Impact the World: The Brothers Koren

[Music] welcome to impact the world the show for and about creatives change makers and entrepreneurs this is a conversation episode where a special guest shares with me what they are creating and the behind the scenes journey of their experience [Music] [Applause] [Music] hi welcome to this episode of impact the world where my guests are the brothers corrin isaac and torold corrin are two brothers from australia who had the most incredible ride through the traditional music industry before discovering that they themselves needed a deeper sense of connection and expression and they have spent many years now helping other people find that through both individual work and group work i think what's really beautiful about their work is not only do they come at their work with a great deal of knowledge and compassion and evident healing from their own lives but also to see two brothers and two men of such heart bringing their love their passion into the world was really really gratifying they also gift us with a song at the end of the conversation so stay tuned for the end because it's gorgeous and for those of you who enjoy this show and want to help support the show you can do that by subscribing at apple podcasts leaving us a rating or a review or you can subscribe on my youtube channel for the video versions of all the shows so that you don't miss any notifications that a new one is here but for now i hope you enjoy my conversation with the brothers coryn and as ever you can find links to all of their work in the show notes [Music] isaac and torel thank you so much for being with us this is going to be a great show and i love so many things that you guys stand for but um before we kick off i would love to just read something from your website which i think really encapsulates your current mission you say somewhere beyond the inhibitions do you remember how distinct valuable and powerful you are we have a secret to share with you the world has been missing your voice just as much as you have claiming your voice isn't a luxury it's a need so welcome to you and your voices to the show thank you lee it's our pleasure to be here thank you it sounded better when you read it than when you wrote it it always sounds better when someone else reads it that's the thing no it's it's it it's fantastic because you you you know i've worked as an intuitive and a teacher for a long time in the energy sphere and that truth is something that it can take so many of us years to uncover so i'm curious you're currently teaching this to people and bringing out programs and work that really help people get there clearly that has been a journey that you two have both embodied so maybe you could take us back in time as to your first your first forays into finding your own voices and what that journey has been like wow well yes we will and and we found music separately at first even though we were really close brothers uh you know i was the batter he was the bowler and cricket growing up in australia you'll you'll understand that um you know we always team up we always teamed up and had a lot of fun being partners in crime from an early age we actually went our separate ways for a moment when our parents divorced and both found music separately and it wasn't until our father got remarried that we we ended up at his wedding and two nights before we looked at each other and said what are you getting did you get him a wedding gift and isaac was like no i was like well yeah me neither what if we write a song for him and so we got together with a bottle of wine you know like 19 and 20. i can't remember how old we were and we we wrote this song for him and it was dead harmony kind of simon and garfunkelesque and uh we ended up doing it at the wedding and um we knew that there was something between us and even though we found music separately there was this meeting and it was as if when we joined in harmony well it was more we couldn't not do this and that really started our love of music and isaac has a great story about how he discovered i wasn't i wasn't going to sing in fact i was a what we call now an i can't singer which is i i lived with the belief that i couldn't sing and and i i didn't pay any attention to it i wasn't seeking out singing but uh just before this divorce that ended up being so powerful for both of us um happened i had this voice and it was in our first trip to america from australia and the voice simply said you will sing and it was a deep voice and it was smiling at me and i haven't had one that clear since um but i took no notice of it of course and six months later um at this party teenage party my best friend yaniv he had this long hair and was playing the blues guitar and i was listening into the music and i was really going in like it was a shamanic experience and he saw me having an experience and he looked up and he said sing for me zach he called me sing for me zach and so i just you know started wailing the blues like my voice happened and uh for the first time i heard it he heard it the whole party heard it they all crowded around us he said i didn't know you could sing and i said i can't sing i was still and i can't sing and he said no you know you you know i won't accept that you're going to play for my i think he swore at me he's like but no you're going to sing for my band and we have a gig in two and a half weeks and so there began a 20 over 20-year journey now had two bands um and then todd and i wrote this song for our dad and uh you know have have i went from and i can't sing it to i can't stop singing you know i'm an always singer yeah for me early on uh i found music when i was about 12 and it was just it was a voice came out of me you know that's an interesting part that everyone that's ever actually gifted themself the the worthiness to say i'm a singer which takes a certain amount of worth which is really our mission to help people revalue the fact that everyone is a singer that it's an identity that we've all been gifted by nature for me it was at a very young age after hearing the musical annie on tv like i think thousands of kids at the time and i heard this voice come out of me and i said oh that's interesting i can do that and it became something i cherished and most i think truly for me music became a safe space when um the trauma of our family divorcing uh it kind of our family crumbled around us and for me music became a solace and the way my hands touched an acoustic guitar and how i sung it was like this safe container for me to express how i felt or feel the unfeelable and so that's really what embarked me on my kind of my special relationship with singing as as as my medium and so that's really where we joined as teenagers in new york city we actually followed our beautiful wild mother across the sea she had this gut feeling to go to new york to move even without her kids hoping her kids would follow eventually we were all under the age of 18 when she did it and we met up in new york city and knew that we had to stay here and we had to just point ourselves naively and and triumphantly at this idea this uh american dream if you will uh of you know seeing if we could become the next biggest band in the world really i mean that was our hearts desire it was like how do we just sing out and roar out in harmony and bring people around us that was that was what we set our dreams upon and we ticked most of most of what our goals were um off and um [Music] and and had a wild ride uh 15 years we we played over a million people we earned a gold record we played with some incredible musicians that have taught us so much about how to show up in life we toured with pink to over 60 arenas and she is a radical expressionist you know and uh you know such a hard worker and and toured with coldplay and rod stewart and you know saw the saw this world firsthand and um got to realize that we were truly in love and curious with the everyday person that we got to meet in those rooms the people that just love music and we we got fascinated with why and how is it that music moves us so greatly and um on a whim after many years of touring and we had a young families we moved them out from new york city to to the west coast to to be around l.a and the songwriting scene and we quickly moved into rooms uh writing for some of the the biggest names in in hollywood but we personally found uh like that there wasn't enough contact there wasn't enough humanity in the process but we couldn't be as creative as we wanted to be so kind of in a in a breakdown in a moment of feeling disconnected from you know what we're meant to be doing on the path that we're meant to be on we say well if it's not this songwriting for for these people right now in this way what is it and in that moment the songwriters journey kind of struck us and we downloaded it and got lost in this car and it was like a song it was like it was quite literally like a song and if you're a songwriter and any of us that you know we're all radical creatives even if we've forgotten it but when a song comes to you it's like it's coming through you know labor has begun and you either cut it off or you just let it let it come out and haunt you and you hold it until it's been into first draft and the songwriter's journey came to us like a song and within this hour we we he suddenly light bulbs went off what if we became someone's brothers and from inception with their permission what if we walked a series of stages where they got to know themselves and dive in to what makes them them what moves them and what if we combined all of our mentoring and all of our coaching we've been coaches and mentors for 20 plus years what if we combined it all together and almost gave it this wild dynamic uh roller coaster of a journey for them to truly dig in their depths and from that vantage point we co-create song or help them birth the songs that have been you know dying to come out of them that they may have not known how to mine for and from that point what if we then went into the studio so that's how the idea started and at first it was just for you know aspiring uh people in the entertainment world you know first-time artists and it really quickly within the first 10 journeys in fact justin michael williams was uh it was a dear friend of us now and an incredible leader he was our fourth ever songwriters journey and by about 10 in we looked at each other and said this is for voices from all walks of life this is for anyone that is ready to play daringly in the medium of voice and song as an opportunity to truly get to know themselves and form new relationships to their expression and creativity and and this is an opportunity for someone to reclaim their voice without destroying their life in the process and to go back to the beginning of this kind of crazy journey that we're on you know when our mother left australia on her own left her children her life behind sh that was a desperate act to reclaim her voice and so now you know we hold this space for that to happen with grace and ease in someone's life to be an expansive process rather than contract or destructive you know not that we're not grateful that she left australia and and he is where we are but we are now but to at the core behind you know our imperative you know our souls work here doing this and you know we didn't set out really to do this but back of what we're doing is a desire to to to give people an opportunity to reclaim their voice in a way that engages them as a playful um a playful being you know willing to what we call dare to suck to make a mess and to engage the creative process like nature intended it ain't that the truth and it's so interesting because i mean this you guys said so many things there but one thing that you said early on isaac is you talked about i was an i can't singer and i think that's true i think everybody has that in them uh unless singing was your your art your expression and what you were validated for from a young age which isn't most people's reality but everyone i've ever spoken to everyone will say i can't sing or i can't you know where did it come from for you was it just general cultural conditioning or did you have specific uh a specific piece of feedback that got lodged for you great question um it really was just a that wasn't the path laid out for me i was gonna do something safe that you know i guess followed our father's footsteps something something you know like a i was going to be a lawyer you know something where i could use my confidence but you know you know it's something that was uh practical uh some do the right thing kind of thing in australia that's looked looked upon well and i just didn't consider it but now we find that there's you've got your shower singers who love to sing but don't want to be seen doing it you've got your car singers who love to sing but don't want to be heard and you can see them okay but you know rocking out at the traffic light but totally more than that right and then you've got your um your wedding singers right so if if your best friend asks you to sing only if your best friend asks you to sing at their wedding you know yeah with you and you'll prepare for months right okay okay i have to do this and then you get up there nervous excited you sing you're like oh my god i love this and then you go back to not doing it till the next wedding that's the wedding singer to us there's also the karaoke singer yeah i was just gonna say that's the one where it's like people are mortified that they've signed up but then the minute they do the first song they don't want to get down slightly it's kind of like once the gates are opened exactly our natural desire to express and vocalize in that way can't be can't be littered so easily yeah and then like we've discussed there's the icon singer who until they have been given an invitation right and so much of our work is giving people voices from all walks of life it also all ages you know the opportunity to say well maybe you've lived under the monika i can't say but what occurs when you allow the expression that wants to bubble up out of you to cross your lips and support that very radical act like nature intended and what occurs when you when you do that so we really walk around giving people permission to to try that and to become curious as to the voice that comes out of them and not a voice that looks good or sounds good or reaches or attains a what the world has sort of created this very strange relationship with a goal setting approach to the human voice to truly bypass that narrative and come back to the experience of what it feels like and sounds like to be them and alive and fall in love with that and actually gather experiences and realize wait a minute you know the choir teacher was wrong about me or my dad my dad was accidentally inhibitive to me or my sister laughed at me when i tried to sing when i was 11 and i've been carrying around that inhibition and for no reason because there is a voice in me right and so that's really our goal is to help people those casting a shower singers karaoke singers wedding singers i can't singers and even though i can't stop singers go deeper and turn back inward to the experience that's awaiting them which is to there's never been a voice like you and when the part of you throws cliche on what i just said it's time to cliche the cliche because the truth is there is this moment here that you've been gifted this what we call the whole body instrument which is truly designed by nature for one time only this exact amalgamation of carbon and ancient stars to sound out like quite literally this body these chords the space this cartilage and bone as remarkable as an acoustic guitar or grand piano it is designed for now to sound out what it feels like to be you no one else will more remarkable you know this is god's instrument and you know we want to call bull on this the we we want to reframe something and it's sticks and stones may break my bones but names can really hurt us right so many so many little things like stop singing you're too loud yeah you know even just a sh like it's a bit flat the voice the voice is is our power center but it's also the most vulnerable center because in one word it can be shut down for 30 years and so we we call these the small voices which we'll go into in a sec but the one i just wanted to say and we'll bring it up again uh lee is you know from the club from colonial countries you know from england out um the you know oh don't you know you're too loud don't be too much which is a very a cultural um inhibitor as well sorry much inhibitions are given from the country you grew up in as well yeah or like you might have a sibling that's bigger than you the louder than you and so that's for them you're not that one like people aren't used to you making a noise or singing so i just don't do it and i think that's more where i was coming from of like yeah that's just not yeah i don't do that you know that's not for me but i didn't know what was there coming out and um you know i guess if i hadn't had the voice and i hadn't put two to two together and you know i may not have followed it as easily but i guess we're the ones now doing the invitation and the requesting because often it takes a good request it takes the energy of someone else saying hey i want to hear you will you make a sound will you sing for me you know and but putting people on the spot gives them an opportunity to take them give themselves that allow themselves you know it's um we're instruments that are not only making a sound but we're also receiving we're listening and we're breathing and we're taking in you know what's happening as well so when you're working with people there must be some kind of common uh objections that we have to allowing our voice out and i'm just curious because we've got you and you've studied this and seen this firsthand what are just a few of the most common objections that we have to really empowering or embodying our own voice fantastic questions i love how you call them objections because that's a beautiful way of saying it too uh so inbuilt into our biology we've discovered and this is over hundreds of songwriters journeys which are you know six six month experiences we do privately with people but thousands of voices we've got to invite to sing with us over the last six years and beyond what we've discovered is like five main inhibitive voices and we call them the small voices they are exactly as importantly objections and you know i object and what we've discovered is you know let's define small voice for a second small voices are born in the human experience in your lifetime you know in your mind and body they're born in the wake of traumatic moments even if there's tiny little traumas like you sound bad you or we don't sing in this family whatever it is that in the wake of those traumas small voices are born and a small voice is an automatic negative leaning thought feeling sensation or emotion that aims at doing one thing checking if what you're about to do to be all of yourself is dangerous safe perfect too much and it basically puts these inhibitive markers in our biology to say maybe don't be all of yourself maybe don't take the risk because it may have not worked last time and so so much of our work is helping people bring back under their wing their small voices that have been creating a dissonant choir in their life so what are these five top the top five small voices that seem to rear their their voices yeah um their squawky loud voices um your temper tantrums half the time but they come in just just when we're about to or just after you know as shame but like you know just before or just after um in generally in the beginning of the process uh the first one comes up and which is i'm not good enough so don't even try this is not for you is this is this good enough you know it could be a question or a statement um but it's the good enough it's the good enough thing you know uh so many people suffer from never really voicing themselves and this is not just singing this is voicing their ideas in the world this is daring to share that they don't go beyond the beginning because not even beginning because it might not be good enough it's a big one that haunts so much and it's based in comparison so you know we like to believe or we we like to show people that they are in fact incomparable that the comparison model is doesn't apply to their voice they can't be compared there there will never be anyone who sounds and hears like you do ever again another big small voice that comes up a lot lee is i'm unsafe and uh i can i can speak to i'm unsafe you know in my history in my life uh the i'm unsafe small voice almost took my life or i almost let it take my life um in my earlier life i almost lost my life to a very critical case of obsessive compulsive disorder which when you really you know unpack ocd it's it's a relationship with being unwilling to feel unsafe and to do whatever it takes to relieve or make absolute that you are safe and so it was a huge battle in my life and for the last decade i've been a behavioral coach on that subject of what it takes to bring that i'm unsafe voice under your wing and and dare to to try and do and put yourself out there regardless check out toronto's podcast on embracing crazy yeah i've just begun which is exciting beautiful very cool we'll put a link to that in the show notes thank you so the huge one that comes up for everyone right now 2021 it's not perfect um i'm not perfect it's not perfect um and what's so fascinating about this small voice that's not perfect is that if you looked at the evident you know if you looked at the evidence more people that suffer from this small voice in their life will accept an f over a c or a b that they would accept an effort yeah they'd rather incomplete than than walk through without a perfection stamp and you know there's something deep within us that longs for god for connection to spirit to source whatever you want to call it we long to feel a connection to perfection so there's nothing wrong with it it's human it almost shows that we have this evolutionary seed in us and and maybe one day we'll find that level of of brilliance and and excellence in our in our human race but for now we have to settle for good enough you know and and it's really hard because our whole world you know of applications and instagram and everything they we give we're given these tools to perfect ourselves in the music world we use um tuning technology to perfect our voice and we're all guilty of it right we're all guilty of it so and but but what happens when we don't do that we realize that the imperfections are the humanity are the beautiful you know relatable parts of things we long for them in each other we just long for perfection in ourselves right yeah but what we long for in each other is the imperfections the rawness right and the data is everywhere like everyone could go into their life as a performer or a creative and say when people really were struck by your art it was most likely when it was the most human and real and yet the perfectionist or the small voice is not perfect doesn't want to hear that but it's our big voice that knows that right um so to continue on another one is i'm not worthy we find this a lot a lot of people have a small voice that goes off that they're not worthy of the greatness that awaits them being them and maybe this comes from maybe maybe a past trauma they feel responsible for maybe a different time where they feel guilty uh and terrible or bad or some other reason that they might not feel worthy now but we really see that as a small voice because everyone is everyone is worthy everyone is worth now voicing yeah there's like we find in singing there's two kinds of egos there's the good view ego and the bad view ego like fats and so it takes a certain amount of good ego to get up and sing it's self love you know it's self itself kindness it's it's a courage and and often we're taught to not occupy that space it's bad to get up and take up space you know um and you know maybe someone has had you know someone in their life and their family who's uh i hate the word narcissistic because it's so negative but you know more self-oriented and more kind of very easily takes up space and doesn't know how not to you know often you'll find them around people that give up that space and don't don't know how to step two feet and occupy some their own space and and and and it's almost like they're not worthy of that space and and they're here to give space rather than to take space um so and then we've done i'm too much right no well we'll touch on too much officially because i this one's so big um i'm too much uh is a voice that we find uh come up a lot to it's it's one that a lot of americans don't necessarily recognize straight away because it's been promoted to all of us as americans to go well let you know there's no such thing second amendment like let's be big let's be bold let's be courageous let's be large let's be successful however we find there's a lot of oh i might be too much if i'm all of myself in australia it's obvious it's the tall poppy syndrome very similar to the uk very similar whenever i've worked in australia we've all laughed about that in workshops you know it's the same mind virus if we can call it that like it's the same program that runs in every institution in australia and it's found in the slogan get in line it's getting like but it's found in the aussie slogan don't think you're good mate yeah like quite literally in that statement is the is the bylaws of the contract you know the australian cultural contract often has been that is like you know be great but don't then think you're good so there's a lit there's a there's a space between excellent and then too much and so there's it can be a dimming down and so too much can show up culturally but for an american there's actually a lot of americans that feel i'm too much maybe they had a sister that they when they were themselves maybe they made their sister jealous or their brother jealous maybe they made their mother or father feel uneasy about how bold and beautiful and expressive they were maybe somewhere in their life they they made a determination i'm too much maybe they were told that and it was a trauma what we find with too much is it often birds the rebel too that a lot of people that are extremely loud are rebelling against that voice within them so it's a complex small voice but we find it show up time and time again so interesting you know i was it was 2010 or 2009 i'd been doing my work as a channeler and an intuitive for six years and i had had to uh work against and sometimes with my small voice a lot to kind of stand especially as a channeler because it you know it was just it was edgy especially back then more so so when i suddenly got music coming through me again because i wanted to be a singer-songwriter in the music industry it's kind of what i was doing in around 2000 um all of these songs started coming and now they had a different spirituality to them because of the journey i'd been on but when i got in the vocal booth to record the vocals for that album golden world all of my wounds as a singer that i was not expecting because i'd gone through this journey where i had you know luckily i guess been validated by other people as a speaker same voice different slant it was i was black and blue after like you know two years in this vocal booth trying to finish this album so all the trauma that was left uh as a singer and also that my composer was not happy with the singer he'd been given because my composer had written this great song that the singer couldn't quite manage or couldn't quite get to so i know first hand exactly what you're talking about and how those traumas stay in us but one of the things i always say to creatives especially if they're spiritually inclined is it is the best self-development journey and if you're not willing to heal if you're not willing to go through the you know some of the ups and downs and some of the emotions that will come through you as you birth something new into the world you will sit at home and feel miserable or resentful of other people because there's no way to get there without going through some healing that's kind of the point you know especially when you're putting work out there that holds that healing frequency for others you've got to be willing to put yourself in there too even though it's not always easy beautifully and to speak on healing in the small voices like what we we find that like um at the end of any journey the small voices aren't you know they don't go anywhere you can't heal them or take them away because there's nothing wrong um they're there almost as our helpers to to point us in the direction like it's almost like you know if we walk towards our fears by walking towards the small voices to walking towards the trauma to feel it all there's gold there for us by running away we just create resistance and tiredness and exhaustion and you know but by going towards them by embracing them by like todd said putting them under your wing like a screaming child you know by allowing them to be there and and doing it anyway being in life anyway you know we come to a wholeness that is the root of healing um and an allowance to be who we are you know mess warts and all you know and and if we can approach healing like that as like a integration of what's already there we are the ingredients for this to be whole and complete as it is in every moment so you know can you be in the studio in that vocal booth feeling all of the feeling the biology of fear dread repulsion oh god all the things judgment and then just take a deep breath with all that and then you know it's redemption singing it anyway right it's it's reclamation i've been there so many times yeah and you know that's this and and this goes for so i've been told wow you can sing you know you're special since i was 12 i'm 40 in may now this you missed month and i uh i still have all of those in fact i i'll reach and either feel not good enough or i'll reach and do something amazing and i might get a small voice that says well don't think you don't think you're too good who are you better than oh no now you're distracted from the song so the voices can move however they however they move they move and um just to join into what isaac's saying is that when we form a new relationship to those automatic voices and thoughts and feelings and sensations and emotions that we've run from or tried to fix when we form a relationship of being able to witness them being able to experience them for what they are as soon as we give that kind of space between us and the experience of them we we go from being them to having them and in that simple transmission between being and having something magnificent occurs that it's something that we have within our mind body and our biology we have a small voice going off we have an objection we have an inhibition so much of our dis-ease is because we have a relationship to try to get rid of those and we often fall into a trap where we feel like we need to fix ourselves before we can be our best selves and that's bull because we just need to bring them back under our wing and do the very things that that big voice or that part of us wants to truly do and risk the threats of those voices but also to befriend those voices at the very same time what happens when we do that after a period of time they may not go anywhere but they absolutely uh begin to dull and begin begin if we can accept them to have shorter duration of severity over a period of time i like the distinction have because what it the sets up this conversation of like i've got you so you're saying to that small voice i have you meaning i've got you yeah and that's what they want to hear like as if it were the parent and so what what it sets up is is that we are often a choir of small voices but we also have our big voice and so in any moment of action who's got the microphone and so we we're just inviting the big voice to take back lovingly the microphone from the choir of the small voices who often have the microphone meaning have control of our actions do we record that vocal or do we go home you know do we do we stay in our heads or do we go into our hearts you know and and that's the choice we're making and you can be in your heart and tremble with fear you know um and that's okay and sometimes that tremble is is what we love most about the voice without question and that's another hollywood myth that we've we've we've sold ourselves uh that fearless is a goal uh what about a loving relationship to the fear that we feel and what about a beautiful relationship to the feelings that were once unfeelable to be feelable again and what about just that new beautiful relationship where we can handle the full spectrum of the emotional wheel and allow our voices um to sound out with them even what kind of courage what kind of capacity would that be for someone and that is entirely possible for each of us it really is yeah for example like touring with pink we'd get it before we'd get on stage she had this amazing kind of see-through curtain and so you could stand on the big stage and kind of look out at the arena of 20 000 people and the smell of 20 000 people the popcorn the perfume the the kind of excitement of all these music fans and they're waiting for pink they're not they don't even know half of them didn't even know that we were about to play with the opening act but so all of my small voices the you know i can't sing which amounts to you know i'm not good enough to be here um you know that would come up and i i would you know as a ritual i would just imagine that all of the people were in my heart and so i was running out on stage coming home to them and i would run out there as if they were waiting for me because i was waiting for them and so you know just to kind of include you know the outcast coming home by including everyone inside you know my voice that that that moment was ours to share and i had to take the small voice underneath my wing and and others um and uh you know do it anyway maybe that's the greatest human secretly you know to do it anyway with your fears and voices under your wing i i think that's the secret to creativity you know what so many things you guys said but parenting ourselves is one of the things that i teach you know that we we don't reject our kids like if you have three kids and one of them is having a bad day or is moaning you don't go okay well bye you're out the house you know you you're like okay i have to and it's the same with all those voices inside us but i did um a training program called impact the world funnily enough a couple of years ago one of the first things i shared with um everyone who showed up who was there to bring their creative or their healing work to the world i shared the story of adele who uh adele the singer who is a global smash hit in the music industry and her record sales are unheard of for these days when most people are streaming she did one of the biggest tours in 2016 i think it was and i had a quote from her where she said i still keep thinking it's all a mistake and someone's going to send me back home and i just use it as an example of you can get all the validation and all the all the success in the world and you'll still be in relationship to that voice so you can be in relationship to that voice and stay at home and not do something or you can as you guys say really develop a new relationship with it because i'm the same you know i've been creating for a long time and still those voices can show up and usually if i'm doing something new they're bigger than they usually are but i have a i have a way of you know knowing how to navigate them and what they might need and yeah so every everything you say is is uh is beautiful that's fantastically yes indeed and adele what what a beautiful example of um a human being you know thrust upon her for for not just the reasons we know adele is uh has a goddess voice it's just incredible she's also incredibly human and then there's this other thing that we may never really know which is right time right place right amount that makes someone um go through that level of fame and success you know we love we love to believe we're in control that you know sometimes it's our actions of course or our inactions but the level that adele reached was you know it's almost like her own beatles and the irony is that she's used as a benchmark like i'm no adele exactly right and so that's the beautiful irony is that um you know in this comparative world you know people like adele um we use against ourselves and yet and yet and yet right there there she is not feeling good enough herself and so you know what a what a perfect what a perfect view of the human voice and how inhibition works that someone that um at the top could feel the very same thing that someone we might get to work with you know uh maybe you know a 64 year old singer yeah who felt like she couldn't sing and comes across our work and goes i know something in my expression would open but you know i just i'm not good enough has the exact same experience as adele is still having and on the other side you know in in to us um when when that person when that i can't singer goes through a journey of self-discovery to then experience herself authentically as a voice it's ju believe us it's just as beautiful as adele singing of course of course but but isn't it interesting how uh if you like the the zoom lens of fame and success has a certain programming in our mind oh they're on the cover of oak well you could put your sister on the cover of vogue with the same makeup team lighting and would we see it differently you know there is that kind of like you said it's a very very small percentage of people who have that level of fame and success for many of them it's not desirable for many of them it's not comfortable enjoyable what they really wanted so i think bringing back true expression to our lives whether it's what your grandmother is singing in the kitchen is the favorite song and voice you will remember all your life or whether it is a relationship with an artist that released a cd or i don't think the circumstances are as important as how we feel about our connection to that person or our connection to doing it ourselves yeah absolutely we believe that singing is our birthright and so and we believe that singing is here to to make us vital and to give us energy and to and to empower us and to connect us to what to who we are and so you know everyone even our father is he he has no pursuit musical he would say he's an icon singer but in truth he's an always singing he's always humming to himself and and that's part of his musicality that he keeps close to himself but you know he had no no experience in music other than he's always pretty much always singing humming a little tune to himself it's so interesting you say that this flashes on something for me this morning i was at home alone i love vinyl i love vinyl records so my current favorite album is ludovico i now the seven days walking day seven and uh he did all seven of these and i was sat there listening to it this morning on the record player by myself and i had this profound moment that this moment would not be the same if i was sharing it with someone else even my husband stephen who i listened to it with last night and that was lovely i was having this intimate moment with music and it was just quiet and the cat was there and i was really struck i was like wow this is this is a pure moment for me with with what he created and what's now moving through my body there is something so primal about our relationship with music and as you earlier said how we all hear is so different i've had that experience of playing a friend or someone i'm working with a song that i'm working on and i i can hear how they're hearing it and it's completely different every time there's the person who loves it and they cry and then there's the person who's like oh yeah that's nice and you're like okay i won't i won't play them anymore you know because it's not their thing but we're all so unique yes 100 yeah you're touching on what we call in our work musical cosmology uh that each of us are entirely unique in how we are hit by music and that we can study some of them this is what we get to do in our in our program the songwriters journey that you can deeply study someone and their musical constellation of the music that has struck them their whole life from when they're a child all the way through to where they are today and when you unpack someone being moved by music on a cellular level you it reveals the human it reveals the way we move we're moved the way we move and so music is just such an incredible medium to see someone we've been we've had the opportunity and the pleasure honor of writing songs now with groups of people on zooms and um it's remarkable how musical people are and how there's a song in everyone waiting to come out and we're actually about to about to launch our first shift network course on uncovering your soul song or title still um to be confirmed but uncovering your soul song on the shift network and and we're going to be writing song with people in a process that's um really kind of uh in their own cocoon through through a you know held sacred space um and it's over the game it's on may 19th right begins on may 19th so we will release this episode a little ahead of that so that people have the opportunity to check it out we'll put the link in the show notes and everything so thank you lee and uh you know this is the first ever of its kind for us you know we've when it comes to leading people into their own creative process uh with us as their brothers to do so uh we've always done that over multiple months privately or in small groups in the songwriters journey this will be our first time ever um with a crew of people heading out to to uncover that song that's that that's just ready to be uh revealed um in a in a course setting i wonder what small voices are going to come up for us doing something new yeah well thank you for saying that because that was where i wanted to go next so we've talked a lot about music we've talked a lot about singing but because you guys are holding space for the big voice in the world for so many people i'm really curious because i know how this works you know if i hold a course with a certain title i pay attention to how that title is theming into my life or sometimes it's something i've done for many years maybe but i'm curious like what has been what have you noticed or what has surprised you about the personal effect for each of you because you are holding space in this for your work like even when you go about your life with people who don't know what you do have you noticed the the kind of um yeah capitalistic effect you probably have usually whatever course anyone is offering is usually the course they need the most so to be full disclosure but um and to be fully honest you know um it we did turn around uh after a few years of holding space for others and and say well you know we we actually have to take care of our own voices together and individually and um you know life happened to us uh you know pretty bumped into us pretty hard and we had a lot to to write about and we also had a request and we're grateful for the request of uh ken rockwood from rockwood music rockwood music hall in new york city he has a label and he asked us he said would you make an album an acoustic album you know the way you used to play in my venue just you two and a guitar and so um we said yes we said yes and uh we went on this pretty much a year-long exploration of our musical cosmology shared musical cosmology as the union of two individuals and um and that was fascinating and and we we really kind of put ourselves through our own process it's actually literally the songwriters journey stage by stage that we've now taken well maybe 160 uh humans on we we pointed it toward ourselves and said well let's go from the beginning you know that we'll set sail into the creative unknown you know what is the music that wants to come out of us now under that you know creative act and we we walk through each stage and really just allowed you know what we've done for so many to be to be pointed toward us and um it turned out we had a lot of uh healing transformation catharsis to process we had some uh you know some ancestral you know work to do with our grandmother we never got to meet the whole album is dedicated to her uh the grandmother we never got to meet who who took we think took her own life she we never saw the the note but she took her wedding ring off and she took out she went out in her own plane on mother's day 45 years ago and went out into the ocean and uh so the album's called i went to the sea to be free um and in it we also process uh a remarkable loss um and and gift in the short life of toronto's son jack mutsura mcrae coron who was born with uh critical uh brain damage in the birth injury um about two years ago and um and so we honor him in this album and he really was part of writing this out he was alive during the process um during our songwriter's journey to create the album coming out in june and uh he passed away in january of 2020 and uh so it's it's also many songs are dedicated to grief and loss and and understanding uh just you know being open to the human experience that we all go through and um giving container just like song gets to for the hardest of life's experiences uh as they as they find you and so this album has uh you know holds that that's why beautiful beautiful i'm so i'm i'm so glad that you you told me right before we did this conversation you were bringing out a new album and i said i'm really glad that you're you're letting that come out um so i know you're gonna sing for us in a moment which is awesome and um i know that people are gonna really um enjoy that but i would ask you kind of riffing on what what i just asked you what would you say are the joys and gifts that we get to experience when we unlock our voices perhaps the unexpected ones i don't just mean being able to sing freely or speak what have you noticed that the kind of net effects in the people that you work with or your own journeys what you have noticed by giving yourself to this path in such a devoted way well i i would start by saying uh self acceptance which if you somatically feel self acceptance where there's no rooms in your mind and body where you aren't welcome to venture right where you feel free to voice what occurs is this incredible currency uh and i believe it's the highest of currencies in here which is being proud of yourself and uh i would say one of the lowest feelings is being not proud of yourself and and i don't mean pride i mean just ah like me what i've discovered in myself and watching others reclaim their voice is that there's this new vitality that's crossing through their veins where they feel the freedom and power and connection to the voice that they are and their willingness to share it even if they're scared and the currency that reciprocates is i'm proud of myself and that is like a liquid gold from some you know ancient planet and so i would say that's the most surprising and i can see it when someone gets the transmission it happens i can see them a year and a half later at some event and they don't even realize they're still glowing right and not the same yeah and that's there for all of us for sure all of us to discover again yeah yeah i i think we find that people that sing again reclaim that um [Music] find courage conviction connection um and vitality you know uh they they just you know we we we it calls for us to be present you know i like to say i sing therefore i am [Music] yeah beautiful beautiful well this is the perfect time for you guys to sing for us i think and thank you for doing this oh yeah it's our pleasure well we want to you know this is uh we want to sing ease in and into this moment and uh this is a song that's unreleased from the album from the album the brothers corn album and it's called easy and this is actually uh penned with our mother uh to bring it full circle she's incredible writer and this actually is a song about love of the greatest diseases that flows you know that love doesn't have to be hardship it can be just it can just flow even this one settle down unwind see me feeling free cup of tea [Music] please me better now your [Music] don't rush release me let your golden hair down let me drown roll me around and take me easy is [Music] squeeze me i [Music] hold me tight it feels right [Music] you could die tonight let your golden hair down let me draw me [Music] around he said everything is easy [Music] is [Music] e well i think here's his here's something i would like anyone who just listened to that and had the same response i did which is just how beautiful your voices are not only the way that you two syncopate but just if you listen to this whole conversation and you heard the guys saying uh they don't always love their voice or they've had moments where they thought they couldn't sing let that be a lesson to all of us because that's what just came out of you guys so yeah congratulations with with the new album i can't wait to get it it's it's fantastic thank you lee thank you sorry very kind thank you lee thanks for having us too it's been so fun talking well i shared with you i think you first came on my radar about four years ago through through a friend and and so it's just been lovely to have this full circle moment and i love what you're doing in the world because sure we've been talking about singing and music but we've been talking about life and being a human and that that's the beautiful interwoven part of it all so um good luck with all you're doing not that you need it and um yeah i look forward to more with you guys in the future thank you and and to all all of you listening you know if you have this desire to rediscover or discover for the first time that you have been gifted a voice you know and the music is this elixir this medium this container for us all that it is our nature's birthright um do so and and if it calls you find us in the world we're waiting for you your voice is waiting for you and all of your offerings are at brotherscorin.com and we will put that link in with the show notes but we'll also link to your new course with the shift network which we think is called uncover your soul song at the moment that's thought yeah i do think so yeah perfect and um and yeah i'm really looking forward to your album in june and that is the album just called the brothers coron well it's the the album is i went to the sea to be free oh yes you said i went to the sea to be free perfect great okay well thank you guys and uh big love and thank you for being here and um yeah good luck with everything you're doing and to you thank you so much thank you thanks so much for tuning in to this episode of impact the world and if you want to go deeper and more in depth with my work you should check out my members group the portal you can find it at my website lee harrisenergy.com or visit the portal dot world

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Length: 60min 51sec (3651 seconds)

Published: Mon May 03 2021