HW News - LTT vs. GN Warranty Beliefs, Intel A750 GPU Benchmarks, i9-13900 Delid

[Music] hey everyone welcome back to the harbor news recap of the week and this one we'll be talking about warranties and our thoughts on them we'll also be going over spoiler alert they're good for consumers we'll also be going over the Intel a750 benchmarks where the company has benchmarks it's a750 GPU which isn't out yet that's this is the A380 and it tested it in 48 games against nvidia's RTX 3060 they are first party benchmarks but it's still a lot of them so we have some numbers to talk about there uh two companies getting feisty now although Nvidia is in a pretty comfortable lead at the moment by um well I guess Intel's shipped three of these so nvidia's got quite a few million units ahead in terms of market share but it'll be an interesting fight nonetheless we'll also be going over the x670e motherboard announcements from the last week from amd's event not leaks not rumors actual news there's a lot of it this week and a few other things let's get started before that this 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have to support the backpack in the event of death of the CEO of LTT which doesn't make really much sense at all but it was a live show remark that's what Linus does we can kind of get it from that perspective going off the cuff you say some weird things sometimes and that was one of them later tweets though got really bizarre because in a sort of wave of defensiveness they stated things like written warranties that are formalized and legally offered uh offered no additional value over just saying we'll take care of it which we just fundamentally disagree with and very strongly here at GN the problem here is not that there isn't a warranty or that they don't want to offer a warranty it's about the communication of it and being clear with the audience as to what's covered when making these great claims so products can exist without warranties warranties aren't magic you are covered by standard return policies that'll cover things like it arrives and it's missing stuff it arrives and it's got holes in it whatever and then you are also covered by reasonable merchantability however the part that we think is important is when you start making these great claims and saying we'll take care of it that becomes an implicit warranty that is incredibly vague and nebulous it's not clear what that means to anybody or for how long it will be taken care of so as soon as you start making those statements we think you have to back it up with clear writing just to get everyone on the same page hey this is what we will take care of and here's for how long so there's no questions about it so just as a self example our shirts don't have a warranty or an extended warranty however they fall under a very clearly stated return policy or if it shows up and it's got a hole in it or a problem with it then it will be taken care of by that written policy where you can just let us know and send it back and that's sort of the end of it it's very clear so saying we'll take care of it for a 250 Market as premium product has the potential to accidentally or intentionally buy any company become misleading where it would be better to just simply say look we're not really sure what the implications of selling this backpack are are yet we're new to this we don't 100 know what we're doing yet so we can't offer a huge warranty and we'll work towards something as we learn more about this what it comes down to is when everyone's direct with each other and clear but in a polite way then it's kind of hard to be upset as the customer or as the manufacturer just because you you're all on the same page so this is one of the things where the reasoning we can't we can't really shy away from it despite being friendly with Linus for many years at this point uh you know and Linus himself was recently asked on the land show about whether he would be a quote squeezing Steve out of the technical testing space because of the LTT lab stuff that they're doing um you know since we've been testing for our entire careers here and they're coming in with a lot more money than us uh in a way that's that's good for the industry it's fun competition so here's what Linus had his response was the right response by the way here's what he had to say about that question any plans to collab more often with the new equipment I think that some friendly competition in the space would also be great great I think that we have the potential to push each other to be better so consider this just some friendly competition we're both big boys now we can both take a few Folks at each other and push each other along to be better for the industry so I agree with his comments and uh in the same way that they are pushing our technical testing we are going to be pushing their store efforts and we're going to be doing that with our warranties today so we already had a warranty on our mod mats and we've had that warranty since day one when we launched them in 2017 but now we are upping that warranty on our mod mats all of them to seven years retroactively and the reason we chose this number is because it covers everybody who has ever bought a mod map from us uh no one's being left out here and we also chose it because a few months ago we introduced a seven year retroactive warranty for our toolkits as well so it lines up nicely with that you can head over to store.gamersaccess.net to back order the next run of mod mats which will be in very soon soon we always sell through each run of mod mats extremely fast so if you want a high quality PC Building work service that's verified as anti-static then go grab hours on the store it protects your table and your components from damage as you build PCS and it has helpful wiring diagrams like ethernet RJ45 wiring pcie and DPS 12 volt wiring and more and it has a grid for screw tracking disassembly of products that we use all the time so let me tell you just how competitive we're being with this warranty in addition to the usual coverage of manufacturing defects material or workmanship issues things that are on the manufacturing side not on the user side we also are offering some coverage of accidental damage depends on what part of the product it is but we do have coverage for example of the studs and the snaps so that would be this piece down here there's two of them on this particular mod mat or the Common Ground point which has another one in set into it where accidental damage that affects the functionality of it will be covered so for example if you drop a rock on the stutter the snap like down here in the corner and you bend it to a point where it no longer functions and can connect with the Common Ground Point even though that's your fault you can email us and ask for one we will ship you a replacement part you can screw it in and you'll be good to go the same applies for the wrist strap for the anti-static wrist strap that is for the cable connecting to the wrist strap and for the Common Ground point so if it's damaged that you caused accidentally and it affects the functionality of it just tell us no big deal we'll send it to yeah if you intentionally cut it open we're not going to replace it for you and we will require photos because you can see how this policy can be abused very easily if someone wants to get two of a thing so we'll need a photo showing the damage but it's really not a big deal if you accidentally hurt something for like a common ground point a wrist strap a snap we'll get it out to you now the mod mat is only covered for workmanship manufacturing defects material defects things that are our fault we don't cover it for any cosmetic damage at all because that's the point of the product we don't cover it for you know if you're screwing something in you slip you jab the mat and you take a chunk out of it that's not covered either that's accidental damage that's really part of what the product sold for just check out the store page if you want to learn about it and that details what it is more explicitly you all have supported us for years with it and we're in a position where we're able to support it and that's what the margin's for the margin isn't all there to just keep it all some of it's there to support people when they need it so so for us it's not just about saying we'll take care of it but saying we'll take care of it and also here's formally in writing what specifically we'll take care of so it just keeps everyone accountable it keeps the manufacturers that's us here accountable for things that we should be doing right like making sure the product works within the spec making sure that the grounding strap and the Common Ground Point stay intact for those seven years stuff like that and it also keeps customer accountable where you're saying look we're not going to cover it for cosmetic damage that was caused because you were using the product as it was designed so everyone's very clear on how it works when it's in writing and that's why we like it so the amount of backlash towards the 250 dollar unwarranted backpack created a lot of pressure and led to some defensive statements by Linus on Twitter I've definitely been there it is hard to be in that position where you have thousands of people yelling at you I get it but it doesn't change the fact that we just strongly disagree with the entire stance on it and the sentiment towards it and realistically I think the reason this happened is because LTT is investing a lot right now where they're trying to compete with us on their lab they're spending a ton of money to compete with a much smaller outfit that's been doing it a long time and we have over a decade um sort of Head Start in the field that they're going to have to gain in short order also though they're spending a lot of money on real estate they're spending a lot of money on staff they're spending a lot of money on all these products there's a lot of Endeavors going on there's probably some Financial pressure that caused that sort of um quick reaction in the live stream and you know we've got a team of five people with one location and we're very focused on the things we're doing so I think that's the difference and um you know for the individual ultimately just like we say with Nvidia it doesn't really matter what the company's reasoning is for charging x amount or for not offering y support what matters is sort of what the customer is expecting there and if you're making certain statements then you have to back it up with something in writing too it's hard to go from YouTube to an entirely different industry we had to go through it as well and getting those processes in place takes experience that right now at least 13 doesn't yet have they're working on it and you know we're still gaining experience too the difference I guess is for us a good friend of mine I've known for forever runs the warehouse that handles our distribution it's a different company but they they do the distribution for us and he also manages a lot of the factory relations for us and he's been doing this for 17 years now just as long as I've been doing technical work um so we I love working with our uh our manufacturing distribution partner and we get a lot of good stuff done together so I think that's the real difference anyway enough of that if you want to check out our warranty you can go to the store we have it all listed on the website there's the toolkit one and the mod mat one we list what we cover for the mod mat we cover a whole lot of stuff um go to store.gamersaccess.net if you want to help us out directly and I'll say this before we close out here too it's just you know hey you said you want a friendly competition so let's give the people what they want so that's all this is let's go to the next story all right first news item from the industry this week Intel and it's a750 benchmarks versus the RTX 3060. so as we said in the intro it's about 48 games or so they tested in total 42 of those were DirectX 12 and the remaining six were Vulcan uh Intel did not provide any benchmarks at least well not in the immediate coverage that they posted that we saw for DirectX 11 we've provided plenty of contacts for dx11 tests and some of our benchmarks for the A380 and as Intel admitted to firsthand and as we saw in testing from a third party it's weak in older apis so they do better in dx12 and Vulcan than they do in dx11 dx9 stuff like that uh so if you want to play the next Skyrim remake you might pedalog for Intel so anyway for Intel's benchmarks the company used a controlled and fully disclosed test bench for both the Nvidia and Intel GPU benches it had a 12 900k a z690 hero for each system and the Nvidia system used an EVGA RTX 3060xc gaming while Intel's it used its self-branded engineering sample a750 games were tested at Ultra at 1080P and high at 1440p unfortunately though the change of settings here makes it difficult to do like for like resolution scaling comparisons just for reference there too we did those comparisons in our A380 review and it was pretty interesting the results that came out of the test where Intel seemed to start to do better or establish more of a gap between its off and say AMD for example as the resolution increased now because the A380 is so low end didn't really matter so much in realizing that gain in a realistic or a practical way but it was interesting from an academic research way where maybe the a750 can benefit more from that uh that we think it's a Memory subsystem benefit that Intel has maybe the 750 can benefit more than say an A380 anyway looking at the raw FPS numbers or one-off differences here Intel is showing anywhere from up to about a 33 lead in Warzone at 1080P and 53 at 1440p there with the opposite being true also when Nvidia leads Nvidia has plenty of gains of its own that are in the 20 to 30 percent range it just really varies heavily from game to game so we would average the percentage uplift and just tell you what percent on average is Intel or Nvidia better than the other but this is such a wide range of numbers if we just highlight few of these bigger differences that do a disservice to the real story which is that these two sets of numbers are all over the place and it makes it difficult to point to one as a definitive winner in just FPS numbers now unfortunately that works against Intel here a lot because whenever it's kind of a wishy-washy or a hand wavy balance of results or that you look at it you're like they kind of lose here and they win here whatever that's the situation the company that has the best external factors like driver support is going to be the one that wins or price as another example so in this position uh Intel obviously is fighting a losing war with software and drivers where Nvidia for it's faults that it has does actually have an extremely robust driver package for Windows especially and Intel can't fight there right now so Intel's trying to stack the ace 750 versus the 3060 the 3060 for perspective a reminder had a launch SRP of 330 dollars so the a750 is aimed to be positioned against that for whatever that's worth we don't know the price of the a750 yet uh Intel will have to be lower than it though to make sense because Intel can't years ago speaking with Nvidia uh AMD had a competing card coming out I don't know which one it was and our question 10 video was how do you plan to compete it was Vega with the Vega 56 pricing and the Nvidia Representatives answer was we don't compete on price Steve we compete on quality and for that particular launch if you remember the Crimson era pre-crimson days especially they had a point so Intel here it has to compete on price which is fine someone has to do it and it's not going to be quality today maybe in the future x670e motherboard shown during the AMD event recently so AMD had a meet the experts event and there were several am5 boards shown for the upcoming Zen 4 CPU launch that's gonna be rising 7000 within the next month or so based on the rumors that are out there right now and in this event Asus showed off boards MSI gigabyte and biostar who's just happy to be there Asus showed its Rog Crosshair x670e extreme and that's extreme with an E not extreme not with an E which would be gigabytes extreme and x670e is also extreme so it's the Crosshair x670 extreme extreme with an knee in both extremes and hero was the the sub brand for that so uh they use 110 amp power stages in this board it features a two and a half gigabit per second Lan uh it's got toolless m.2 mounting 12 various USB ports and a push button release for the top pcie slot which we saw emerge with the Alder Lake boards previously the extreme extreme on top of the two and a half gig per second land and the hero also has a 10 gigabit per second Lan port and asus's vertical mounting daughter card for m.2 ssds next up ASRock gave a quick overview of the x670e Tai Chi Carrera with its marble aesthetic as well as the regular Tai Chi and it also showed the steel Legend the pro RS and Phantom gaming lightning boards the PG lightning had not been seen before this and appears to be the lowest end of the x670e options from ASRock and the newest one revealed after that gigabyte covered the x670e auris extreme team that's with an X not with an e at the front but the two e is otherwise an extreme so it's the x70 extreme with an e or S extreme knot with an e but the other two e's and it had the master motherboards as well as the x670 non-xtreme this is getting ridiculous I can't do this we're gonna try it again as well as the x670 non-xtreme auris pro ax and Elite ax we don't know if the X and ax stands for extreme without an e or not the flagship auris extreme knot with an E features an 18 plus two plus two phase vrm design toolless m.2 Mount 10 gigabit per second Lan and Wi-Fi 6E and so far what we're seeing is a lot of i o so a 10 Giga per second becoming more prevalent on motherboards natively is at least on high on boards it's pretty good because uh even though the internet providers aren't really there yet for the most part like 99.9 percent of cases internal networking obviously at 10 gigabits anyone who works with a Nas uh whether you built it yourself or you bought a 10 gigabit option off the shelf that's where you can start making use of it and most um most new construction or updated construction now is moving to 10 gigabit internal wiring so that's where that comes in handy if you were just wondering because internet kind of typically caps out at one gigabit per second where it's where it's good at least in the US MSI took over after all this with traditional extremely weird MSI things the company announced it's one board to rule them all showing off how up with the times it is on its references maybe they'll play we're taking the Hobbits to isenguard guard guard on the chipset cover or something this is the MSI x670e Godlike it's an Meg board which as a reminder stands for MSI Enthusiast gaming so it's the MSI or microstar International MSI Enthusiast gaming x670 extreme Godlike please stop it motherboard manufacturers with the self-contained acronyms and the repetition titles this is so beyond ridiculous uh it's not it's not hard to keep up it's just stupid but at least Thomas I have been doing this for a little while with their naming so that's not not unexpected uh the Godlike has many features it includes 24 plus two phases for the vrm so a very large voltage regulator module it has a toolless m.2 system and it has what MSI calls a wavy fin heat sink that's the kind you want wavy everyone knows that MSI also showed the Meg x670e Ace version and the mpg which is MSI MSI performance gaming x670e carbon Wi-Fi in a somewhat unfortunate mix-up MSI also released a video on YouTube showing its new ace motherboard that includes an animation of an Intel LGA 1700 IHS Landing in the board's am5 socket everything went well up until that though but maybe we just don't get it maybe that's part of the quote Pinnacle of all the motherboard capabilities and finally biostar again just happy to have been invited biostar showed one motherboard it was the x670e valkyrie the board is mostly understated doesn't have a ton of RGB But it includes two and a half gigabits per second Lan and a 22 phase vrm design and going with a darker board has been something that's come back into into Trends lately with x670 or Xbox 570 dark and z690 dark stuff from EVGA Asus has done it as well and uh certainly we we're all for it I mean cutting down on some cost for LEDs but putting that money into things that matter more is a better move than cutting all the stuff that matters and adding LEDs on the low end so uh biostar I don't know we might check it out we might not last biostar board we looked at was a ddr4 DDR3 split board for an older Intel CPU up next Nvidia was off Target for its revenue for the upcoming quarterly reports where they have an earnings call coming up on August 24th nvidia's total revenue was down overall and it landed at 6.7 billion dollars which missed its Outlook of 8.1 billion for the quarter 6.7 billion is down 19 quarter over quarter and a top three percent year over year and video places blame primarily on its gaming segment which posted a revenue of 2.04 billion dollars this is down 44 quarter over quarter and down 33 percent year over year these weaker sales are due to what the company dubs quote macro economic headwinds now really important Point here is that uh even if Nvidia is trying to differentiate between Mining and Gaming revenue and some of its reporting it's still ultimately very very difficult to actually understand which cards that were being sold through Partners like retailers were going to minors versus we're going to Gamers and so that's just even if they're doing their best to to properly report it this time um there was a loss that you can read about it uh the the issue is still that it's it's like impossible to differentiate them so um tough to know how much that decrease in Gaming revenue is actual versus just people who are buying gaming cards for other stuff nvidia's Partners in turn have been experiencing poorer sales of its products and to combat this Nvidia says it is starting to work with board Partners on price CEO Jensen Juan from Nvidia is quoted saying as we expect the macro economic conditions affecting cell through to continue we took actions with our gaming Partners to adjust Channel prices and inventory if you saw in our coverage earlier this week EVGA and Asus recently have had some pretty major playoffs and a lot of that is a result of these GPU sales right now so these actions have included aggressive price Cuts you've seen them at this point as a reference evga's 3090 TI ftw3 and the 39 DTI ftw3 Ultra have recently had one thousand dollar price Cuts so that's certainly causing some damage to the partners here and despite the drop in gaming segment Revenue nvidia's data center Revenue was 3.81 billion dollars so it's up one percent quarter of recorder and 61 year over year shows how much it hurts to just do sort of one thing with one major partner in the industry even though this is a record level of data center revenue for NVIDIA it still falls short of the company's expectations Nvidia sites supply chain issues for this shortcoming despite missing its Target for the quarter Nvidia does not currently have a plan to have any layoffs Juan said via an internal memo quote so what does this mean for us do we have a layoff no instead we have given raises to take care of your families as all of you are facing Sky High inflation Juan also went on to explain that the company will take this opportunity to eliminate waste and become more efficient in its work so in this case it's not necessarily at least you know at face value nvidia's employees who will be taking a hit here but rather the partners and their employees and of course it all comes down to how the companies were trying to well at least EVGA and Asus and Corsair were trying to scale as if the demand for everything in the industry was going to be at this High infinitely which is just either as last time either irresponsible um where you know you're just going to maximize on it then you just get rid of everyone you can later on when it dips or it's incompetent for obvious reasons because it never continues like that so uh that's an instrument video moving on ryzen 7000 specs and pricing rumors this one's pretty simple this is a wccf tech I think exclusive from what we understand there's four rumored CPUs we've seen these particular CPUs rumored in the past not a big surprise 7950x 7700x 7600x and the 7900x if I didn't already say that one uh for pricing the rumor suggests that 7950x will be 800 or higher it suggests that the 7900x that's a 12 core will be 600 or higher so that replaces the 5900x and it suggests that these 7600x will be 230 or higher replacing the 5600x now typically we'd assume that the 70 600x would be closer to three hundred dollars just because that'd be more in line with the previous launch but that's not what this rumor says and and 200 is closer to what that 600 series used to be anyway a few Generations ago the 7700x is allegedly priced at this 300 slot instead and beyond that the core account expectations are predictable the cash scales up and the Boost goes as high as 5.7 gigahertz for some of these if we had to pick anything to doubt here in the rumors the 5.7 gigahertz boost clock number is definitely doubt worthy um boost clock numbers and rumors for anti-products in the past have been wildly inaccurate at times so we're not really sure how how realistic that number is AMD previously boasted a 5.5 gigahertz boost in its official information that it showed on early design revisions of Verizon 7000 CPUs it seems unlikely that they wouldn't show the best if they didn't if if they could and in this case 5.7 would be better than 5.5 so either there's been design iteration and improvement over the last few months certainly possible or the rumors inaccurate um either way it's it's somewhere 5.5 is is confirmed from AMD so we know that much wccf tax article does manage to stir the pot a little bit here it claims that AMD will disallow raising the CPU voltage for overclocking and it will only allegedly allow undervolting now we aren't so sure about this one either uh this is actually indirect conflict with any of these previous statements where amsy's own slides officially have stated support for extreme and Enthusiast overclock and that's sort of the whole reason for x670e which will also support two gpus properly by 16. so at least with regard to the overvolting not being allowed that seems inaccurate maybe for some CPUs and not others but we've already seen under Allen 2 in High cookies lab so probably over voltage is allowed at least on some boards or some CPUs all right next one RTX 4080 and 4070 power leaks are you ready it's another number and it's different this week than it was the last three months we've been talking about this uh so previous rumors have painted the 40 series Power draw all over the place the most recent number that we talked about was the 800 watt one we said in our reporting that that's probably a test board or something else it's not really going to be a gaming card that's ridiculous so uh this time the and for the gaming stuff we've seen as high as 450 Watts more recently so this time they're tweet is from copy7 Kimi who says the total Graphics power will be 320 Watts on the 4080 and 285 Watts on the 4070. it's a lot lower it's much more normal uh this is down from the previous room we're claiming 420 watts and 300 watts and then there was one before that it was like 450 or 45 or something like that and of course the 800 watt number um for obviously something else entirely so maybe next week it'll be up to a million Watts for the 4080 we're not sure yet uh we're just going to stop reporting on the power leaks and rumors because they're getting silly and this is probably the least consistent set of leaks and rumors we've seen in a very long time so we'll talk about it again in one of two situations either we get the cards we can test it or we have first hand information um so that's that's that's it for that storyline up next the Intel I9 3900 was deleted recently the Billy Billy Channel XP review has posted a fun video showing a d lid of what is reported to be in i-93900 non-k CPU and in this they show a razor being used around the edge underneath the IHS to cut the silicone adhesive they then left the razor underneath the IHS to provide pressure while using a heat gun on top of the IHS to liquefy the solder holding the CPU to the IHS though the IHS successfully came off there was one oh moment XP review actually knocked off one of the smds probably cut it off uh we've done this in the past with gpus and CPUs alike and for the most part they still work perfectly fine afterwards although that wasn't implied in this video it could have been a bios thing though normally if you just lose an mlcc cap or something you lose some filtering efficiency but you're otherwise still salvageable on the product at the end of the video they provide a side-by-side comparison of the 3900 next to some mock-ups of other CPUs that have been out recently like the 1100 and the 12900k and here we see the physically larger die of raptor Lake next to the older dies and the raptorlink One XP review measured at they say 22.8 by 10.8 millimeters obnoxious AMD has finally released its line of threader Pro 5000 CPUs codename Chagall pro has individual components for the DIY Market this generation's third order for launch has been strange it started with availability through Lenovo and March of this year and then Dell followed that and the new ish lineup features CPUs ranging from the 6500.59 90 5wx that has 64 cores and 256 megabytes of L3 cache down to the currently not priced 5945 WX with 12 cores and 64 megabytes of L3 cache features shared between all five of the thread of her Pro 5000 CPUs include a 280 watt TDP a 4.5 gigahertz boost clock and 128 Lanes of pcie Gen 4 connectivity aside from price of course the thing that really separates these from the 16 core ryzen CPUs is Lane count it's been true ever since AMD knocked the lane count down on its highest end desktop CPUs and now you have to go to threader for for that so that's where that really stands apart and it just makes it a workstation CPU not really as meant for enthusiasts as some of the earlier threat of reports although certainly you could buy it it's just you'll get the most use if you're a developer a 3D artist the home lab maybe you're using Adobe Premiere or something that's it for news this week thanks for watching as always go to store.gamersaccess.net if you want to support us directly by grabbing been a mod mat where you'll be getting a seven 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Published: Fri Aug 12 2022