Jason Fox | WHOLE TRUTH

[Music] Jason Fox pleasure to have your whole truth podcasts I you are really quite a remarkable human being I've I obviously don't have to create that it may be a bit wait if you did oh yeah I'll tend to not disagree there's a few there's a few exes I disagree but there we go oh okay well you you have you have traveled through the realms of the human experience in a way that not many people I suppose we'll ever need to or or want to or you've done it actually for the sake of others so I mean I'm being very cryptic we're gonna get into more specific ideas for you but what you've done let you so you you've spent you you were in the S I need to get this right well how would you say it that SAS the army yeah I was in the military yes military but yeah I've joined the Marines 20 20 years yeah 20 years hmm yeah yeah please I mean yeah I grew up in a place called Lewin but she's got a wicked Apple it's made you think say no May it's the worst Airport I'm like you know what I they're gonna hate me for this I hate Luton Airport oh yeah I've never had a good experience and they've been refurbishing it constantly I know yeah and you're still queuing up and you got buy another ticket from the train station I made the bus yeah so anyway I grew up in Luton I didn't do well at school in fact that's a that's an understatement I did terribly at school yeah you know I sort of could see that I was getting into trouble I don't know how I know this tis a 16 year old was subconsciously on your needed to design so the military it wasn't just you know I was quite as an outdoorsy person there was a few other influences but join I decided to join the range I mean you join the army young yeah but would you say you were conscious of mental health like or how it would affect you and I wasn't and actually if I'm honest with you I was a massive non believer in in mental health in soldiers because I'd heard about it and I was like well I've been involved in an awful lot of stuff and I'm alright yeah and and and so as our eyes this is this sucker is it a gay is it gay jail free card so whether actually people who had heard about it yeah not not not firsthand right but heard about the aftermath of certain things going on and it's not that I did bunch it I was a bit like mm I'm not sure about this and then obviously fast forward a couple of years or so and I mean a [ __ ] huge slice of humble pie yeah because but it never it's not like I was jumping under tables it wasn't like the Hollywood sort of PTSD that you I just felt [ __ ] down I wasn't I wasn't enjoying my job and I was like oh and I was getting ready to go away again which is so it's literally off this was actually 20 years after you started the army was probably when you first realized that yeah probably yeah but in 18 19 years Wow but you spoken out about how the army has affected you yeah and you actually have have a charity called Rox yeah so we got an organization called rock to recovery that section it was basically me and a friend of mine who we co-founded it we still was still involved he's very much operational he's a guy called Jamie Sanderson he's a letch and we sort of both left the military for the same reason when to leave because we diagnose a PTSD m.p just do something like I hear about a lot mmm with us the army it's a weird brand so for those who don't know it that stands for post-traumatic stress disorder yeah can you can you just go it's like a brand but I thought as far as I'm concern in my opinion in two types you've got complex and you've got a single point single point is for instance if you were in a horrific car crash or something really you know you witnessed something that's not good yeah you obviously have a single point that's a triggering and obviously it affects you whereas complexed for me is anyone can suffer from it and it's an it's a natural reaction to life really but as an example I'm a soldier I spent years training to be a soldier waiting to do stuff that was pretty mental then when it happens you like you've condition yourself subconsciously your mind has been on well I'm getting ready to do something or be involved in something that is abnormal it happens and not really fazed by it but then over a period of time and with life experiences well you know getting married getting divorced having children kids are sick can't pay bills car crash okay it's not some people call that perpetual stress disorder yeah it's it's that's what I mean everyone's got a different way it's just that all it is is a normal reaction pressure but surely value along the way there would have been though also those simple what was the first type you could it just have that a single single yeah sure I mean man being it yeah you were you were out there you know there is it wasn't really it wasn't really the sort of me going on it never manifested its way itself in in like a Hollywood way but there wasn't ever one expert or one to you know there's one closer to the end of my career that of remember and when I when I left I went for a period of reflecting negatively you know ever people that are affected by what this what happened and did I make the right decisions all this sort of thing it was just it's basically dwelling on the past which is essentially met a man thing to do because you ain't changing it now that sounds really healthy because I do believe that to recount events in your life can be beneficial yeah because there is also it may be an ignorant to being like or nine of its ignorant sounds more insulting I mean avoidance and for good reason but there'll be some things in my life I don't think about yeah and I've actually ended up suppressing where as to let it I think is it yeah you're right like avoidance as opposed to acceptance yeah yeah and then you know accepting and using it is a you know you know you look at sports personalities whatever that keep the continually what they call fail but they're not really failing they're just finding out what they need to do to succeed yeah I mean how to pick themselves up I might be wrong here I'm picking up energy that you're almost a bit perturbed by the label of PTSD and I'm a little bit I am I don't you know there's there are people that need to have labels and sometimes you know and it for the right reasons but for me it was just it was just I went through a phase in my life where I probably looked back at things and in a negative way and I was probably I was like a cup of war it doesn't matter how big it was that been getting filled up to say that woman's dress and then it just overflowed I just needed a release needed some time out and needed it you know a break and and beat and also be guided in a way that I've learned myself how to manage it being honest to yourself I think that's like almost yeah is it is entirely about if you if if you're acting or feeling in a certain way you've got you got to sit down and look at yourself in the mirror in a in a deep way as much as that sounds like it's the Knaus if unless you want to thought fix it or get get around it or whatever is you need to do you have you got be like actually do you know what did I thought I've been honest with myself for a long time and I wasn't I was just pretending to be I was like yeah I've got game but a lot of something going on but you know and then in the end I was like hang on a minute will it manifest isn't it yeah yeah whether any particular was there any particular moment if I mean only if you want to share it where you were like all yeah I'd say I was sort of like I obviously knew that I had stuff going on and then I was like yeah yeah yeah getting to see people but I wasn't really being honest in this in with regard to how I was feeling on what it was it was going on I was being on I didn't know probably yeah and then I was felt like I was failing in a lot of stuff I'd lost my job that I loved relationship to gain down the pan so there's a lack of there's a lots of identity a loss of sense of belonging and then the house found myself stood on top of a cliff or thinking like okay well if I'm not doing well it's tough maybe my purpose I should whether that was me being serious about it I think it was whoever I was gonna do it or not it was something I needed to do to suddenly be like hang on a minute I find I found that like because of the nature of depression and anxiety and all of that yeah sometimes you can find yourself in that place a lot sometimes I found myself in that place and I had I almost put blinkers on I'd like I it was you apathy where it's like no one cares about me you know like nothing's going right not meant to be here did it yeah but actually if you know if I'd really like I said been honest with myself open unless people around me then I start to happen to believe that you are important to someone else is a really difficult thing but it's almost always true definitely yeah you know I feel like it every now and again I've been probably at it last week hmm and it's about me going right I'm feeling like this and there's knowledge in it you'll be not right there's a rip there's obviously a reason and then us and then I normally I'll just phone and oh good May and be like feeling fine for earlier pretty sure the moment I don't know why I've read this book would let him go by um this professor heard of it but he does this thing or maybe I'm assuming he does this thing but I'm sure he spoke about it and now I do it which is that whenever he feel nobody he just do this whenever he feels a bit down he will actively do the opposite to someone else so he'll be like he'll be like hit some up in here hey thinking great how are you he'll do that to someone else when he's feeling rubbish if someone's afield as though trauma actually isn't that subjective it in its truest sense as in some things will shock everyone to a degree but I worry that because of the nature of situations that men end up in there is like when I talk to a cop and I told some of my friends who have grown up in particularly violent estates yeah it almost feels as though you desensitize yourself to it yeah or you just it becomes a new normal yeah become really big cases is a coping mechanism for for humans so you'll see something and your are yeah and then you're like I need to get on with whatever it is I'm doing life I can't I can't respond to that you can't go into a flat spin about that because I've got to carry on doing other things yeah I say you can organize it you normalize it you normalize it normalize it it doesn't and sometimes it won't come back or at all but other times you you might be in a position where you like negatively responding to things because of what happened in the past now I know I can go into situations where I'm gonna be in seeing some horrific stuff or being in some quite hairy things and night last year shot of documentary and turned up to have seen there was a bloke chopped up into pieces and what and it yeah it was a case of you know I'd sort of prepared I think a lot of it was to do fortunately being in situations you know war situations West stuff's pretty horrific that I was able to be like right okay it's an acceptance of something might happen and then when it does happen you're taught alright with it and then it's about being it being an observer means there's not an awful lot you can do that sure you taught you spoken you've touched a little bit on relationships to talk to someone like yourself about concept like heartbreak right yeah I've experienced heartbreak on a super level I suppose I think the breakdown on my first marriages I was pretty devastated about that cut me up it probably no and I would suggest it was my fault you know that I was I was involved in the job type that pretty much sucks up you were in Collyer life and time and I actually you know we got married we had a kid my kid was not very well and I saw it selfish he is as a as an immigrant as something that was you know hindering my ability to continue in my career a little bit cuz I won't spend time take time off from work spend time with those people and I think you know I've dealt with it in a bad way but the thing that I did the thing about going away warfighting is yes people see it as this uber uber uber stressful situation that's horrific but it's it's it's a release it's a way of getting away from the the proper noise of proper life because it is so cut and dry out there it's yes it's stressful things going on but it's it's obvious what the score is you've got someone trying to kill you and vice versa alright and that's what we got worried about they're worried about bills it's like an escape and and then actually that you come back and you duck you can't differentiate between surfing's and you don't know how to act because you don't know whether you might cause an argument what if I say this what if I don't say that I've got bills to pay the car's broken down oh my god one that I only get out there because wow do you know I mean there's a couple of questions I always ask my podcast which are a little bit like hide well depend on how you want them we're gonna do this so straight up with your favorite corner back really that is depressing as officially the most depressing I think you think I just thought I would respond it's a slimming color if we're gonna get pedantic about your blacks technically shade it's actually the absence of light is it when I was at school is it color yeah okay black oh I get that so that is your color choice fair enough what's your favorite shape no means mat oh fascinated by them and I'm fascinated by their shapes that they create I'll just come back from South America pyramid I think would be the official mathematical term okay but I prefer more haphazard pyramid oh you want the ruggedness yeah I like the ruggedness yeah yes I like it I like it terrain yeah I like the way it's just when you look at a mountain and I know I'm going onto an object now in our shape but I suspect but it you can you look at them sometimes especially where I've just come back from there alive yeah they like bleed rocks and the energy there's energy coming from them okay I love that well be your best period yourself of mental well-being I'd say no yeah I think I think you know you could I could say when I was you know younger but that's I was probably a little naive to stuff I'm probably still naive to a lot of stuff but but now I'm you know I'm still learning about myself and I think I'm I've built up a management system in myself about coping with things and how to manage you know if you know if I wake up one morning on my my feeling down yeah yeah and so I'm not I don't get me wrong I'm not naive to the fact that you know things could come around and bite me in the ass but hopefully I'll you know but that but that's that's it though is is there is is to be feel as though you equipped for that the way I look at it is just it's just like it's just like strengthening your tool kit yeah exactly and and you also know you know you know I know I know how I might react to certain things and I know that I'm probably you know I'm I think I've got seasonal anxiety dismay it's nice yeah I've got that for me I see a spot Blues gone that ya know for real so yeah yeah may I'm totally with you an and I've had to succumb I've had to come recently to how much I've enjoyed routine and that's been a real pain for me because I've so I built up my defense to the world as being someone who can organize chaos like I love chaos and I'm like ugly city yeah is because you're like so used it's almost like you build a relationship with a state of anxiety so it's like I can I can do that and then recently I've got this dog would spike my love and I've had this newfound amazingness which is that if I feel stressed at night or even in the morning I go well I know that tomorrow morning I'm gonna get up and walk in spike and get him breakfast I'm reading my book and I'm back and then it could be whatever why it grounded me and I'm like and I've had to give it up no yeah yeah you know I think I was pretty much similar to my fat night my momma doe they not to give an out they did they split up after me and the brothers left I'm right it was there was no routine it was been mad what happy that that was a case cuz it you're more that wasn't yeah I wasn't governed by routine and I think sometimes if you're governed by routine and then that routine falls foul sometimes people you see people just get up right you're right of course you got to find a balance that's it that's that's the thing of it all and I so I'm trying to learn I've trying to go the other way yeah we've just done a gate called music for mental health are there any specific artists songs or albums that have meant something special to you've got you through a period of your life oh I've got like I probably I would suggest I've got the most diverse taste in music anyone in the whole world ever I reckon that's a big one that's a big one yeah but I can I've listened to sort of I think I attribute it a little bit to the military so I've been influenced by oldest older people in the military so I'll listen to a bit of rock but I'm a big big I'm like a huge house music fan really yeah yeah it'd be fun yeah that I sort of grew up in and when I was growing up in lute and I was you know there was it was a time of the raves and and all that sort of amazing yeah yes yeah usually easygoing I do like a lot of cheese just Kylie Minogue I like cheesy even the early stuff early stuff you know I don't know any other stuff I should be so lucky surely you do I should be sorry yeah yeah Wow yeah bit classical honesty what there's a very classical composer may I don't even know what they are no pieces of music and I'm at that's really good right back to I never knew bark bark but like bark ma I was a big fan of Rizzle Kicks yes may I use date so much so that my missus at the time bought me a t-shirt with I love rizzle kicks on my tree structure so people used to him maybe like I never I never saw that coming you're like this ex oh my god thank you listen the wrist it's bigger neck smoother to say yeah I've actually idea I have no idea but I think if you did want to listen to a song - maybe soothe yourself post-war I'm pretty sure mum was you the hub brilliant moves you got smoothness thank you sir I appreciate that I've actually means a lot um but was there ever a situation that now only bound by this memory of us of a specific zone was I could be so lucky echoing through your teenagers it didn't know do you know where that I'll tell you where that song echoes I'm not wrote a book in it but it's documented in there there was a moment and I'm saying the back of helicopter flying through the night on some going into some crazy night mission I've got my ipod in with my feel what iPod shuffle it's just on the [ __ ] lose yeah play lots of a listening to oh yeah they were good so yeah yeah good for doing training it's tinier but um I just taking it off and as I've taken off I've been listening to Kylie everybody knows I should be so lucky yet whilst you're and they're in the military as I'll take it off the sky erupted in their gunfire flying through this guy who's all in this green haze that you see in the night vision and I saw like an incredibly contrasting yeah I should be so lucky and I was about it wow yeah it was it was it I don't know why I memory but it was obviously because it was the last thing I listened to before I put it away but also in that in the area in on that on that playlist there would be NWA there would be Coldplay there'd be Slipknot it was it was pretty all over the place like Slipknot would be more fitting for a war scenario yeah probably a bit of the whatever it's weird that to think that some songs can be more fitting for war is there anything that you do to look after mental health right there is I have thought this thing enough get off that to say it to himself over and over over and over again for it to now sort becomes second nature don't worry about something that hasn't happened which is what I anxieties aha it doesn't quite make sense if you worry on that worry worry about saying that hasn't happened and then when it does up and it's too late to worry about it you got to deal with it and that's like twice in chaos me you'd like to deal with the chaos yeah but whilst you're in that state of not worrying about the future you know once something's happened it's happened it's all of the past you just got a doer your emotions is be more allow yourself to be more childlike and that doesn't mean forget diary dates and [ __ ] like that but it means as an example if if I wanted to walk out the door it would take me about three seconds to walk to dawn or forget it so I told her kid of 18 months old for me and walking out the door to take you about 45 minutes because it's so interested in this yeah yeah yeah that it does other things and it might fall over and hurt itself and cry but then in about 30 seconds it doesn't care what happened then it doesn't care what's gonna happen in the future because all it does is live in the hell go yeah yeah so it's not so much an actual thing it's more of mindset fingers that okay so if you had a whole hour which is another nothing to do with with I'm whole campaign as encourage people at least an hour a day to separate themselves I'd say from the on the testing conformity of our current life being phones social media work what would you do with the whole hour my whole hour yeah now I regularly tried to do this and I don't know whether this counts whether it's acceptable but I like to train but definitely but the train is probably that is my that is my that's my meditation it doesn't always work out that I don't check the phone because there might be some things going on that I need to check it for which is just being a grown up but which is annoying but normally they train for I try to get good aren't often and then I make and make a point of getting out and about into the country and just you know countryside yeah nature yeah I love to say don't get me wrong I'll never lie with no no isn't a nature is essential yeah seriously it's something to be said for mountains sit no seriously in fact rock to recovery talks - really mountains music and and water there we've been great in the last one was another ailment I know yeah if you think is another it's another word for water that is the better than him nice thank you don't like that word though love it I love it moist I love ya music mountains and moist moist one said to me the other day about you need to keep your shed in order nothing well we literally did you have a show no no no no I mean it would need keeping in order for do that definitely so but I think it was sleep made sleep is a big one like there's a scale it was cool but there's a scale that measures depression like that level of depression and antidepressants can improve the scale and weather way by 1.5 or something but sleeps on like eight and so I'm obviously not I don't know that to find out details but what he's saying is something along the lines of sleep is seven times more effective I'd say six a more effective I think that in this current world we live in we underestimate how much of a mental impact technology has been a massive what I find is when I don't have my phone on me sometimes I go grab my phone right and I'll just have my less stressful and I haven't I have a book and I'll be times I'm sitting down in a cafe I'm reading this book whatever and I'm just thinking like this is almost the truest form of peace like because I don't even have the option of carrying a box new yeah this is it that is an option okay and you looking at in there's loads of [ __ ] to care about I would like to think of a caring person but we do kind of have way too much access to like continuous trauma yeah and continuous fun like I feel it might not work if I look at my phone maybe I'll get a text or email validation yeah yeah all right listen Jason absolute pleasure mate wonderful then come in mate no think you've been part of whole tree podcast and there's a big thing back though I mean there's two different exit Jason thank you very much for Hodge a public appreciates it your honesty openness is important to us peace peace out thank you [Music]

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Length: 25min 20sec (1520 seconds)

Published: Thu Jan 03 2019