- Aqua Tofana. Hi my beautiful friends, how are you? Oh my gosh, I missed you so much. Come on in. Group hug, come to Auntie Bailey. Okay, that was weird, but you know, we can't hug each other. But we shouldn't be hugging
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crazy right now in the world. To say the least. I was gone for three weeks, I know. Sorry. It wasn't supposed to go like this, but that's how it went. I will just lightly tell
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to disappear on you for three weeks. That was not the plan originally. What happened was 2020 has
just been a shit storm. And then sadly my grandpa passed away, and then when that
happened, that's when I was just like, I'm done. I need a break. And then I had a very,
I wouldn't say it was poorly planned, but with what's going on, you see, we went on vacation, and with just, (exhales) I really needed that break,
so I appreciate you guys for being very understanding,
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what I'm using on my face, I do link it down in the description box. So, today we're gonna talk
about the Butterbox Babies. Have you heard of them? Well, let me tell you something. I was watching Amazon, just
going down the Prime movies, especially thrillers, I love thrillers. I think it was called Butterbox Babies. It might have been called something else. Whatever. In the beginning it said
based on true events. And that's how you get me. I'm that easy. You could wear a T-shirt that says based on true events, and I would be like, oh yeah, give it to me. Awesome. Oh, you know what? I don't know why I'm joking,
because that's not funny. (laughing) This is not a funny story. The movie, I would give it like a B minus. It wasn't that great. But the overall story was interesting, and it had me curious. I was like, I need to do
some research on this. Is this really real? Warning. The following presentation is
intended for mature audiences. It contains graphic
descriptions of crime scenes, adult dialogue, and strong language. Viewer discretion is advised. So, in the spring of 1935, Eva Nieforth of Nova Scotia
was in a relationship with a man named Walter. Her and Walter were dating
for a little bit of time, and then she found out
that she was pregnant. Now, they had to keep
this pregnancy a secret because this is during a
time when having a baby out of wedlock was a big no-no. You know, it was just a scandal, okay? You just didn't do that. I mean, people still kind
of feel that way now, but whatever, it was a bigger deal then. And during this time, there
just weren't many options as far as what you could do. So Eva, when she found
out she was pregnant, she did some research, okay? And she came across this place called the Ideal Maternity Home, and Eva decided that
this was where she would have her baby, without judgment, a safe place for women,
and nobody would know. Just before Christmas, Eva headed out to the maternity home, and she was welcomed with open arms by the owners, whose names
were William and Lila Young, and they gladly took in
Eva and her unborn baby. I mean, this was their job, their passion. About a week went by when
poor Eva had contracted an abdominal infection. She was bedridden until the end of January when she went into labor. The labor was rough, and Eva almost died while giving birth. Sadly, though, Eva's baby
did end up passing away shortly after being born, and Eva was struggling to
fight for her own life. William, one of the maternity home owners, wrote a letter to Eva's boyfriend, his name was Walter, and
he was letting him know about the situation,
that the baby had passed, and that Eva was struggling
to hang onto her life. Walter didn't think, he didn't think Eva would have much time left,
so then Walter came out to the maternity home to visit Eva, and that's when he had learned
that Eva had not been given any type of antibiotics for her infection, and the maternity home didn't even have any antibiotics available. I mean, hello? What are you guys doing? For obvious reason,
this made Walter upset. He started asking around,
like, have you guys called a doctor? Where's a doctor? We need a doctor. He's asking Lila and William, the owners, why haven't you guys called a doctor? And of course William Young, the owner, he was just offended, outraged. How dare you? Walter said I am a doctor, and there's no need to
involve anyone else, you fool. Well, I don't know if he said
"you fool", but I imagine. I wasn't there. But he got offended, and
he said I am a doctor. We don't need anyone else. Damn ego, you know. It's like the worst thing in the world. The ego. So they didn't end up calling a doctor. Awesome. Amazing. So then Lila pulls Walter aside, and she gave him an invoice for $25 for the burial of their baby. She billed them. She's like yeah, so
she's got an infection, and we're not gonna call a doctor, but here's a bill. Thank you. Walter did end up paying
the cost for the burial, and when he tried to return to Eva, he was told that visiting hours were over, and that he needed to go. So Walter ended up leaving,
and then two days later, Eva Nieforth was dead. Let's go back to the beginning. Lila, let's start with Lila. Lila was born in Foxpoint,
Nova Scotia in 1908, around that time. When Lila graduated from high school, she decided to study and become a teacher, so she did just that. And at the age of 26 is when she met 27-year-old William Peach Young. Great name. William Peach? I love that. William Peach. Sorry, he's a bad guy here. Anyways, but he had graduated
from medical college in 1923. Now, William would care for the sick along the south coast of Nova Scotia, and William and Lila, they
would end up marrying in 1925, and soon after the wedding, Lila, she found herself pregnant
with their first child, and the two of the would go on to have five children in total. Lila and William are the ones
who own this maternity home that I mentioned in the beginning. Normally I don't do a beginning story, but I thought I would try it. Lila would go on to train as a midwife, and William decided to become
a licensed chiropractor. Now, during this time in 1927, chiropractors were seen as quacks by the American Medical Association. In the first 30 years of
chiropractic professions, there were more than 15,000 prosecutions, and about 20% of them
resulted in incarceration. It was just seen as not a real
practice, not a real thing, so people were like, being
chiropractors underground, which is so interesting, right? Because it's almost normal now. But you know what? This is a side note. I kind of went down a rabbit hole about chiropractors, and
how people truly believe to this day that it's
all just mumbo jumbo, and it was really interesting, because I've never thought
to question anything, well here we are, okay. Anywho, the couple stayed
in Chicago for two months before deciding to move to Nova Scotia. They didn't have a lot of money, okay? But they were able to purchase a small four bedroom cottage in Eastchester. I just love older stories like this. It's like, we were poor, but
we bought a four bedroom house. Oh, if only we could do that now, huh? So yes, they got their
own four bedroom cottage in Eastchester. The Youngs had a vision. A vision! Visions are always in these stories. Visions. But they had a vision. They wanted to open their home to people in need of medical care which sounds great, right? That's so nice. So they decided to start
a life and health facility with the slogan "Where the Sick Get Well". I mean, to us, that's kind
of like an okay quote, but at the time it was like, oh my god, where the sick get well? That's so clever. It's like the first time
people are hearing this. Lila's midwife
qualification came in handy, and the couple soon realized
there was a big demand for maternity care in that area, especially for young
mothers, or unmarried women who fell pregnant. You see, there was no
support programs in place for unmarried mothers in Nova Scotia. This was a time when having
children out of wedlock was still very much taboo. Even families would turn their backs on their unmarried pregnant daughters, kick them out of the house
to fend for themselves. I mean, people still kind
of do that to this day. But you know, this was more intense, because it was really frowned upon. I've mentioned this
before in another video, everything was frowned upon back then. It was just shame. You brought shame to the family. Anywho, but there was no
place for these women to go. They had nowhere. So, many unwed mothers
came through the doors of the home of the
Youngs, Lila and William. Their last name is Young. I'm going to refer to them as the Youngs. So, the two of them decided to rebrand and change the name of the
facility to Ideal Maternity Home. They promised to be discrete and protect expectant
mothers from social judgment. They put ads in the newspaper that said "Ideal maternity mother's
refuge for girls. "No publicity." They put out another ad that said "Dame gossip has ruined many young lives "and ruined them socially. "They might have been
bright stars in society, "and a power in the world of usefulness "had they been shielded from gossip "when they made a mistake." And that sounds nice, right? Because it's true. They also had a little
brochure or a pamphlet, and inside that brochure,
they made it sound like a safe and welcoming
place for mothers. And they were promised
entertainment and recreation, in modern facilities,
while the babies would have a fantastic start in life. yeah, I mean they were making it sound like it's amazing. The Ideal Maternity Home also offered complete adoption services. Abortions were also performed which were completely illegal at the time in Canada before 1969 the maximum penalty for
a doctor or anyone else who conducted an abortion
was life imprisonment. This was obviously not
something advertised through their ads at
all, but word of mouth would let others know
that this was a safe place for a woman to go. Cue the angry comments, yada yada yada. Kay. If women chose to end their pregnancies, they had the option to do so
at the Ideal Maternity Home. But for the most part, the
home was a maternity business, and it didn't come cheap. So the women would have
to pay between 100 to $500 to have the baby delivered, and then also that would cover stay, or a couple of days for recovery. Mothers were required to pay on arrival, so they had to pay beforehand. During this time, the weekly wage was about eight dollars a week, so people were making
eight dollars a week, and they were asking for
anywhere from 100 to $500. So who's affording that, you know? Seriously. So mothers had a really
hard time paying for this, and unfortunately, they
weren't given a heads up of how much it cost, or they
probably wouldn't have gone in the first place, but
they're already there, and they had no other place to go, so it was like, this was
really their only option. So if mothers were unable to pay, the Youngs would blackmail
the women's families, or even the boyfriend, to make sure that they got their money. And if these women
really didn't pay at all, and they had no other
resort, they would allow them to work as cleaners, cooks, or nannies, inside of the home, to pay off their debt, which a lot of them did,
because they couldn't afford it. Many of the women really
had no other choice and remained at the home for years until their debt was paid off. I was reading anywhere
from five to 10 years. Which is insane. But they couldn't tell people
about what they were doing because then people would
find out about this home, and they couldn't say anything. It wasn't worth the risk of
their families finding out about this pregnancy, or
if they got an abortion or something, you know? Like, uh no. So they just shut up and
worked inside the home. I couldn't exactly figure
out how some of the women could afford that. The Youngs would trap
a lot of their clients. With every add-on came an additional cost, so if women who were
staying there needed diapers for the babies, that would be $12. Which was an inflated price, obviously. $12 was a lot to them. Oh, you need baby products? Yeah, that's gonna be two dollars. So they were constantly
up-charging for items and then adding on this fat bill of items that these people were
using inside the home. They would charge for
babysitting per week, and if the baby sadly passed away, that would be $20 for
the funeral, the burial. And at first when I was reading this, I was like oh my god, how could they? And then when I thought
about it, I was like, that's exactly how our health care system still works to this day. But to some people this is very shocking. It's like, oh yeah, you need a tissue? Oh yeah, that's $10. I just went to the doctor's the other day, and the bill was atrocious. And if mothers could not
care for their babies, Lila told them if they paid the home $300, they would find an
adoptive family for them. The mother could leave,
and the official document for this agreement was called an Adoption Transfer Agreement. This was considered odd,
because mothers would typically pay for their stay at a maternity home, but never would they have to
pay for adoption services. Occasionally, women would
have their babies elsewhere, and then they would decide, you know what, maybe I can't take care of this baby, or it would be best if
I put it up for adoption so they could actually bring
it to their maternity home, and Lila would gladly
accept any kind of baby, well, she would accept the babies, because these kinds of
transactions were great because they wouldn't have to go through the birthing services,
which was a nightmare. But they were still able
to get money from them. It was just pure profit,
and they had to do little to no work. I mean, at the end of the day, this was a money making business. It started as the couple
wanting to help families, wanting to help young women,
and then all of a sudden, greed kicked in, and it was no longer about helping the women, it
was all about making money, and how much money can we make? And so they needed to amp up
the selling of these kids, because that was bringing
in the most profit for them. So the Youngs took it into their own hands to get rid of babies that
they were unable to sell. Yes. You heard that right. They got rid of them. Babies who had visible
imperfections, like birth marks, deformities, who were
sickly, who were mixed race, who were darker skin-toned, were considered unmarketable. They fed those children molasses and water as a way to starve them. The poor baby would be dead within weeks. Usually it would take no
longer than two weeks, so it was, honestly, I
feel like it was a slow, slow death, like these poor kids. The bodies would be placed
in wooden delivery boxes from the local creamery,
and the wooden boxes had a label on the outside of them that said Butterboxes. They ended up just using
these boxes as coffins to bury the bodies of these children in. Now, they weren't telling
the women who gave birth to these children, they
weren't telling them what they were doing with the children, so they had no idea. And then on top of that, they
would still ask the mothers to pay for the funeral cost. And if the mothers could
not pay for the funeral cost babies were discarded
by burning the bodies in the incinerator, and
if they couldn't do that, like if the incinerator was full, which, yeah, whatever. Other bodies that could not be paid for were given to the local fishermen who threw them into the sea, and I did read, they may have used them as fish food, but I cannot
confirm or deny that. And I wasn't there, so
I really don't know. Either way, it's still awful. All of it's awful. There was a handyman who
worked at the maternity home, and his name was Glen. And Glen claimed that he
helped the Youngs bury between 100 to 125 babies in a field near Fox Point. The field was owned by the parents of Lila and Glen claimed that they would bury the boxes of babies in rows. Glen also said that sometimes babies would just lay dead in a
tool shed for up to five days under a box before Glen
was able to transport them to the field. Yeah. Pretty awful. It was said that inside of the home, Lila was the one who
actually would be like the main person who delivered the babies, and she was known to be pretty rough with the mothers during labor,
and pretty mean as well. One woman would later
recall her experience saying that while in
labor her baby was choking on the umbilical cord,
and that Lila didn't know what to do, so she fell to the
ground and started praying, and then William stepped in
and managed to deliver the baby who was breached, so the
baby came out bottom first, butt first, legs first, feet first. Which was very dangerous,
and also extremely painful to the mother, and they didn't
have any medication for them. They didn't have anything
to help ease the pain and also just make the
delivery go smoother. Luckily the mother and the
baby did make it out okay, but while the mother laid
there trying to recover the baby was being looked after by Lila and the team of people. A couple of days later, Lila
comes back into the room to see how this woman's doing. Lila came in and she tells this woman I'm sorry to tell you, but
your baby has become very ill, and things are just not
looking very good for her. Now this mother, she
knew something was up. She found it very, very strange, because she was literally
just nursing her baby not that long ago, and
everything was fine. And you know, mothers know. Mothers know. So she just knew something wasn't right, and she was like, what
do you mean she's ill? And Lila just said oh, she's sick. I can't show her to you right now because she's very vulnerable. She needs to rest, she needs to heal. And then an hour goes by,
Lila comes back into the room to let the woman know
that her baby had died. Now this woman, of course she's shocked, she's hurt, she's upset. But she had that gut
feeling that Lila was lying. I think she knew Lila was lying. She just saw her baby, her baby was fine. She knew her baby was fine. As time passed throughout
the day, this woman had heard rumors that there was
a wealthy family coming to the Ideal Maternity Home
wanting to adopt a girl at the time, and this woman's
baby was the only girl in the nursery. So when this woman presses
Lila and asked questions about her baby, like
what's really going on, what are you doing? She got no answers, and got nowhere. Unfortunately that woman
never saw her baby again. She had no proof of even having a child. She had no proof of even
where to begin looking for the baby, because
at this maternity home, they kept little to no records. Yeah. So it's like, how do you even know what to look for, you know? So yeah, sadly that
woman just never, never saw her baby again, and I guess
throughout her adult life, she did constantly try
to look and find her. Sad. Never found her. The Youngs only kept the
best babies for adoption, which meant healthy Caucasian babies. This is what they were doing, that's not what I'm saying, okay? They would put out newspaper ads, again, looking for future adoptive parents, saying "lovely babies for
adoption, excellent backgrounds "and healthy bodies. "Write for information." And they would charge
the adoptive families between 800 to $1000 for babies, back in the 1930s. And then as time went
on, the prices just kept hiking up because there was
a high demand for babies yeah, it sounds weird saying that, but there was. According to records,
the couple had earned an estimated $3.5 million
from adoption sales within 10 years. And that's not including
the price they were earning from room and board, and
delivery from the mothers, which is insane, because think about it. People were making eight dollars a week. To be a millionaire at that time? Even in 10 years. That's insane. They had a lot of money. What were they doing with the money, is what I was trying to figure out. I don't know. So anyone who came into the home and wanted to adopt a baby were required to bring references and proof of income. It was required by law, but
they didn't really care. Lila and William, they never really checked the families, okay? If they could pay, if they had the money, and especially the cash, just
showed up with the money, yeah, okay. Here you go. Baby. They did not care. They didn't do any type of
screening on the families, they didn't make sure it
was going to a safe place. They didn't care. Must I explain more? No. Sometimes families would choose babies before they were even born just by looking at the mothers. The adoptions were processed quickly, sometimes within 24 hours
in the local county court when the children were as
young as two to three days old. People would come in, look
at the different mothers, and be like yeah, I want that baby, which is so gross, but
that's what they did. The whole thing is just disturbing. In 1945, a potential adoptive mother, she was finally, she
was, some sense in here, she was completely
appalled by what she saw, and she ended up reporting her experience to an adoption worker in New York. She reported that the
smell and stench of urine overcame her to such an extent that she was ready to fly from the place. She went on to say that the cribs had about three children in each one. No child was getting personal care, and all looked undernourished,
pale, and soiled. This would lead to some concern. Now, if a client changed their mind, and maybe they wanted to keep their baby, or they wanted their baby back, Lila would tell them that
they had to pay $10,000, and would claim that their
adoption was already set up. So they wouldn't give the baby back unless they produced the money, and even if they produced the money, they would take it,
and they still wouldn't do anything about it,
because they didn't have to. Vacationers from New York and New Jersey would head to Nova Scotia, Nova Scotia coast in the summer. Many of these were
childless Jewish couples who were finding no
Jewish babies to adopt, so Lila and William were
like, yeah, no problem. Look, right here. This is a Jewish baby. Here you go. And then she would just lie and say that they were Jewish babies, just so they would adopt them and make some money, you know? It's so stupid. Yeah, you want a Jewish baby? Okay, here look, right here. Buy one, get one. The thing is, nobody at that
time knew she was lying. Everyone thought this was just
this amazing maternity home, and had no reason to
question it, you know? So she's just lying her ass off, saying she has all these Jewish babies, when the reality is, I
don't even, who knows? I don't even think she kept a record, but we don't really know. A big source of revenue
came from American families because at the time policies in the US made it difficult for families to adopt outside of religious lines,
so people from the US, hoping to adopt, would seek
out this maternity home. Because demand was
getting higher and higher, babies were selling. Babies were just popping off, up to $10,000, from people all over. But mainly prominent wealthy
socialites, or politicians. People who had money, obviously. I mean, $10,000. I make eight dollars a week. Where am I getting that, you know? Mm-hmm. The Ideal Maternity Home
had many supporters, and the community would
offer and donate items, but also just a lot of money as well, because from the outside looking in, it was like, oh the
fact that they're giving these unwed mothers a safe
haven to have their children and then found suitable
homes where they could raise their children, all while doing this in the Lord's name? Such wow, such wonder. Here's my money. And I'm not trying to
point at the finger at them in any way, shape, or form. To them, they thought it
was peaches and cream. They were doing great things, so I just, I don't think they're
necessarily the bad guys. It does sound like a nice cause from the outside looking in. The Ideal Maternity Home
updated their brochure, and it had tons of quotes
from their local senator, who fully supported what they were doing, and then there were also a
picture inside the brochure of the son and daughter-in-law of Nova Scotia's lieutenant governor, who had adopted a baby from
the Ideal Maternity Home. So, I mean, making them look good. So again, everyone is
just thinking this place is doing wonderful great things, yippee-kay-ai-ay. Yes. But the reality. Nay-nay. Nay-nay, they were not doing good things. Many were not fond of
the Ideal Maternity Home, and they saw it as a way to
exploit young mothers in need. Nova Scotia's minister of public welfare, his name was Dr. Frank
Davis, heard a ton of rumors swirling around about the deaths happening over the maternity home, so he decided to have some people
investigate the situation. An inspector went to the
Ideal Maternity Home in 1945, and reported neglect after seeing babies that weighed half of the average weight of babies their age. Flies were swarming around,
there was just dirty conditions that were not suitable
for people to live in, and he made reports about it. So after many reports
of neglect and concerns over the Ideal Maternity
Home, an amendment was added to the Maternity Boarding House Act adding more requirements
and order for licenses to be accepted for
maternity boarding houses. So I mean, at least thanks to them there was more laws set in place to protect future people
falling victim to this. So at least, it's sad,
but at least some good came from, I don't know. As soon as the amendment went into place, the Ideal Maternity Home
was rejected a license and was shut down. But of course, that didn't stop Lila. She's convinced that she was
just being harassed, okay? She was crying out to
the families and stuff, like, I'm being harassed, you guys. I need your donations now more than ever, because they're shutting me down. Anywho, so she did try to
keep going without a license, and she tried to appeal
the rejection of a license. Lila and William were
convicted of violating the Maternity Boarding House Act, and also practicing medicine
without a license in 1945. You're thinking wow, prison time, right? Well, no. They were fined $150. That was nothing to them. Anywho, but Lila was still
fuming over this whole situation and the court cases, and being harassed, so she ended up trying
to file a $25,000 lawsuit against a local newspaper that had been ratting her out. She didn't like it. No, you can't do that. So she went after them. The entire case was just
one big complete joke, but the trial actually ended up exposing a lot of Lila's wrongdoing,
the mistreatment, the neglect that had
happened inside of the home. It just kind of brought
these things to light, so her dumbass, it backfired on her. After that, the Ideal
Maternity Home soon closed, officially, and Lila and
William were soon bankrupt. I know, where did all that money go? I think they probably put it
somewhere in a safe place. Maybe the business just went bankrupt but they were still dirty rich. I don't know. But in 1962, William died of cancer, and in 1967, Lila died of leukemia. Lila was buried in a cemetery next door to where she had been
burying the Butterbox Babies. Isn't that kind of sad? Kind of sad? That is sad. The Ideal Maternity Home was
abandoned for quite some time, but in 1962, somebody set it on fire and it burned down. It was suspected arson,
so that kind of sucks. I mean, well, it'd be
interesting to see the place, it doesn't matter. But yeah, it burnt down. Allegedly, I'm not quite
sure, but I believe the babies are still buried out there. But there is a website
dedicated to helping survivors of the Butterbox Babies case find their biological families. I'll just leave it down
in the description box, if you're curious to read more about it, and also read different
survivors' stories. There's so many of them,
and there's honestly no record of them as well,
so it's really difficult to try and locate all of these babies that were sold. Yeah. Anyways, so that is the story
about the Butterbox Babies. I would love to hear
your thoughts down below. It was a pretty old case, and there's not, there's little to no
information out there, but what we do know was what I told you, and I feel like that is enough to know that this place was fucking awful, okay? I feel so bad to all of those poor women who were taken advantage of
by this money hungry family, and I'm gonna try and
dig around some more, because I'm curious to know, where did all their money go? They made so much of
it, so where did it go? I don't know. Anyways, let me know
your thoughts down below. Thank you so much for
hanging out with me today. I love and appreciate
you guys so, so much, and I hope that you have
a wonderful day today. Please make good choices. Please be safe out there. And I'll be seeing you guys very soon. Bye! (singing) Did I just do the theme song at the end? How dare I? (upbeat music)
