from day one he's like the greatest teammate he's the man heard heard he's like he takes incredible care of his body great his teammate super smart guy doesn't smoke does drink yeah yeah gets to sleep handle basketall unbelievable never done a never done a ball handling drill in his life get the out of that's what he claims so what a guy like that what does he just have like incredibly fast wrists or whatever that is or it's just super long he can get to the ball so he's got it on string I think that's part of it with Kyrie too I don't know his wingspan relative to like his body like everybody's shape different I remember DeAndre Jordan I'm like dude you have no torso he's just all legs no torso he's all legs Vince Carter and I Vince is like 66 I'm like 6'4 so if Vince Carter and I sat next to each other like this I'm like two in taller than him oh he's all legs too he's all arms and legs and I I don't know I feel like Kyrie maybe I don't know his wingspan but I feel like Kyrie's like the you know anatomically is just like built so that he can handle the ball yeah he's obviously worked at it too yeah and just unbelievable touch like finishing ability what is that what do you think that would be touch to describe it like technically yeah did you oh here's a better question did you think you had good touch prolific shooter but did you think you had good touch around the rim had a few years where my float game was pretty good okay um my finishing numbers were pretty good like Prime of my career um I had a shoulder issue in two summer of 2016 um it was right after the season I led the league in three-point shooting that year I used to do the walkway you know the Steph walkway where you shoot like that year I had a few of those where like I'd shoot and i' turn run up it felt good I'm not going to lie it felt pretty good well we go to my wife and I went to Santa Barbara after after the season and I've got I've got soon to be one-year-old and I'm throwing him in the pool and I like my shoulder up I got MRI like there was nothing like structurally wrong with it structurally wrong with it rest of my career my shoulder was up so you know how Mark FS when he shoots his shoulder goes like this so the rest of my career I did that it really actually affected me the most on floaters and layups like even I I coach my kids and I'll be demonstrating a drill and like sometimes like I'll go shoot an uncontested right-handed layup and I'll miss it cuz my shoulder just like I can't activate my scapula correctly I have a bad scapular movement yeah same exact thing and you make up for it by just moving your entire shoulder instead yeah comp instead of doing this rotation yeah I used to when I when shoot free throws at the end of my career so normally I would just shoot free throws like this right at the end of my career I had to put the ball out like activate my otherwise this thing would come up and I'd be shooting like this okay so what happens with three-point shooting then I compensated how I'd sometimes shoot like that and then I just compensate for the angle of my shot what does that mean well again I wasn't a catch and shoot guy spot up move on the move not you're not actually shooting at a moving Target but you are so like if you're coming off a pin or like I remember there's one shot I made you can pull it up if you want there I'll go on the text I'll go on the text there was white boy I'll find okay there was one shot I made we were playing uh it was LeBron's first year in La so it was my second year in Philly we're playing LeBron on like a Sunday ABC game Ben gets a long rebound I'm over in the right corner in front of their bench and I'm on a dead Sprint to the right corner Ben's doing his little you know thing and he throws it to me and I'm on a dead Sprint and I look down to make sure I'm in bounds I catch the ball kind of turn all in one motion and I shoot it behind the backboard and the shot did not feel good cuz my shoulder did the thing it wasn't like I would occasionally get to shoot a pure shot where like my shoulder didn't do it but my shoulder did the thing so I'm like behind the backboard Reggie Bullock fouled me it was a four-point play he's in my lap and so I'm like literally like all right I got to you know in the Split Second like I got to shoot it and point at that moving Target and the ball went in and I turn to TJ McConnell and I go that was tough like that and I still think to this day that was the greatest shot I ever made in my life okay what would we put in to get this shot I don't know who are you playing Lakers JJ reic fourpoint play Lakers maybe I uh I had 21 points that game wait I still don't understand what you're doing to compensate for the shot so shoulder goes up I I would just if it happened what my point is if it happened which it did no that's a different one that's you know that's just a normal four-point play here's the question I see Justified I thought it was wrong until right now y actually since while we're pulling this up basketball players have crazy re is that all basketball players that have recall like that I've always heard LeBron remember any Play From Any Time in his career photog about Bill Russell too Bill Russell um a lot lot of a lot of players do a lot of players do what do you attribute that to so someone can you do this with stor your tells when I first I remember a lot of yeah I remember a lot of yeah that's it right here let's go let's go this it right here Simmons pass it to you great shot that's ridiculous hold on but I don't see your shoulder coming up go back go back go back if you I I I think I can zoom in oh oh look right there it's up it's up oh oh you're saying you're up here before you even bringing your arm up yep yep and then oh wow curious was the team aware of this injury there oh I I oh wow it is look at it activation I do it all the time look at it look at it look yeah you can see the slant that's not how you should shoot a basketball yeah but like did you hide it because I wouldn't hide it cuz I shot 43% from three so it works so it helps it's kind of a rookie of the year situation kind yeah injur better Rookie of the Year bro this is brilli so and did why didn't you try do more catch and shoots cuz that was actually really good the best you're really good at it I did a lot of catch and shoots I was a good catch and shoot player and it's fine you say that yeah the way you said it though called you a Hony I was going to say the recall thing so when I first started calling games like when you recall when I called you C when I first started calling games I I remember I had a a Warriors game and we were in The Green Room and uh we were talking about my recall so Raymond who's their head of PR yeah and Steve kerw walk in and uh whoever was I think it was Ryan ruko but he was like hey Steve do you have recall he's oh yeah I have recall you I'm getting older now blah blah blah he's like apparently JJ has crazy recall so Raymond's in the room I've called 12 Warriors games since then every single time he has a question for me about a specific game so I'm like 11 for 11 and he comes to me on Saturday night and he's like what's the biggest lead your team has ever lost and and to lose a game and I was like I think it was the lockout year and he's like do you remember who anything about it the opponent the thing and I said I I can't and it was the first time I didn't get but then once he said the game I was like I were you right about lockout year it was a lockout year the Boston Celtics ichwan Mo came off the bench at 5 threes Avery Bradley just completely we were up like 24 and we lost yeah I remember the game so what do you attribute that to because it it seems like a thing a lot of maybe pro athletes but NBA in particular have is that something that helps you as a pro like I just don't know where it comes from um if I could turn my brain off I would uh it's not necessarily like it's not a good thing yeah it's not a good thing I was the green room today at first take in Kimberly Martin who does NFL I didn't even know I was doing it and she was like what is going on in your brain I've like what is that face you're making what is going on in your brain staring at her feet no I was literally I was looking out the window I was looking at the East River like this yeah and she's like what's going on in your brain and I had had one of my friends that still plays in the NBA and said I want to come stay with you this summer and work on some catch and shoot stuff and I was literally going through the drills weit what kind of what what what did he want to work with you this summer like movement shooting movement shooting not spot up shooting he can do that on I want you to know I was kidding and I was trying to jab you you a confirming brain is just like this so like the the the you know it's a good thing but then it's like you're constantly being reminded of every like I'll have and I'll like literally some days I'll be like man that one shot no game five against the Boston Celtics in 2018 if I make that shot we probably win game five we go back to Philly maybe we force a game seven like how brain what how open were you I was wide open yeah T.J McConnell drove Baseline I was on the left wing they helped on him we had a cut maybe he Sid's been on the pass in defense but and my shoulder did the thing and my shoulder did the thing I was short damn yeah yeah but do you overthink sometimes like because you're always on constantly like calculating does that ever happen in game this [Music] is occasionally but no I I don't occasionally want to compare but there's a similar comic it's too fast that's the thing I love it happens on the golf course right it happened on the golf course for sure it's a static sport basketball's Freedom it's Dynamic it's no it's freedom from your brain yeah you need to be present every single second of the day cuz you're slow and white so you know you know what I mean like like in high school you could check out you could think about all these different things but no no but it remember Coach Collins Chris Collins came to a high school game your year I committed a Duke at this point came to a game and I had 28 points 12 rebounds Rec and he called me after the game we played Salem and he called me after the game and he like he's like bro I was so disappointed in your performance tonight there were so many possessions that you took off so your point yeah in high school it was I go get 28 and 12 and just but the league is perfect for you because for what is it an hour a night two hours a night your brain actually shuts off yeah I I think people feel that way about like surfing definitely paddle boxing as a comic crowd work I have a similar my brain doesn't shut off it's not always a good thing I can't sleep a lot my brain is just going going but part of the reason I'm I I I think I'm good at crowd work is my brain just gets to listen and react I don't have any time to overthink anything what do you say what's a clever response that's it so first take is like that for me yeah got stay in the moment it's live yeah it's live you're just in the moment I remember calling games is like that too oh games for sure calling games is the hardest thing yeah it's the hard the hardest why it's cuz like even first take you have the you have the um the topics ahead of time you iare I learned my first year I was like I got to be on every production call so I I every time I'm on first take I get on the production call at 7:30 in the morning do the production call then take my kids to school come back home get ready go so I know ahead of time exactly what we're going to talk about now sometimes Mad Dog may say something Stephen A may say something that you react to in real time but you're prepared a game I don't know what's going to happen in a game and I've got to talk about it in a way that's not repetitive or redundant it's not like okay I know yic is going to get post UPS I can't just keep saying he's posting up so you have to think like on the fly all the time about what's happening and how you want to say it plus I've worked a lot of three-person booths so last year this year I've worked a lot with RJ now I'm working with Doris and Mike and that is a challenge it's more two person biroth really cuz probably there's less time to talk you have to do everything quicker like explaining things that could take you have unlimited time here the game is so fast now too the game is like it's not the NFL it's not baseball yeah where there's 15 seconds between a pitch or NFL where you have two different replays after every single play what are they saying your responsibility is in the booth to celebrate the game so it's about the game so but they're not saying that you have to do play byplay That's Mike Breen Hall of Famer exactly so so they're basically you're doing color commentary color commentary exactly so what does that exactly mean are you describing what that player feeling in the moment what play they should do why they did that play hopefully it hopefully it's a mix of Technical and conversation got it um you know particularly in a in like a three-person booth you you want to have like chemistry with the people there's camaraderie it's awesome for sure um so then the other responsibility a lot of times is is timeouts going to timeout they typically you get one or two replays um and then something called pod Busters which are essentially uh within a quarter at the end of a quarter they may show like a two or three play highlight package of LeBron scoring and transition or whatever it may be um por Zing is spotting up from three right and you have to sort of cover that but the play byplay I mean that's like a skill that you have to go to school for and practice and it's like I didn't practice to be a color totally I'm just wondering what they say your responsibility is like what do the producers when they hire you for it say that you have to bring to the broadcast uh my insight to basketball got it yeah got it yeah yeah yeah I remember my boss said to me he was like as much as you can share share but you have to do it in a way something called laying out yeah you have to be able to lay out too which means laying out means you shut the up so like Tony Romo at the end of the Super Bowl didn't lay out he didn't let Jim Nance set the stage right yeah apparently I I heard few people talking about this a game-winning play in the Super Bowl you the announcer makes one line and then you just let the crowd speak the noise this is this Inon even after a big moment so that was the one piece of advice I got so I never called a game I they gave I begged my first year at ESPN I was like can I please call a game can I please call a game so they were like fine you can call Philly New York and I think it was New York Miami or Philly Miami so my first two games were regular season games in March and the only piece of advice they said was like you just got to lay out sometimes don't overt talk mhm Joel MB texted me after the first game he's like dude you didn't speak in the first quarter I'm curious if one of my favorite young upand cominging players makes it to the league like how would you pronounce his name it's a good thing that you don't announce football huh yeah but you know I'm just saying you want another water did you see this guy did you see this I I this poor guy right what a poor guy we're not going to see that name in any of your poems are we okay uh have you ever had a player get mad for your commentary yeah these are your friends you your contemporaries what do you mean by that like you say something and you're like oh he did this thing wrong and someone hits you up and they're like no that's not what happened I did it differently you you didn't see it properly um not on a game on some commentary yeah yeah yeah and how do you handle that I just I talked to him like we're friends and then they understand well also I try to understand them right I try to understand them yeah it's happened it's happened a few times I can think of two off the top of my head for example can you share No private SE got ever been threatened no no no ever been threatened on the court uh yeah where uh um kg oh kg kg came at me a few times wait what' he say I don't remember exactly what he said so in 09 I didn't play a lot at the time and so uh Courtney Lee broke his face Dwight Howard like hit him teammates hit him with the Del he was a starter so game six against Philly close out game in Philly I start Play well so we then play the defending champs Boston Celtics and Stan comes to me he's like you're you're going to chase Ray Allen for the next however many games he's like you have no help responsibilities just real quick what's that like this is Ray that's your guy hell okay okay but cool proba it was the coolest thing ever yeah okay so you're chasing him so I'm chasing him so anyways kg was hurt that Series yeah I remember so he's on the bench and but he's still kg you know what I mean he's still animated talking and it was like every time I would go by their bench he's got a comment you know and then I remember one time we were playing him when he was in back in Minnesota this was like 2015 is whatever I was with the Clippers and he he tried me like you know what I mean he tried to get me going tried to get me to respond to something and I didn't and then I hit a big shot and he told Sam Cassell after that game he was like yeah I knew that white boy was going to hit something I knew I had to try to get him out of the game I mean this kg man so the finals that year you make it you play the Lakers it's Kobe and I mean it's disrespectful probably thinking on some level oh I got to avoid the Celtics who beat me last year kg was hurt what's that whole situation like you're playing the finals for the first time you're playing Kobe what is that like it was interesting so I started seven straight playoff games MH and then we played Cleveland in the conference Championship I didn't play in game one I played nine minutes in the second quarter had seven points um did not play any of the other games so go into the finals did not play why though in game one it's a blowout I get at the end and the Lakers Phil didn't take his starters off so Kobe's still out there so I'm guarding him at the end of this game and I hit a three and I I think I got like I'm going to be not generous but factual here I think I got two stops against Kobe in the late in the fourth quarter they're going to win the game two stops but it was like I battled them you know what I mean felt good about it so then I'm like oh so then I played in game two we lose we go down 20 I don't play in game three game four I play a lot game five I don't play till the end of the end of the game in the fourth quarter so it's a very like up and down thing I always tell people this it wasn't like a highlight because we lost and it hurt so bad and it was the closest I ever got but truthfully like the high point of my career was getting to guard I guarded Kobe Bryant yeah in the NBA Finals yeah there's like you know I have multiple pictures saved of like me and him there pictures of him and I'm in the background but it's like that's something that you know tell my grand kids for sure greatest player you've ever played against you're goingon to put you're going to put put it there I'm I'm really curious um he's the greatest player ever guarded like ever had to guard I didn't have to guard LeBron right I I didn't necessarily have to guard Steph right but those those three guys yeah and I'll put I'll put Katie in there too oh really yeah yeah wow those are the those are the four those are the four yeah and did you feel like when you're going up against him outside of natural gifts uh extreme preparation did you feel like he just knew what was happening on the floor at all points in time Kobe yeah I'll I've told this story once before so my senior year of college was the first year that they did a pool for USA Basketball they they they do this now all the time they say there's 40 names or 25 names whatever it is that are being considered for these 12 roster spots for at the time it was the 06 it was World Championships so me and Adam Morrison get named as pool players that first summer I had a herniated disc at L5 S1 so I didn't do summer league I didn't do USA basketball but I got to go out and watch the next summer because they didn't win they had to qualify so this was like a 12-day training camp prior to qualifying so I got to spend time around everybody two stories from that number one first day I get there I land at whatever noon Vegas time I hit up Coach Collins and Coach wjo who are helping Coach K out and I said I need to get in the gym so I get in the gym coach Dawkins comes he looks Haggard like he looks exhausted I'm like JD what's what's what the going on he's like Kobe man he had me in here at 6:00 a.m. he was in here for three hours he was working on the counter to the counter to the counter and he had to make 10 shots in a row like this was the type of dude all those stories about Kobe being a psycho work they're all true yeah so that was cool end of the first practice comes and Kobe is like hey do you want to shoot and I'm like yeah yeah I'll shoot and at the time I'm thinking he wants to shoot with me because he's being a good guy yeah and then we shoot like 15 minutes into it I realize he's watching how I shoot watching how I'm catch the wall watching my footwork wow he's trying to pick something up and I'm not saying like I oh he's picking up but he was just always trying to learn he was always trying to get oh I was thinking to defend you I thought he was trying I thought he was trying to demoralize you like you think you could he was watching no he was watching my form I had you know reputation from duke like he was literally watching to try and pick something up and do you think that he caught anything no probably not probably not I wasn't that good I wasn't that good my one of my favorite parts of the uh what is it the redeem team documentary is uh when everybody's talking about you know Kobe told everybody you know we're up at in the morning everybody's like so we started getting up at 6: morning we're working out and then it cuts to melow and he goes I'll be honest I ain't waking up at [Laughter] 6 BOS and dwade I've told the story where like they all go out they all go out they come back they get back to the hotel Kobe's like they're back at 600 a.m. he's at the breakfast table with ice on his knees cuz he just got done working out yeah this is psycho man are there any are there any people that can excel in the NBA at that level without an extreme work ethic no you just can't do it no right no so like explain braon and I were braon and I were talking about this on episode one of our our show mind the game also haven't watched the game no no literally is because if you haven't watched it it is the best podcast out right now if you are a casual fan of basketball you will be obsessed and if you're obsessed with basketball forget this is everything you want they're not trying to water down the game yeah there are two basketball nerds geeking out over basketball and don't give a flying if you understand it or not and it I actually like what you did in the beginning where you explained a few of the plays I thought that was really important and then bringing it out during it was very helpful you get the graphics I saw a social clip and and it didn't have it the little clip I saw you know what's funny was the only thing we couldn't find something for after the fact we found it on WNBA and we found it on college basketball because that that coverage the Baseline out of B we we couldn't find it in the NBA interesting and now like people have posted on like and like this was the thunder in 2019 I couldn't find that clip but I remember seeing that clip before I watched the episode going o it'd be so nice if they had like Graphics or something so we would understand and I remember and then the beginning of the episode you're explaining these two place anyway it's awesome I'm sure all of you have already watched it if not go watch it and they're continuing to release episodes so you were six anyways the only reason that popped in my brain is cuz we put the social clip out today talks about this like the idea of not of like being Elite in the NBA and not working to an extreme level right it's impossible and the thing he says which I laughed at and I think it's hilarious is he said what does discipline mean discipline means you sacrifice loved ones that was crazy and but and it's like it's actually I thought I thought what you said was great too which is like you're like I've said to my wife and family this is a selfish Endeavor I had so much guilt over that and and and my wife my wife she like I'm traveling All Season yeah I'm traveling all season right we have 41 Road games playoffs I'm locked in there was a time I I had to guard James Harden a lot when I played for the Clippers and he was on the rockets and we had a Sunday ABC game and her family was in town her parents and her her aunt and we went to this little uh Mexican place in um in Manhattan Beach and I was zoned out of course Kimberly Martin in the green room today I was zoned out thinking about what am I doing with my footwork when James goes to this move right I'm thinking about this we get home Chelsea's like where the were you at dinner and I was like I'm literally thinking about guarding James Harden tomorrow I'm sorry I couldn't be there so not only when I was in season when I wasn't like on the road I wasn't there all the time yeah right and so I had this tremendous sense of guilt and and I found this quote about uh you know striving striving for greatness is the stupidest thing but it wasn't the quote but it's like that is a selfish Pursuit yeah and I had to like accept it and live with it y yeah sus and the people that love you also have to accept it yeah Chelsea has thank God yeah thank God it is but it's a good perspective to have because it's very easy to like flip it and frame it as hey I'm a provider and that's all I do and it's like no no no we do this for ourselves too yeah and the people that love us understand that it you know feeds our souls as well and we also happen to provide a pretty awesome life and that's great people benefit but once you got that that 23 million from uh the 76ers you could have taken off a little bit but you're like it send me to Dallas this is this is my problem in life yeah it's a good thing and a bad thing okay so I was very routine oriented and it wasn't just the routine of like this is how I'm going to put my socks on I meant the work the work was very routined and so what happened throughout my career care is this is my Baseline level of work and once it became manageable this is my Baseline level of work and once it became manageable this is my basine and the same thing is happening right now see it Med you got three podcasts it's like like last year I added a second show on Monday right I started calling games full-time it was a little bit of a trip and then I got to the point I was like okay I figured out how to manage this and all a sudden it's like all right let's do a LeBron show 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really think you are changing the trajectory of what a sports analyst is that's really interesting because before maybe the basketball guys weren't skilled at the analysis part and then just speaking on Camera Part the communication part yeah the communication part is hard it's an art also right and people are doing that you know dedicating their whole lives to do it but now you have an expectation where not only should you be able to communicate effectively you better have also played the game yeah I I want to respond to what you just said and I appreciate that and it's like truly I mean this it means something to me to hear you say that doesn't mean a lot it just means it does it does because because you you recognize um I think what is important to me I don't I want to be clear on this though I don't want to change anything I want to fill a void cuz there always going to be people that want to be entertained in a certain way Sports is an escape fandom is an escape and that's important and like how how am I taxed as an NBA player I'm taxed as an Entertainer I know I know what I'm providing phandom is is part of people's identity it's an Escape and in some ways Sports media is that too so I'm not trying I'm not trying to change anything I'm trying to fill a void it's interesting for what I see when when you first came on The Air I remember thinking oh this has been missing and now I'm looking at you and like oh I don't know it's not a Pandora Pandora's Box is the only parallel like inica but like now that we've seen this maybe there's a just maybe there's another way to add to the ancillary coverage of sport yes and the ancillary way we talk about sports it kind of feels like uh when Tony Romo started announcing and he started like breaking down the game a little bit more less just like trying to entertain and that's what I feel he was like guessing plays and it was really exciting to watch because he'd be right and the difference here is what you when you hear guys comment on Sports like broadcasting they will say Romo seems to have gotten lazier for lack of a better word I don't think anybody's ever going to say that about you it's constant prep it's constant knowing the game in and out and just like Obsession H how do NBA players go broke they don't anymore is that right I'm shocked bro I'd be shocked tell me tell me tell me tell me all right so I'll tell you how it happens happened more so I I don't know what the average but during my career the average NBA career was like 4 and a half years roughly okay so if you play four and a half years that means you're not getting to a real second contract you're likely making 750 1.2 1.5 maybe you get an exception 2.9 okay so you've made $8 million over four and a half years let's call it youve made $10 million over five years all right you've got $5 million to spend you're in the NBA you're going to get a nice car you're probably going to buy a nice house but you're going to take care of your parents before you spend another dollar you're like you got to pay your agent right so you're you're now that how is that supposed to last you the rest of your life it's yeah there were guys that I played with that I felt at the time oh you played 10 years and you made $35 million all right do the math on that do the math on that add in the spending add in the spending that's how it happens like my financial advisor told me that from day one right it's all about spending it's not all about the intake it's out the the outtake too it's what it's it's what you go spend money on right now the reason I say it's it's just not going to happen as much now is have you seen these contracts yeah they're making big money yeah even the rookies what's a rookie contract they they changed the rookie scale okay they changed the rookie scale so like my my rookie contract was four years 8.9 which was I mean I was broke we were did not have money that was a shitload of money right very grateful for every dollar I made the 11th pick now I I don't know the exact number he's probably making 20 okay so even with for reference most of my career the mid-level exception was around $5 million a year and now which was like you're a rotation player yeah yeah what is it now the average 12 and a half so the a so a Max contract think about coming out of the lockout coming out of the lockout there were a few guys that were on their rookie deals that went and signed a Max contract right and it was like 4 years 58 uh Vince Carter and chony bips when you signed Max contracts 4 years 64 Jaylen Brown just signed a Max contract 5 years $34 million je it's a there's a difference wow difference so even those guys that are just getting that rookie deal are probably making life-changing money Zion Williams the number one pick he made he's going to make four he made $44 million on his rookie deal on and if you get to that second contract forget it but you it was your third or your fourth there where you actually really made money I did uh you pocket watching here yeah son I got the notes I got the notes cuz I know about the big uh the Philly deal the Philly deal was so I I did a three-year deal with Chicago that was good money um I did a four-year deal with LA that was good money those were both around like six or seven a year yeah you know and then Philly and then I did another one-year deal with Philly and then I did a two-year deal with New Orleans what did you get for yourself when you did the uh when you got that Philly deal cuz I know that that's that's a nice real special thing you had to get yourself something Uh I that was 2017 yeah for like 5 years I was obsessed with vintage watches oo obsessed okay like I'm a I'm an obsessive deep diver person yeah yeah so I like I collected whatever I had one point I was like am I a dealer am I am I a watch dealer is that okay what did you get yourself so I'm tell you so 2017 my parents were stressed to the nines they had been retired for a few years but like not enjoying it so I called them up to to um to New York I had all my I'm 105 we all the siblings come in and we're basically like pick a city where you have grandkids so you can live in New York you can live in Denver you can live in Raleigh but you got to pick a city I'm going to buy you a house and I'm going to I'm going to you know take care of it yeah I'm going to take care of you take care of it so that's essentially what I did with not all the money but like you tell was a watch store didn't you sell the watches to get that's not I didn't have a I didn't have a car when I moved to New York yeah cuz I had like a deal where I had a free Tahoe so I had this Tahoe and I moved to New York I'm not have a Tahoe New York so I gave it back to the dealership in LA and I get to New York and I'm like what's the cheapest nice car I can lease this was after I signed my deal I've got to get a Range Rover Sport so I'm driving that to game you're driving to Philly I forgot you liveed in New York the valet guys at the arena Ben's pulling up in his Jo dri of a license but everybody's got like nice cars and they I remember them saying to me like why don't you have a nice car I'm like the Rover it's a nice car man what how how did you not let the money affect your desire to be great like have you seen that with guys where they make they make that first check and they go let me kind of let me Coast a little bit uh I found a great quote at one point my life you it's it's so corny I'm say it anyways you've never arrived you're always becoming right it's the idea I remember there were guys I so my McDonald's All-American Game was in Madison Square Garden okay first time I ever played on National Television right I remember being there and getting the sense like everybody all anybody was talking about like I'm going to the league I'm going to the league I'm going to the league that was not my mindset my mindset was like I want to destroy these this week and then I got the capital classic next week in DC I want to destroy them I want to get ready for Duke there was never like this sense of I've made it I even like late mik I was there was a paranoia you know what I mean I'm sure you feel a paranoia about what you guys don't feel that we might just explain what you're saying a paranoia that somebody's going to take your yes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that everything you work for isn't really going to work out yeah yeah yeah and I don't want to call it impostor syndrome but there's a like I think I think people that are just like I want to be I want to be great at this thing yeah it's there's I guess what there's a lot of people that want to be great at basketball there's a lot of people and you know young guys would come in every year there's 30 first round picks there's 30 second round picks there's guys coming over from overseas and you're like all right my my job like everybody wants my job I'm going to I'm going to have to do everything I can to keep it it wasn't it wasn't I wanted to make money don't get me wrong is it hard I wanted the suit but is it hard to separate that like you have to be on a team you have to congeal you have to believe in these guys they have to fight for you they have to support you but at the same time their ability to provide for their families could be affected by you and your ability to provide for your family could be affected by them they're trying to come for your spot can you ever really like love one another and really get on the same page there's a there's a that's always underlying in professional sports I think um particularly in I I I really believe this particularly in basketball um you know baseball you bat every nine times it's it's you play a position position you're specialized you don't know when a guy's going to hit a grounder to the short stop right uh pitchers they pitch every 5 days um football same sort of deal I'm sure there's internal competition for a position but again there's a job that the left tackle has to do there's a job that the tight end has to do um in basketball it's like everybody has a job for sure but there it requires a lot soccer's similar thing it requires a lot and typically the people that score the most get the most right there's a finite amount of resources so it's always underlying but I I never felt like at least the locker rooms I was in there was this competition to like if if if I get this you don't get this i' never felt that really there was never anybody coming for your spot when you're starting with the Clippers you never felt well I guess Jamal would be the one coming in but like there was never at any team where you were starting to get more minutes and you were taking them quotequote from somebody my first year in Philly we made the Conference Finals I was the second leading score on the team and we um our fiveman starting lineup had the best it was the best fiveman starting lineup in the entire NBA that year um in terms like net rating per 100 possessions or whatever and they come to me my second year and they said uh we want to start Mar marel folz and have you come off the bench and I said okay that's fine no no because I because you just made 23 no no no it wasn't that at all it was it was like I remember Brett Brown he he got a like a six-minute recording from Manu jobi talking about Manu was talking it was to me Manu was talking about you know his emotional experience of Pop telling me he was going to come off the bench and not start and I we got done with a recording I was like I love Manu is one of my favorite players ever I was like Brett you didn't have to do that I literally don't care that's kind of nice because I knew no because I knew like I was going to I was going to play 30 minutes a game I was G to I was going to get two-man action with Joel I was gonna be on the break with Ben Simmons doing catch and shoot threes like it was like why do I why do I I don't care about starting it was important at one point in my life yeah to be like I'm a starter in the NBA yeah but once that happened I didn't care okay so once you checked that off it wasn't there okay Coach K oh yeah exceptional my understanding is exceptional leader that's what I've been told by people maybe not um the X's and O's or offensive genius like Mike dantony but in terms of his ability to get people on the same page and Lead exceptional was that your experience with him okay and what makes him so exceptional um say two things about I say three things about Coach number one my dad is like my hero coach is the next guy M and then it's like everybody else and I've been around some phenomenal people and I had some great mentors and some great coaches but those two guys they're just they're special um second thing is I never saw him have a bad day did he make mistakes sure he made mistakes like a substitution or a game plan like he made mistakes but I never he put every single thing into every day there Wright Thompson wrote this article on him during his last season it's this notion like coach would light himself on fire and we we all saw that we all saw that we get back from blackburg Virginia after a loss and we have a 2-hour meeting at 3:00 a.m. in the morning and come to practice the next day H coach was in here at 6:00 a.m. watching film you know he went home showered said hi to Mickey said hi to his dogs came back like he he he was fully invested at all times there a incredible lesson to learn when you're 19 years old what that looks like and I got to see it the other thing I would say is like when people talk about him the good qualities the leadership qualities the communication the motivation qualities they're all true and then some like they're all true and how would he motivate you did he lock in specifically to a part of your personality and Coach you in a unique way um there were certain guys that required uh like a little nudging I was not one of those guys but I still got tested a lot and uh sometimes it was just like a word you're being catch and shooty no you're being yeah you're being this a yeah like that's oh really he would use curse words no I mean not like I'm not using that word but likeing implication that yeah yeah something it was like that it was like that or um you're like I remember one time it was you're being a brat I was like you're a fraud you're you're entitled prick like it was stuff like that so he would play into what he thought maybe your insecurities were and then that some of that came from Coach Collins too but I you know yeah they obviously talked so it's like yeah yeah it was just like that stuff you know the worst thing that any coach has ever said to me was came from Coach K and it was after my sophomore year really struggled that year wanted to quit that was like the height of like everybody hates yeah everybody hates me tried to quit in December my sisters talked me out of it uh really struggled second semester I played well for most of the uh season but I really struggled started taking anti-depressant started seeing a therapist and I was a knucklehead I was out I was like living the Frat life and trying to play Duke basketball and like they knew that this was happening so the season ends so for four straight Saturdays he may be coming at 8 a.m. to to meet with him and in one of those meetings he we lost to Yukon in the final four that year and in one of those meetings he said to me we weren't you we we didn't win a National Championship because you weren't worthy of being a champion and that crushed me and it changed my life also how no one no coach could ever say say that about me again in that you are always prepared always dedicated 100% great teammate all that stuff now does Coach K know this is what I'm assuming he knows that you have the Constitution to handle criticism like that and that that is a motivator where some people that might kind of crumble them I think that's one of his gifts I think that's one of his gifts is to what measure character you no no just like knowing what is required with each player I I coach my uh my kids travel team and it's it's some of that is like I can talk to this kid this way I can coach kid this it's not just like verbal confrontation it's how you coach a kid trying to figure out how they're motivated uh what their triggers are like getting them to get by in like all that stuff he just he has a gift with figuring that out for each individual guy that was that was part of his gift I think W and would he like would he set aside time to figure out out each one of you so there would be non basketball activities you guys would just meet in in the office like what two meetings that stand out soon as I got on campus I just turned eight uh just turned yeah just turned 18 years old and he met with every freshman we were doing uh summer school before our freshman year and he had me in there and he said what do you hope to accomplish a Duke that's the framework so he holds on to that going into my second year we had the same sort of meeting what do you want to do this year and I I had written down these goals I tell him the goals and he goes and what exactly have you done this summer to accomplish that H like I think to going back we're going to go full circle here going back to high school I always practiced and I always worked I didn't miss games like I was always in it going back to high school because it was easier there was this it was wrong to think this way but it's the truth in high school it's like well I'm going to grow I'm going to get stronger I'm gonna you know get a new level of testosterone and I'm going to be better than I was last year and I'm going to be better than I was the year before and then it's and then you get to your senior year like okay I'm really good I'm better than I was as a freshman and it the older you get it just doesn't work that way yeah you step up a level of competition and it's like so you know I had a good freshman year and and my mindset was like I did what they asked me to do but I didn't do extra I didn't go above and beyond here's a conditioning okay I'll do the conditioning workout but I didn't try to win the conditioning workout that's the difference and so once I and it was really between my sophomore and Junior once I get got that in my brain of like what are you willing to do that no one else is willing to do okay now I can like actually write down some things on a piece of paper and try to go accomplish that what' you write down that year I never wrote down another goal in my life why um why would I I can't control the goals I I I really believe that like I I learned like you can't I I can control what I can control and that is the work that is my Approach that is my preparation I can control how I interact with people I had like a couple blowups in the NBA I joke all the time with like people I'm like NBA is so competitive and so high stress everybody should be allowed two blowups a year you know what I mean what were your blow what were your blowups so like I just I just remember like a couple of them there was one that I had in Milwaukee and one that I had in um my last year with the Clippers and both were with coaches honestly I don't think I ever had a blow up with a teammate I certainly like certain teammates we would be direct with each other but it was never never like a blow up right uh the coaching Milwaukee I was guarding Ben Gordon and they were running a dribble handoff on one side and the big would dribble handoff with him and he turned the corner and it's Ben Gordon I can't go underneath the dribble handoff because he's just going to shoot a three he's got insane shooter so I would Chase over the top and obviously I'm chasing so I'm behind him now the big wasn't providing help and he scored a couple times on floaters so we go to a timeout and uh the big was Josh McRoberts who I played with the dude insane passer so they're like top lock him which means basically get on the high side of him deny him from coming off the dribble handoff and I said to him but he's just going to back door and get a layup like why would I play the defense that way and that led to one thing to another and I blew up and I regret that I do regret that and then Brendan oconor who's a one of he's one of my favorite coaches I've ever had we tried to implement a defensive coverage against the Pistons okay mid game that we' never practiced before yeah and uh uh we went over it in film afterwards it didn't work in the game we it's actually a good concept that we just never never practiced it and so I was kind of like when you're unsure in the NBA on coverage you're going to get you're like the Split Second you hesitate you're done so we talked about it in the film session the next day and I like pushed back a little bit on the coverage and one thing led to another and then he said to me just shut the up and do your job whoa and that was very hurtful to me because I'm like that's all I do is my job and I just I went ballistic I blacked out I don't know what I said I went and sat on the bus while everybody else shot around for 30 minutes no way yeah yeah and have you spoken to the coaches since well Jim Jim I never really came across again I would always be friendly with him um that was jimble and not the coach from Chicago but Jim who was the older guy end up going to Cleveland with tou yeah um it was fine things happen it's all good Brenan oconor every time I see him we joke about it about it oh yeah he calls me bubs cuz I called everybody bubs because of white chocolate yeah yeah Jason Williams is the Mane who's the who's the best player leader that you played with someone that in the locker room can geal the whole group or you're like I'll go through a brick wall for this guy um so CP was a CP was a great leader um really he had a very direct style of leaders I thought everybody hates him no he had a very direct style of leadership okay and so that was he does have that rep yeah yeah that people don't like playing with him ha it honestly the probably the two best guys and they were very influ influential for me for how they LED was early in my career I had I had Rashard Lewis and I had jir Nelson and those guys for me were like the best and what did they do that that inspired you jir was a was a connector so jir was big on like team dinners he would have everybody to Philly for a week he would set up paintball he would set up a Phillies game we batting practice with the Phillies like he was just like a connector so it was that idea of like we're on a team let's be friends yeah like I think it's it's a very simple thing and we all had that probably in high school you don't necessarily have that in the NBA yeah and professional sports so like he was like a connector Rashard it's funny because I talked with Ry about this on the podcast but like Rashard learned how to work from Ray I learned how to work from Rashard uh I'll never forget like Rashard Lewis first day he shows up after he signs at the time the biggest contract in six years 123 million he pocket watching yeah we got it we got it it's the only thing we can do no but he but he um I'll never forget like I'm again I'd been around the league one year and he had that mentality that I talked about like where it's like it's not like I didn't arrive I didn't be I I didn't you know I didn't make it I still got to do the work yeah and watching him work out and he's like hour and a half full lather working on every single part of his game comes back the next day does it again and that's how he was the whole time I was his teammate it was like a consistency to him and I think the best leaders are consistent consistent yeah the same guy every day best compliment I ever got as an NBA player and I really mean this Philly my second year there Philly wrote an article about I don't remember this the angle of the article but there was a quote in there from Jimmy and he was like I love I love being JJ's teammate because he's the same guy every day and I was like that's dope and an incredibly chaotic environment like the NBA having that consistency is probably amazing you don't know if you're getting traded you don't know if you're getting minutes you don't know the defense are throwing at you but there's a guy every single day is going to show up and get to work and that's probably helpful for Coach too yeah Jimmy Butler what makes him different this is he was like a not a highly drafted player second round I want to say and now he's what makes him different I mean he watching just mentality seems different than every else's he he has a constant chip on his shoulder and he's incredibly intelligent and he has a a real like belief in self mhm he has a real belief in self yeah they is like unbreakable yeah it's unbreakable Yeah Yeah you mentioned you regret blowing up on those two coaches do you regret the little blowup you had with Doc I regret the tone but not anything you said no what I I mean the what I said is what I believe like I don't have there's not an agenda with that my job is to comment on the NBA and that's a that's one of the biggest stories in the entire NBA ecosystem this year I was just making a point it's like what had happened since he got the job even that morning I'm driving into work and there was something in there about him you know basically taking credit for the James Harden trade it was like I just was like H interesting and then they played the sound and I was like hm and then Shannon didn't say anything and Stephen A didn't say anything I was like I regret the tone you filled the void it's the tone seemed the tone seemed too personal and I regret that okay and there was no person and doc I assume would get it he was a commentator as well you got you have to have something to say yeah I've talked to him since okay it's all good how do you feel oh sorry well when do we see you coaching I know that we got to wrap this up but when do we see you coaching is that of any interest to you it is of Interest um like not putting any time frame on it but that is something that give the opportunity it will happen yeah the one thing I'll say like so when I retired it was very difficult um I think for any athlete you you can have a like secure sense of self and a secure ego and a secure identity it's inevitable that what you do becomes part of that identi and so letting go of that I'm not being hyperbolic here it is a death yeah it is a death it's very hard for me to let go of that and uh my my therapist that I talk to now like he was very helpful in get I knew I wanted to retire saying the words I'm retiring I'm done that was I couldn't do it on my own and so we talked about it it was very helpful session I was like okay I'm ready so I did it very next session he's like all right let's look forward what are the but by Looking forward we need to talk about what are the things you loved about playing that you hope to get in the next phase and it was competition performance anxiety and collaboration being on a team right fast forward a year and I realized there was a fourth piece that I loved and was particularly like fulfilling at the end of my career in in Philly in New Orleans and that's leadership and so when I think about coaching it's like filling all of those things and and so I I'm not it's like coaching to me is about timing yeah and it's about situation I love what I'm doing right now good I'm good it's going to be hard to pull you out of it yeah but the right opportunity maybe just I'm going down the rabbit hole right now in this thing so it's like I I I can't be pulled out right now yeah okay just tell me real quick why retirement was so tough and the immediate sensation after you announce it why it was so tough um because I I I've I I I just genuinely loved it it's like like did you stop my understanding is that you're still doing drills you're still working out you're still getting shots up no that's my my understanding is that you may or may not have a key to a gym out east and you get some shots up that I'm with my kids I'm with my kids that's my understanding is that you got guys rebounding for you out east and then you're getting shots I swear this is what I've heard no that's not true that's not true it's not true it's not true you're okay the most shots I've ever taken at one time in retirement was like three weeks ago over All-Star break I took my kids to Disney World for the first time and the the hotel had a like a really nice outdoor court and so that's all they wanted to do once we got back at like 12:30 1:00 they the rest of afternoon they would just play we're up in New York it's freezing it's nice out there so they're just like I want to be outside I want to play basketball so I'm great so the first day they were on one side of the court because they didn't want to do drills so I was just like I'm going to grab a ball and I started shooting and I probably took 50 shots I worked my way out to like the NBA line of the NBA line so just inside half court and was like but I was like shooting jumpers you know what I mean then I woke up the next day and I was like yeah yeah I'm so sore yeah yeah yeah yeah and I probably took 50 like 50 Shots by myself like that that was it wait sorry about you said you want to coach what player would you most like to coach in today's NBA wow great question wow I'm I'm I'm gonna actually I'm gonna you know what I'm gonna I'm going to go with an easy one for me yeah um and and this I hopefully this is non-controversial but you know he was my teammate and he's also one of the best players in the world and the coach in the NBA you need one of the best players in the world it's luuka I'm from Dallas that's why I was hoping to say Luka and you know you didn't actually really play for us but you know I didn't I didn't so I partial tear in my achilles what do you want me to saying we could have used you that's all so does it heal you just had it heal naturally no it's still there so basically I have something called Haggins in my right heel which is an overgrown heel bone so my heel bone looks like a golf ball who oh W and so just through wear and tear playing playing for so long the uh the bone started pressing into the the the Achilles insertion so when I went down to New Orleans that year it had been bothering me all fall they they did like full full tendon scans knees ankles all that stuff and the guy was like you have a partial tear in your Achilles oh and so I tried to rehab and I tried to play through it I did PRP in New York over All-Star break that's right before I got traded in Dallas which is why I didn't join the team for like a week because I was still rehabing here and the PRP didn't help and that was part of retirement too honestly they were like the surgery is not the same as a full Achilles repair but it is like four to 6 months they literally shave your heel bone down um and then my burst ofac has inflammation so they clean up the bursta sack and then repair the the shredded part of the Achilles but the Achilles part that's torn that's part of the Reas I don't play pick up though oh really I'm terrified to tear my ailles or my that's I to so you can't even play p with us oh I'm giving you buckets bro half court oneon-one no I'm not going to do this to you I I I've already taken out one guy's ankle you know I me every guy from duke with a busted foot you know comes across me and it's a bad news disrespect guys I I've other worked it in how did the Pod with LeBron come to fruition yeah and uh is it intimidating to sit across from one of the greats ever and talk the game or do you feel completely comfortable just great ever in anything yeah um it's not it's not intimidating um I've known Braun now like 25 24 25 years wow uh we met when we were like 15 or 16 at USA Basketball Camp um it's funny because I've like I've like never hung out with LeBron like he's not my boy Oh I thought you guys were friends and that's how the Pod no like we've always had like a mutual respect great interactions like it's not like I'm not going on vacation with his family I'm not like going to his house for dinner oh you don't have a DB with him like no like we just there's always been a mutual level of respect um as players I mean like and so we we saw each other uh in December uh with with you know the the folks on his side and just had a conversation and that kind of just got the ball rolling so he picked you or you picked him no there's there's there's no good answer to that really seems like there's a great answer okay so this thing comes together I the first episode we seen the first episode which is actually half of what has been filmed so there's another episode coming out the first episode do you know you have a hit like when 15 20 minutes into the conversation you're going oh this is the most fun and this is going to be crazy or okay immediately yeah immediately okay wow and by the way the second episode's like so we recorded the the plan is to sort of record two episodes at a time yeah the second part of the conversation was the part where like you're in the room and you're like floating yeah cuz it's so pure you know what I mean uh and it's funny Jason Gallagher who's our head of production and has been with us since day one on the old man of the three since we started this company he's listened to I don't even know now 220 episodes of the old man in the three plus all the we do for DraftKings um he's he's been in every conversation and he texts me afterwards and he's like dude he's like I was floating today that's the best we've ever recorded and I'm like far yeah I was like so by the time this is out episode 2 will most likely be out yeah it'll be out and you list them on all listening platforms but I would watch the Youtube video that's video I think is the most instructive I think you need to see the graphics to understand what you guys are talking about and I like how you're not watering it down yeah I love that like raise the level of intellect of the audience yeah is there anything that surprised you hanging with him like you guys hadn't hung out a ton before but now you guys are face to face talking about the game is there anything that surprised you about the way well I had the dinner December is there anything the way he dissects the game that surprised you no nothing surprised me I think what is interesting is you know we we typically have seen LeBron in a press conference right when he's talking and to get him in that setting it's just like he's he's awes like you he's awesome at it yeah he's awesome at it I think you're both excellent and and yeah it's you guys don't have to explain yourself when you talk to us about basketball you have to it's the same thing if we're going to talk ComEd to anybody like we have to kind of dumb down what we're saying you're talking to someone who knows exactly what you're talking about probably specific plays you can reference a play of his from some playoff game that you are watching and he knows the exact play there's way less fluff and it's really I I think you're going to see a lot more of this in not just basketball but all Avage changeing trajectory yeah by the way there's nothing there's nothing wrong with the sugar I want to be like I was talking about it earlier there's nothing wrong with the sugar there's nothing absolutely nothing wrong with that I'm not against the sugar I like sugar too I'm that's I'm on Twitter like yeah I like the sugar Sugar's fun sometimes but this is sugar for people who love basketball sometimes too much sugar becomes toxic right well said yeah what are we talking about now talking about sub commentators that are super ENT guys you're sports like I'm a sports an where you're just kind of watching and just saying things there's but there's again but that's awesome too like they're so fun like you look at a guy they're it's amazing I work with Stephen A he incred he's amazing and you want that I want that sometimes I just want to hear crazy hot takes they might be true they might might not be true who gives a I enjoy that as well but there is a time and place when you see people who are obsessed with a thing it doesn't have to be basketball it could be two nerds talking about robots but they're obsessed with the thing and they're just talking to each other about that thing and they don't care who's listening and that's what it feels like it doesn't feel like you guys care who's listening and because of that I want to listen yeah yeah yeah you know what I mean I don't know exactly what you're saying are you going to try to bait him into the goat talk about himself I am feel literally in the setup he's like we're not talking about who the greatest is think thing like you know there's there's a there's an element of what has become not only the take industry but the second take industry everybody's chasing no no no meaning like the reaction to the take oh it's all that's that's like and then there's the reaction to the reaction that's all YouTube is BEC I don't want this to be reactionary I certainly will react to what's happening on on the basketball court yeah but it's not your phone flash it will be reacted to yeah but you want to create the source The Source material is always better to create than reacting to the thing or reacting to the reaction just like basketball yeah like outside of my kids and my wife it's the thing I love the most like go watch go watch everybody go now watch guys JJ reck thank you myy

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