- I was like, yeah, let's
wear a black turtleneck because like, yeah, I
look like a floating head. Floating head. Or Steve Jobs. Hi guys, how are you today? My name is Bailey Sarian, and it's Monday, which means it's Murder,
Mystery and Makeup Monday. (scat singing) (drink slurping) If you are new here,
hi, my name is Bailey. Shit, I do that every week,
but my name is Bailey, and every Monday I sit down and I talk about a true crime story that's been heavy on my noggin and I do my makeup at the same time. Yeah, it's kind of a weird combination but it's what I've been doing, and yeah. So for the month of October, I've been doing like a Halloween look, but it's not really about the makeup. You know what I'm saying? I'm just doing it. So if you are breaking
out like me, I'm sorry. So if you are interested in
true crime and you like makeup, I would highly suggest you subscribe. I'm here for you every Monday, and I'm also uploading
on Saturdays as well. And if you don't like me, that's okay. I don't really care. Do you know what I'm saying? Okay, anyways, last week we talked about, oh my gosh, that love triangle story. That was intense. That was a Lifetime movie. You know, since it's October and things are kind of
spooky ooky out there, I thought it'd be nice
to kind of throw in, throwing it in, you can either catch it
or you could dodge it, a little bit of a ghost story. Whether you believe in ghosts or not, that's up to you, baby, but I'm just gonna share this one. So let's get into today's story about Ally and Debbie Tallman. So, this story takes
place in February of 1987. Allen and Debbie Tallman
and their three children moved into a new home
in Horicon, Wisconsin. Let me double check that. Is it Horicon, I have a feeling it's not. Okay, it's Horicon, Wisconsin. Now at this time, it was a
very small farming community and there was like under
3000 people who lived there. I forgot to check what it is now but it's probably still
small, I'm assuming. So they have three
children, two little girls and they are about three years old. And then they have a little
boy and he's about seven. They didn't want their
kids be named at all. They wanted to keep them anonymous. I'm just going to be referring to them as like the children and whatnot. The family moves into this new home, and Debbie described this
home as being her dream home. I mean, everything she could want or could have wanted for her family. It was the perfect three
bedroom, suburban home. The house needed a
little bit of fixing up, you know, some like painted walls, maybe some new carpet
eventually, but for the most part they can move in and like, it'd be great. Now upon moving in,
Debbie kind of took notice that her kids seem to be
getting sick all the time. Now kids get sick a lot
because they're constantly around germs and whatnot, little Rascals. She just thought it was strange because the kids rarely got sick. She couldn't figure out why they were getting the
flu back to back to back. I mean, she says that the kids
were just constantly sick. Oh my gosh. Damn it this liner. Debbie would take the kids to the doctor's and they would have a fever. They would get some
medication, they'd be fine. And then again, they would all get sick and it was just strange. But Debbie and Allen just
assumed it was, I dunno stress from the new place,
the weather changing. So the two youngest daughters would be sharing a room together, and then they have their younger son who would have his own room, and then the parents
obviously have their room. Debbie decided to go
to a local thrift store because she wanted to see if she could find like bunk
beds for the daughters. I mean, that'd be perfect. She comes across a bunk bed that was in perfect brand new condition. And it would be great
for the younger girls. Bunk beds, who doesn't like bunk beds? I keep trying to convince Fernando if we could get bunk beds
because wouldn't that be fun? Stop judging me. So once the bunk beds were
brought back to the home they assembled it and they set it up in the bedroom. Wa-la, it was perfect. It's May of 1987 and the first night all the kids are finally
sleeping in their own rooms. Allen, the father, was in his
son's room saying good night to his son in his bedroom and like tucked him in at night and his son tells Allen, his father, can you turn on the radio for me? Because I like sleeping with the radio on. He liked that noise. Allen turns on the radio,
kisses his son good night, turns off the lights,
and goes to his room. So his son is in bed and he turns over and he hears that the
radio changes channels. It's one of those radios that has the dial to find the channel. He doesn't really know how
to like find his way back to the correct channel it was on. So he gets up out of bed and
he goes to his parent's room and he's like, can you
come fix the radio for me? It turned channels. So Allen gets up out
of bed and he goes back to his son's room and he
adjust the radio for him. Allen just goes back to bed. A few minutes later the
son is in his room, right? And he's just like trying to sleep. This time, he sees the radio
dial was turning on its own. Like it was just turning stations. Obviously it freaks him out. So he screams and he goes
back into his parents' room. I mean, he's terrified. He just saw a radio
dial turning on its own. And he's trying to explain to his parents like I saw the dial moving on its own. Can I sleep in here please? And at this point Allen
is a little bit upset because he's trying to sleep. Allen even says in an interview that he got pretty like
upset with the son, told him to go back to his room. So Allen unplugs the radio. He takes it from his son's room. And I was like, no now
you don't get this radio because you're making stories up and I just need to go to bed. So let's just take it out. That's that. Now he doesn't even get the radio and now he's in trouble
for something that happened and no one believes him. So summer now turns into winter and by this time the family
is just not doing well. They were all really struggling to get like a good night's sleep. Either nightmares would wake somebody up. Like the children would wake up because they had a nightmare. Even the parents, Allen
and Debbie, they said that they were like having
just really strange dreams. And then some nights
they would hear noises, just like creaking noises, things that could easily be dismissed. Like it could be the wind
that was causing that noise. Nightmares are happening because of stress and it really wasn't anything
for them to fully worry about. Because again, it was just
things that you could brush off. Now, Debbie said sometimes
in the middle of the night she would hear the two
youngest girls in their room. It sounded like they were
giggling, they were laughing. They were playing, but
it was like 2:00 AM. So she's like, what the
hell are they doing up? And Debbie would go into the room. She would see that all
the kids were asleep. No one was up. Nobody was playing. So it's like, okay, I
must be losing my mind. I don't know what is happening. So a few weeks later, Allen is down in the basement area because he decided he's going to give the
basement a little makeover. Well, first of all, it
needed to be painted because it was just grimy looking and he wanted to turn it
into like his man cave. So Allen's like, okay, I'm
just going to be down here. I'm going to be painting. So Debbie comes downstairs and she tells Allen, "Hey, lunch is ready. "Let's go have it together as a family." So Allen is like, okay, cool. And he puts his paintbrush down. He's going to come right back
when he's done having lunch and finish the job. He sets his paintbrush on the table, making sure that the bristles are kind of like hanging off of the edge. Allen goes upstairs. He has lunch with the fam and once he's done, he
comes back downstairs. He sees that the
paintbrush is now sticking into the paint container itself. The brush is in there and it's just kind of
standing straight up. Allen's thinking like, I know for a fact that I set the brush down on the edge of the table and everybody
was upstairs having lunch. So who the fuck moved the
brush into the pink container? Now, Allen is just one of those old school dads where
he's just like a logical Dad. He's like, there's nothing
going on in this house. It's me. I'm just like losing my mind. I must have placed it in
the bowl, in the container, and I just forgot about it or something. Allen didn't want to believe that there was like ghosts
or anything, but deep down he knew that this is weird, suspish. That night, once again one of the girls sleeping in the bunk beds began screaming in the
middle of the night. Debbie and Allen, they both ran into the bedroom because it
was just like an intense scream not a normal screen, but like a scream. Debbie and Allen they run to the bedroom to find their daughter
just screaming and crying. And they asked, you
know, what's happening? What's going on? What? Their daughter claimed
that there was a witch in her bedroom. Uh-huh, a witch, okay. And the daughter said that
this witch was watching them. She was by the door and she had red eyes and she liked to hide
behind the bedroom door when the parents were around. She goes on with saying that the witch had set her room on fire and that's why she was screaming because she was trapped in this fire. They kind of told her
the daughter, you know, it's just a nightmare. Don't worry, everything's fine. You're safe. There's no fire. Just go back to bed. Everything's okay. Then their son comes rushing into the room because he heard the screaming as well. And he said to his parents,
I saw the same thing. She's an old lady and she's watching us and she keeps setting things on fire. Now Debbie is the one who
starts believing her kids. I mean, she feels like
there is something weird going on around the house. Obviously she doesn't want to mention this in front of the children, but Debbie is taking what her
kids are saying seriously. Like, I hate this house. Like it's giving me the creeps. I just don't feel safe here. Now as the days went on the
family would be having dinner and then they would just hear
doors kind of creak open, they would hear a door slam shut, and just really like weird
noises just continued. Which if I was hearing this stuff I would just run out of the house. Slamming shut. No. But they stayed. I mean, yeah they stayed. Anyways, and when Debbie
was doing her laundry or just doing laundry in general she heard strange voices
calling out to her either calling her name or saying like, "Come here, come here." No, no, no, no. And Debbie would tell Allen about this he was just like, you guys stop it. Then at that same night
that Debbie heard these weird voices calling out to her, their son woke up in the
middle of the night screaming, and when Debbie or Allen
went in to check on him he claimed that he saw like a dark cloud by the door of his room. Whatever it was like it was watching him, and it was telling him that they were going to kill his family. So then a week before Christmas, they got the Christmas tree all set up. It's supposed to be a happy time. And their son is out sleeping on the couch because he wanted to sleep
next to the Christmas tree, and like all the lights and stuff. But really, I think he
just didn't want to sleep in his bedroom anymore. So the son is sleeping out on the couch in the living room and he opens his eyes and he starts screaming again
because he sees an older woman and she was evil, and
she had these red eyes, and she wanted to hurt the family, and she was going to
set the house on fire. This is what she's telling the little boy. And he's just screaming for his parents. And his mom comes running in, and he's begging and crying to mom like, "Please, can we leave? "Can we get out of here?" Which I don't know how you say no to that. Now at this point, Allen has just grown sick of this shit, okay? He's tired of it. He's not sleeping. Everybody's just like
freaking out over nothing, and he's just sick of it all. I can't see. So Allen's like, you know what? I'm going to tell this ghost
to go F itself pretty much. So Allen just has like all this anger that's just been building
up and then he explodes and he starts just screaming
at the top of his lungs at these spirits to get
the hell out of his house. They were not welcome here. And then he goes on to say, which you should never
do, leave the kids alone, and if you want to fight somebody come fight me mother-effer. C'mon you coward. Whether you believe in ghosts or not, that's up to you. If you're new to ghosts, you should never challenge them, okay? Actually, I don't even think you are supposed to acknowledge them really. Because as soon as you acknowledge
them, it's just game over which this is a side note. I did that. I was not really fully a
believer in ghosts ever. It was kind of like,
yeah, it could be true, but at the same time, I don't want to know if it is or isn't. I just kinda like let it be. And then once we moved
out here to Los Angeles the last place we lived at,
unless you've experienced it, I swear to you, it's easy to
be like, no it's X, Y and Z that are causing these issues. But once you experience
it, it's so it sucks. These damn spirits. And I tried to be nice and offer a lipstick to
my ghost in the house. And apparently that was not very good. I did a video on it. I'll link it down below if you're curious. And everybody says that
like, oh, YouTubers always have ghosts in their house. Well, that's because a lot of YouTubers live out here in Los Angeles, and Los Angeles is a very, very old city. I mean, people have lived and died here for a very long time. Like the old apartment we
lived in was built in 1920. So the next day, Debbie and
Allen decided to contact their pastor who then
came over to the house to check it out, you know, to see like if there's something evil in the home. And this pastor said as soon
as he walked into the home he felt a presence of evil. And he wanted to help because
he could see that the family whatever this presence is is using like energy from your children, and that's why there's like
getting sick all the time because the kids were still getting sick, and he just wanted to help the family. So he comes over and he blesses the house telling whatever's in that home that it needs to leave
because that always works. So three weeks later around
2:00 AM on January 7th, 1988, this is when Allen returns home from work, pulls up into his driveway, right? It's late at night, he's
working the night shift. So he gets home at about 2:00 AM. He gets out of his car and then he starts walking
towards the front door. And while walking, he
hears eerie howling sound. You know that noise of like
a really heavy wind outside? Ooh. He's hearing that noise except there was absolutely
no wind going on. It was like a completely still, cold night but no wind was happening. So he's like, what the fuck
is that noise, you know? And then he's like continuing to walk towards the front door and he
hears a voice that's coming out of like this howling noise. And this voice is saying, "Come here." Come here. So Allen went around the back
to see if anyone was there. Which if you hear someone saying come here and it sounds like creepy and suspish, don't come here, keep it moving. Well, I guess he has to, he's dad. Dad's have to. It's in the rule book. Anyways, so he goes around
the back to see like what the hell that is. He sees nobody. So he walks again around the front, grabbing his keys to
unlock the front door. Before he's able to unlock the door, he looks over and the garage
is right there, you know? And he sees like this glow that's coming from inside the garage. And he's like, what the hell is that? There's just a lot of
what the hell is going on. So he kind of moves closer to
the garage to go check it out. And he sees, oh my God,
like, there's a fire. It's smoke. Allen is just like unlocking the door. He had a lunch bag that he was carrying. He sets that down. He runs inside. He grabs the fire extinguisher and then he runs back outside
to come put out the fire. And when he comes back
outside, there is no fire. The fire, the fire was gone. No fire. The garage door was completely undamaged, and it was clear that there was no fire. Like there was no obvious sign
that a fire was happening. So Allen just goes back
and he grabs his lunch pail that he sat down and
he's just carrying it, and he's moving on with his life. That's when something came up
behind him and like punched or just threw the lunch
pail across the room and it broke a lamp. Now it's super easy to
sit here and be like, why don't you move out? Why don't you move? What are you doing? But here's the thing, kids,
you can't just pick up and move sometimes. That costs money. A lot of money. You see, you need this
thing called a deposit, a security deposit. It doesn't make much sense
because a lot of times you don't get the security deposit back, but it's like you have to
pay double the rent upfront. Are you going to have to break a lease? It just costs a lot to move. You can't just pick up and move and everything's fine. After this incident, that's
when Allen started sleeping in his daughter's room. He said he was there to
protect the youngest kids. That's why he started
sleeping in their room. But you know, maybe he was scared. Ooh. Oh, I look so stupid. After a few nights of sleeping in there Allen said he would hear
something whispering, "You're dead. "You're dead." Which like, he's not dead. So the ghost is just being
lazy with choice of words. If you want to be spooky say you're going to die
or something, you know? Anyways, after that everyone
slept in the same room. I don't blame them. A few days later, Allen was working late and asked his brother to watch the girls. He wanted a man there to protect his kids. Allen got in the habit of all
of them sleeping together. But since he was working
late and Debbie was alone, Debbie was going to sleep with their son and then the brother could
sleep in the room with the girls and just make sure, you
know, nothing happens. So it gave Allen peace of mind knowing that his brother was there
to watch over everybody. I'm sorry, I really
can't talk and do this. This is a side note. This is why I have been keeping
my costumes somewhat simple because it's so hard to do the liner and like talk and having a hard time. I completely messed up the whiskers. Sorry about it. So Debbie was going to sleep
with their son and protect him, and then Allen's brother would be sleeping in the bedroom with the girls. Allen told his brother, "Look there's something
weird going on in the house. "We think there's a
ghost or like some shit "but I can't leave my family there alone. "Debbie doesn't like to be alone. "So please stay the night and
make sure nothing happens." His brother's like,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, buddy, ghosts. Sure, Allen, sure. Needless to say his brother
was a non-believer here, okay? While sleeping with the girls the brother wakes up because
he hears like a loud bang. It scares him. It just kind of wakes him up. And when he wakes up,
he kind of looks around and he sees a dark figure by the door. He couldn't make out what it
was, but it was watching him and he just knew it was watching him. He screamed and he grabbed the children and yelled to Debbie to get
the hell out of the house that they were leaving right now. Debbie is like, oh, thank God, because Allen doesn't want to leave, but okay, we're leaving, yep. Debbie puts like some important stuff in a little bag, some
clothes, the stuff she needs, and then they get the hell out of there. They never went back to the home. On that note, let me put on my final look and I'll be right back. I'm a cat. Meow. Okay, so let's finish the story though. Two weeks later, the Tallmans
had the bunk beds destroyed. You see, they kind of thought that maybe the bunk
beds had something to do with it because it seemed like
things really got amped up once the bunk beds came
into the girl's room. Now the kids were getting sick and whatnot before the
bunk beds were there but they thought that it
was indeed the bunk beds. They ended up dropping the bunk beds off at a dump place where
it would be destroyed because they didn't want
anyone else to go through it. And then afterwards, once they moved out the family moved to a
new house and everything. They had no further
paranormal experiences, no more voices, nightmares. Everybody was great. In April of 1988 a family moved into the
old Tallman's house. They had reported to have
no haunting experiences. Many media outlets had
heard about this ghost story and that there was a haunting in the family and at this house too and many people came to them
asking to cover the story. And also the local gossip was happening about how they were making
it all up for attention. That they were just drunks. That they just wanted money. But the Tallman family
stood by their experience. They also wanted no media attention. They had turned down a
lucrative tabloid offer about their experience. They didn't think it was
right to make any money off of their children's misfortune. That's great. Good for them. The Tallmans did agree
to share their story with "Unsolved Mysteries" in
1988, under three conditions. One, they were censored
during their interview. They didn't want their faces to be shown. Two their children's names were protected. They didn't want anybody to
know who their kids were. Three reenactments of
their experiences be done by actors playing the Tallman family, which I thought they did in every episode. But that was their request. The Tallmans House activity was described in a greater extent in a
book called "Haunted America" by Michael Norman and Beth Scott. But at no time in their research do they link the hauntings
to the bunk bed itself. They believed that the activity was linked to the property as being located
on a former burial ground. I'm bad at putting sentences
together, aren't I? And that is a story
about the Tallman family and the paranormal activity
they had experienced in their home. A lot of people do not
believe in paranormal activity but you know, I don't know, man. Carbon monoxide poisoning is always like the number one thing
that they say is linked to paranormal activity. Carbon monoxide poisoning
can make you see things, hear things. It starts to make you
feel like you're crazy. It only happens in your home
if you're having like a leak. And a lot of people confuse that with ghosts because I
mean the side effects of carbon monoxide
poisoning, you hear things you see things, you
start having nightmares. Your chest starts to hurt. You start to feel dizzy, lightheaded. You can't smell it. You can't see it. It's hard to know if you're having a leak. So that's always the first
thing that people mention in these types of stories. It could be the case, but who knows? Anyways, let me know
your thoughts down below. Do you believe in ghosts? Thank you so much for
hanging out with me today. Meow. Meow. See, I'm a great cat. I hope you have a wonderful day today. Make good choices,
please be safe out there. And if you leave here with
the only learning one thing, that one thing I'm going to tell you to not do don't ever, ever,
ever challenge a ghost. Nay nay, and I'll be
seeing you guys later. Bye. Cat, I'm a kitty cat. And a meow, meow, meow. And a meow, meow, meow. Cat, I'm a kitty cat. And a meow, meow, meow.
WHOA THANK YOU SO MUCH THIS IS INCREDIBLE.
I’m so bored by the beauty community and its drama (sometimes) but I absolutely love seeing people who know what they’re doing try out lewks. Why doesn’t EVERYONE talk about true crime???
This is my new favorite thing now too!! 😻