IDEAL Networks Poe Pro Network Cable Tester / PoE Load Test

so I did a video about these thin little patch cords and they're pretty novel and the video is pretty popular and I like them and of course I said I don't know electrically enough about these so an interview was put together with Dan from ideal networks who does know a whole lot about cabling standards that's a great interview and it will go way more in depth about cabling standards and I'm gonna get today it was enlightening hearing from him uh they also from ideal networks they sent me this this is the ideal networks p OE Pro and this is a really slick little device that I wanted to review and talk about p OE testing so the person i did the interview was part of the company that designed this and so this is a really neat device that i wanted to show how it loads these that's why he sent it to us so we can do demonstration with it and talk about it and I'm just like this is really cool this is definitely something that's now added to our tool kit for our technicians I don't even playing with it for a couple days now but I'm pretty excited about it but first we're gonna go crazy here and do something out of Rowan does we're gonna read the manual okay we're not going to read the whole manual we're gonna cover a couple topics in here those I wanted to show off how this system works and talk about the P OE standards a test and I'm not going to cover everything in detail does take a 9-volt battery you know cover the physical parts of it and what comes with it in a second here but in the manual they got you know well-documented shows some of the accessories you can get which are cool it does come with the dual port remote units and then you can get more of them etc etc but the p OE testing is what's really neat so it does some of the other testing which will cover for cable length and shortened pins and that's less exciting but the p OE doesn't just test a p week first when we plug in pu e it's going to be able to test the p OE it's gonna be able test to ethernet speed then this is where things get cool it identifies the different types of PE AFA t bt maximum wattage the pass or fail we'll get to that in a second the pins that are carrying it and the class of p OE and number of pair supplying p OE voltage method of operation the p-wave pro operates by detecting pulses from p OE power source equipment these as advertised the PSC class which determine the amount of maximum power it can supply so if you're not familiar with active POA or how a system works like the one behind me here that were going to be showing with this unified POS switch that it allows for different classes to be identified and maybe you don't have it in your head right away cuz I know I don't always but there are several different types of huy in different classes of POS determining on a voltage so when this does the PIO e testing it's not just testing for whether or not the wattage comes out it identifies the class and passes or fails whether or not it provides voltage as the class that identified so that's actually really nice that way it isn't just hey we got voltage on here know if you have a class of device it tells you whether or not the class that it identified itself as is putting out the voltage it supposed to and that's an important feature and I like the fact that it gives you a pass or fail based on that so it's not like just just power coming out of it it says I'm a class this and this is the wattage that class should provide so it passes or fails whether or not that wattage was provided we're gonna go show a couple tests on that now one other thing it does is an extended load test to activate the extended power test by holding a network button for three seconds until a beep is heard this feature will draw up to 90 watts of power and can be activated once appeal meet measurement has been made starting with the power detecting during the automatic PE test the pol will increment the power demand in approximately five watt steps until the PSE powers down or 90 watts is reach each power supply lead for half a second now what that's telling us is this will load test it and that's actually really a neat feature because there's voltage and then there's voltage under load and voltage into load is what happens when I plug something in it's not just providing some weak amount to go and hey here's your voltage you ask for it's what it looks like when you load it up based on the class based on that poll now I don't have a 90 watt POS system to do a test with but one of the things that said I can do is if you test 90 watts it will go all the way up to that high in here but it will eventually cause this to get warm don't worry it's got safety protection error so I tried testing on this 30 watt one we have here quite a few times and was unable to overload this but apparently it will get warm won't damage you at all just let you know that it's hit like a thermal limit and will blink on the screen letting you know wait for it to cool down and it will probably get slightly warm to the touch but doing 30 watts never even come close to that it ever even got warm at all I thought that was kind of cool it does have safety protection built in because when you're drawing well 90 watch that means you have to dissipate the 90 watts and that's gonna come in the form of heat now that we've played enough of the manual let's go through the physical layer show you what this comes with and get it unboxed and actually do some testing with it so as sent to us it did come in this cool little retail box which is nice it's it looks pretty and it comes with this handy dandy case with this being rubberized and boz so this is not sticker isn't gonna scratch off that's on there really well unzip it inside we find this those a 9 volt battery in here but we already put it in it is a Philips head to get that out so it's not gonna fall out on you very ruggedized rubber grippy it's not gonna fall out of my hand but it will if it gets used in the field eventually it will look worse than this like all of our tools and I'll leave a link to our tried and tested tools video that is and thing where we've gone over how rough we are sometimes on tools because not because we want to be but these are used out in the fields a lot and you want things that will survive but everything about it feels really tough tight it's like I say grippy shouldn't fall out of your hand but you know ladders things it does have different cables in here couple rj11 for phone couple rj45 two of these two of these and a pair of these the crimp ons and these are handy with the alligator clips because this does have a tone generator built into it so that's actually kind of nice if they have that in there so you can just alligator clip on to that and if you've done like old 66 block work and stuff like that it is handy having those alligator clips I still run into it occasionally now the device itself comes with one of these so this is the main one that comes with it and inserts into it snaps in it's actually pretty tight in there so this isn't gonna just fall out and get lost on you it is labeled with a number one they do sell accessory hits so you can get like to plot two three four five and do the different Network tests and it also covers rj45 rj11 and testing I guess this would be the coax tester yeah coax testing anyways we never do coax testing so that's not going to be covered today if you're into coax testing it does have that on there we just never see it anymore it's kind of kind of gone so turn the device on and actually I'm gonna start with this tiny little cable here so I'll grab this cable we'll grab the little end one two three four five six seven eight we know this cable past so tiny little cable it recognizes device one and a pass now this is something that I haven't seen I know there's a lot of cable testers out there that do this but this is novel that they have this included please note that the included shielded rj45 s and if you use a shielded rj45 one two three four five six and an s4 shield so it identifies the shielding on there which is definitely really cool so we have that now it also can do cable length so I'm gonna grab a and I put an end on this for convenience but obviously you can do it with the crimpers and just end on there but let's see how long this cable is it's actually into a box then it measures 583 I had to spin the box around over here according to the box and the label on this box there is 590 feet of cable on there so I'm not sure who's right Cory who wrote that on the box or this device here but you can take and adjust this there's an option in here if you have a known length of cable and you can adjust it based on that known length to get it fine tuned speaking of which these are 100 foot bundles as labeled that we had laying around there's some cheap generic cable that came with something I don't know what let's plug them into this real quick and we got 99.5 so if this generic unlabeled cable is a cure it and in and being 100 foot length that thinks it's 99.5 feet in length so I'm gonna say the cable length is fairly accurate now this tool for doing that also helps find brakes and shorts and things like that and the same thing happens it will tell you length to short it has that option as well let's jump out of that let's jump into the PIO e testing part of that that's actually what's gonna be much more interesting we're gonna plug into here I have this heavy gauge cat6 shielded high-quality cable properly crimped looking into port 8 right there alright and we're gonna watch it work it's magic 54 volts 29.9 watts the checkmark means based on the class which is class 4 it is providing the proper voltage so go ahead and hold the button in for the network for a few seconds so it's for a beep now we're going to load test that it's gonna walk through the wattage like it said in a manual 54 volt still 30.1 watts at 52 volts so now we know it's not only claiming to do it it's actually giving us the 52 at 30 point one so once again it's passing and it loaded up to the proper voltage but things can cause problems so I'm gonna go back to this cable that I have here that is really long 500 something let's measure that again I think it was five hundred and eighty something feet which is further than you're supposed to run p OE so I'll plug this in real quick 584 and we're gonna plug in this cable to the P OE and grab the other end of it so let's plug din there alright so I have my monoprice cable this is that when we just test it that's like five hundred and eighty odd feet of cable more than you're supposed to be running these for but let's see how it works and let's POA load test after going through us capable in case you don't know what no pole means that kind of means the Box fell and kind of got tangled inside so let's do a test fifty-three volts so we lost a volt going 500 feet and we lost the little wattage so now it's 43 is going through the test right now 28.4 watts 43 volts alright so now that it's under load we know what's happening so we're only able to get a maximum of 43 volts at the end of this cable and 28 watts and now this is why testing under load is important now this is the max load this is not what the unify device I don't plug into the end here and test works with I'll grab this right here this is just your standard unify access point if I HD and we can see it working now one of the things I want to point out when you're using a just a standard HD this thing doesn't go much over I think it's like 10 12 watts so this cable despite being too long despite being exceeding some of the lengths we talked about this in the video that me and Dan did that some cables can go a little over length but you'll see that it works it's hard to see in this lady but you can see it's lighting up yep it's lighting up and adopted worked fine even with that but this is that important part cuz someone asked if this does inline testing it does not but it does full load testing so if this passes at a full load at a certain cable length it's it's certainly passed with a device that doesn't require is much load in theory but this is another you know tool to keep in there for some of the troubleshooting now the next questions can come up is what about these little guys and that's actually why I have these out so we're gonna go and shuffle around and plug these in because what is the voltage loss of putting this in there all right now we're gonna test these tiny little 32 gauge cables that are not actually certified 28 gauges as high as you want to go refer back to long discussion me and Dan had about cabling standards I'll link that video below as I said and here's a standard duty cat 5e cable so we're going to test that one first let's see what kind of wattage and voltage we get out of this 54 volts as expected 29.9 watts 51 volt sorry so there's slight variation within tolerance Gothel check mark definitely past what happens I'm gonna drop that and we're gonna switch to the 32 gauge cable and granted we're only dealing with 30 watts here so it's not dangerous this can handle the 30 Watts 50 for 30 watts 51 volts 30 Watts odd least just ever so slightly better 29 to 30 so this is actually kind of confusing now the point I'm kind of making is one this cable can handle it all so we're probably talking more about using these cables as patch cables than something this long but even this long what's happening is and I wanted to bring this up this is not thin enough to really cause at the wattage we're talking about any major issues apparently I'm not an electrical engineer by trade but just letting you know that these cables do seem to work as a POA patch this has no problem putting them under load and they didn't melt in my hand at 30 watts they don't even feel warm in any measure but when you're talking about the last few inches of the cable in here you're only having a loss or any loss at all on this last small piece of cable obviously we ran these cables at length and we had a really really long one well you would get some different results because over time it's going to or over distance I should say in that time but over distance you're going to have more of a problem versus one inch right here it's like I said getting the full twenty nine point nine 51 volts no problems there these weaseled of various variants each time I test it so you would probably run in the wall or wherever it's running a really long let's see this is a hundred foot cable as measured and we plug this in here and it will plug well why not patch it twice so we're coming out at thin wire going into standard some cheap wired but it works it will provide the voltage and then going out of here we get fifty three volts twenty nine point six watts forty three volts because of the distance twenty nine point six watts but if we change this out we put this cable back in they have your gauge cable to the heavier gauge cable to the heavier gauge cable all the way across let's see what it does when it runs a test now 53 is doing the test twenty eight point seven forty three so this last little distance the patching distance and obviously there's to the wall patches well doesn't make a massive difference so using these things cables does not seem to be problematic I wish I had a 90 watt device to test these on to you know see whether limits are but I imagine once you get up to the higher wattage okay maybe that's a consideration but for running something that's lower wattage like an access point it doesn't really seem to be much of a problem but it's not that much you know savings just even go these are 32 gauge to go with like I had mentioned the 28 gauge which are also much thinner than this and you look really nice and have better ratings for candling power if you're future thinking going well yeah we got 30 watts today but you know we plan to step it up with a higher end PTZ camera that's going to need fold 90 watts for all the night-vision everything on there now well I think I'll cover this it does have like I said a tone generator in it it does have a couple options for finding split pairs it also has options for doing the tone on different pins which I thought was kind of novel that it could do that let me walk you through it real quick one of the other things and like it says it's all in the manual you can specifically test things on different pins like this versus all the pins you can do what they call split testing that turns on split testing turns it on and off so it has that go back over and put this on put on all of them an effort on generating this is something else I thought was just kind of neat the fact that the tone generator will put a toner and listener in there here we got a couple different options on it and then you walk through so this is on all pins and this is only on certain pins and I'm not moving a tone generator we're not moving at home probe by moving it to different pins I thought that was just kind of a neat feature being able to pick which pins the tones come out on and the turn off tone mode just hold the button and it does a series of long presses we've just definitely had a lot of fun testing it I will show as a final test it will do apoE device that's not active like this so we have just a passive brick and we're gonna plug it in there and show what it does with a passive brick and it understands the voltage on here it understands the wattage on here but that's it it's not going to tell you much else about it because it can't because these are not active so it's not identifying different options but it does at least tell you what the brick is working so if you have situations where using a p OE brick that is definitely something it can still test overall I do like this tester the it works really well we do have a couple of these thin cables and let's do one more thin cable test while I'm talking here but it it works great I had no problems with all the playing we've been doing with it for the last few days putting it to the test we've you know taking it we took it out in one jobsite and tested each of the cables it will work with these these are 20 foot thin cables and we're gonna peely this one in show you what happens but ah no problem working with these two and we're going to do the POV load tests on the thin cable and once again same result but it works it works with all these like I said it's kind of fun to play with this and understand that same wattage is coming out Oh someone asked me if these will carry wattage I guess I have one here so I could show you real quick yes these thin ones have these other flat ones not these are the flat cables I guess you're thin too but same results comes up test 53 their same wattage coming out of them so yes you can take flat cables and run 30 watts to Rome as well I do like these flat cables so they're pretty they're pretty cool and this is a 30 foot or 20 this is an odd length cable I don't I think it's actually might be a 25-footer but it measures at 27 I haven't measured it to see how accurate that is it is but I'm pretty amazed that it can measure a flat cable because it doesn't have the same twists in it obviously they cross over each other in a different way because they're laid out flat so anyways um they this is a new device I have not seen it you can buy it directly from ideal I've seen out of like Amazon or any theater places but imagine a few suppliers the big suppliers have it so I don't have any special offer or link from it this unit was sent to us for review and he said we can keep it which is exciting why it's gonna go in there so I'm excited about that that I get to keep it that's I don't always get to keep everything we review sometimes stuff has get sent back but this one's definitely added to our toolkit and when we want to test POS so I'll probably be buying more of these in the future but great 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Channel: Lawrence Systems

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Keywords: IDEAL Networks Poe Pro Tester, ideal, tester, poe, ideal networks, poe tester, poe voltage tester, power over ethernet, cable tester, poe test, poe voltage, poe detector, cable testing, network cable tester, rj45, network tester

Id: AAOTwqXOn64

Length: 21min 55sec (1315 seconds)

Published: Sat Jun 15 2019