J Edgar Hoover, Chelsea Manning, PC Colleges | Overtime with Bill Maher (HBO)

okay here we Beck are we back are well one of you let her every lie it's a selfie on the speaking for Yoda yeah Tim Gunn what was it like for your father working with J Edgar Hoover in the FBI yes I read that in your book your father worked in the FBI and you have some interesting stories about there for 26 years he was he was an agent but he was primarily Hoover's ghostwriter he wrote his books and his speech of agent provocateur yes right but have you heard my yes racy store oh I'd like to to tell it to everyone well just briefly on my sister and I were big I Love Lucy fans and we would visit dad at his office once a year and take the FBI tour was a big Washington thing and one day we were there and dad said would you like to meet Vivian Vance F Wayne F emerge who wouldn't want to meet Vivian Vance Ethel Mertz so we went into Hoover's office and met her and she was gracious and wonderful and many years later and my father was gone a lot came out about Hoover cross-dressing a lot um and it was all very interesting my mother didn't believe any of it and said rightfully so this would have killed your father I probably would have but when it came out I said to my sister don't you think it's a little strange that mr. Hoover wasn't in the office with Vivian Vance I mean put a fright wig on them but but of all the people if you weren't cross-dressing why would you dress as vivian Venge wouldn't you want to do it somebody more glamorous 22 I mean remover looked a bit like an English Bulldog so sorry apologies the Vivian bands right but what's interesting is Simon & Schuster's legal team investigated everything in this book and they looked into this and they talked to bid the advances to biographers who had never heard or knew about a visit to the FBI then they checked the visitor logs no Vivian Vance did your father know this or you know Fred I'll never know I'll never know but you have theories that maybe your father was I think my father was such a homophobe I'm confident he was a closet case and I think that may have been true of all the up of the upper echelon of the bureau is a very interesting collection of men michelle has gone so well up Bret Stevens what do you think of Harvard's decision to hire Chelsea Manning as a visiting fellow and then they would throw up the artwork through the offer today hmm yeah that's a loaded question visiting hello what well yeah it was advisor up to talk yeah yeah the boys are off to give it oh just to give my speech yeah I don't think the invitation should have been issued but once it was issued it certainly shouldn't have been rescinded I think that is you think Chelsea Manning's a traitor well I think Bradley Manning put a lot of human beings in danger by what he did by his disclosures I don't even think that's debatable but Bradley Chelsea Manning spent seven years in prison his sentence was commuted by the President of the United States he's free she's free and she should be able to live her life and if Harvard wants to invite her and hear from her just not today should hear I mean I think the whole business of dis invitation is a sickness in this country I agree hearing people is a precondition afford for being able to disagree with it and also that everybody has to be fired the second you don't like one thing they said right they certainly go after me with this it happened to you when you went to the New York Times this this the the White House is asking for this ESPN reporter to be fired there's no other problems in the country right you know or the world the world is a placid Eden so he can concentrate on this I know but it's not just him I mean everybody seems to go immediately to you have to disappear altogether if I don't like one thing you said ever as opposed to what we used to do which is just oh I didn't like that what's on the other channel I had some experience of people wanting me to disappear forever and you won all right friend so far knock on wood okay besides New York are there any American cities you'd describe as great Chicago yeah it looks good I mean Chicago is the only other American see that feels really like a city to me you know I mean there are you know San Francisco it's adorable little town la is very spread out have you know any feeling of density but Chicago really feels like a city I like Chicago you're not really saying that LA is lacking in intellectualism is it because that that is such a know I was saying it's never densely populated it's spreading that's what we like about it that's what I like exactly but it doesn't feel like a city it's not urban because it's not but it's not dense enough right for it to be it's just not normal to live in a building you know I don't care how nice your apartment is I always known this somebody on the other side of that wall and they're farting and cooking and it's just wrong I'd rather live in the shittiest little single dwelling house than live in a building but in houses outside ex murderers and no doorman Sal what is the antidote to political correctness on college campuses axe murderers yeah the antidote is to ignore it and to get and to speak severely to people who want to propagate right you know and I mean I have to say in my experience of the American Academy which is now getting on for 20 years I have never had a student say to me that he wanted a trigger warning or a she wanted a safe space or you know I've never had it I hear that it happens around the country right I have no personal experience of it so I don't know how much of this there is but you know what's missing I think is leadership I think too much of too many campus administrators are basically cowed yes by small minorities of totalitarian minded students we just don't want to hear anything except what they're disposed to agree with right and the job of grown-ups is to behave like grown-ups and say know intellectually a college is not a safe space yeah intellectually a college is it going to be place where your ideas are harmed and perhaps even destroyed and that's as it should be [Applause] [Music] the college should be a safe space for thought yes right not not a safe space from Fort right and if you go to college and you never hear anything you haven't thought before or then you know you may as well have stayed home right and people who think that they should never hear things they've that would upset them should go somewhere else and leave that space available to somebody who can benefit from what is called education part of my responsibility to be to provoke inshallah absolutely that's what a teacher does okay does the backlash against Hillary's book have anything to do with sexist attitudes about women expressing anger express is she expressing anger a lot of men telling her to shut up you know or men explaining what she did wrong in the first six months men were cause I think here's what Hillary Clinton did wrong right you know and it just enraged me because Donald Trump didn't win because he did something right he won because he did something wrong yes I didn't know there was a big back that clash against rebuff by every politician winner or loser writes a damn book right exactly a six million dollars of the book sell for copies yeah publishers think this is worth it right you know I mean I want to know how that happens I'd like to be paid six million dollars for books that sell for copiers alright but I said it last week I'll say it again I think future historians will be just so puzzled why so many people in America found Hillary Clinton to be this polarizing I mean I could see why you wouldn't vote for her you wouldn't vote for unless it's a Donald Trump right you mean you write the situation you wouldn't have you know McCain or Mitt Romney I mean there's nobody else in the Republican Party practically you could probably think no on the contrary oh really I could never voted for a guy like Mike Pence really yeah you going through Hillary over Mike Pence yeah probably you are my hero but the problem with the difference between Trump and Pence is that Trump is an authentic fraud right and Pence's in a sense exactly the opposite he's a fraudulent authentic you don't you know and when Pence sort of attests to Donald's goodness as a man and you know he doesn't believe a word but he's saying this with this kind of pious oleaginous fake sincerity right it's terrible because you know he knew with Trump you never know that he knows that he's lying but he's right because there's always the interface of the the manic personality disorders but Pence is a man in his right mind yes and that's why he's horrible is that I've seen Mike Pence before you're right he's a typical arch conservative Christian hypocrite and we've seen them before and to use your phrase it's a survivable event I could do - but you asked me whether I would vote for him yes whether he's a survival no I'm very surprised to hear you say that is there anybody else you think I'm on the right who you would prefer Hillary Clinton to ben Carson Mike Huckabee Mike Huckabee Wow I don't like this hyper pious 'no sin Republican politics I mean the Republican Party in a dream world the Republican Party would stand for aspiration opportunity and inclusion Democrats that's know that's what it should be especially on the aspiration front it is a right to rise party now we can have an argument right perfectly sensible whether there are solutions are right but it's aspirational it means going from lower middle class to upper class from Joni Ernst to Senator someone else's Christian piety done my Jewish throat is not kosher well it's not going to happen tonight [Applause]

Channel: Real Time with Bill Maher

Views: 1,554,371

Keywords: Bret Stephens, The New York Times, MSNBC, Tim Gunn, Lifetime, Project Runway, Fran Lebowitz, Vanity Fair, Salman Rushdie, The Golden House

Id: SJW2YVArI9M

Length: 11min 22sec (682 seconds)

Published: Fri Sep 15 2017

Reddit Comments

[u/curiouser_cursor]

I generally disagree with Bret Stephens hard, but I think he was funny and made some good points here: DJT an “authentic fraud”; Pence a “fraudulent authentic.” I miss Overtime.

[u/VanderBones]

It’s amazing how the country, and “liberalism” feels so different nowadays. This is the type of liberal discussions I want to have again.

[u/Dietzgen17]

I enjoyed watching this again. Thanks.

[u/KingKontinuum]

I think think people are “up in arms” particularly because of what Salman Rushdie correctly points out and then his point is immediately ignored by Bret Stephens.

[u/against_hate_warrior]

Why no overtime these days?

[u/mattibbals]

Chelsea could be a guest now.

[u/hankjmoody]

Stumbled on this Overtime segment tonight while watching old Overtime clips. Thought it was interesting given how many folks are up in arms about Maher's 'cancel culture' shtick lately, and how Fran was on this past week. Even Bret Stephens had a rather poignant take on it.

Also, the Hoover anecdote is fucking hilarious. Love it.