- Every time there's something juicy on the Internet, people love to jump
to conclusions about what they think
the truth is and honestly, I'm sick of it. So today
I brought in an expert, a human lie detector that's
going to help me break down some of these videos
we've been seeing online. Please welcome Annie Sarnblad. In person too.
We love this. - Thank you.
- This is so exciting. - I'm excited too.
- Do you wanna touch fingers? - Oh, thank God.
- [sings high note] - That's amazing.
- This is incredible. ♪ So I called you
a human lie detector. - Yep. - What do you call yourself?
What do you do? - I call myself
a microexpression specialist, but I do often call myself
a human lie detector. - Okay, what
is a microexpression? Is that just like
a twitch on a face? Like, what's the deal?
- So that's the thing. So we all have universal facial
expressions that we all make. Even if we're born blind,
as humans, they're as natural
to our species as erections. - Wait, hold on, wait, wait.
I have so many questions. So you're saying regardless
of where someone's born in the world...
- Right, exactly. - We have universal ones?
- Universal facial-- it's our original language
as a human species. - Okay wait,
so what you're saying then-- this is scientific.
- This is scientific. I actually work for the
Museum of Science in Boston. Yeah, I do. - Okay, because,
you know, on the Internet, a bunch of skeptics are going
to say this is just opinion. It's not opinion.
- No, in fact, all of our emotions have physical responses
in our bodies and on our faces. And that's why I'm joking
about the erections, right? But you get--
a man gets an erection when he feels arousal, right? Not when he's feeling sad. And if he does,
then he needs to go see somebody else--
that's above my pay grade. [laughter] - How long have you been
reading microexpressions? - So I had a difficult
family life when I was little, and kids up until
about the age of two can do this naturally. If you're holding a baby, you'll notice
that they start looking-- they read your entire face, and we train
our children out of it. We say,
look me in the eyes, look me in the eyes
when you're talking to me. So in my family,
there were some abuse, there was some alcoholism. I wasn't trained out of it,
because it became an issue of emotional and physical
survival for me. So I have an aunt
who is a psychotherapist, and she talked about
facial expressions when I was little and it became
this full-on obsession for me. - I'm so excited. Okay, of course,
we have to analyze the recent Oprah interview...
- Yep. - With Meghan Markle
and Prince Harry. A lot of people have had
opinions about this about... - A lot of opinions, yeah.
- What they think is true. So I want to ask you,
the expert, I specifically want
to ask you-- our first clip is about
Meghan denying that she did any research
about the royal family or Prince Harry.
Let's take a look. - But you were certainly aware
of the royals. - Of course.
- And if you're going to-- - So, she just
showed resignation. Hold on.
- Already? - There it is.
Okay? So it's resignation.
She's double dimpling. She's doing this. - [stammering]
What is that? - That means like, "Really? I have to do this again?" - Huh, okay.
So she's unhappy about this. - She's unhappy about this.
- Okay. - If you're going
to marry a royal, then you would do research
about what that would mean. - Oh, I didn't do any research. - Okay.
"I didn't do any research." Right. So I--whenever I work
on lie detection, I look that the gestures
and the body language matches the words, right?
- Mm-hmm. - And we look at the same thing
with the microexpressions. The microexpressions
have to match the word. When there's a disconnect,
like if somebody's saying, "I did not have sexual
relations with that woman," that's a problem, because in Western society,
in the US and Canada, in much of Western Europe,
this means yes. - Yeah.
- And this means no. So if you're saying,
"Do you have any cookies?" "I did not have a cookie."
- That's a disconnect. - Right.
- So what you're saying is, that she's telling the truth
here. - She's telling the truth. - She did not do research.
- She didn't. And her gestures are spot-on. - Mm-hmm.
- Her answers are quick. It takes us longer to lie. I mean, if we get
a difficult question, it makes sense to pause and think about how we're going
to answer that. And you saw that,
like, disgust, and irritated that they're
asking her these questions, because throughout really
the whole interview, she's truthful. - So we have in tandem
the conversation of, you won't be given security. He's not going
to be given a title. - So here she's pausing, but you see a lot
of the puckering of her chin. - Mm-hmm. - All right,
so think about it like, squeeze your butt, right?
- Yeah. - You know how your butt looks
when you squeeze it? - I do, I look in the mirror
all the time. - Right, it gets all puckered.
- Yeah. - Well, so that's the same
thing we do with our chin. - Huh. - So when we show
any kind of vulnerability... - It's also a precursor
to crying sometimes too, right? - That's exactly right. And that's why
we incorrectly think that a frown is this
and that we're pulling-- whenever somebody
draws the frown, it's like an upside down smile. That's not really true.
The lip corners don't move. But what happens
is when we pucker our chin, our middle lip, the middle part of our lip
moves up and that gives the illusion that the corners
are pulling down. - Got it. - So she does this throughout
the entire interview. She goes... - And what--
that just means-- - Distress.
- Distress. - She's traumatized. - And also concerns
and conversations about how dark his skin
might be when he's born. - Shock.
- Genuine shock? - Genuine shock, yeah. - Who is having
that conversation with you? - [gulps] - So she just--
she just swallowed. We only swallow when
we get really vulnerable. - So she's genuinely sad here. - She's traumatized, yeah.
Extremely sad. - I want you to look at a clip
of Prince Harry this time where he talks about
the current relationship status he has with his father.
- Oh, boy. - There's a lot
to work through there. You know, I... I feel really let down. - Okay, showing disgust.
Okay? The full facial expression
of disgust or something you don't like is this--
this facial expression. And it's again,
if somebody gives you food that you--
that you don't want, it actually shuts off
our sense of smell. So if you smell your coffee
in the morning and you make a full facial expression
of disgust, it protects us
from something toxic. - Really?
- Really. But the microexpression
is just this. - Subtle, very, very subtle.
- Very subtle, right? And people do it all the time,
and you have to look-- you have to look right
next to the nostrils and it's right here,
this line right there. He's deepening it. - Wow.
So he's disgusted. - He's disgusted.
- Wow! Okay, can we switch gears
for a second? - Mm-hmm.
- As I've been talking to you, what have you gathered
about me? Be honest.
Please be honest. - Okay, so when you walked in, you were a little nervous,
right? Because there's
new people in the room and you're not into the groove. - How did you know
I was nervous? - Well, your posture
was a little bit stiff. - Okay.
- And you were a little-- you raised your nasal--
your nasolabial furled, right? You wrinkled your nose
a little bit, right? - [laughs]
Now I can't stop it. - And now you've got it like--
exactly. Now you're starting
to cover and protect. And then as we got into
the interview and you started getting excited, you started
opening up your frame, you pulled up your leg,
which I am so--like, my knee keeps popping up
because we get each other, right,
and because we're aligned, we tend to mirror each
other's body language. So my knee keeps trying to,
like, mirror your body language and I can't, because then
you'll see up my dress. [laughter] So my knee keeps popping up
and then down again. So that's one of the things
you're gonna look for in dating is how quickly
does the other person mirror your body language, and can you get them
to mirror it? - You are incredible. Thank you so much
for coming on the show, Annie. And will you be our show's
truth teller? - Absolutely, yeah.
- Okay. Any time there's a controversy,
we're coming to you. - Anytime, and I want to hear
all about the dates. - Okay,
as soon as those happen... - [laughs]
- I will call you. - They're gonna happen, baby. - Are you a fortuneteller
as well? - No, I can just tell.
You're hot. - She doesn't lie, y'all!
She doesn't lie. What does
this body language say? [laughter]
That she's a freak! - That's,
"open for business, baby." [laughter]
