Is #ComicsGate Wrong? - Countering Counter Arguments

and so daredevil ends with his father's murderers defeated at Matt Murdock finally at peace and we in spider-man's first adventure with some of the most iconic words in Marvel history that with great power there must also come great responsibility were you successful yes however however I confirmed that battling Murdock and Benjamin Parker were once members of the Secret Avengers I supplied the fixer with a professional assassin to take out Murdock then I cut a deal with a low-rent thug to take out Benjamin Parker that the authorities think it was just a common break-in performed by a common criminal but we neglected the heroic potential at Murdock's son and Benjamin's nephew I think your employer would have seen that coming what with his supposed am nipa Tain's will be a problem will your employer keep his side of the bargain always does then of course not there are no happy endings not here and not now this tale is all sorrows and woes Wow what a twist who is this new villain hiding in the shadows will daredevil and spider-man find out who's behind their loved ones deaths all along find out next time true believers in the next chapter of a thrilling ongoing story made exclusively for trade paperbacks excelsior you [Music] you over the course of exploring the question is kama skate wrong I've selected to compare new comics made for in Marvel's diversity line with comics made during a time when Marvel was still establishing itself since one of kamma skates claims is that comics of the past were better examples of what comics should be compared to how they're written when dictated according to the vicious fickle whims of political correctness compare the origins of characters who would eventually become Marvel's most iconic heroes to characters whom we were told were supposed to be the most important heroes of the current generation however some have argued that these comparisons were unfair because writing styles have changed over the decades that comics penned in the era of Stan Lee were made for plot packed single issue stories while modern comics are geared toward a cinematic style storylines and characters are allowed more time to develop over an ongoing narrative in other words each issue is treated as a smaller part of an overarching story but the thing is I'm not really sure why that makes a difference previously I've covered the first issues of Kamala Khan aka Miss Marvel and really Williams aka ironheart the brunt of my critiques focused on their wasted first pages and lack of substantial plot within their introductory issues miss Marvel promises us a superhero story but Kamala Khan doesn't get her powers into the very end and even worse doesn't show us a single heroic trait not a single reason where the audience is meant to like her over anyone else and it isn't even Kamala's fault because there's no story no villain and no crime not even a cat stuck in a tree Kamala is never given the opportunity within the first issue to show us her heroic potential Revere Williams shares similar problems to miss Marlowe while Kamala Khan spends her first page telling us she's Muslim Ruby's first page is spent telling us she's a bored super genius and while RiRi story certainly hits much closer to a superhero tail than Kamala Khan's did it too lacked a cohesive plot it was more of a grab bag of events with no real connection to one another we just jump from one point to the next until the first issue just kind of ends but the argument is that this is all fine that again these comics are constructed as little pieces to a bigger story so then it might be deemed acceptable for story light first issues too act as elongated introductions that spend its entire run kicking off that bigger story but I would argue that this is nothing but an excuse for lazy writing written by spoiled writers coasting on undeserved entitlement and unfortunately it's a sense of entitlement that we the consumers have helped cultivate we have become less accustomed to the solid self contained experience of cinema and have not become more accustomed to serialization Bret Easton Ellis mentioned this in his June 12th episode of his podcast back in 2017 to quote television is now the movies and movies are increasingly like television serialize formats of the Marvel and Star Wars movies it's no secret that our media these days has adopted the habits of the Netflix watcher serialization has become the new gold standard a multitude of shows made in bulk and ready to be binge watched and it seems convenient no need to wait a whole week to find out what happens next you just hit play and boot up the next episode and it's this exact convenience that has allowed Ryder entitlement to flourish if this touches on this strange phenomenon when he drew on his own experiences with binge watching I don't know how it happened the show wasn't that great but it was a machine designed to entrap you and it was almost unpleasantly gripping it was an addiction we failed to take showers we failed to get out of bed we failed to answer emails or texts or the phone we failed to get to the market one of us distractingly ordered takeout we ate that takeout in bed disgusting it's this modern binge culture and this average consumers seemingly endless dedication to each piece of media is likely the cause for this inflated sense of entitlement for diversity Marvel these modern marvel writers feel entitled to your time they've become so spoiled and lazy that they seem to believe that they can sell you a whole superhero story in bite-sized pieces and simply decide to start the plot on bite 2 or 3 like chomping into a taco with so few ingredients that your first bite is nothing but bread and it's expected almost demanded that you'll still be there despite nothing happening because these issues are made for novelization just like most things in our modern media they're meant to be binge which apparently means empty directionless first issues are acceptable because the good stuff will happen later but here's the ugly truth as a writer to quote Frank Underwood from house of cards you are entitled to nothing you are entitled to nothing what the writers of modern marvels seem to have forgotten or never learned is the method behind the madness if you recall the earlier quote from Bret Easton Ellis he referred to the show he watched as a machine designed to entrap you Ellis felt the show he'd become addicted to was fairly mediocre yet couldn't help but watch anyway that's likely why he described the experience as unpleasantly gripping he was stuck watching something he didn't really like why because as Ellis goes on to describe these shows are constantly throwing twists mysteries and revelations at the audience with enough regularity that they remain hopelessly interested for one minute to the next and that's exactly where Marvel's diversity line falters even media made to be consumed in one long marathon strives to keep you interested from episode one even these soulless machines know the importance of a first issue because unlike diversity marble they know that they are entitled to nothing they're fully aware that they must earn every minute of the audience's attention simply put it doesn't matter if the good stuff starts on issue three or four if you don't somehow earn my attention by the end of page one of issue one I'm not turning to page two let alone issue two as Ellis experiences help point out if diversity Marvel insists on publishing mediocre works written by mediocre writers they could at least be intriguing and that has been a driving point of my past critiques that every issue should be somewhat interesting from page one because they aren't interesting miss Marvel's first issue gave us Kamala Khan who succeeded in giving us someone believable but failed to give us someone noble iron Hart's first issue gave us riri Williams who sort of succeeded at being a minority but well as certainly gave his pieces to a character-driven tale they failed to give us any kind of drive at all and neither gave us a story but that doesn't mean I'm not going to explore the argument the easy way out is for cowards after all so does the comic exist that a has an overarching story B has each issue tell a smaller piece of that larger story C still has an effective first page ND still has a meaning first issue that gives us the information we need introduces the character for new readers and jump-starts the plot while remaining interesting it has been suggested that a comic from the 90s or early 2000s would be a fair comparison after all that's the era where the 1998 plate will be helped bring comic book movies to the mainstream so it made sense that the structure of at least some comics would change to suit the cinema going audience and is that structure that Kamala Khan's Miss Marvel Andrea Williams is ironheart adopted so what better example of a cinema style comic could there be then one that has been made into a movie welcome back Frank was a graphic novel written by our Lord and Savior Garth Ennis and was published as a graphic novel back in 2000 its story also created the frame for the 2004 Punisher movie starring Thomas Jane the one true Punisher if you recall Kamala Khan's first page introduced us to the main character her best friends and Kamala's religion which is Islam by the way and the main topic is food and how being Muslim conflicts with Kamala's desire to eat it and unless the plot was going to revolve around miss Marvel fighting the pillsbury pork boy this doesn't really work for his superhero story Ruby's first page to spent its valuable time telling us she's a bored super genius again not even the sliced hint of a story or plot now let's take a look at welcome back Frank Garth Ennis his writing tends to be blunt yet effective he's kind of a specialty writer he could miss the mark when writing outside his element but when he's in his zone and his easily proves that he is a master of his craft fortunately the Punisher falls squarely in his zone of expertise the first page of welcome back Frank consists of one picture Frank castles standing in a room of dead bodies with his Izzy under some gangsters chin and castle telling him to get a haircut the first page has few words but the visuals hit us with a lot of essential information at once even with two men in the room it's easy to see which one is the major character the room is full of money in bags of stuff we can only guess our drugs while the possibilities are extensive the reader can likely guess that the big guy wearing the skull is a vigilante killer who attacked a bunch of gangsters in possession of drugs and money the page also jump-starts to plot in two different ways one we get immediately ie the audience can tell that this story will probably involve a vigilante waging a violent war against some criminal organization the second comes a few pages later which I'll get into in a bit finally the punisher telling the gangster he's pointing a gun at to get a haircut amidst a room full of corpses he just got finished making sets a tone of the work perfectly gritty violence mixed with a touch of dark comedy both of which are consistent throughout the story in summary Ennis's first page introduces the Punisher for both new and old readers immediately sets up the plot sets the tone and gives us a mystery as to what the Punisher was doing there what's going to happen next in other words giving us an incentive to keep reading blunt yet effective now let's look at the first chapters as a whole Kamala Khan spent her first issue sticking out of the house and going to a party only to be made fun of her running off and winding up with superpowers it feels disjointed as if the writers dog had torn up the last few pages of one script so she had to replace them with pieces of another Ruby's first issue showed us that she was born a supergenius child who grew up into a super genius teen who then watched her stepfather and best friend die fights a super villain and ends up working for Tony Stark an impressive series of events that have no connection to one another like the writer was just checking off boxes and found out he'd finished the story and only had half a comic so he threw in a super villain to pad things out Ennis starts his story from page one and it only ramps up from there turns out the scene from the first page had been The Punisher interrupting a drug by criminals selling narcotics to other criminals The Punisher rushed in killed everyone and set the building on fire and the reason Frank Castle hit that place in particular was to kill one Eddy Nucci who'd been one of the major players at the buy Eddie's death led to his brother Bobby new Jie bribing his way into a mortuary to see Eddy's remains the Punisher storms at an end is poppy Nucci since Bobby was at the mortuary visiting his dead brother that meant he wouldn't be missed for quite some time that leaves the last and most connected brother Carlo Nucci wide open castle captures Carlo ties him up and throws him off a skyscraper as Carlo falls Castle gives us one of his famous grim monologues and the reader gets a sense of his motivations when he says so they brought me up from heaven to see what had to be missing a white a son a daughter all finally at peace I hadn't seen him since they bled out my arms then I was cast down back to a world of killers rapists psychos perverts a brand new evil every minute spewed out as fair as men can think them up a world were pitching a criminal dwarf off a skyscraper to tell his fellow scum you're back as a sane and rational act and again Ennis's uses his blunt effective writing to end the comic by showing Frank staring out into the city with castles inner monologue saying welcome back Frank says New York City hinting to the audience that this isn't over all this carnage and brutality we witnessed up until this point was only the beginning just a prologue to everything that will happen next to summarize the punisher massacres a drug by which leads to Eddie new cheese death which leads to Bobby Nucci isolating himself which leads to Bobby new cheese death which isolates Carlo Nucci the most powerful brother which leads to Carlo being flung off a skyscraper which sparks the war between the Punisher and the Nucci crime family which leads to the events that follow the first page effectively incentivizes the reader to read and the last page effectively exciting the reader by declaring that murdering three major players of a powerful crime family was only step one there's a whole city of crime that needs tearing down and to those who may argue that an has had more room for his first chapter than Kamala Khan or RiRi Williams did miss Marvel used 20 pages for their first chapter RiRi Williams used 22 pages and Ennis's first chapter of welcome back Frank also used 22 pages so just like the writers did with Daredevils first issue and just like they did with spider-man's first issue and has made his first chapter interesting from page 1 and kept the momentum going right to the end this shows one major defining difference between these works welcome back Frank utilized its space while Kamala Khan and Barry Williams wasted theirs whether an issue is a one-shot story or a single chapter in a larger adventure it doesn't make a difference and this is why I find asserting that the weak openings of Kamala Khan and Reba Williams are acceptable because they're only one single piece of a grander tale is nothing but an excuse however some might argue that Kamala Khan's first issue does in fact give us a story just not one I was looking for and that might be true I even said in the original video that the first issue provides a decent set up for a teen drama but a sappy young adult teen drama isn't what the readers looking for when they're picking up a book called miss Marvel well just like in the first spider-man story the reader can accept teen drama in his superhero tale just like in spider-man the superhero elements should make up the core of the work miss Marvel was a teen drama with superhero elements reluctantly attached to the end spider-man was a superhero story that used teen drama to set the stage for a super-powered action but why is that important why can't we have Miss Marvel be a young adult teen drama with superhero elements sprinkled in because in this case the author would be breaking their promise to the reader when a creator is producing any kind of creative work that creator will make a number of promises to their targeted audience in the hopes of drawing attention to that work probably the most familiar of these promises is called a genre fantasy sci-fi thriller romeo adult superhero each of these labels are simple yet effective descriptions that a creator can use to draw in their audience creators may even design their entire project and possibly the careers around a genre and it's important to keep those promises or else the audience will lose faith in that creator and for good reason because the audience would have been cheated the creator lied just to get your money and attention for example let's say there's a new movie being advertised the new movie is called Trident the title might give you some hints as to what the movie might be about but it's still vague enough that it could be about anything is it a love triangle between three powerful politicians who are on the course of leading the world into an era of global peace but the rivalry could shatter that utopian future is it the story of a young space cadet who eventually becomes captain of the starship Trident and becomes humanity's best chance of fighting off an alien invasion being led by his father who had been exiled in disgrace for refusing to execute a helpless enemy is the legend of a hero who sets off on a journey to kill the god Poseidon in a roaring rampage of revenge is it a movie about breath freshening gum regardless of what it could be chances are some possibilities appeal to you more than others and if Trident promised to be a fantasy adventure one would likely be greatly disappointed if it turned out to be a story covering three princesses going tavern hopping and while some might find that scenario interesting the terms fantasy adventure implies promises of sword fights Dark Lord's valiant heroes world shattering magic and vicious dragons Conan climbing the Tower of the elephant or Bilbo Baggins helping steal back Lost dwarven gold from a dragon's hoard you know and it venture but you could easily make a young adult superhero story oh yes that's absolutely true so why can't it work for Kamala Khan this is the drawback of using established names to push your new characters the creators were so busy patting themselves on the back for cheating their diversity heroes to the forefront of popularity by asserting the legacies of iconic heroes that they had forgotten how I connect these heroes actually were just like genres have become one to two-word descriptors that promise certain things to a specific audience iconic superhero names have developed the same effect remember many of these are names that have been establishing themselves for decades they become genres in and of themselves when you hear Batman you immediately come up with a list of expectations a detective who uncovers and foils the plans of super villains Superman as superhero just like Batman but his name summons up different expectations a living God like man who personifies ideals of kindness selflessness and goodwill but both have established themselves as men whose adventures involved in thwarting evil schemes and then going toe-to-toe with the villains behind them and the same has been established for miss Marvel the original Miss Marvel number 1 was released back in 1977 there's been over four decades of history that has already been set behind the name is marvel and even from her earliest appearance she's been fighting villains alongside the likes of the thing Iron Man the defenders and spider-man all heroes whose core stories involve super heroics and fighting villains I mean the things catchphrases it's clobbering time a name like The Punisher who's been around since February of 1974 has become recognizable in the realm of American pop culture his symbol is worn by people who've never read one of his comics but they know who the Punisher is just like spider-man Captain America and Miss Marvel his name is iconic if one were to pick up a Punisher comic they would likely do so expecting to read a story about a person without superpowers hunting down deranged and sometimes super-powered villains even if the Punishers identity was to change that could aid in Punisher 2099 when a man named Jake gallows took up the mantle you'd still expect to see a guy wage a brutal war on crime at least to begin with if they really wanted to turn miss Marvel into a teen drama the they should have focused on Kamala Khan's superhero side in the first issue while only hinting at the teen drama elements and then fully introduced the teen drama elements in the second issue why because the name miss Marvel from Marvel Comics makes the same promises that names Punisher Captain America and spider-man do they say this story whatever else happens they'll be about his superhero fighting bad guys because these names have been making that same promise to over 40 years of readers and that's why Kamala Khan should have been a new hero with a new name she would have gotten a fresh start she could have told the young adult superhero story they clearly wanted to tell with little to no backlash because as a new hero Kamala Khan would have made promises she could easily keep how do I know because it's been done when Neil Gaiman created Sandman a name already in news bypassed heroes he was doing it under the DC label and to a lot of people DC meant superheroes even though Gaiman was creating a new character with very own legacy he knew the importance of keeping promises to quote Gaiman I don't think I'm very good at superhero stories but maybe if it just looks enough at the beginning like maybe it's sort of superhero a to fool the uninitiated then I can go on and I can do whatever I'm interested in and in case you didn't know Sandman did very well people showed up for the superheroes got some superhero things which doubled as an homage to the superhero Sandman but stayed for gaymans Sandman because by the end of the first issue Gaiman had already established the character's identity because the best and most iconic heroes each have a central ideal behind their stories whether it be Superman's goal of doing the right thing even when doing so is near impossible or Batman who proves someone with enough determination can win against impossible odds try to keep all this in mind as we move into what I found to be the most interesting argument I've come across when I cover dreary Williams I criticized her character because her ultimate motivation for being a superhero was boredom within her first issue there's no sign of any innate sense of justice snow driver do good she doesn't even seek revenge against the people or a criminal element that caused the deaths of her stepfather and best friend from what we do see the only reason she makes her own Ironman suit and decides to fight a villain is to stimulate her mind and it was my assertion that boredom isn't an appropriate motivating force for a superhero and as a response some people pointed me in the direction of Saitama hero for fun from [Music] one of the story elements in one punch man is saitama's desire for a thrilling fight because he's become so powerful that every fight more or less ends in a single punch and the phrase hero for fun seems to further hint that his main motivation is boredom however comparing revie's story with saitama's is a little unbalanced because while they both might be stories involving superheroes a better comparison for one punch man will be Alan Moore's Watchmen rebn Saitama stories make two very different promises to their audiences the story of riri Williams is set in the Marvel superhero universe using the Ironman name again she faces the same legacy problem as Kamala Khan did so the typical reader for this comic would expect a standard superhero story with standard superhero tropes super battles evil schemes and super criminals one punch man doesn't make that promise Watchmen was a subversion of the standard superhero tropes it took all the things audiences thought about superheroes at the time and explored what would happen if you flipped them on their heads all the shine and romance was removed and replaced with gritty reality why would someone put on a costume to fight crime what would be the political consequences of having a god-like being enter the world stage and what if heroes weren't icons of truth and justice but people who just fought people we needed them to fight and what might happen if a hero was so overwhelmed by the horrors they witnessed that their mind snapped what if those Horrors involve fewer evil geniuses with giant robots and more real-world evil like child murderer one punch man promises the audience something similar superhero universes are filled with super powerful beings with some like Superman being criticized for being too powerful Saitama story takes the core Superman trope invincibility and takes it to the extreme and the story explores the effects on society and on the person in a world where someone with such power existed and that's the promise one punch man makes to its audience every battle Saitama gets involved in is less about the battles themselves and more about that ongoing exploration into the effects of his power and invincibility riri in Saitama are two different characters in two different stories promising two different things but that doesn't mean we can't take a look anyway especially because saitama's motivation isn't boredom at all and in fairness I'll only be using information we get from one punch man's first episode besides the show is well written and should therefore have everything I need to packed right into it when I first cover dreary I found that while she experienced the traumatic event of watching her best friend and stepfather get shot to death by a group of gangsters she gave us no hint that she was actually motivated by that event and the only stated motivation given to us within the comic was boredom in the first episode of one punch man we see Saitama battle a series of tough opponents which are highly destructive and seem unstoppable Saitama of course defeats each one with a single punch and he's clearly bothered because he's getting no joy from these fights so it seems he's doing all of this for the thrills that little fact combined with his stance that he's a hero for fun and the later statement as long as I get a kick out of it that's all I care about could easily lead to the conclusion that just like reread saitama's motivation is pure boredom but if you look closely the opening scene tells us a different story everything is right there in the statement hero for fun as I referred to earlier after defeating purple piccolo Saitama shows the audience his frustration over the ease of his fights he then later comments that when he's out fighting monsters his heart's never really in it fighting isn't really exciting to him that statement is almost directly followed by Saitama saying as long as I get a kick out of being a hero that's all I care about which seems odd if his motivation is pure boredom the episode had just finished showing us that fighting doesn't do anything for him RiRi immersed herself in perfecting her Iron Man suit to alleviate her boredom but unlike RiRi Saitama has no need to better himself or get stronger in fact he's so desperate to experience some level of excitement while fighting bad guys that he'd likely take a downgrade just to feel something but he still goes out to fight monsters anyway which means by saitama's own words he's still getting a kick out of being a hero and that means fighting isn't his main focus so what is the answer can be found in the one thing we get with Saitama but aren't given with RiRi before Saitama put on the cape he had an encounter with a crab monster when it was revealed that the monster was after a little boy sitamma hesitates at first but when the time came to make a decision chose to step in at this point in the story Saitama was powerless when he got hit it hurt he wasn't super strong or fast by all accounts he was relatively normal Saitama stepped up against the monster without knowing whether or not he could win the final outcome doesn't matter because that's what heroism is heroism is stepping up to danger for the sake of others it's one thing going into battle knowing you'll live it's another believing you will die but facing that danger anyway and that's what one punch man gives us that rebe Williams does not the most important element that separates the two characters Saitama shows us a heroic trait nobility and it's that nobility that serves as Saitama score motivation his initial hesitation shows us that he doesn't want to get involved with a monster it's understandable self-preservation but that hesitation also shows us that Saitama didn't know what kind of joy he would get from taking on the role of a hero playing the noble hero helping others defending those who can't defend themselves Saitama is a hero for fun a hero for fun he's a hero because he loves it he's a hero because he has the same motivation as Batman or Superman doing the right thing Ruby Williams gave us no hint of a heroic trait or any motivation at all other than her boredom why is this so definitively true because just like welcome back Frank use its first page to show us the Punishers goal of killing criminals like a Miss Marvel used its first page to tell us how Kamala Khan is a Muslim and how one punch man used its first scene to tell us that Saitama is a hero for fun RiRi Williams use her entire first page telling us that her every action is driven by boredom and need to challenge her super genius brain from the first page of a comic to the first scene of an episode first impressions are important and each work decided to use that first impression to tell their audiences what the author wanted to convey as the most central and important element and with RiRi Williams the author chose boredom and that choice remained logically consistent throughout her first issue writing is ultimately a two sided interaction between writers and their audience but in the era of binge consumption writers tend to be praised for mediocre work why because binge consumption has dulled the senses of the modern audience everything starts blurring together and we become used to tolerating a torrent of mediocrity for the sake of a few good episodes down the line and we forget the bad and remember the good and is the environment that not only has allowed Marvel riders to expect high praise for lazy subpar riding but has fostered an audience that believes this is all just fine that a shallow first issue which neglects its promises is acceptable because it's constructed for a trade paperback and to be binge read alongside the other pieces Marvel writers and writers like them have committed one of the oldest cardinal sins a writer could commit they forsook giving each chapter a sense of meaning and instead only felt the need to provide meaning to a select few hoping that a binge happy audience would obediently accept it without question that this habit of endless consumption developed in a time of content overload would automatically place readers in a vegetative receptive state mouths open eyes shut figuratively speaking eyes open mouth shut literally speaking in the words of Bret Easton Ellis are we drowning in content entertaining ourselves to death in fact Westworld and Jurassic Park are about this as is Infinite Jest where a destructive film called the entertainment lulls a viewer into watching content that is so mesmerizing a viewer can't stop watching until they die I feel that way sometimes when I binge watch a show the whole affair of modern Marvel seems to be a defiance of meaning word stories characters in both life and fiction these things are inherently meaningless just like our example movie Trident is meaningless to the viewer until you associated with a genre and even genres are meaningless until you learn that meaning and do you learn that fantasy means Knights and swords or that sci-fi means spaceships and ray guns and even then some genres will hold less meaning for some than others writers are entitled to nothing they should strive to earn their audience's attention not expect it but these Marvel writers have forgotten that or never learned so they forget the meaning behind names like Iron Man and Miss Marvel they forget the meaning behind the long history of the Marvel brand and the superhero genre they forget the meaning behind introductions in Chapter ones they fail to uphold the promises those terms make to the audience the same terms those same writers chose to use it would be pretty disappointing if someone promised you a birthday cake and gave you a box full of rotten fruit and then called you a whiny bigoted man baby for complaining characters by diversity Marvel might be meaningful to the author but they forget to introduce their superheroes with inspiring heroic traits they forget to make those characters meaningful to the audience Miss marbles Andrea Williams's first issues might have been important to the authors but those first stories fail to spark a plot and unlike Saitama and one punch man also failed to provide an opportunity for those heroes to display their virtues no rushing into danger despite knowing they might die no sacrificing things they want for the benefit of others no sacrifices at all in other words they forgot to make the story meaningful to the audience even corporate produced shows described by Ellis as machines designed to entrap you know that making their characters and stories meaningful to the audience is not only important but essential and that's why in a world filled with an audience prep to tolerate subpar writing comic book stores are rapidly closing down why so many mainstream comics continue to gather dust on shelves without some kind of purpose some kind of meaning that the audience can grasp that they can attach to the characters and story the work is meaningless so what's in a name only would you place inside it [Music]

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Keywords: comics, marvel comics, Stan Lee, Neil Gaiman, Sandman, Wesley Dodds, Sandman 1970, RiRi Williams, Ironheart, Iron Man, Tony Stark, Ms. Marvel, Kamala Khan, Garth Ennis, Bret Easton Ellis, Punisher, Welcome Back Frank, creative writing, trade paperback, Ma Gnucci, Gnucci Crime Family, Thomas Jane, One Punch Man, Saitama, Character motivation, DC Comics, Superman, Batman, #ComicsGate, Anti-Comicsgate, NPC Marvel, Alan Moore, Watchmen

Id: 9lKdtPym2fc

Length: 32min 39sec (1959 seconds)

Published: Wed Apr 24 2019

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You don't have to take it as far as rotten fruit. If someone promises u a Birthday cake and give u a delicious tart u might still be disappointed and at least ask about it. The response to that question is the telling thing. :) "Sorry. I ran out of ingredients and time. Hope u like the tart and I'll make a cake later. Okay?" versus "HOW DARE YOU! @&#^%*##!" lol